team3s
Tuesday, April 25
2000
Volume 01 : Number
116
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Date:
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:34:37 -0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Seeking Midwest autocrossers
I've been having a wonderful
off-list conversation with Geoff Mohler about
autocrossing, and the question
came up: Who else runs autocrosses? I know
some of us do open track,
but how many on this list run autocrosses with
their Stealths or 3000GTs?.
Please come back off list to
merritt@cedar-rapids.net. Maybe we
could meet
up at an event somewhere, and kick some serious butt. At the very
least, we
can share autocross secrets. I just learned from Geoff, for
example, how to
set the rear toe out to make the car oversteer a little.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date:
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:20:09 -0400
From: Mark <
pagan@siscom.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Trailer hitch
I suppose that this is hash and re-hash, but I do have a
question that
maybe someone with some more physics experience than I can
explain this a
little better. In regards to the question of weight
being the same whether
it is a trailer or friends and beer I offer this
question. Is there a
difference considering weight distribution?
Is there a *REAL* difference
between 600lbs of passengers vs. 600lbs of dead
weight all dedicated to the
outside rear of the vehicle? Is there any
more/less strain on the
drivetrain because of the force gained by the trailer
(it is on wheels and
outside the vehicle) vs. the force (any?) created by the
individuals in the
car? The dead weight on a scale is the same, but is
it the same (same
effect) moving down the road? Now the real question,
does it matter? :)
Mark
'93 R/T TT
At 07:59 AM 4/24/00 -0700,
Mohler, Jeff wrote:
>I was under the impression that putting the strain of
a trailer on the
>car was not really a transmission issue. The issue
with a VR-4 or TT
>and a trailer(or so I've always heard) is the viscous
coupling on the
>drivetrain, it is not designed to have the extra
strain on it at all
>times like you have while pulling a load. Forget the
extra wear and tear
>on the clutch! The braking system on the car is
underdesigned
>anyway....add more weight/momentum for it to slow
down.....you're
>begging to have your rotors turned or replaced
frequently.
>---
>
>How is a 500lb trailer harder on the
coupling, than 500lbs of beer and friends
>in the car with you?
Explain.
>
>I've pulled a few small trailers around with probably
1000 lbs of crap
>in it with my Wrangler...and I don't think I'd put that
stress on a car
>that is ten times more expensive to repair and ten times
more difficult
>to fix when it wears out....even at half that
weight.
>---
>
>Explain the additional stress of trailer -vs-
passenger weight.
>
>Face it, Our cars should be ON trailers
(to and from shows and or the
>track), not PULLING
them.
>---
>
>Only for wussies. We -drive- our car to
the events we win.
>
>
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Date:
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:46:40 -0700
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Trailer hitch
I suppose that this is hash and re-hash, but I
do have a question that
maybe someone with some more physics experience than
I can explain this a
little better. In regards to the question of
weight being the same whether
it is a trailer or friends and beer I offer
this question. Is there a
difference considering weight
distribution? Is there a *REAL* difference
between 600lbs of passengers
vs. 600lbs of dead weight all dedicated to the
outside rear of the
vehicle? Is there any more/less strain on the
drivetrain because of the
force gained by the trailer (it is on wheels and
outside the vehicle) vs. the
force (any?) created by the individuals in the
car? The dead weight on
a scale is the same, but is it the same (same
effect) moving down the
road? Now the real question, does it matter? :)
- ---
Theres no
difference, because your towing weight is NOT your tongue weight.
I try
to keep the tongue weight to about 30-75lbs depending how I end up
loading
the trailer.
..and that only affects how the car sits and
rides. The drivetrain still has to
pull the weight regardless of where
its at in the 60/40 torque split.
And no..it
doesnt.
Theres two types of sports car owners, theres the
polishers (car is never dirty,
mint, perfect) and theres the drivers
(agressive street driving doesnt count,
because it kills ppl).
There
are forms in between the two, but usually they all gravitate to one type
or
the other.
(Again, I think im gonna catch hell for
this)
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:38:15 +0300
From: "Oleg-Telia" <
Oleg@telia.lv>
Subject: Team3S: HKS
intercoolers and pipes
Anyone ever had problems with installation of
subj.?
Today I was going to install them, but with no results.
