team3s
Wednesday, April 26
2000 Volume 01
: Number
117
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Throttle Body Question
The coolant lines run through the
bottom of the TB, where the
air by-pass valve is. I don't know for sure, but
I imagine the
only effects are to heat the air at idle (the air by-passing
the
throttle plate), which could be helpful in cold weather or maybe
for
emissions. I don't think the TB itself has a water jacket
around the hole
thing so heat transfer at speed with
fast-flowing air is probably negligable.
I doubt there would be
much of a performance improvement from removing the
lines. Just
my 2¢ worth :) But let us know what you find
out.
Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Gonsowski" <
twinturbo@mediaone.net>
To:
"3000GT / Stealth List" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:22 PM
Subject: Team3S: Throttle Body
Question
I was wondering why coolant is routed through the throttle
body
and possible ill effects by removing it. I'm not sure why
this
is even done. I'm certain that the throttle body
and
intercooled boost is lower than the coolant temp (190F+),
therefore
the coolant is ever-so-slightly warming up the intake
charge. I'm
assuming the coolant circulates at
normal operating temps, if it doesn't then
removing the water
may not help.
Before I do anything, I want to
understand why it is there, I
don't want to have any driveability
issues. I have a couple
theories, but I'm just not
sure.
Thanks,
Slo Joe
'92 R/T
TT
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:10:22 -0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Time to re-tire
My local Tires Plus store has 245/45-17 Yokohama
032R tires on sale for
$162 plus tax plus shipping. Tire Rack has them for
$171 plus shipping.
Are these good prices? I think I remember somebody
quoting 032Rs at $135 a
few weeks ago. Or maybe it was my medication.
Is there any other tire I should be considering for my 3800 lb beast? I
see
that BFG G-Force tires are under $200 at Tire Rack, but I don't know
which
of these is the hot tire for open tracking. They list about four
different
models. Kumhos also are running about $135-$145.
Rich/94
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:45:36 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Time to re-tire
Rich
David Skultety swears by the G Force --- He
said that he went from the A032s
to G Force and it was a big improvement. His
email is
dskull@aol.com .
I'm looking to
buy a set of 17"X9" Hart rims with the G Force 255X40. I
was
thinking about 18" rims but the damn tires are about $50 apiece
more.
One drawback to the R compound shaved tires is that they apparently
don't
give as much advance warning when they lose traction.
Talk to Dave
he gave me some good advice !!
PS. spend an extra $15 and get them heat
cycled.
Jim
Berry
========================================================
From:
Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
My local Tires Plus store has 245/45-17 Yokohama 032R tires on sale for
>
$162 plus tax plus shipping. Tire Rack has them for $171 plus
shipping.
> Are these good prices? I think I remember somebody quoting
032Rs at $135 a
> few weeks ago. Or maybe it was my medication.
>
> Is there any other tire I should be considering for my 3800 lb beast? I
see
> that BFG G-Force tires are under $200 at Tire Rack, but I don't know
which
> of these is the hot tire for open tracking. They list about four
different
> models. Kumhos also are running about $135-$145.
>
> Rich/94 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4
>
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:24:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Time to re-tire
We got 80+ runs (autox) out of our Kumho's,
an excellent race tire if you
ask me.
255 17s fit nicely.
. . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
1995 Mitsu.
VR4
Plate: SPDTOY 2* 13.2@107
2000 Celica
GT-S
Plate: SPDTOY 3* 14.9@96Mph
1987 Supra
Turbo
Plate: SPDTOY 1* 13.38@104Mph
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K&N FIPK,Spearco
IC,APEXi N1 Exhaust*,Custom Hardpipe Kit,Walbro Fuel Pump,
Custom
Aluminum-Alloy Flywheel,RC 3mm Overbore Throttle Body,
Mueller Lightweight
Driveshaft*,HKS Downpipe*Lightweight Main Pulley**,
Full Redline Synthetic
Oils & WW,AEM Cam Gear (Intake)*,Dave Hall AFPR,
Greddy Type-S
BOV,Lightewight 16x8" Racing Wheels,HKS FCD,Greddy EGT Guage,
ST Swaybar
Set,Eibach Pro Spring Set,Tokico-II TEMS Struts,
APEXi (new) AVC-R,Broward
Dual-Friction Clutch*,BM150 Electric Fan
Porterfield Heat/Cryo treated
Rotors, crossdrilled*,Porterfield R4-S Pads*,
Full DOT 5.1 Brake
fluid,Goodridge SS Brake lines,Dunlop SP8000 tires.
