team3s             Sunday, March 26 2000             Volume 01 : Number 092




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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:02:30 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rotor Replacement

Question:

I just went to replace my rotors and pads, and discovered the studs are part of
the rotor..didnt see that comin at all.


Can you re-use studs in the new rotor?

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:06:00 CST
From: "Predator -" <predator_dr@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Crank Position

We are in the process of changing the timing belt and are having problems
aligning the cam sprockets. Is the crank supposed to be set to top dead
center? The only way the sprocket marks seem to line up
with the marks on the engine is when we set the crank to 20 deg. before top
dead center (this is when the timing belt is tight). When we use TDC as the
starting point the mark on the sprocket will be either one half mark before
or one half mark past the alignment mark on the engine. This is true on all
the sprockets.

PLEASE HELP!

Mike
92 Stealth ES

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:28:53 -0800
From: "Jose Soriano" <amahoser@linkline.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Replacement

The wheel studs ARE NOT part of the rotors. Did you remove the rotor? It
should come out with a little banging with a rubber mallet... once the
caliper is clear anyways.

Jose Soriano

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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 10:02 AM
Subject: Team3S: Rotor Replacement


> Question:
>
> I just went to replace my rotors and pads, and discovered the studs are
part of
> the rotor..didnt see that comin at all.
>
>
> Can you re-use studs in the new rotor?
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:46:02 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotor Replacement

Hmmm, Look again.  The studs are not part of the rotor.

Once you get the caliper off, you should be able to remove the rotor. If you
can not remove it easily, Don't bang on it, use the two 8mm holes that the
factory placed there by design to remove a stuck rotor.

You will thread two 8mm X 1.25 bolts into these holes and the rotor will
come off.

Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Mohler, Jeff
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 12:03 PM
To: 'team3s@stealth-3000gt.st'
Subject: Team3S: Rotor Replacement

Question:

I just went to replace my rotors and pads, and discovered the studs are part
of
the rotor..didnt see that comin at all.


Can you re-use studs in the new rotor?

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:27:53 EST
From: Mitsukid99@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Car idling, dying, no clue?

This is a problem my buddy Josh is having with his 93 VR-4, I am clueless, he
suspects the computer but I think it's mechanical; although everything seems
intact, here is his account:

Two weeks ago I started my car and It has just got worse after that.
From what I have figured, my blancer/lower pully bolt had been working lose
since I did my 60K tune. I guess the roll pin that aligns the pully had been
keep things together for me somehow. But this last start the pin sheared in
half.

The bolt stayed in the crank, but the pully and every thing else stoped.
It took about 45 seconds or so to get out, car still running, and notice that
none of the belts were turning. I shut it off there and called a flat bed.

Fastforward two weeks. I open her up and find out that indeed that is what
happend. Half the pin was in the timing gear, the other half fell out of the
pully once i got it off. I got a replacment pin and luckly was able to get
the other half out of the timming gear.

Now, back to the Problem. I got it all back togther and now it runs for about
30 seconds, the check engine light comes on, and she dies. I tried to reset
the computer(if you call disconnecting the battery for 10 min "resetting"),
but nothing changes. Also it seems that the rear bank of cylinder are running
much hotter than the front, or the front are not firing right. When I give it
a some gas and let off it backfires a bit.

He's checked all intake, intercooling, etc for leaks, not that.  The car now
runs 5 minutes then check engine light, then death. Any tips or ideas?

Ant

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:39:55 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Car idling, dying, no clue?

Pull the codes and check to see what sensor is tripping the Check engine
light.


As a general rule, most sensors will not cause the car to die immediately,
I would check the crank and cam sensors.  I suspect you have some dirt/metal
causing a short in the crank sensor (due to the metal shavings from the
crank pulley)

Other items to check:
Fuel pump, does stop running?
Do you still have spark when it dies?

I'm sure there is more, but this gives you a few places to start.

Does the car die immediately? Or does it just sputter down?

What about the Alternator voltage?   I think something might have locked up
to sheer off the dowel pin on the crank pulley. Or the pulley was not
installed correctly.


Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Mitsukid99@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 8:28 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Car idling, dying, no clue?

This is a problem my buddy Josh is having with his 93 VR-4, I am clueless,
he
suspects the computer but I think it's mechanical; although everything seems
intact, here is his account:

Two weeks ago I started my car and It has just got worse after that.
From what I have figured, my blancer/lower pully bolt had been working lose
since I did my 60K tune. I guess the roll pin that aligns the pully had been
keep things together for me somehow. But this last start the pin sheared in
half.

The bolt stayed in the crank, but the pully and every thing else stoped.
It took about 45 seconds or so to get out, car still running, and notice
that
none of the belts were turning. I shut it off there and called a flat bed.

Fastforward two weeks. I open her up and find out that indeed that is what
happend. Half the pin was in the timing gear, the other half fell out of the
pully once i got it off. I got a replacment pin and luckly was able to get
the other half out of the timming gear.

