team3s               Friday, May 5 2000               Volume 01 : Number 126




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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:23:43 -0400
From: Mark <pagan@siscom.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions

Local grocery store.  I buy 2.5 gallons for $1.50.

Mark
'93 R/T TT

At 07:21 PM 5/4/00 -0500, Trevor James wrote:
>Where do you guys get distilled water from?
>
>Trevor
>96 R/T TT
>92 GMC Typhoon
>
>Matt Jannusch wrote:
>
>> > Where are you guys plumbin in the injector for WI?
>>
>> I plumbed the pressure feed and injector about one inch past the blowoff
>valve output on the Y-pipe between the BOV and the throttle body so that
>water couldn't get injected into the BOV.  I put the injector about
>straight-on with the side of the Y-pipe (line running horizontal to the
>ground) and the pressure feed line about 1" down on the Y-pipe underneath
>the water injector.  Works great.  For the pressure switch line you can tap
>off of the BOV line from the throttle body (I have a separate tap on the
>driver's side end of the intake manifold that I used for my boost controller
>for the pressure switch line).
>>
>> -Matt
>> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>>
>> ***Info:  www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm***
>
>
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:17:09 -0500
From: wizards <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions

Any Wal-mart, Target, KMart, Shopko, or similar kind of discount store
would carry it .... either in their "food" aisles or with their laundry
supplies like detergent, bleach, starch, etc.

Greg



Trevor James wrote:
>
> Where do you guys get distilled water from?
>
> Trevor
> 96 R/T TT
> 92 GMC Typhoon
>
> Matt Jannusch wrote:
>
> > > Where are you guys plumbin in the injector for WI?
> >
> > I plumbed the pressure feed and injector about one inch past the blowoff valve output on the Y-pipe between the BOV and the throttle body so that water couldn't get injected into the BOV.  I put the injector about straight-on with the side of the Y-pipe (line running horizontal to the ground) and the pressure feed line about 1" down on the Y-pipe underneath the water injector.  Works great.  For the pressure switch line you can tap off of the BOV line from the throttle body (I have a separate tap on the driver's side end of the intake manifold that I used for my boost controller for the pressure switch line).
> >
> > -Matt
> > '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
> >
> > ***Info:  www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm***
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:00:02 -0700
From: "Greg McIntyre" <greg@infinet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Strut assemblies

Pardon the imposition of this post, as it is off subject.

About 6-7 weeks ago I had exchanged e-mail with a member of this group
regarding his selling a set of 4 strut assemblies to me. I've since had a
massive HD crash and had to reload my system, losing my address book.

If you are he, please respond privately! I'm now ready to buy ....

Thanks! -- Greg
greg@infinet.com
'93 3000 GT SL


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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:27:45 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions

I tapped the spray nozzle right in the bend in the Y-pipe right before the
throttle body.  The hard plastic makes drilling easy.  There is a return
pressure line a few inches upstream from the nozzle.  Here are some pics.

http://mn3s.org/wi1.jpg
http://mn3s.org/wi2.jpg
http://mn3s.org/wi3.jpg
http://mn3s.org/wi4.jpg
http://mn3s.org/wi5.jpg

later,
Curt
Upper Midwest Gathering info at: http://www.mn3s.org/upper-midwest.html


>From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
>To: "'Curt Gendron'" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>, Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions
>Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:24:06 -0700
>
>Where are you guys plumbin in the injector for WI?
>
>I have a kit, will install on VR4 instead of Supra.

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:56:26 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions

> But..isnt all of that plastic?  Just wondering on the
> stability of that.

Yup, the threaded parts are screwed right into holes I drilled in the plastic Y-pipe.  When I drilled them, I chose a bit 1-2 sizes smaller than the part I was inserting, and screwing in the insert effectively threaded the Y-pipe.  I've screwed out the fittings a couple times to inspect the nozzle and it has screwed back in just fine so far.  They don't back out over time, either.  Works good enough so far...

If you really wanted to go whole-hog on it, you could fabricate a little plate that would hold the nozzle and then put a hose clamp on each side of the nozzle, holding down the plate.  That would be a more "permanent" mounting method, but up to the 19psi boost that I've occasionally run it has held fine without any extras.  Not sure how much pressure this mounting method can handle.  If you are going all-out into the 25+ psi range you might need to do something more serious, probably depends on how tight your insert fits (mine requires a wrench to deinstall/install).

