team3s              Sunday, May 14 2000              Volume 01 : Number 136




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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:01:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Crank Position Sensor HELP!

Bob,

Only 1991 and 1992 models have an adjustable CAS (up near the
throttle body). For 1993 models on, the CAS (under the timing
belt cover) is not adjustable.

Jeff Lucius
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
  --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/

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From: Bob_Rand <Bob_Rand@msn.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 11:54 AM
Subject: Team3S: Crank Position Sensor HELP!

Hey Gang,   I want to set my basic timing, but; for the life of
me I cannot see how to adjust the crank angle sensor.   I am
from to old,old school where you turned the distributor to
adjust timing.  The manual does not explain the proceedure to do
this job.  Would someone please give me the details.

Thanks,  Bob
93 Stealth TT


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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:36:11 EDT
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: two very simple quesitons

Thanks Matt, you're advice is greatly appreciated!



AA

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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:28:27 EDT
From: DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com
Subject: Team3S: apexi avc-r boost controller

What is the best way to get the wireing harness from the engine compartment
to the interior of the car? The connectors on the harness are to large.  alex

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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 20:29:26 -0500
From: "Craig Hodges" <ahodges@houston.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR 4 Gas mileage?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Pat Widder [mailto:widder@widder.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR 4 Gas mileage?

Hi Craig,

At 11:04 PM 5/16/2000 -0500, you wrote:

I traded in my '93 VR4 and purchased a '99 VR4 about 6 months ago. Although
I don't keep records, my gas mileage on the '99 is more consistent with
SNIP>>>>
Pat


Pat,
I like the 6 speed allot on the highway. 2500 RPM @ 80MPH is great.  I have
a small truck w/ a 5 speed so I am accustomed to shifting in traffic. The SL
is an automatic, I got it that way because of the rush hour driving I do and
I must say it is nice in that situation to have the auto.  With the VR4 its
not bad, but now that you've mentioned it I guess I do shift more often than
the truck. But, its not really noticeable.  On the gas mileage, yes I admit
I have been playing with the car quite a bit, I got it 10 days ago, so I am
trying to be good for a tank and see what happens. The SL is quick for sure
but I don't think any match for the VR4 off the line.  I have had the SL up
to 140MPH- once.. and still had some pedal left but I got worried about the
cops so no faster. If what I have read here from our buddies in Europe is
true, then I think that Mitsu may have the computer limit the speed to
around 150MPH. Guys correct me if I am wrong.

On the K&N, I had it on the SL and it made it bit louder, and maybe a bit
faster. But I reset the computer with the new filter and that is when I
noticed the difference. I don't know whether it was the filter or the
resetting of the computer that really made the difference.  On the VR4 I
can't say that I have been able to notice a difference yet, but I have been
trying to do my mileage check so I haven't been playing much lately.
Craig


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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 20:42:31 -0500
From: "Craig Hodges" <ahodges@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: How much $$ to ship a car

I just shipped a VR4 from Salem, Oregon to Houston, TX it was $975.00  I
used
  A AAAdvantage Auto Transport, Inc.
   8920 South Hardy
   Tempe, AZ 85284
   Fax: (810) 816-1991
My Sales Rep was Victoria Williams (800)233-4875 x142 .
They have a web site  http://www.carmoves.com/mainpage.asp  but most of the
features ie. tracking don't work, but other than the website not being too
great I was satisfied. They picked it up on a Sat. and delivered it to my
house the following Wed. They used a contractor who had single decker
trailer for 3 cars pulled by a dually pickup. Mine was the last one off. I
did call around for prices and they were all VERY close. These guys seemed
"bigger" than the others and they offered to give me references which I
called 2 and both were OK. That's my experience  :)


Craig


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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:25:52 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor Oil

Its probly my fault.

Redline advertises..and will test..to well into 25,000 mile useage and retain
the chemical and physical properties required by the specific service-rating the
oil is listed to meet.

Blah...blah...blah..

This is an important number and fact for service fleet vehicles, and your mental
milage may vary..im not sayin to should leave oil in for 25K miles...just that
they stand behind the product should you decide to use thier intervals..and you
should have no problems.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Lasher [mailto:s_lasher@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:02 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Motor Oil


Sorry guys, I really didn't mean to start world war three over what
motor oil eveyone uses.  I just had never heard a professional, unbiased
opinion of Amsoil.

As for them trying to "sham the public" into 50,000 mile oil changes,
I'm not sure where that came from.  I'm looking at their product
literature right now, and nowhere does it say that.  They do have a new
oil that they say will last for 7,500 miles though.  I remember that
Mobil 1 used to advertise their oil would last 25,000 miles, although
they don't push that anymore since the filtration issue became so
popular. Maybe Amsoil used to make a similar claim.  I don't know.