Now, back to the Problem. I got it all back togther and now it runs for
about
30 seconds, the check engine light comes on, and she dies. I tried to reset
the computer(if you call disconnecting the battery for 10 min "resetting"),
but nothing changes. Also it seems that the rear bank of cylinder are
running
much hotter than the front, or the front are not firing right. When I give
it
a some gas and let off it backfires a bit.

He's checked all intake, intercooling, etc for leaks, not that.  The car now
runs 5 minutes then check engine light, then death. Any tips or ideas?

Ant

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:46:21 CST
From: "Predator -" <predator_dr@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Crank Position

- -I had tried to send this message once before, but errors came back-
                     -SORRY IF I REPOSTED-

We are in the process of changing the timing belt and are having problems
aligning the cam sprockets. Is the crank supposed to be set to top dead
center? The only way the sprocket marks seem to line up
with the marks on the engine is when we set the crank to 20 deg. before top
dead center (this is when the timing belt is tight). When we use TDC as the
starting point the mark on the sprocket will be either one half mark before
or one half mark past the alignment mark on the engine. This is true on all
the sprockets.

PLEASE HELP!

Mike
92 Stealth ES


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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:10:14 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: FW: Team3S: Rotor Replacement

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mohler, Jeff
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 7:10 PM
To: 'Merritt'; Mohler, Jeff
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotor Replacement


I dont use OEM studs...and cannot.  So I wondered if I can Xplant the racing
studs I have now.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 11:41 AM
To: Mohler, Jeff
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Replacement


>I just went to replace my rotors and pads, and discovered the studs are
part of
>the rotor..didnt see that comin at all.>
>Can you re-use studs in the new rotor?

Why bother? They are only like $1.50 or so at the Mitsu dealer.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:12:13 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotor Replacement

That appears to be what I saw..

Darn..they sure LOOK like they are pressed into the rotors *laugh*

The new pads have been BBQd, and I will install tomorrow.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell [mailto:bbedell@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 5:46 PM
To: Mohler, Jeff; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotor Replacement


Hmmm, Look again.  The studs are not part of the rotor.

Once you get the caliper off, you should be able to remove the rotor. If you
can not remove it easily, Don't bang on it, use the two 8mm holes that the
factory placed there by design to remove a stuck rotor.

You will thread two 8mm X 1.25 bolts into these holes and the rotor will
come off.

Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Mohler, Jeff
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 12:03 PM
To: 'team3s@stealth-3000gt.st'
Subject: Team3S: Rotor Replacement

Question:

I just went to replace my rotors and pads, and discovered the studs are part
of
the rotor..didnt see that comin at all.


Can you re-use studs in the new rotor?

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:15:57 EST
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: Turbo timer setting?

>I have a turbo timer on my VR4. Right now its set to 1 minute. Is the
>sufficient to cool the turbos?
>
>- -MM

I would think that 3 to 5 minutes is a more appropriate time for the average
driver. I would even set it up to 10 minutes if you drive the car pretty hard.

My one of my friend's once knew I guy that had a old T-Bird and he would race
it on the backroads for a couple of hours. Afterwards, the turbo would
actually be glowing orange and he would have to let it idle for about three
hours to let it cool down. I'm just giving you this example to to demonstrate
that the idle time all depends on how hard you drive the car.

AA


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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:31:08 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Turbo timer setting?

> I would think that 3 to 5 minutes is a more appropriate time
> for the average driver. I would even set it up to 10 minutes
> if you drive the car pretty hard.

3 to 5 minutes should be an extreme example.  The turbos are also liquid cooled by the normal engine coolant, so the temperature decreases fairly rapidly once you are "off the boost".

> My one of my friend's once knew I guy that had a old T-Bird
> and he would race it on the backroads for a couple of
> hours. Afterwards, the turbo would actually be glowing
> orange and he would have to let it idle for about three
> hours to let it cool down. I'm just giving you this example
> to to demonstrate that the idle time all depends on how hard
> you drive the car.

Three HOURS of idling to cool it down?  You are kidding, right?

Our turbos will glow hot if you are wailing on them and immediately pop the hood, however when you get off the gas then the exhaust gas temperatures (which are a bigp portion of what heats them in the first place) drop and help to cool the turbos down to reasonable temperatures quickly.  The coolant and oil does the rest of the job.

To answer the original question of whether 1 minute is adequate idle time to cool turbos, in most circumstances it is.  It will let some cool oil make its way through the turbo bearings, as well as some coolant through the center section of the turbo and draw away the high temperatures that cause the coking of oil that causes most premature turbo failures.  If you are driving hard and park the car right away (such as in an autocross or drag racing) then you might want to pop the hood and set it for 3-5 minutes.  That should be more than adequate.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:23:56 EST
From: Nturavgguy@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: for sale

Summer is almost here and it is time for a new toy.  I have a 93 3000GT for
sale.  The following parts are new within the past 10k that I have had it. 
Clutch, trans bearings synchros several gears and hubs, water pump, timing
belt, plugs, wires, brakes, Clation Pro Audio CD player, right wheel bearing,
K&N filtercharger intake box, Eibach Pro series lowering springs (1.5" frnt
1.3" rear)  The car now has approx 99k miles on it.  Color is red on black
and grey cloth.  I would keep driving in for another year myself, but I have
just gotten bored and need to try something else.  I am asking $8750 but I am
willing to talk.  I am in Southern NH (Merrimack).  You can contact my via
email or by phone  (603) 429-4182 evenings only please.  My email is
NtUrAvgGuy@aol.com
Thanks
Jim Graham

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:50:41 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Turbo timer setting?