- -Matt
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:33:02 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions

HKS sells Distilled Water. Its been formulated from a special bath of Heavy
Water taken from 3 Mile Island. Its on sale for only $75.00 a Gal.
Arty


In a message dated 5/4/00 5:39:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jeff.mohler@netapp.com writes:

<< Subj:     RE: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions
Date:  5/4/00 5:39:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:  jeff.mohler@netapp.com (Mohler, Jeff)
Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
To:    trevor@kscable.com ('Trevor James'), MAJ@BigCharts.com (Matt Jannusch)
CC:    Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st

The...store?

-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor James [mailto:trevor@kscable.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 5:21 PM
To: Matt Jannusch
Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions


Where do you guys get distilled water from?

Trevor
96 R/T TT
92 GMC Typhoon
  >>

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:12:01 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: NGK question

Alright, here is a million dollar question for everyone.....  What is the
number for the NGK ~copper~ plug that works in the 3/S.  I know everyone
uses the PFR6J-11 platinum plug, but if you plan on changing your plugs ever
10k or so, you can use the copper NGK plug.  Any idea??

I know the copper plug is a lot cheaper.  I know Bob Fontana used the copper
plugs all the time.  I've searched everywhere, but I can find the part
number......

later,
Curt
UMG info: http://www.mn3s.org/upper-midwest.html

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:47:27 -0500
From: Trevor James <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions

Cute Arty...very cute...now I feel like a moron. Sorry but I've never had a use
for distilled water so I've never went shopping for it.

Trev

Aso8@aol.com wrote:

> HKS sells Distilled Water. Its been formulated from a special bath of Heavy
> Water taken from 3 Mile Island. Its on sale for only $75.00 a Gal.
> Arty
>
> In a message dated 5/4/00 5:39:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jeff.mohler@netapp.com writes:
>
> << Subj:     RE: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions
>  Date:  5/4/00 5:39:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>  From:  jeff.mohler@netapp.com (Mohler, Jeff)
>  Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>  To:    trevor@kscable.com ('Trevor James'), MAJ@BigCharts.com (Matt Jannusch)
>  CC:    Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>
>  The...store?
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Trevor James [mailto:trevor@kscable.com]
>  Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 5:21 PM
>  To: Matt Jannusch
>  Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>  Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions
>
>
>  Where do you guys get distilled water from?
>
>  Trevor
>  96 R/T TT
>  92 GMC Typhoon
>   >>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:49:48 -0500
From: Trevor James <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Team3S: Cooler Plugs...

Anyone know of any cooler range plugs or have any experience with them? Did they
supress detonation any?

Trevor


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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:53:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cooler Plugs...

Note:  Cooler plugs will only affect detonation, if the plug itself is the
source of the detonation.

Just thought Id say that, in case anyone thinks plugs are an actual
solution to the detonation issue.

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On Fri, 5 May 2000, Trevor James wrote:

> Anyone know of any cooler range plugs or have any experience with them? Did they
> supress detonation any?
>
> Trevor
>
>
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:39:07 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK question

Curt

I have run the BKR6ES for the last couple of years with great success.
Following is a reprint from a post that I have saved concerning gap, colder
plugs and plug types.



Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth



***** Start of Reports *****


The spark plug gap necessary under high boost varies tremendously with
boost and radiator/intercoolers cooling ability. Your objective is of
course to maximize the gap regardless of conditions but that becomes more
difficult as temperature and pressure become more and more capable of
literally blowing out that ignition spark. Under stock conditions a gap
of .04 inchis appropriate, with 12psi gap down to .035, with 15psi gap
down to .030, any boost pressure higher should not necessitate a gap
lower than .028 inch.
As far as cold ranges, the general rule of thumb is to reduce the heat
range (one step colder) if power increases over 100 horsepower from stock
and that would coincide with a boost presure of approximately 15psi. If
fuel capablities (i.e. fuel pump and injectors have been upgraded) and
cooling capacity (i.e. intercoolers, radiator, ic piping, etc.) have been
increased then it usually is not necessary to switch to a colder heat
range as it will only lead to immediate fouling especially under normal
stop and go traffic. (Stock NGK heat range is designated as "6", one step
colder is "7" - yes, it makes no logical sense.)


If you want a stock plug for a stock VR-4 engine offering maximum
longevity and minimizing future knuckle-scraping changes then go with the
double-platinum BKR6EVX.
Cost $6-$9 each.

