team3s            Thursday, March 16 2000            Volume 01 : Number 084




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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:53:02 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Shootout 2000 is ON!

Shootout 2000 is ON!

Friday July 21 2000  at Norwalk, Ohio Dragstrip is DSM and 3000/Stealth
drags...
   a beautiful track!

Saturday July 22      is Autocross event (Minnesota 3S member Matt
Jannusch
   WON his class in the big 3S...even vs. the DSM's, in 1999 as I
recall!)
    and a Car Show.

Sunday July 23 at Norwalk Dragstrip is an official IDRA Import Drag
Racing
    Association meet, with all Imports welcome.  My buddy is coming with
his
    134+mph Supra, for instance...

There are over 250 DSM's at this event, all "relatives" of ours with the
same
turbo/import interest.  From my group we have 8 people going already,
should
be my 3000 and 2 others.  The location is pretty central and easy to get
to the
city.  There are hotels in the area, we got 2 rooms already at
Econolodge.
There should be a website, can check buschurracing.com and clubDSM
www.dsm.org will eventually have a link.

With the 2 drag events, and an Autocross, and a car show, this is the
premier
event of the year for us to go to IMO!

Jack Tertadian




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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:16:10 EST
From: DSMDealer1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Shootout 2000 is ON!

Yes, Tym (Switzer) and I spoke the other day and it looks like everything is
patched up between Buschur/Norwalk/Summit.  Everyone kissed and made up, and
Shootout '00 is back on!! I look forward to seeing you out there (I'll be
sans 3KGT VR4 and with Galant VR4) and enjoying some tire-smoking, AWD
launches!  Make this event if you possibly can....it's never a
disappointment!!!!

Josh
'91 Galant VR4
'92 3000GT VR4
'90 Eclipse GSX
'87 Mighty Max (soon 4G63 powered!!)

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:35:38 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Shootout 2000 is ON!

>Saturday July 22 is Autocross event (Minnesota 3S member Matt
>Jannusch WON his class in the big 3S...even vs. the DSM's, in
> 1999 as I recall!) and a Car Show.

Well, second place anyway...  ;-)  If I can get second place in Stock class (which for this event isn't really stock - just stock turbos and suspension essentially) in the weight-challenged Spyder then a good driver in a TT/VR4 should have a good shot and winning the class and getting some free stuff.  I believe the big prize for 1st place was a full set of Khumo autocross tires and a gift certificate to Bushur Raching.

> From my group we have 8 people going already, should be my 3000
> and 2 others.  The location is pretty central and easy to get
> to the city.  There are hotels in the area, we got 2 rooms
> already at Econolodge.

Probably at least 2 or 3 of us from Minnesota as well.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:50:13 CST
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1/3rd off from CarParts (off-topic)

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the links.
Then cut and paste this link into your browswer:
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Happy shopping,
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:24:52 +0100
From: "Robert Jerome Mengler" <RMENGLER@statoil.com>
Subject: Team3S: 94 3000gt SL needs master cylinder, ECS OK

Well guys, just wanted to let everybody know that I have to replace the
master cylinder on my '94 3000gt SL  standard trans(68,000 miles):  I was
having problems shifting and when I finally checked the clutch reservoir it
was bone dry.   No leaks anywhere on the pavement.   So I filled it up and
it didn't go down for the 2 days I drove it.   I ended up taking it in to
the dealer because the clutch pedal still went down too easily and first
gear was still a tad rough shifting into at times and they said the o-ring
was most likely leaking to the master cylinder  and the whole master
cylinder needed replacing (because the o-ring sits inside the sealed master
cylinder I guess):  $387 here in Houston.    All of the lost fluid had
leaked into the padding under the carpet inside the car, that's why I
couldn't see any leaks.

I asked them to check the struts/shocks because I thought the ride over
bumps in normal mode felt like the car was bottoming out more than normal
but so far they didn't find anything and will drive it again after the
master cylinder repair.   I believe those cars have shocks, maybe just a
bad shock or something.

Any and all comments appreciated.