Yes..all this on a stock
HG too @75-80lbs..I ferget.
+++
* On order
** Being
developed
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Merritt wrote:
> My local Tires
Plus store has 245/45-17 Yokohama 032R tires on sale for
> $162 plus tax
plus shipping. Tire Rack has them for $171 plus shipping.
> Are
these good prices? I think I remember somebody quoting 032Rs at $135 a
>
few weeks ago. Or maybe it was my medication.
>
> Is there any
other tire I should be considering for my 3800 lb beast? I see
> that BFG
G-Force tires are under $200 at Tire Rack, but I don't know which
> of
these is the hot tire for open tracking. They list about four different
>
models. Kumhos also are running about $135-$145.
>
> Rich/94
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4
>
> ***Info:
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>
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:25:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Time to re-tire
Lots of ppl swear by the GF, and more swear
AT them.
Way too expensive, and have little/no feedback at the edge of
traction.
I really dont see a long life for the GF in a heavy
car.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
1995 Mitsu.
VR4
Plate: SPDTOY 2* 13.2@107
2000 Celica
GT-S
Plate: SPDTOY 3* 14.9@96Mph
1987 Supra
Turbo
Plate: SPDTOY 1* 13.38@104Mph
-
---------------------------------------------------
K&N FIPK,Spearco
IC,APEXi N1 Exhaust*,Custom Hardpipe Kit,Walbro Fuel Pump,
Custom
Aluminum-Alloy Flywheel,RC 3mm Overbore Throttle Body,
Mueller Lightweight
Driveshaft*,HKS Downpipe*Lightweight Main Pulley**,
Full Redline Synthetic
Oils & WW,AEM Cam Gear (Intake)*,Dave Hall AFPR,
Greddy Type-S
BOV,Lightewight 16x8" Racing Wheels,HKS FCD,Greddy EGT Guage,
ST Swaybar
Set,Eibach Pro Spring Set,Tokico-II TEMS Struts,
APEXi (new) AVC-R,Broward
Dual-Friction Clutch*,BM150 Electric Fan
Porterfield Heat/Cryo treated
Rotors, crossdrilled*,Porterfield R4-S Pads*,
Full DOT 5.1 Brake
fluid,Goodridge SS Brake lines,Dunlop SP8000 tires.
Yes..all this on a stock
HG too @75-80lbs..I ferget.
+++
* On order
** Being
developed
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Jim Berry wrote:
> Rich
>
> David Skultety swears by the G Force --- He said that he went from the
A032s
> to G Force and it was a big improvement. His email is
dskull@aol.com .
> I'm looking to buy a
set of 17"X9" Hart rims with the G Force 255X40. I was
>
thinking about 18" rims but the damn tires are about $50 apiece
more.
> One drawback to the R compound shaved tires is that they
apparently don't
> give as much advance warning when they lose
traction.
> Talk to Dave he gave me some good advice !!
>
>
PS. spend an extra $15 and get them heat cycled.
>
> Jim Berry
>
========================================================
> From: Merritt
<
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
>
> > My local Tires Plus store has 245/45-17 Yokohama 032R
tires on sale for
> > $162 plus tax plus shipping. Tire Rack has them
for $171 plus shipping.
> > Are these good prices? I think I
remember somebody quoting 032Rs at $135 a
> > few weeks ago. Or maybe
it was my medication.