If you want a little extra conductivity and perhaps a few horsepower
extra without limiting plug life then go with the BKR6E, these have less
platinum content.
Cost $5-$8 each.

If you want maximized spark performance with the trade-off of minimized
plug life then use the BKR6ES, these have copper cores which provide
greater thermal and electrical conductivity than platinum-based plugs but
erode quicker.
Cost $2.50-$4 each.


***** End of Repost *****





Alright, here is a million dollar question for everyone.....  What is the
number for the NGK ~copper~ plug that works in the 3/S.  I know everyone
uses the PFR6J-11 platinum plug, but if you plan on changing your plugs ever
10k or so, you can use the copper NGK plug.  Any idea??

I know the copper plug is a lot cheaper.  I know Bob Fontana used the copper
plugs all the time.  I've searched everywhere, but I can find the part
number......

later,
Curt
UMG info: http://www.mn3s.org/upper-midwest.html

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 13:26:07 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK question

Hey Jeff,

Your check will be in the mail. :-)  hehe....  This post should make it to
the FAQ page.  Bob Forrest, ya out there........

Curt
UMG info: http://www.mn3s.org/upper-midwest.html


>From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
>Reply-To: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
>To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK question
>Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:39:07 -0600
>
>Curt
>
>I have run the BKR6ES for the last couple of years with great success.
>Following is a reprint from a post that I have saved concerning gap, colder
>plugs and plug types.
>
>
>
>Jeffrey
>92 RT/Turbo
>www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>
>
>
>***** Start of Reports *****
>
>
>The spark plug gap necessary under high boost varies tremendously with
>boost and radiator/intercoolers cooling ability. Your objective is of
>course to maximize the gap regardless of conditions but that becomes more
>difficult as temperature and pressure become more and more capable of
>literally blowing out that ignition spark. Under stock conditions a gap
>of .04 inchis appropriate, with 12psi gap down to .035, with 15psi gap
>down to .030, any boost pressure higher should not necessitate a gap
>lower than .028 inch.
>As far as cold ranges, the general rule of thumb is to reduce the heat
>range (one step colder) if power increases over 100 horsepower from stock
>and that would coincide with a boost presure of approximately 15psi. If
>fuel capablities (i.e. fuel pump and injectors have been upgraded) and
>cooling capacity (i.e. intercoolers, radiator, ic piping, etc.) have been
>increased then it usually is not necessary to switch to a colder heat
>range as it will only lead to immediate fouling especially under normal
>stop and go traffic. (Stock NGK heat range is designated as "6", one step
>colder is "7" - yes, it makes no logical sense.)
>
>
>If you want a stock plug for a stock VR-4 engine offering maximum
>longevity and minimizing future knuckle-scraping changes then go with the
>double-platinum BKR6EVX.
>Cost $6-$9 each.
>
>If you want a little extra conductivity and perhaps a few horsepower
>extra without limiting plug life then go with the BKR6E, these have less
>platinum content.
>Cost $5-$8 each.
>
>If you want maximized spark performance with the trade-off of minimized
>plug life then use the BKR6ES, these have copper cores which provide
>greater thermal and electrical conductivity than platinum-based plugs but
>erode quicker.
>Cost $2.50-$4 each.
>
>
>***** End of Repost *****

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:27:23 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: removed timing belt, weird thing happened

Ok, I finally got the timing belt off but when I was taking it off, the
intake cam on the left side of the engine spun a little bit.  Is that
supposed to happen?  It didn't happen on the other cams.  Mind you, I'm
taking my heads off because I'm trying to figure out why my engine is making
a loud, harsh tapping sound.


Thanks again,
Chris
92 R/T TT


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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:45:26 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: removed timing belt, weird thing happened

> Ok, I finally got the timing belt off but when I was taking it off, the
> intake cam on the left side of the engine spun a little bit.  Is that
> supposed to happen?  It didn't happen on the other cams.  Mind you, I'm
> taking my heads off because I'm trying to figure out why my engine is making
> a loud, harsh tapping sound.

That's normal from the valve springs pushing on the cam lobes.  Just make sure the marks on the timing wheels are lined up when you get it all back together.  Use clips to hold the timing belt in position on the wheels when you put it back together to make the realignment easier.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:49:01 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: General Engine Question

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mohler, Jeff [mailto:jeff.mohler@netapp.com]
>
> Did it restart?  You didnt say.
>

Yeah the car starts, and runs ok some of the time.  About 50% of the time,
it idles rough, misses/stumbles under high load (high gear, low RPM), and
seems to be lacking some power in the high-RPM range (doesn't pull very hard
at the top end and it gives a good kick upon upshifting when floored).  It's
an automatic, BTW.