Bob



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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:38:56 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: tire rubbing on shock

Think about what happens when you install the Plates though.  You move the
mounting location of the strut outwards.  When you move the strut outwards,
you move the tire outwards at the top.  Someone remind me whether the
eccentric bolt on the strut down by the hub is the top or lower mounting
bolt?  If it's the top bolt, then you need to see whether it is adjusted in
or out.  If it's adjusted so that the top is in all the way, then this could
be the source of your problem.  Now, if it's the lower bolt, then see if
it's adjusted out all the way, this would also cause your problem...

Cody



#Here's a good excuse to install GC camber plates ---- In the stock
#setup the negative
#camber is obtained buy tipping the top of the tire towards the
#strut, while the GC camber
#plate moves the top of the strut toward the center of the car.
#You could adjust the stock adjustment max positive [ top of tire
#away from strut ] and then
#get your negative camber by moving the strut toward the centerline
#of the car.
#
#    Jim Berry
#
#P.S.  under static conditions how much clearance do you have
#between the tire and the
#          strut ??? Also is it the same for the right and left.
#
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:06:39 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: tire rubbing on shock

>
> BTW, I've attached the results of my alignment.  It's in German: links means
> left, rechts means right, vorne is front, hinten is rear, vorher is before, nach
> is after.  I assume fahrachswinkel is steering wheel.  Perhaps someone can
> translate nachlauf, sturz and spur for us, but you can probably figure them out
> by the ranges and settings. 
============================================

nachlauf = caster
sturz = camber
spur = toe

The following link is a translation program --- it appears to be literal, the word
nachlauf is translated as ' run after ' which does describe caster.

http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate?


    Jim Berry


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:30:40 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: tire rubbing on shock

Cody wrote

> Think about what happens when you install the Plates though.  You move the
> mounting location of the strut outwards.

not necessarily ----you can locate the top of the strut wherever you want it,
within reason of course. You want it set such that you can get your camber
from about 30' positive to 3 ½ º negative. BTW this also includes setting the
stock adjuster max positive to get the most strut clearance.

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> When you move the strut outwards,  you move the tire outwards at the top.

That's true but it's the relationship between the tire and the strut that you care
about

===========================================================
> Someone remind me whether the
> eccentric bolt on the strut down by the hub is the top or lower mounting
> bolt?  If it's the top bolt, then you need to see whether it is adjusted in
> or out.  If it's adjusted so that the top is in all the way, then this could
> be the source of your problem.  Now, if it's the lower bolt, then see if
> it's adjusted out all the way, this would also cause your problem...

The bottom bolt is the fixed pivot and the top is the adjustment --- the setting
of the top bolt is determined by the amount of camber you want.

If you look at his follow up message with the alignment specs you see that
he has almost no negative camber [ not good for handling ] and the strut
clearance is almost zero so no additional negative camber can be generated.
I can't tell the setting of the eccentric bolt but if  it can be adjusted for more
positive camber then the camber plates could correct the problem plus
allow you to get a better camber setting.








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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:26:55 -0500
From: "Fred Richardson" <rich@magma.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Offset for gen2 cars

Does anyone know the offset in mm needed to clear the rotors on a generation
2 RT TT or VRA4 ?


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:47:05 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.vistec.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: tire rubbing on shock

Jim Berry wrote:
>
> The bottom bolt is the fixed pivot and the top is the adjustment --- the setting
> of the top bolt is determined by the amount of camber you want.
>
> If you look at his follow up message with the alignment specs you see that
> he has almost no negative camber [ not good for handling ] and the strut
> clearance is almost zero so no additional negative camber can be generated.
> I can't tell the setting of the eccentric bolt but if  it can be adjusted for more
> positive camber then the camber plates could correct the problem plus
> allow you to get a better camber setting.

Anyone have any clue as to why my car would exhibit this problem?  Seems like
only those with suspension mods or extreme adjustment requirements need such
aftermarket alignment equipment - mine is 100% stock!  Is this just a symptom of
a more serious problem elsewhere?  Can it really just be some strange tire
anomaly?