I'm not trying to push Amsoil, either.  Like I said, I use Mobil 1 or
Castrol Syntec on the street, and RedLine at the track.  I just wanted
some concrete information, or independant test results that showed how
Amsoil compared to the others.  Someone on the list said:
"You dont want to know how amsoil tested as -new- oil either."
Well, actually, I *do* want to know how it tested.  Please pass that
along.

- -Steve
'92 VR-4


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Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:26:55 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR 4 Gas mileage?

Mileage?

I think we can get at least a set of DOT rated tires out of a tank of gas if we
_had_ to.

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Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 04:54:02 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: NIRA drag classes, payouts

Enclosed is a letter sent to NIRA re:  the Drag Classes for AWD cars/OUR
cars.
I went to NIRA site; actually, the "Street Power 6" class sounds almost
ideal for
us, except for allowing slicks (which are not "street" but "RACE"
items).
It allows removing backseat interior up to front seats; must be full
frame; real GLASS;
allows lightweight HOOD, not all light bodywork; turbo/NOS ok; STOCK
driveline.
Most of us here with AWD cars would likely be happy/reasonably
competetive,
though Supras with slicks would beat us so far.  Still, we'd provide a
show and
not be totally out of the game.
Problem:  they pay out a max of $500 for event win while PRO classes pay
out between
$2000 and $5000--for tubeframed Hondas etc with little or no relation to
any REAL car,
that real people relate to.  No respect for REAL/non-full-race cars!
NASCAR/NHRA all over again.  Fine racing! but unrealistic for most of
us, IMHO.

I let the RACE car people like Brent Rau, Extreme/Sean Glazar, Dave
Buschur, even
Art Shevack argue the "Pro" class AWD argument, that is different class
than my stuff,
which will remain real Street/Roadcourse oriented.

Anyway, this is what I wrote:

RE:  DRAG CLASSES, PAYOUTS FOR "STREET" ARE TOO LOW!
DEAR NIRA:
I disagree with your classes in that you are totally supporting tube
framed,
lexan, unstreetable race cars with payouts of significance, while
alloting
RELATIVELY pitiful payouts (and therefore respect) to the Street
Classes.

I still have the "World's Quickest and Fastest 3000GT/Stealth", a full
bodied
car with power windows, heater, lights, wipers, run on roadcourse and
drags
and on street, 10.81 @ 128.44 in 6/1997 (I was in 1/97 Turbo Magazine
feature).
I plan to get the car out again and go somewhat quicker this year.
PROBLEM:  what class to run in.  It looks like the "Street Power 6" is
ideal, seems like a "real street" class (except for allowing slicks)
that
the average fan/mag reader can TRULY IDENTIFY with (unlike tubeframed
Frankenstein-Mobiles in the PRO classes)...but...it pays out between
one-fourth
and ONE-TENTH what the "Pro" classes do!

Super "STREET" magazine...etc...point is, FULL RACE cars are fine but
the average
fan can't relate as much.  HELP IMPORT RACING SUPPORT REAL CARS, don't
turn your NIRA FULLY into the mutated race-only NHRA pro classes.
IMPORT
people pride themselves on NOT JUST DRAGS but on HANDLING/STYLE/looking
cool on the
street, for REAL.  SUPPORT THAT!
GIVE STREET CLASSES SOME RESPECT...and SUPPORT...this is reflected in
PAYOUTS,
otherwise it is literally just worthless talk.

AGAIN, I am happy and impressed with the "Power 6" rules, it seems to be
a "real street"
class except for allowing slicks = NOT street.  Of course, if I am
reading things
wrong and this allows RWD turbo Buicks/American cars then
forget it.  Also, hope it does NOT allow cars like RX7's and
Supras to change rearend/suspension (ladder bar/4-link), use SLICKS.
AWD cars can compete UNTIL FULL SLICKS are allowed,
then (as proven well by NHRA and Supras now) RWD rules all.

Remember, AWD cars like Eclipse/Talons, 3000GT's, etc are
essentially UNABLE to change to a "stronger transmission/transfer case"
if they make alot of power--NOBODY MAKES ANY UPGRADE/ULTRA DUTY stuff
for
them.  They NEED a "REASONABLE" class like this, not one that allows
slicks/RWD/very altered suspension/any transmission.

Please, don't become an organization whose "street" classes end up
with rules that make almost every winning car a "67 Camaro"(=Supra),
like NHRA
has sometimes been.  I am very enthusiastic about NIRA, and am likely to
join
and participate--if the classes are logical and not skewed to FWD Honda
Tubeframes, and Supras everywhere.

Help Street, and specifically Power 6, have Competition, Payout and
VARIETY!...
not a parade of 50 Supras with slicks (yawn).