> >
> > Is there any other tire I
should be considering for my 3800 lb beast? I see
> > that BFG G-Force
tires are under $200 at Tire Rack, but I don't know which
> > of these
is the hot tire for open tracking. They list about four different
> >
models. Kumhos also are running about $135-$145.
> >
> >
Rich/94 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4
> >
> > ***Info:
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>
>
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>
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:46:27 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <
ken.c.stanton@usa.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Notchy Shifter - update
Hello again..
I've had two tranny
shops and dozens of auto experts (I work for Delphi
Automotive) shooting
ideas at me for fixing my notchy tranny problem
(note repost at end of
message). So far, I've had solutions ranging
from replace the flywheel,
to adjust the clutch (petal), to replace the
tranny (again). I had a
lot of 3000/S owners tell me that they have
adjusted their clutches to
resolve this - mine does seem to be way out
of whack -- but, I don't grind
going into reverse, a problem which would
be an indicator of a clutch not
disengaging. It only grinds going into
first, and feels 'notchy' moving
into any gear (running or not). Well,
we looked at shifter linkage, it
seems fine, I did the clutch booster
test - fine - the clutch was bled only a
week ago, and did not help at
all. Oh, and yes, the flywheel was
turned....
Question: For those *who have adjusted their clutch
petals*, how are
they now? Is the petal still in spec? Does the
clutch seem to be
slipping at all? Anything else odd noticed?
I'm
quite weary as it may mask another problem - the real cause so
to
speak...
All assistance is appreciated!
Ken Stanton
'91
Pearl White RT/TT
K&N, Snake Eyes, Plates 007KEN
BRAND NEW (reman)
Getrag from MD Auto and RPS Turbo Clutch
Originals:
Posting 1
---
I have a newly installed Getrag from MD Auto (reman), RPS Turbo
Clutch,
and am experiencing a VERY notchy shifter problem - whether running
or
not, it feels as if I am pushing the shifter thru a spring. And, if
the
car is running, I occasionally get a grind going into first or
even
second (NOT a synchro problem!!! I'm sure!).
Posting 2
---
Are you keeping in mind that my car _feels_ the same way when it
is
off? My
local tranny expert told me that this rules out
clutch. But, I do know
(but
not understand) that if the car is off
and you try to shift it, it is
very
difficult w/o depressing the
clutch. Therefore, if the clutch is
mechanically
not disengaging,
even when the car is off I would feel this notchy
feeling -
but I'm not
the expert!!
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:37:58 -0700
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Throttle Body Question
Depends on the car Jeff.
The
Supra runs a rather long path of hot water thru the intake manifold
itself,
and results in a much hotter plenum.
Its really only there to
prevent icing in the colder climates as far as anybody
can guess that Ive
talked to.
:-----Original Message-----
:From: Jeff Lucius [
mailto:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
:Sent:
Tuesday, April 25, 2000 4:50 PM
:To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st:Subject:
Re: Team3S: Throttle Body Question
:
:
:The coolant lines run through
the bottom of the TB, where the
:air by-pass valve is. I don't know for sure,
but I imagine the
:only effects are to heat the air at idle (the air
by-passing the
:throttle plate), which could be helpful in cold weather or
maybe
:for emissions. I don't think the TB itself has a water
jacket
:around the hole thing so heat transfer at speed with
:fast-flowing
air is probably negligable. I doubt there would be
:much of a performance
improvement from removing the lines. Just
:my 2¢ worth :) But let us
know what you find out.
:
:Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
:Red 1992 Stealth TT -
modified
: -->
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/:
:-----
Original Message -----
:From: "Joe Gonsowski" <
twinturbo@mediaone.net>
:To:
"3000GT / Stealth List" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
:Sent:
Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:22 PM
:Subject: Team3S: Throttle Body
Question
:
:I was wondering why coolant is routed through the throttle
body
:and possible ill effects by removing it. I'm not sure why
this
:is even done. I'm certain that the throttle body
and
:intercooled boost is lower than the coolant temp (190F+),
:therefore
the coolant is ever-so-slightly warming up the intake
:charge. I'm
assuming the coolant circulates at
:normal operating temps, if it doesn't
then removing the water
:may not help.