It seems that my options are:

1) replace the tires
2) install wheel spacers
3) install camber plates


> nachlauf = caster
> sturz = camber
> spur = toe

Thanks (I am ignorant about alignment terminology and was unable to figure them
out from literal translations).  Why is there no caster setting for the rears?
What settings would you recommend for street use?  Note that I'm looking at 40k
miles of tread wear on these Pilots, which seems excessive by any measure, so I
can handle additional wear.

Thanks to all for the helpful posts!

- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany (soon to be Munich, Germany!)
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:41:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: STALL/ low idle

Scott,

Don't sell your car just because of this.

I have been thinking about this but have been hesitant to post a
reply till I've done more research. But since you're impatient
:) ..., here are my initial opinions from what I have learned
from the manuals.

At idle (i.e. when the throttle plate is closed and the IPS,
idle position switch, is "low") the engine speed is controlled
solely by the ISC (idle speed control) servo - a stepper motor
controlling the idle air by-pass valve (IABV). The ISC servo is
managed by the ECU. The ECU decides on the number of steps (and
how far the IABV is opened).

After the engine has warmed up and is at idle (PS, AC, and light
switches off), the number of ISC steps is determined from a
mapped value in the ECU which depends only on the engine coolant
temperature sensor value. Here is where I think the problem
lies.

I suspect that the engine coolant temp sensor may be worn. It
functions normally within certain temperature limits (that is
its resistance is linearly and inversely related to the coolant
temperature). Perhaps as the sensor ages, its response is out of
range of the ECU mapped values. Or, the sensor is fine and the
actual temperature is out of range. This may cause the ECU to
revert to a fail-safe setting that is inappropriate for the high
air and coolant temps at the moment.

Testing the sensor for this type of failure may be difficult.
The TMO datalogger might help here. I haven't priced them but I
imagine a replacement is not too expensive. However, if the
sensor is functioning correctly, then it's possible that the ECU
ISC vs. temp map does not include the very-high temps
occasionally encountered - that is nothing is broken and this is
a "feature" of the ECU. The ECU is different for every model so
maybe we should take a poll and find out if certain years/models
are prone to this behaviour.

Just my $2 worth. Anybody else's thoughts on this???

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Hartin" <SHartin@blizzard.com>
To: <stealth@starnet.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:50 PM
Subject: STALL/ low idle

I posted this about a week ago, but ill post again see if anyone
has any thoughts:

I have this same problem in my 92 RT/TT ....

When i start the car up and it is completely cold (not been
running for at least a few hours) it runs fine.  However, if i
start it up and its hot (run in the last few hours) it idles
very rough and low (around 500-600rpm) ...
It has yet to stall, but feels like it will at any moment.
Also, the car stumbles a lot at low rpm (below 3500) and low
boost ... Its very annoying and im actually considering trading
the car in if i cant find the problem.
>
> Scott
> 92 RT/TT


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:12:39 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: STALL/ low idle

> After the engine has warmed up and is at idle (PS, AC, and light
> switches off), the number of ISC steps is determined from a
> mapped value in the ECU which depends only on the engine coolant
> temperature sensor value. Here is where I think the problem
> lies.

On the DSM cars (Eclipse, Talon, Laser), they use an identical setup for idle control and experience similar problems to what is being described here.  The usual culprit is a dirty or bad ISC.  The ISC can get gummed up and not extend fully enough to control idle properly.  There is also a base idle set screw that sometimes can work its way out of the throttle body which will let unmetered air into the throttle body and cause these sorts of symptoms as well (stumbling at lower RPMs and poor idle).  Might want to check that as well.  In the service manual look under the section that describes how to set base idle (not in the owners manual, but in the real service manuals).

