team3s
Tuesday, May 9
2000
Volume 01 : Number
130
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Date:
Mon, 08 May 2000 20:16:17 PDT
From: "Greg Gonzales" <
greggonzo1@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: someone stole my license plate!!!
Someone stole my plate! They
just ripped it off the back of my stealth.
they didnt even bother to take the
screws out they just pryed it off the
back of my car.
so I had to spend
60 for the plate and 8 for the plastic plate holders.
Greg
92 RT
TT
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Date:
Mon, 8 May 2000 22:17:40 -0700
From: "Jose Soriano" <
amahoser@linkline.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: IC Upgrades
I did put a little writeup on my site but to
summarize,
I put a temp probe on the inlet and the outlet of the
intercooler core. I
wanted to see the effieciency of the intercooler itself.
Max inlet temp was
around 200 degrees. During that particular run, outlet
temp read 80 degrees.
I didn't take an ambient reading as I didn't have a
thermometer on me.
However, I checked the weather report on the internet for
my area and it was
75 degrees. I know it could be a few degrees off but on
other runs, max
difference between ambient and outlet never exceeded 10
degrees. I do not
have a pressure guage but if one of you guys have a couple,
I have no
problem installing it temporarly so I can get the readings you guys
want. As
far as putting a sh*tload of probes all over the intercooler
plumbing, sorry
guys, that's out! The piping ain't cheap and I don't want a
ton of holes
that have to be welded shut. Sorry.
Jose
Soriano
visit my Stealth site at
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----- Original Message -----
From: "George Kuo" <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, May 08, 2000 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: IC Upgrades
>
Jose has collected the data you are looking for. I'm
> not sure if
its on his site.. but I'm sure he will
> jump in soon when he reads this
thread.
>
> I believe he got the inlet pipe to 200+ degrees
and
> the outlet pipe was only 5 degree above outside
> temperture..
probably need his confirmation on this..
>
> --- Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > Does someone want to share some **real** data
> >
concerning
> > intercooler efficiency so we can make an
objective
> > evaluation on
> > which is best? We need
temperature and pressure
> > right before and
> > right after
the IC itself. My apologies to the list
> > if this
> >
information is readily available and I'm just
> > uninformed. I
have
> > custom side mounts from Brian L.(then GT-Alley) that
>
> are about
> > twice the size of stock. I would guess since
the
> > cooling area is
> > much larger they would have to be
more efficient
> > than stock.
> > When I asked Brian about
efficiency, he said he had
> > not made the
> > required
measurements. I am quite willing to do this
> > myself for
> >
my car as soon as I can purchase and install
> > required
pressure
> > and temperature probes, not done yet of course. I
>
> imagine the
> > front mounts may be a bit better than side
mounts,
> > but I for one
> > am unwilling to give up the
front bumper bar if that
> > is
> > required. Most definately,
a highly efficient IC can
> > be a much
> > better upgrade
than bigger turbos, up to a point of
> > course.
> >
>
> Jeff "waiting for real IC data" Lucius, 3SI #476
> > Red
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> > -->
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>
> >
> >
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Date:
Mon, 8 May 2000 23:22:21 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <
shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Finally got rear head off - interesting...
Okay, I finally got the rear
head off to look at the middle rear cylinder.
To refresh you memory, I had an
awful engine tapping a few weeks ago so I
pulled the plugs to check them and
the plug in this cylinder was covered
with wet, dark sludge. I then did
a compression test and compression was a
little higher in this cylinder than
the others. So I finally pulled the
head and took some pics. What
I noticed was that there was A LOT more
carbon buildup in this cylinder than
the others. It looks like enough to
cause that awful tapping noise that
led me here in the first place. I also
noticed that there was
noticeably more oil in that cylinder than the others.
You can see it in the
pics. My guess then is that oil was leaking into that
cylinder and
causing abnormal carbon buildup. But what i don't know is why.
Could a
worn valve guide have caused this? Can I safely rule out a bad
rod
bearing yet? (please?) Compression was high, so I'm assuming this
is a head
problem and not a problem with the pistons or rods. But I'm
only 20 and
this is the first engine I've ever taken apart, so my experience
is not one
to be desired.
The pics are at:
http://shmacker.n3.net/engineThanks
again,
Chris Maxwell
92 R/T TT (trying and trying to keep this puppy
running after 150k VERY fun
miles)
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Date:
Mon, 8 May 2000 23:47:01 -0700
From:
jeff.mohler@netapp.comSubject: RE:
Team3S: IC Upgrades
Jose:
Ive been getting static from Alamo..that
the FMIC causes overheating problems
while racing. (airflow
issue)
Comments?