Strengthenings
differ from stock ones. It is impossible to connect some
pipes. Why???? I
thought it is direct replacement but service guys told that
installation
could take few days. References and advices are welcome from
everyone who
has experience with installation of HKS intercoolers and
pipes.
Best regards,
Oleg Reznik
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Date:
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:36:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: HKS intercoolers and pipes
Dunno what would take a couple
days..
My wife and I can have ICs and FULL plumbing out/cleaned and
reinstalled
in about 2 hours in a 3S. The HKS hardware cant possibly be
THAT much
different.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
1995 Mitsu.
VR4
Plate: SPDTOY 2* 13.2@107
2000 Celica
GT-S
Plate: SPDTOY 3* 14.9@96Mph
1987 Supra
Turbo
Plate: SPDTOY 1* 13.38@104Mph
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K&N FIPK,Spearco
IC,APEXi N1 Exhaust*,Custom Hardpipe Kit,Walbro Fuel Pump,
Custom
Aluminum-Alloy Flywheel,RC 3mm Overbore Throttle Body,
Mueller Lightweight
Driveshaft*,HKS Downpipe*Lightweight Main Pulley**,
Full Redline Synthetic
Oils & WW,AEM Cam Gear (Intake)*,Dave Hall AFPR,
Greddy Type-S
BOV,Lightewight 16x8" Racing Wheels,HKS FCD,Greddy EGT Guage,
ST Swaybar
Set,Eibach Pro Spring Set,Tokico-II TEMS Struts,
APEXi (new) AVC-R,Broward
Dual-Friction Clutch*,BM150 Electric Fan
Porterfield Heat/Cryo treated
Rotors, crossdrilled*,Porterfield R4-S Pads*,
Full DOT 5.1 Brake
fluid,Goodridge SS Brake lines,Dunlop SP8000 tires.
Yes..all this on a stock
HG too @75-80lbs..I ferget.
+++
* On order
** Being
developed
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Date:
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:07:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Turbo work
Should I spend the small bucks, and get my exhaust
housings jet coated..or
not.
I know its "good" but "how
good" is it on the turbos.
Thanks
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:40:30 -0500
From: xwing <
xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Supras, Racing, VR4 Roadcourse
Supras sure are fast after first gear; and
handle well.
My buddy Paul's Supra with HKS twin 2835 turbo upgrade
is
super fast, 11.7/130 mph on street tires at dragstrip
(though that sort of
good takeoff is unusual for it).
On roadcourse at Road America for F-Body
event
April 15-16 2000, he had problems because the turbos are
SO big,
there is alot of turbo lag and he couldn't get out
of corners fast
enough. It was his first time at roadcourse,
so will get better and
learn to row the transmission more.
He couldn't believe how fast I left him
behind (remember,
there are CORNERS on Road America) though his car
is a
little faster in straights, once on boost.
My 1994 VR4 did very well (as
the 93 used to :)
I was surprised how well the stock 94+ brakes worked
with
stock pads (initially) but not full straight blasts...
and I never
got passed...first day was dry and fast; 2nd
day was wet, rainy and eating
everybody alive with the
AWD! The Vipers mostly stayed home that 2nd
day
due to rain (waaaah) but in my rungroup, the neat red
GTS with white
stripes was fun to play with. Naturally
tried to see if I was REALLY
hanging with him for
awhile...then had to let me by (was getting rude
how
long it took him to admit it) and then it was
Sayonara,
Viper-San! ehehheeehehhehehheheh
Vipers.
Boy, do
they look cool.
Finally, worthy opponents.
Jack
Tertadian
"I'm Back"
Mark Hindelang wrote:
>
articals ive read,
> supra is called "King Of The STraight
Away". More stock hp,
> it weighs less, its center of
gravity is much lower than ours.
> i really don't see them as an enemy
like i do the honda civics
> with the lowered down stuff, and the super
rice look, but they're
> just in a different breed.
>
> Mark
Jentilet wrote:
>
> > You don't say what year his Supra is.
Anything prior to last
> > generation, Stealth will eat Supra for
breakfast,
> > If new Supra Turbo, my money is on Supra, even
on
> > twisty roads (unless rain or snow). August '93 issue
Road
> > & Track had tuner car test. HKS 3000GT VR4 (larger turbos,
larger
> > intercoolers, larger fuel injectors, VPC, exhaust,
centerforce clutch,
> > was still substantially slower than
STOCK
> > Supra turbo tested in the same issue. Granted, R&T
road testing techniques
> > do not take full advantage of the VR4s AWD,
but fact is Supra weighs
> > a lot less than the VR4, makes as much or
more power. The Supra is
> > baaaad ride. Too bad it looks
so weird.