If you can't find it or figure it out, let me know and I'll take a closer look at my car and try to explain it better.  Sounds like a simple problem though, nothing I'd get rid of the car over...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:01:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: STALL/ low idle

I agree with you there Matt about the ISC and BISS. The ISC is
probably working fine (that is extending fully) if the car idles
properly when cold, steps are usually around 100 on the TMO. So
maybe the ISC motor doesn't work properly when it is hot. I
think Moe P. already suggested this. The BISS is easy to check
and the #5 O-ring it uses can be purchased for pennies at a
hardware store. I do not think the BISS is the problem though.

But let's think about this some more. When the engine is very
hot, and the air probably very hot too, fuel will tend to
vaporize easier. According to the DSM Tech Manual p. 14-43 the
DSM ECU increases the injector pulse width (IPW) for a little
while. Maybe the 3S ECU does the same thing but injects too much
fuel. Some complaints are that the engine seems to be flooded.
On p. 14-53 the DSM manual notes also that the ISC steps are
increased too at start-up with a hot engine. Maybe our IPW is
too large for the ISC steps, in other words the ECU isn't
programmed correctly for this very-hot start situation.

To summarize some of the possible problems (and solutions):
1) ISC malfunctions when hot (test resistances at connector when
hot and replace if bad),
2) coolant temp sensor aged/malfunctioning (test when hot and
replace,
3) IPW incorrect because of voltage problems (check battery when
it is hot, the ECU changes IPW based on battery charge), or
4) ECU misprogrammed (open hood and let engine cool or intercept
and modify one or more sensors signals).

Just some more ideas :)

Jeff Lucius
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modifed

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Jannusch" <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: STALL/ low idle

> After the engine has warmed up and is at idle (PS, AC, and
> light switches off), the number of ISC steps is determined
> from a mapped value in the ECU which depends only on the
engine
> coolant temperature sensor value. Here is where I think the
> problem lies.

On the DSM cars (Eclipse, Talon, Laser), they use an identical
setup for idle control and experience similar problems to what
is being described here.  The usual culprit is a dirty or bad
ISC.  The ISC can get gummed up and not extend fully enough to
control idle properly.  There is also a base idle set screw that
sometimes can work its way out of the throttle body which will
let unmetered air into the throttle body and cause these sorts
of symptoms as well (stumbling at lower RPMs and poor idle).
Might want to check that as well.  In the service manual look
under the section that describes how to set base idle (not in
the owners manual, but in the real service manuals).

If you can't find it or figure it out, let me know and I'll take
a closer look at my car and try to explain it better.  Sounds
like a simple problem though, nothing I'd get rid of the car
over...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:56:41 EST
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Rear Jackpoint

Hi, I just had a quick and simple question for you all. I just wanted to know
that with the aid of one hydrolic jack and two jack stands, how would i lift
the REAR portion of the car? I need a complete lift in the back (i.e. a lift
high enough to change the wheels, etc..).

Basically, all I want to know is what is the rear jackpoint? And is there one
in the middle so i can lift the whole rear end up (because i only have one
jack).

Thanks - P.S. I would appreaciate it if you could send a copy of your reply
to my e-mail address in case i miss it when i'm looking through all the posts.

AA
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:53:17 -0500
From: "William Buckingham" <wbuckingham@dmci.net>
Subject: FW: Team3S: Rear Jackpoint

AA,
See John's Repair Center for instructions on lifting a 3s.
http://user.icx.net/~adams/jacking_instructions.htm
Good Luck

Bill
91 rt/tt stock


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From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of AABOMB1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 6:57 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Rear Jackpoint


Hi, I just had a quick and simple question for you all. I just wanted to
know
that with the aid of one hydrolic jack and two jack stands, how would i lift
the REAR portion of the car? I need a complete lift in the back (i.e. a lift
high enough to change the wheels, etc..).

Basically, all I want to know is what is the rear jackpoint? And is there
one
in the middle so i can lift the whole rear end up (because i only have one
jack).

Thanks - P.S. I would appreaciate it if you could send a copy of your reply
to my e-mail address in case i miss it when i'm looking through all the
posts.