I dont think it would be _that_ much of an issue,
but I thought I would ask an
actual user.
Thanks!
Im also
looking for input on the AFM mod you have as well. Should/could this
be
used with stock injectors and still be a nice calm car?
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Jose Soriano [
mailto:amahoser@linkline.com]
Sent:
Monday, May 08, 2000 10:18 PM
To: George Kuo;
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: IC Upgrades
I did put a little writeup on my site but to
summarize,
I put a temp probe on the inlet and the outlet of the
intercooler core. I
wanted to see the effieciency of the intercooler itself.
Max inlet temp was
around 200 degrees. During that particular run, outlet
temp read 80 degrees.
I didn't take an ambient reading as I didn't have a
thermometer on me.
However, I checked the weather report on the internet for
my area and it was
75 degrees. I know it could be a few degrees off but on
other runs, max
difference between ambient and outlet never exceeded 10
degrees. I do not
have a pressure guage but if one of you guys have a couple,
I have no
problem installing it temporarly so I can get the readings you guys
want. As
far as putting a sh*tload of probes all over the intercooler
plumbing, sorry
guys, that's out! The piping ain't cheap and I don't want a
ton of holes
that have to be welded shut. Sorry.
Jose
Soriano
visit my Stealth site at
www.3si.org/amahoser-
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Kuo" <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, May 08, 2000 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: IC Upgrades
>
Jose has collected the data you are looking for. I'm
> not sure if
its on his site.. but I'm sure he will
> jump in soon when he reads this
thread.
>
> I believe he got the inlet pipe to 200+ degrees
and
> the outlet pipe was only 5 degree above outside
> temperture..
probably need his confirmation on this..
>
> --- Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > Does someone want to share some **real** data
> >
concerning
> > intercooler efficiency so we can make an
objective
> > evaluation on
> > which is best? We need
temperature and pressure
> > right before and
> > right after
the IC itself. My apologies to the list
> > if this
> >
information is readily available and I'm just
> > uninformed. I
have
> > custom side mounts from Brian L.(then GT-Alley) that
>
> are about
> > twice the size of stock. I would guess since
the
> > cooling area is
> > much larger they would have to be
more efficient
> > than stock.
> > When I asked Brian about
efficiency, he said he had
> > not made the
> > required
measurements. I am quite willing to do this
> > myself for
> >
my car as soon as I can purchase and install
> > required
pressure
> > and temperature probes, not done yet of course. I
>
> imagine the
> > front mounts may be a bit better than side
mounts,
> > but I for one
> > am unwilling to give up the
front bumper bar if that
> > is
> > required. Most definately,
a highly efficient IC can
> > be a much
> > better upgrade
than bigger turbos, up to a point of
> > course.
> >
>
> Jeff "waiting for real IC data" Lucius, 3SI #476
> > Red
1992 Stealth TT - modified
> > -->
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/>
>
> >
> >
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 00:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: IC Upgrades
What was the weight lost in the bumper
removal?
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 00:44:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Vehicle track..
I cant belive this..
I just now noticed,
that the front track on our cars is about .8" narrower
in front than in
back.
NO BLOODY WONDER OUR CARS UNDERSTEER LIKE A SOB!!!
Wow..talk
about it all making sense in a real hurry.
Front track:
61.4"
Rear track: 62.2"
MOST cars you see out there,
have a wider front track so they feel
'tighter' when you wanna turn
em.
Geesh..guys..get longer studs, and 1/4" spacers up front..do it,
DO IT
NOW. *grin*
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 10:01:46 +0200
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Fuel MODs
> Whats the group mentality on the GT-PRO ARC2-GP
AFM mod?
I use the ARC2 since August 99 and I like it over the
HKS.
What is AFM in your term ???
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 10:00:42 +0200
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: IC Upgrades
> Any idea how "easy" this fits to a
stock turbo car..with a stock front
bumper??
Not "easy" for
my gusto. Some cutting and the removal of the crash-guard is
necessary. This
was no option for me so I decided to go for larger
side-mounted ones together
with water injection. Also of course new IC
piping from the turbos to the TB
is necessary !
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 01:11:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: IC Upgrades
Well, since that bumper is about to head outta
here anyway...*chuckle*
Get an early start on it.