:
:Before I do anything, I want
to understand why it is there, I
:don't want to have any driveability
issues. I have a couple
:theories, but I'm just not
sure.
:
:Thanks,
:Slo Joe
:'92 R/T
TT
:
:
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:02:41 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Time to re-tire
Those are great skins. They are basically a street
legal racing tire. They
should work decent in the rain on a track, and
last long enough to use on
the street. Might be a little slick in
standing water, but that's what
driving is all about
;)
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
>
> My
local Tires Plus store has 245/45-17 Yokohama 032R tires on sale for
>
$162 plus tax plus shipping. Tire Rack has them for $171 plus
shipping.
> Are these good prices? I think I remember somebody quoting
032Rs at $135 a
> few weeks ago. Or maybe it was my
medication.
>
> Is there any other tire I should be considering for
my 3800 lb
> beast? I see
> that BFG G-Force tires are under $200 at
Tire Rack, but I don't know which
> of these is the hot tire for open
tracking. They list about four different
> models. Kumhos also are running
about $135-$145.
>
> Rich/94 Mitsubishi 3000GT
VR4
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:27:47 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Time to re-tire
> Lots of ppl swear by the GF, and more swear AT
them.
>
> Way too expensive, and have little/no feedback at the edge
of traction.
>
> I really dont see a long life for the GF in a heavy
car.
>
> . . ============================================
I'm
talking about the R compound race tire --- Tire rack sez $165 w/o the heat cycle
option. This of
course is not a street tire although it is DOT
approved.
Jim Berry
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Date:
Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:57:53 +0100
From: "Martin" <
martin@star.co.uk>
Subject: Team3S:
3000 GTO owners handbook
Hi all
Does anyone have a 3000 GTO
handbook/manual they can sell me?
I got one with car but with it being an
import it is all in Japanese as I would expect but I cannot read Japanese and
would love an English version.
Also I have heard quite a bit about a CD that
is available but don't know if that will cover the GTO models, can anyone advise
me?
Thanks in advance
Martin
Berkley
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Date:
Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:38:31 -0700
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Time to re-tire
Yes, and so am I...both talking the AutoX
tire.
The more heavy the car Im seeing, the more im not seeing the BFG's
on em.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry [
mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Tuesday,
April 25, 2000 9:28 PM
To: Geoff Mohler
Cc:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st;
Merritt
Subject: Re: Team3S: Time to re-tire
> Lots of ppl
swear by the GF, and more swear AT them.
>
> Way too expensive, and
have little/no feedback at the edge of traction.
>
> I really dont
see a long life for the GF in a heavy car.
>
> . .
============================================
I'm talking about the R
compound race tire --- Tire rack sez $165 w/o the heat
cycle option. This
of
course is not a street tire although it is DOT
approved.
Jim Berry
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Date:
Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:35:58 EDT
From:
MrX2111@aol.comSubject: Team3S: car vs
Ninja 1100 ... NINJA LOSES!!!!!!!!!!!
For all of you that were asking
about the vr4 against a 900 ninja .. this
worked celica awd in antigua waxs
an 1100 ninja
Go to this link and click on the picture on the top
right.
http://www.antiguaspeed.com/video.htmWei-Lik
Liem
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Date:
Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:19:31 -0700
From: "Murat Okcuoglu" <
murat@dellnet.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Notchy Shifter - update
try replacing transaxle oil first
it may solve / help your problem
try castrol synthetic
75/90
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Date:
Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:07:48 EDT
From:
Aso8@aol.comSubject: Team3S: Fuel Pump
Comparisons - Update
Fuel Pump Comparisons...Sorry, I did not have this
info on 4/13/00,
the time this topic was posted.