> > Mark Jentilet
>
> > Mark Hindelang
wrote:
> > > i have a friend with supra.
> > > i
have stealth TT 92.. i have 400-420 hp
> > > we were just wondering
who would take who on a race?
> > > i think i would take him in
first gear and maybe second because of AWD,
> > > but after that i
think he would sling shot in front of me... true??
> > > oh yeah, i
think he also has about 400 hp.. or something like
that..
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:49:58 -0500
From: "Jeff" <
spydervr4@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Fw: [dfw] Warning about Michelin Pilot Sports
Thought this might be
useful. It came off a local Camaro/Firebird list, but
may apply to our
cars if you guys are shopping for new tires.
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi
Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Jeff Tyler" <
jmtyler@airmail.net>
To:
"CFCC" <
cfcc-dfw@egroups.com>; "DFW
Mailing List"
<
dfw-f-body@f-body.org>
Sent:
Tuesday, April 25, 2000 1:49 AM
Subject: [dfw] Warning about Michelin Pilot
Sports
> I know there has been a lot of talk lately about high
performance tires,
> so I wanted to pass this along.
>
> My
Viper came with Michelin Pilot MXX3's. In 1999, the Viper's went
to
> the new Michelin Pilot Sport. It is supposed to be better in
the rain,
> and be more forgiving by not having as sharp of a turn in as
the MXX3.
>
> John Hennessey was running one of his cars in the
Silver State Challenge
> when a sidewall came apart at 198mph.
Michellin claimed he should have
> raised the air pressure for sustained
high speed usage. That sounds
> logical. However, a guy on the
Viper list just had the same thing
> happen to him while cruising at
90mph. He posted a message raising a
> stink about how he hated the
tires. That burst the dam. Now, there are
> already 4 other
guys replying that they have had the exact same failure,
> and even on
differant cars. Two of them have been on Mercedes E55's,
> and
another on a SL500. All these cars had less than 6,000 miles on
>
them, and were on the original OE tires (Pilot Sports).
>
> If you
are getting ready to lay down the big bucks for a set of these, I
> would
hang on for a while and see where this goes. It may be a fluke.
> I
wouldn't chance it. Every one of these failures is from the
sidewall
> coming apart on the highway. The incident with Hennessey
was the only
> one involving insane speed.
>
> I just wanted
to give a heads up, so you can check into this yourself
> and make your
decision.
>
> --
> Jeff Tyler
> CFCC founding officer
Member #2 (since 1995)
> 96 Viper GTS 11.96 @ 118MPH all stock car
and tires
> 95 Trans Am 13.14 @ 107MPH 1.6
Rockers/Borla/K&N/stickies/MAC Y&cat
>
pipes
>
>
>
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:14:04 +0200
From: "R.G." <
robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Fw: [dfw] Warning about Michelin Pilot Sports
Add an M3 to this
list !
One dyno here in Switzerland had a major problem with a Michelin
"Pilot"
equipped and tuned M3 on the rolls. At 170mph on the dyno,
one rear wheel
decided to loose its sidewall. Total damage is worth $10k
!!!!
> > and even on differant cars. Two of them have been on
Mercedes E55's,
> > and another on a SL500. All these cars had
less than 6,000 miles on
> > them, and were on the original OE tires
(Pilot Sports).
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Date:
Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:22:04 -0400
From: Joe Gonsowski <
twinturbo@mediaone.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Throttle Body Question
I was wondering why coolant is routed
through the throttle body and
possible ill effects by removing it. I'm
not sure why this is even
done. I'm certain that the throttle body and
intercooled boost is lower
than the coolant temp (190F+), therefore the
coolant is ever-so-slightly
warming up the intake charge. I'm assuming
the coolant circulates at
normal operating temps, if it doesn't then removing
the water may not
help.
Before I do anything, I want to understand why
it is there, I don't want
to have any driveability issues. I have a
couple theories, but I'm just
not sure.
Thanks,
Slo Joe
'92 R/T
TT
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