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On
Tue, 9 May 2000, R.G. wrote:
> > Any idea how "easy" this
fits to a stock turbo car..with a stock front
> bumper??
>
>
Not "easy" for my gusto. Some cutting and the removal of the
crash-guard is
> necessary. This was no option for me so I decided to go
for larger
> side-mounted ones together with water injection. Also of
course new IC
> piping from the turbos to the TB is necessary !
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 01:12:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Fuel MODs
Air Flow Meter..but if you like the ARC, it cant be
_all_ bad.
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On Tue, 9 May 2000, R.G. wrote:
> > Whats
the group mentality on the GT-PRO ARC2-GP AFM mod?
>
> I use the
ARC2 since August 99 and I like it over the HKS.
>
> What is AFM in
your term ???
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
>
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 11:54:35 +0200
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Fuel MODs
> Air Flow Meter..but if you like the ARC, it cant
be _all_ bad.
Nono, the ARC is not just a flow meter. Unlike the VPC it
uses a MAF that
measures air flow and doesn't play as a restriction like the
stock MAS (that
is removed when using a VPC too). At the beginning I was
against the ARC
because in theory it wouldn't do a lot for $1000. I
test-installed a VPC and
learned the hard way to use it, different chips for
the controller and
somewhat crappy idle. Of course eveything can be tuned in
but I'm living i
nan environment of up to 36°C temp in summer and
-20°C in winter and the car
should be a daily driver. I then installed
the ARC after I got all my
questions answered by the developers directly and
had a little start-up
problems that got fixed pretty fast. Now I'm runnign it
since August 99 with
the stock 360cc injectors. A few weeks ago I installed
720cc injectors and
only had to adjust two knobs a little and the car is
running great. I guess
there is no other FC (fuel controller) around that
provides that
felexibility for any modification in air or fuel. No hassle
with too rich
settings in the programs and no need for additional rpm-related
tuning
tools. Expensive toy but worth if you look at the big picture and want
to do
the mods step-wise.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 12:07:08 +0200
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Finally got rear head off - interesting...
Chris,
> I
then did a compression test and compression was a little higher in
this
cylinder than the others.
Good, therefore the valves as well
piston and rings are ok.
> head and took some pics. What I
noticed was that there was A LOT more
> carbon buildup in this cylinder
than the others.
IMHO, this is not carbon buildup but typical oil-sludge
allover the chamber.
This was the same on my engine but I also had a very low
compression. But
the cause of this is a lot oil that is draining into the
chamber from
somewhere.
> It looks like enough to cause that awful
tapping noise that led me here in
the first place.
No, I doubt that
this will cause the tapping noise.
> My guess then is that oil was
leaking into that
> cylinder and causing abnormal carbon
buildup.
The oil is not responsible for carbon buildup but carbon and oil
toghether
are result i nthe hevy moisture there.
> Could a worn
valve guide have caused this?
Yes, for me it points to that, especially
because this is a known problem on
our cars. Mitsu gives a high tolerance of
up to 0.15mm for the exhaust
valves. This is way too much for my gusto and
even the best seal would start
leaking after some time. As you have the heads
off anyways, I'd remove the
cams and inspect the valve stems and guides. On
my racing head we did not
replaced the valve guides, no we created new ones
as the stock ones also had
that huge tolerance. We ended up in getting only
0.06mm between vlave stems
and seat what is recommended to prevent the engine
from "oiling".
> Can I safely rule out a bad rod
bearing yet? (please?)
No, the tapping noise can be caused by the stuff
in the upper end but also
at the lower end.
IMHO, clean the chambers
and heads from the carbon and check the valvestems
and guides. The seats and
the valves itselfs are looking good from the pics.
If the tolerance is too
much the replace the stuff that is out of the range.
As previously said,
there is an improvement in the guides possible but is
work and cost related.
The engine is relatively old and I therefore would
say to replace at
least the guides and seals. If the work is done and the
heads back on
you just can hope the tapping sound is gone but there is never
a warranty for
this ;-/
Hope this helps
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 12:48:02 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: ARC
question.
The ARC is a hot wire MAF, Right?
As you guys may know I
also have a Impreza "WRC". The Impreza have a
hotwire MAF as
standard. Several owners that I know have had problems after
fitting
airfilters that are oiled (read K&N). The oil draws in when under
boost
and sticks to the hot wire and when sitting in trafic etc the wire
doesn't
get cooled by passing air and it get overheated and after a while
the wire
burns off.