Thank you for your concern;
I hope the logic and truth of what I said hits home.
Please feell free to contact me!

Sincerely,
Jack Tertadian


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Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:16:37 -0400
From: "Heikki Pikkujamsa" <hpikkujamsa@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor Oil

I checked the magazine's website for the article but unfortunately it was
not available on line. I'll try to get a copy of the test and will translate
it. It was written in Finnish language. Amsoil and Redline were not included
in the test since these brands are not readily available in Scandinavia. The
test included synthetics at least from Mobil, Castrol, Shell, Exxon and
Valvoline.

Heikki
'92 RT TT

Steve Lasher wrote:

> I would be very much interested in the test - but only if you can
translate it without much problem.  What language is it > > originally in?
Is it available on-line at another web site?  Was Amsoil and/or RedLine
included in the test? Thanks in > > > Advance.
>
> -Steve
> '92 VR-4


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Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 12:05:10 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Proper oil for rear end and transfer case

No, use Shockproof in the Transfer Case only!
That doesn't communicate fluids to the Transaxle,
so transfer case fluid choice won't affect shifting.

For Transaxle, can use Redline MT90, BG Synchroshift, whatever.
For Rearend, use Redline 75w90, Mobil 1 gear oil, whatever.
JT

Geoff Mohler wrote:

> So what are you saing about the transfer case?
> Use shockproof..but it'll cause shifting problems?  That sounds like a
> problem waiting to happen.
>
>
> On Sun, 14 May 2000, xwing wrote:
> > Use Redline Shockproof Heavy Gear Oil for transfer case, for sure; it has the
> > best GEAR PROTECTION ability.  (It will NOT work as well with transmission
> > synchronizers because it is too slippery for synchro to work fully).
> > Rearend, use a synthetic 75w90 or so gear oil, like Mobil 1 or Redline.
> > 5 speed transfer case holds 0.29 quarts;
> > 6 speed transfer case holds 0.32 quarts.
> > Rearend holds 1.16 quarts.
> > Jack Tertadian
>
> > TALONRULES@aol.com wrote:
> > > Hello everyone, Does anyone know what proper oil should be used in the
> > > Transfer case and rear end for an AWD stealth?  Any idea how much each one
> > > holds?


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Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Proper oil for rear end and transfer case

Ok..thats more clear..thanks!

- ---
Spoken to me on the net recently:

"You're obviously psychotic.  Goodbye."

Actually, this was the first sensible statement the person has actually made.  YMMV.
- ---

On Sun, 14 May 2000, xwing wrote:

> No, use Shockproof in the Transfer Case only!
> That doesn't communicate fluids to the Transaxle,
> so transfer case fluid choice won't affect shifting.
>
> For Transaxle, can use Redline MT90, BG Synchroshift, whatever.
> For Rearend, use Redline 75w90, Mobil 1 gear oil, whatever.
> JT
>
> Geoff Mohler wrote:
>
> > So what are you saing about the transfer case?
> > Use shockproof..but it'll cause shifting problems?  That sounds like a
> > problem waiting to happen.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 14 May 2000, xwing wrote:
> > > Use Redline Shockproof Heavy Gear Oil for transfer case, for sure; it has the
> > > best GEAR PROTECTION ability.  (It will NOT work as well with transmission
> > > synchronizers because it is too slippery for synchro to work fully).
> > > Rearend, use a synthetic 75w90 or so gear oil, like Mobil 1 or Redline.
> > > 5 speed transfer case holds 0.29 quarts;
> > > 6 speed transfer case holds 0.32 quarts.
> > > Rearend holds 1.16 quarts.
> > > Jack Tertadian
> >
> > > TALONRULES@aol.com wrote:
> > > > Hello everyone, Does anyone know what proper oil should be used in the
> > > > Transfer case and rear end for an AWD stealth?  Any idea how much each one
> > > > holds?
>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:20:29 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR 4 Gas mileage?

I don't know if this is common or not, but when I've disconnected the
battery (for various reasons, - K&N, fuel filter, engine cleaning, etc.) the
mileage on the first tank after that is about 2-3mpg lower than normal.  I'm
guessing this is because the ECU is still "learning" how you drive and how
to get the best mileage.  I'd imagine the reset defaults in the ECU are not
very optimized.

my 2hp...

- --Erik

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Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed)          70,000 mi
   Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
   Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
   K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator bye-bye
   Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
   *** No more ticking lash adjusters(since 07/99)! ***
'94 Algae Blue "Ain't No 3000" Corolla (DOHC, Auto)  66,000mi
   Cheapo 185/14 "gonna slide off the road" tires (must fix)
   Battery:1, Erik:0
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