AA
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:07:34 -0500
From: "Dave Holden" <dholden@deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: STALL/ low idle

You do not need a datalogger to test the coolant temp sensor.  The different
resistance across it over certain temp ranges are listed in the service
manual.  I tested mine with a pot of water on the stove, a candy
thermometer, and a multi-meter.  Took me about 10 minutes.

I doubt that the temp sensor is "worn" since it has no moving parts.  They
are fairly reliable these days.  My guess would be ISC motor since this has
moving parts and can wear, get stuck, get dirty, or become maladjusted.

Regards,
Dave Holden
Pearl White '91 R/T
Vancouver, BC

> -----Original Message-----

>
> I suspect that the engine coolant temp sensor may be worn. It
> functions normally within certain temperature limits (that is
> its resistance is linearly and inversely related to the coolant
> temperature). Perhaps as the sensor ages, its response is out of
> range of the ECU mapped values. Or, the sensor is fine and the
> actual temperature is out of range. This may cause the ECU to
> revert to a fail-safe setting that is inappropriate for the high
> air and coolant temps at the moment.
>
> Testing the sensor for this type of failure may be difficult.
> The TMO datalogger might help here. I haven't priced them but I


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:54:28 -0700
From: "Frank Hayden" <frankliz@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation

>This is my first question for this list...
>
>I have a 92 Stealth TT, in the lower right hand corner of the
instrument
>display there is a light that goes on and off, it looks like a
little bird
>cage.  The car did not come with the owners manual, and I searched
the 3S
>backup cd to frustration and no answers.
>
>It comes on more when it is cold outside.  It also comes on when I
hit the
>brakes fairly hard.  Comes on when I am making a fairly tight turn,
usually
>left handed turn.
>
>Can someone please explain what this is and how to fix it?
>
>Thanks
>
>Frank Hayden
>Golden, CO
>92 Stealth R/T TT (106K Miles)
>Completely Stock
>K&N FIPK being contemplated
>
>



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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:57:57 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Jackpoint

Lesse...trailer hitch works well.  (if you have one)

LSD is a winner as well.

:-----Original Message-----
:From: AABOMB1@aol.com [mailto:AABOMB1@aol.com]
:Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:57 PM
:To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
:Subject: Team3S: Rear Jackpoint
:
:
:Hi, I just had a quick and simple question for you all. I just
:wanted to know
:that with the aid of one hydrolic jack and two jack stands,
:how would i lift
:the REAR portion of the car? I need a complete lift in the
:back (i.e. a lift
:high enough to change the wheels, etc..).
:
:Basically, all I want to know is what is the rear jackpoint?
:And is there one
:in the middle so i can lift the whole rear end up (because i
:only have one
:jack).
:
:Thanks - P.S. I would appreaciate it if you could send a copy
:of your reply
:to my e-mail address in case i miss it when i'm looking
:through all the posts.
:
:AA
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:43:52 -0800
From: "Francis Morice" <fas3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation

Frank,

I had the same problem with my 93RT/TT and now my96RT/TT and I believe it to
be your low coolant indicator.  Since I took my 96 out of storage and the
mornings are still pretty cold up here in Minnesota it will come on when I
first fire her up.  After it warms up it no longer lights up.  I would guess
the coolant may need to be topped off, not sure though.

Francis
96 RT/TT 13.13@104.85
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Hayden <frankliz@ix.netcom.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:54 PM
Subject: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation


>
>
> >This is my first question for this list...
> >
> >I have a 92 Stealth TT, in the lower right hand corner of the
> instrument
> >display there is a light that goes on and off, it looks like a
> little bird
> >cage.  The car did not come with the owners manual, and I searched
> the 3S
> >backup cd to frustration and no answers.
> >
> >It comes on more when it is cold outside.  It also comes on when I
> hit the
> >brakes fairly hard.  Comes on when I am making a fairly tight turn,
> usually
> >left handed turn.
> >
> >Can someone please explain what this is and how to fix it?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Frank Hayden
> >Golden, CO
> >92 Stealth R/T TT (106K Miles)
> >Completely Stock
> >K&N FIPK being contemplated
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ***Info:  www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm***
>


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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:52:00 +1300
From: Ryan.Judd@axon.co.nz
Subject: RE: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation

somewhere floating around out there theres a .gif or .bmp file which has a
picture of the dash and a full explanation of what all the lights mean.
somebody must have this locally.