Have anyone had this problem with the ARC??
Mikael
Akesson
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 13:06:43 +0200
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ARC question.
> The ARC is a hot wire MAF, Right?
I'm
not really sure ! As it looks so much different to the hotwire on my
Camaro
I'd more say it works a different way. Look at
www.splitsec.comhomepage where you can
see how the MAF looks like. There is a hole where the
air is metered in and
this doesn't look like a hotwire to me.
> As you guys may know I also
have a Impreza "WRC". The Impreza have a
> hotwire MAF as
standard. Several owners that I know have had problems
after
> fitting
airfilters that are oiled (read K&N). The oil draws in when under
>
boost and sticks to the hot wire and when sitting in trafic etc the wire
>
doesn't get cooled by passing air and it get overheated and after a
while
> the wire burns off.
This is what happens on the Camaros too
that have the screen infront of the
wires removed. A typical overoiling
problem of the filter for sure !
> Have anyone had this problem with
the ARC??
I don't count here as I do use a Blitz SUS or the Apexi filter
and both do
not need any oil. But when looking at the design and how it works
I'd say
this can also be a problem when the little channel becomes sticked
up. But
at the rear side of this channel is a plate that can be removed and
the
internals be cleaned.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Tue, 09 May 2000 06:54:29 -0700
From: Daniel Jett <
djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wheel selection? was (Mitsubishi VR-4 17" Chrome
Wheels)
>If weight is indeed your priority then you should look at
Volk or Hart ---- the 17X9 Volk
>TE37 weighs in at 15#. The downside is
cost --- about $500 each. They are supposed
>to be designed for racing so
durability should be high ?!?!
> Jim
Berry
Actually, if weight is the biggest issue here, I'd look into the
SSR (from in Japan) line-up of wheels...They use a semi-solid forging process on
their wheels, which gives a very good strength to weight ratio. I have 18"
Integrals, and I think they weigh less than 18 lbs. apiece.
Dan J.
94
Stealth
Turbo
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 07:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Fuel MODs
I have only had it on my car a short time and with
the "stock"
380 injectors. I have no complaints. When the A/F
controller is
dialed in, the car performs just like it did with the stock
MAS.
I am waiting on my datalogger cable repair to continue testing.
The
installation itself is a breeze. In fact, till I totally
trust it, I'm
carrying the stock MAS and old K&N filter with me.
I think I could switch
them out and unplug the ARC from the ECU
in about 15 minutes. Of course,
after the larger injectors are
in there is no going back.
Thanks Roger
for updates on using the ARC with the 720s. I'm
waiting on datalogger cable
before installing mine.
Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT -
modified
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From: "Geoff Mohler" <
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To:
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team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, May 08, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: Team3S: Fuel MODs
Whats the
group mentality on the GT-PRO ARC2-GP AFM
mod?
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 07:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: IC Upgrades
Well the numbers below suggest an incredible 96%
intercooler
efficiency, IE = (200-80) / (200-75). I think it would be
hard
to beat that! Jose, the pics at your site (and your car) are
awesome!
But I just can't get past removing the front bumper bar
for street use. I
guess I'm stuck with my side mounts for now.
Jeff Lucius
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From: "Jose Soriano" <
amahoser@linkline.com>
To:
"George Kuo" <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>;
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, May 08, 2000 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: IC Upgrades
I did
put a little writeup on my site but to summarize,
I put a temp probe on
the inlet and the outlet of the
intercooler core. I wanted to see the
effieciency of the
intercooler itself. Max inlet temp was around 200
degrees.
During that particular run, outlet temp read 80 degrees. I
didn't
take an ambient reading as I didn't have a thermometer on
me. However, I
checked the weather report on the internet for my
area and it was 75 degrees.
I know it could be a few degrees off
but on other runs, max difference
between ambient and outlet
never exceeded 10 degrees. I do not have a
pressure guage but if
one of you guys have a couple, I have no problem
installing it
temporarly so I can get the readings you guys want. As far
as
putting a sh*tload of probes all over the intercooler plumbing,
sorry
guys, that's out! The piping ain't cheap and I don't want
a ton of holes that
have to be welded shut. Sorry.
Jose Soriano
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 09:29:24 -0500
From: "John C. Davidson" <
jd@edge-software.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Fwd: Mitsubishi VR-4 17" Chrome Wheels
> Ahh..I
see.