> My one of my friend's once knew I guy that had a old T-Bird
> and he would race it on the backroads for a couple of
> hours. Afterwards, the turbo would actually be glowing
> orange and he would have to let it idle for about three
> hours to let it cool down. I'm just giving you this example
> to to demonstrate that the idle time all depends on how hard
> you drive the car.

Hohoho, 3h, this is just ... no, sorry no stupid words here :) Be realistic
and you will see that the car even heats up more when sitting on a parking
lot and it just idles. Anything over 2 minutes is too much ! Often it is
much better to drive it around at low to no boost. This cools down the
engine/turbos much better. The Dual Timer from Blitz is taking care of this
as it measures boost and determines how long it should take to cool down.
When I do a test-run (same street up and down) and come back to my
"pit-place" boost had peaked up to 1.15 bars with about 0.98 bar at 7000
(13g) and a speed of about 220km/h, the timer is increased to about 1min
48sec. Every vacuum reading during driving back decreases this time and
IMHO, driving it around helps much better.

Roger
93'3000GT TT






>
> Our turbos will glow hot if you are wailing on them and immediately pop
the hood, however when you get off the gas then the exhaust gas temperatures
(which are a bigp portion of what heats them in the first place) drop and
help to cool the turbos down to reasonable temperatures quickly.  The
coolant and oil does the rest of the job.
>
> To answer the original question of whether 1 minute is adequate idle time
to cool turbos, in most circumstances it is.  It will let some cool oil make
its way through the turbo bearings, as well as some coolant through the
center section of the turbo and draw away the high temperatures that cause
the coking of oil that causes most premature turbo failures.  If you are
driving hard and park the car right away (such as in an autocross or drag
racing) then you might want to pop the hood and set it for 3-5 minutes.
That should be more than adequate.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:25:10 EST
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Timing belt help

If I remember correctly they are little square cutouts right behind the cam
gears.  If you look down onto the top of the center of the cam gears (onto
where the timing belt runs over the gear) and then follow the teeth to where
they meet the engine, you should see the cutouts. There is a triange stamped
into one of the teeth on the cam gears.  You have to line up the tooth with
the square cut out.  

    There is also a triangle stamped into the side of the crank gear.  If I
remember correctly, the timing mark on the engine side is at about 4:00 or
4:30.  Once you get the mark set, then back it off one tooth because once you
put the timing belt on and tension it up, it will advance one tooth.  Once
the tensioner is set properly, then crank the engine two full revolutions,
line everything up again and sit tight for 10 minutes or so.  DON'T RUSH THIS
STEP! It is necessary to get everything set and the belt stretched a bit. 
After that, you have to recheck your timing marks and recheck the tensioner. 
Chances are you will have to redo tensioning a few times.

    Hope this helps.  Do you have a copy of the service manual where is shows
the timing marks?  If not let me know and I'll scan in on Monday and E-Mail
it to you.

Joe 91TT

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:38:05 EST
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Crank Position

Mike:  I can't remember if the Stealth ES has the single or double cam.  If
it is the single, you should align the timing mark on the crank at the top
dead point of the No. 1 cylinder compression stroke.  The alignment marks on
the gears should also be lined up directly with the timing marks on the
engine.  Be sure you put the belt on in the following sequence:

    Route the timing belt on the CRANKSHAFT gear first, then onto the
camshaft gear on the side WITHOUT slackness in the tight side (i.e, the RIGHT
sprocket).  Then run the belt onto the water pump pulley, the camshaft gear
on the front (left) side, and around the timing belt tensioner.  Then, apply
force COUNTERCLOCKWISE to the camhaft gear on the RIGHT (rear) side, tension
the belt up, and all of your marks should be aligned.

    If you have the double cam alignment is a little trickier.  Did you align
all your marks BEFORE you took your old timing belt off?  If so, alignment
will be easier.  If not, you have to maneuver the cam gears around to get the
timing marks to match because timing is made with some of the valves
partially open.  If you have intake and exhaust valves open at the same time,
they will interfere with each other.  SO let let me know if you need the
procedure for the double cam.

    Hope this helps.  If you need anything else, just let us know!

Joe 91TT

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:36:53 CST
From: "Predator -" <predator_dr@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Thanks for the help, 1 more question! (Timing Belt)

I appreciate all the help I have recieved from everyone, I've gotten
everything done, but can't find the mark that I align the timing mark on the
crank with...There is a notch and a metal rib both in a position to be a
possible mark, also, there are marks on the plastic cover that covers the
crank.

I would appreciate any help on the location of this mark...

Thanks,
Mike
92 Stealth ES
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