- --Erik


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gross, Erik [mailto:erik.gross@intel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 1:52 PM
> To: 'Team3S List'
> Subject: Team3S: General Engine Question
>
>
> Quick general engine question:
>
> What would one need to examine after accidentally dropping a
> disconnected
> spark plug wire (plug end) with the engine on, having it
> touch metal, ground
> out, and stop the engine?  It grounded out through the
> insulator, so I'm
> guessing that wire is shot and will replace it.
>
> This happens not to be on my 3000GT (whew), but may be useful
> general info -
> if not, please reply to me privately if you have any
> suggestions.  This
> engine is a FI I4 with a distributor/rotor('94 Corolla). 
>
> I'm replacing the plugs anyway, I have new wires, distributor
> cap, rotor,
> battery (it blew up...literally).   I cleaned the car up and
> neutralized all
> the acid I could find.  The car runs now (nothing replaced
> but the battery,
> but it's rough and frequently misses.   My plan is to try the
> following
> order:  plug wires and plugs, distributor cap/rotor, and if
> neither of those
> work, replace the distributor.
>


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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:16:41 -0600
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: NGK question

bcpr6es-11 or for modified cars

around the town plugs BCPR7EVX-11 $7.00 a plug
race only plugs R7233-9 $19.00 a plug

92 3000 GTO S.C.
650hp of Thrills and Chills Someday :)
Plates (HIPRESR)
1-800-888-gwla x4733
http://www.users.uswest.net/~ppalamara



- -----Original Message-----
From: Curt Gendron [mailto:curt_gendron@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:12 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: NGK question


Alright, here is a million dollar question for everyone.....  What is the
number for the NGK ~copper~ plug that works in the 3/S.  I know everyone
uses the PFR6J-11 platinum plug, but if you plan on changing your plugs ever

10k or so, you can use the copper NGK plug.  Any idea??

I know the copper plug is a lot cheaper.  I know Bob Fontana used the copper

plugs all the time.  I've searched everywhere, but I can find the part
number......

later,
Curt
UMG info: http://www.mn3s.org/upper-midwest.html

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:30:11 -0600
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: NGK question

bcpr6es-11 or 7 or 8 for heat ranges

or for modified cars:

around the town plugs BCPR7EVX-11 $7.00 a plug
race only plugs R7233-9 $19.00 a plug

92 3000 GTO S.C.
650hp of Thrills and Chills Someday :)
Plates (HIPRESR)
1-800-888-gwla x4733
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Date: 5 May 2000 15:55:29 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission removal, Thanks

Thanks to everyone who send me emails on tranmission removal, I was able to sucessfuly remover the RH driveshaft from my VR4 last night.  All it took was a New 30" wrecking bar from Sear and a hard pry between the transmission and the green cylinder.   The retaining clip made it feal like I was doing something wrong at first then it popped out with no problem.]

I will let the list know how my engine rebuild goes.

P.S.  I am looking for a new/used main front crossmember.  This is the crossmeber hidden by active aero skirt that goes from side to side.  

John Monnin
91 VR4
jkmonnin@altavista.com


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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:03:43 -0700
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions

Great news guys..THANKS!

I dont expect to feel any perf. gain from this, but who knows.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch [mailto:MAJ@BigCharts.com]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 5:56 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: racing gas questions


> But..isnt all of that plastic?  Just wondering on the
> stability of that.

Yup, the threaded parts are screwed right into holes I drilled in the plastic
Y-pipe.  When I drilled them, I chose a bit 1-2 sizes smaller than the part I
was inserting, and screwing in the insert effectively threaded the Y-pipe.  I've
screwed out the fittings a couple times to inspect the nozzle and it has screwed
back in just fine so far.  They don't back out over time, either.  Works good
enough so far...

If you really wanted to go whole-hog on it, you could fabricate a little plate
that would hold the nozzle and then put a hose clamp on each side of the nozzle,
holding down the plate.  That would be a more "permanent" mounting method, but
up to the 19psi boost that I've occasionally run it has held fine without any
extras.  Not sure how much pressure this mounting method can handle.  If you are
going all-out into the 25+ psi range you might need to do something more
serious, probably depends on how tight your insert fits (mine requires a wrench
to deinstall/install).

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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