>
> Nope, cant argue with that at all...but with 9's, you
should be safe for a
275
> tire...right?
>
> I'll probly
be buying some volks in a few weeks anyway.
I picked up some 17X9
Volk Challenges about a year ago. I'm running
275/40 Firehawks on
them. I went with a 35 offset to allow the tires
to fit without rubbing
and ensure caliper clearance. I might have been
able to get away with a
40 offset, but since I had to special order
them from Japan and wait for the
damn things to be made I didn't want
to risk it. (BTW, the best price I
found was Ryan at www.wotm.com)
As I recall they we're 19#s without the
tires, despite the fact that I
went with the chrome option. After
having lifted the stockers many
times, the Volks almost felt "fake"
when I first pulled them out of
the box. Just to give you and idea of how
much difference it made: When
I got the tires mounted/balanced I was throwing
them in the back of my
Expedition and I was able to grab two of them from the
spokes and hold
them at arms length with the tires mounted! (Not long
mind you) ;)
I certainly couldn't do that with the stockers.
I've got
some picture on my website of the Volks. They're on the
92.
-JD
http://www.edge-software.com/private/jd/vr41993
Caracas Red 3000GT VR4 -------------------------------
18K miles, Factory
stock, with all options: sunroof, chrome
wheels, premium sound system, and cd
changer
1992 Sandstone Gray Metallic 3000GT VR4
-------------------
90K miles, Blitz DSBC, Blitz SBOV, SPI Boost Gauge,
WeaponX
Intake, Eibach Springs, Stillen Crossdrilled Rotors, Metal
Matrix
Pads, Borla Exhaust, Snake Eyes Mod., Volk Challenge
wheels (Chrome w/Black
Diamond lip), Firehawk SZ50 275/40
zr17 tires.
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 10:16:55 -0400
From:
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.comSubject:
Team3S: Tire Pressure Monitoring System
A separate division of the
company I work for, is developing an on-board
tire pressure monitoring system
called PSI (Pressure Safety Information
system). The company is planning to
market it through the automakers and
tire manufacturers to be made
available as an option on new cars. However,
I think this product has
some after-market potential, and if there's enough
interest, I may be able to
get my hands on some of these systems to make
available to any of you who
might be interested.
In it's current configuration, the system consists
of 4 transmitter/sensors
which replace the valve stems in each wheel, and a
replacement rear-view
mirror which contains the receiver, LED display, and
alarm. After the
system is installed, the LED display shows a continuous
reading of the air
pressure in any selected tire, and if the pressure of any
tire falls below
a preset amount, a visual warning appears on the display and
an alarm
sounds.
There are some downsides that the company is
addressing, which is why the
system isn't yet on the market. The
transmitter/sensors contain batteries
and are sealed units. The batteries are
advertised to have a 5-year life,
but if one fails, the complete
transmitter/sensor unit must be replaced.
Also, because the monitor is
integrated into a replacement rear-view
mirror, if this system is installed
in a vehicle that contains other
features in the OEM mirror, such as lights
or other electronics, these
features will be lost.
This system won't
warn you of a catastrophic blow-out, but will let you
know if you have a tire
with a slow leak over time. I know on more than one
occasion I've lost an
expensive tire due to a leak that wasn't detected
before the tire was chewed
up by the wheel.
I'm still waiting for price and warranty information,
but I think these
systems will probably cost around $200 or less. Please
e-mail me privately
if you think you might be interested, depending on price,
etc. This is not
a sales pitch and I gain nothing by doing this. There
may already be
similar systems on the market, I don't know. But if not, I
thought this
might be an opportunity for us to have something useful and
unique. I'm
hoping to get one myself in the next few days.
Let me know
what you think.
Jeff Williamson
Belleville,
MI
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 07:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fwd: Mitsubishi VR-4 17" Chrome Wheels
John, those look
great! Did you notice any difference in
handling with the smaller
offset?
Jeff Lucius
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
"John C. Davidson" <
jd@edge-software.com>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, May 09, 2000 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fwd: Mitsubishi VR-4
17" Chrome Wheels
I picked up some 17X9 Volk Challenges about a year
ago. I'm
running 275/40 Firehawks on them. I went with a 35
offset to
allow the tires to fit without rubbing and ensure caliper
clearance.
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 09:48:08 -0500
From: "Kyle Meyer" <
kyle@logicaldirection.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tire Pressure Monitoring System
I remember seeing a system
similar to this advertised around here... It was
not integrated into a
mirror, it was a little LCD display that you mounted
somewhere. You were able
to monitor the inside temperature of the tires as
well.