I'm adding one more
fuel pump to this topic that I have never seen talked
about
& the one
I've chosen to use for my setup. Actually, I'm using (2) two of
them.
It's the Weldon A2005-C expensive but you'll see why.
Check the
specifications & flow rates in the very last column. Two of these
may be
overkill but that's the setup.
Arty 91 VR-4
Subj:
RE: Team3S: fuel pump
Date: 04/13/2000 6:43:25 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From:
jeff.mohler@netapp.com (Mohler,
Jeff)
Sender:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.stTo:
Oleg@telia.lv ('Oleg-Telia'),
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
(Team3S)
>SNIP<
For everyones intererst..here are some flow
rates (comparing Supra pumps..and
others)
Good one for the FAQ
here!!
- ---
Here's the flow
specs.....
PSI
Walbro
Cosmo
MKIV
MKIII * Weldon
A2005-C
-
-------------------------------------------------------------
Flow rate per
pump
26 60.0
gph 61.6
gph 60.4 gph
40.1 gph 111 gph
30
58.1 gph 57.5
gph 55.4 gph
35.6 gph 109 gph
40
51.0 gph 48.4
gph 47.2 gph
26.3 gph 107 gph
50
43.9 gph 38.0
gph 37.3 gph
16.7 gph 105 gph
60
37.3 gph 28.0
gph 28.7
gph 8.0 gph 102
gph
70 32.1
gph 16.6
gph 16.5
gph no test 100
gph
80 20.9
gph
dribbling
dripping no
test 97
gph
85
dribbling no
test no
test no test
* Please, keep in
mind I have not tested this pump setup yet. If you want to
try this pump
wait until I get it going to see if it's all it's cracked up to
be...
Totally experimental :)
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date:
Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:42:02 +1200
From: Kevin Clark <
Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 3000 GTO owners handbook
> Does anyone have a 3000 GTO
handbook/manual they can sell me?
> I got one with car but with it being
an import it is all in
> Japanese as I would expect but I cannot read
Japanese and
> would love an English version.
I also have a
Japanese GTO handbook. Unfortunately the english
(3000GT) version of
this has not been included in the following
CD.
> Also I have heard
quite a bit about a CD that is available
> but don't know if that will
cover the GTO models, can anyone
> advise me?
The CD Manual (
http://www.twingles.com/manualcd/3scd/)
includes:
3000GT Manuals (91-99)
Dodge Stealth Manuals
Body Repair
Manuals
Rebuild Manuals
DSM Tech Manual
I have both the physical
manuals and the CD and can verify
that the CD contains an exact copy of the
physical media.
I tend to use the CD version to print out pages so that
I
do not mess up the physical manual when doing work on the
car (I have a
Japanese import 1991 GTO TwinTurbo).
It should be noted that there is
pratically no difference
between the 3000GT and the GTO (other than the
American
3000GT is a left hand drive vehicle, and some cosmetic
changes in
the indicators, etc).
Mitsubishi Marketing just decided not to us the GTO
label
for the American market.
I hope this helps. I am not sure
on Mitsubishi's stand
on the duplication of manuals (as their business is
in
making money from cars rather than service
manuals...)
Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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Date:
Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:57:41 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Time to re-tire
What do you recommend --- I don't plan on autoX but I do
plan on 4 or more
open track events per year ????????
Jim
Berry
===============================================
> Yes, and so am
I...both talking the AutoX tire.
>
> The more heavy the car Im
seeing, the more im not seeing the BFG's on em.
>
> >
===================================================
>
> > Lots
of ppl swear by the GF, and more swear AT them.
> >
> > Way
too expensive, and have little/no feedback at the edge of traction.
>
>
> > I really dont see a long life for the GF in a heavy
car.
> >
> > . .
============================================
>
> I'm talking about
the R compound race tire --- Tire rack sez $165 w/o the heat
> cycle
option. This of
> course is not a street tire although it is DOT
approved.
>
> Jim Berry
>
>
>
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