- -----Original Message-----
From: Francis Morice [mailto:fas3@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, 17 March 2000 4:44
To: Frank Hayden; T
Subject: Re: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation


Frank,

I had the same problem with my 93RT/TT and now my96RT/TT and I believe it to
be your low coolant indicator.  Since I took my 96 out of storage and the
mornings are still pretty cold up here in Minnesota it will come on when I
first fire her up.  After it warms up it no longer lights up.  I would guess
the coolant may need to be topped off, not sure though.

Francis
96 RT/TT 13.13@104.85
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Hayden <frankliz@ix.netcom.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:54 PM
Subject: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation


>
>
> >This is my first question for this list...
> >
> >I have a 92 Stealth TT, in the lower right hand corner of the
> instrument
> >display there is a light that goes on and off, it looks like a
> little bird
> >cage.  The car did not come with the owners manual, and I searched
> the 3S
> >backup cd to frustration and no answers.
> >
> >It comes on more when it is cold outside.  It also comes on when I
> hit the
> >brakes fairly hard.  Comes on when I am making a fairly tight turn,
> usually
> >left handed turn.
> >
> >Can someone please explain what this is and how to fix it?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Frank Hayden
> >Golden, CO
> >92 Stealth R/T TT (106K Miles)
> >Completely Stock
> >K&N FIPK being contemplated
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ***Info:  www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm***
>


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:39:15 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear Jackpoint

Rear differential is a jack point.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <AABOMB1@aol.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 6:56 PM
Subject: Team3S: Rear Jackpoint


> Hi, I just had a quick and simple question for you all. I just wanted to
know
> that with the aid of one hydrolic jack and two jack stands, how would i
lift
> the REAR portion of the car? I need a complete lift in the back (i.e. a
lift
> high enough to change the wheels, etc..).
>
> Basically, all I want to know is what is the rear jackpoint? And is there
one
> in the middle so i can lift the whole rear end up (because i only have one
> jack).
>
> Thanks - P.S. I would appreaciate it if you could send a copy of your
reply
> to my e-mail address in case i miss it when i'm looking through all the
posts.
>
> AA
> -------------------
> E-mail: aabomb@thepentagon.com <or> aabomb1@aol.com
> Fax: (707) 982-8817 [In United States]
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:50:18 CST
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation (and idle help)

Hmmm,

How about I answer two questions with one website.  hehe...  The warning
light pic your talking about is Kevin Clark's at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Other_gto_manual.html in section
G.

Also, for the person looking to adjust his BISS idle screw, that would be in
section A in the above link.  Kevin Clark should be getting a big smile on
his face.........

later,
Curt
Come join us at the Upper Midwest Gathering.  Details at:
http://www.mn3s.org/upper-midwest.html


>From: Ryan.Judd@axon.co.nz
>To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation
>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:52:00 +1300
>
>somewhere floating around out there theres a .gif or .bmp file which has a
>picture of the dash and a full explanation of what all the lights mean.
>somebody must have this locally.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Francis Morice [mailto:fas3@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Friday, 17 March 2000 4:44
>To: Frank Hayden; T
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation
>
>
>Frank,
>
>I had the same problem with my 93RT/TT and now my96RT/TT and I believe it
>to
>be your low coolant indicator.  Since I took my 96 out of storage and the
>mornings are still pretty cold up here in Minnesota it will come on when I
>first fire her up.  After it warms up it no longer lights up.  I would
>guess
>the coolant may need to be topped off, not sure though.
>
>Francis
>96 RT/TT 13.13@104.85

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:01:23 EST
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Warning Lights Explanation

It is the coolant level sensor telling you your coolant is slightly low. 
When you hit the brakes or steer hard, the coolant drops in the area of the
sensor.  Just top off your coolant.

Joe 91 TT

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