If I remember
correctly you had to get it installed through Discount Tire or
NTB...
-
-Kyle
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
[
mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of
>
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:17 AM
> To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Team3S: Tire Pressure Monitoring System
>
>
> A
separate division of the company I work for, is developing an on-board
>
tire pressure monitoring system called PSI (Pressure Safety Information
>
system). The company is planning to market it through the automakers
and
> tire manufacturers to be made available as an option on new
cars.
> However,
> I think this product has some after-market
potential, and if
> there's enough
> interest, I may be able to get
my hands on some of these systems to make
> available to any of you who
might be interested.
>
> In it's current configuration, the system
consists of 4
> transmitter/sensors
> which replace the valve stems
in each wheel, and a replacement rear-view
> mirror which contains the
receiver, LED display, and alarm. After the
> system is installed, the LED
display shows a continuous reading of the air
> pressure in any selected
tire, and if the pressure of any tire falls below
> a preset amount, a
visual warning appears on the display and an alarm
>
sounds.
>
> There are some downsides that the company is addressing,
which is why the
> system isn't yet on the market. The transmitter/sensors
contain batteries
> and are sealed units. The batteries are advertised to
have a 5-year life,
> but if one fails, the complete transmitter/sensor
unit must be replaced.
> Also, because the monitor is integrated into a
replacement rear-view
> mirror, if this system is installed in a vehicle
that contains other
> features in the OEM mirror, such as lights or other
electronics, these
> features will be lost.
>
> This system
won't warn you of a catastrophic blow-out, but will let you
> know if you
have a tire with a slow leak over time. I know on
> more than one
>
occasion I've lost an expensive tire due to a leak that wasn't detected
>
before the tire was chewed up by the wheel.
>
> I'm still waiting
for price and warranty information, but I think these
> systems will
probably cost around $200 or less. Please e-mail me privately
> if you
think you might be interested, depending on price, etc.
> This is
not
> a sales pitch and I gain nothing by doing this. There may already
be
> similar systems on the market, I don't know. But if not, I thought
this
> might be an opportunity for us to have something useful and unique.
I'm
> hoping to get one myself in the next few days.
>
> Let
me know what you think.
>
> Jeff Williamson
> Belleville,
MI
>
>
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Date:
Tue, 9 May 2000 10:20:19 -0500
From: "John C. Davidson" <
jd@edge-software.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Fwd: Mitsubishi VR-4 17" Chrome Wheels
Jeff,
It's
hard to say how much difference is appreciable specifically to
the offset
change since I changed many things at once.
First I got some
Eibachs. This made a noticeable improvement in the
handling even with
the stock wheels and tires (BFG 245s). Then I
got the wider wheels with
a lower offset combined with wider tires
(Firehawks). This improved the
handling even more. Right now the
difference is *major*. I can
tell you going from my 93 (with stock
wheels, stock springs, and stock Mich.
245s) to my 92 is quite a
change in handling. While the stock
configuration is impressive
(nothing like switching from an Expedition to a
VR4), it just doesn't
compare to the 92. The 92 feels glued to the
road. I've been
thinking about adding a strut bar, but unless I start
autocrossing it
would certainly be overkill. Plus eventually I'll have
to be practical
and switch my mods to the 93 and sell off the 92. (The
93 has a holder
for the sunroof over the rear struts which I'd have to give
up if I
went with the strut bar.)
BTW, another reason I went with
lower offset is that eventually I'll be
getting Brad's Brake upgrade, and I
wanted the extra room for those
massive calipers.
-JD
> John, those look great! Did you notice any difference in
>
handling with the smaller offset?
>
> Jeff Lucius
http://www.edge-software.com/private/jd/vr41993
Caracas Red 3000GT VR4 -------------------------------
18K miles, Factory
stock, with all options: sunroof, chrome
wheels, premium sound system, and cd
changer
1992 Sandstone Gray Metallic 3000GT VR4
-------------------
90K miles, Blitz DSBC, Blitz SBOV, SPI Boost Gauge,
WeaponX
Intake, Eibach Springs, Stillen Crossdrilled Rotors, Metal
Matrix
Pads, Borla Exhaust, Snake Eyes Mod., Volk Challenge
wheels (Chrome w/Black
Diamond lip), Firehawk SZ50 275/40
zr17 tires.
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