team3s            Saturday, March 11 2000            Volume 01 : Number 079




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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:41:44 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?

As long as you realise, that after you turn the rotors, they will have a
tendency to warp/shudder quicker, than they did before.



- -----Original Message-----
From: Matthews [mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.vistec.net]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:24 PM
To: Team3S Technical Forum
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?



Thanks to all who responded with input.  A few points of clarification:

I am convinced that the rotors need turning because 1) they shudder when braking
at high speed; 2) the left-rear brake makes an annoying Doom Imp noise under
soft braking, once per wheel revolution; 3) I'm changing pad compounds (Stillen
Metal Matrix -> Mitsu -> Abex -> Porterfield).

None of the rotors are heavily grooved, and the fronts were turned 30k miles ago
(only a tiny bit was removed from the surface to remove slight warpage since I
wasn't certain cutting was even permitted at all in Germany at that point).  As
I said in my previous post, I am surprised at the expense (Extreme Motorsports
charged me far less), but new rotors are at least three times as much so turning
seems like the way to go at this point.

Changing the pads is easy and is something I have done several times now (after
Roger showed me the first time).  I also have two speed bleeders (not installed
yet) and know that partially bleeding the system is not difficult.  However, I
currently have a mix of stock (DOT 4, I guess) and DOT 5.1 synthetic brake fluid
in the system and would feel more comfortable if everything were flushed and
replaced (though maybe not $250 more comfortable).  My understanding is that a
full flush allows air into the system and I'm not sure how to handle that.

So, that's the deal.  I'm still looking at a pricey rotor turning, but I'll
cancel the bleed portion if folks think it's not worth it (or if Roger and I can
knock it out).

-Jim

P.S.- Next on the agenda: install 1G BPV and figure out why the car is wallowing
in curves.

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Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
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K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Abex metallic brake pads, custom braided brake lines
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G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:49:15 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: 9.4 sec 1/4 mile 3000GT!

And it isn't even a VR4!  I know I'm not supposed to post things like this, but
I just ran across this add in http://www.autotrader.com/

                   1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT
                                   One of a kind monster! Rocket-assisted drag
                                   racer. Completely STREET-LEGAL. This bad boy
                                   does 9.4 seconds in the 1/4mile! Blood Red
with
                                   Tan bird leather. Custom designed aluminum
                                   racing engine done by GT Pro. Won many
awards.
                                   Must See to beleive the rocket thrust!
Selling
                                   cause wife says I love it more than her!
color:
                                   Blood red
                                   Color: Blood red
                                   58000 miles, $19069
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Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:52:48 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?

Jim, DANGER! - DANGER! - DANGER!
I don't believe that you can mix DOT 4 & 5.
If I recall, mixing these two it can cause a disaster.
Check the brands to see if they were compatible or IMMEDIATELY get the system
flushed "Regardless of cost." Maybe others on our list can tell you for sure
on the compatibility of DOT 4 & DOT 5?
At Autobahn speeds I would not even drive the car until this problem is cured.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 03/10/2000 4:38:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
matthews@wiesbaden.vistec.net writes:

<<  However, I
currently have a mix of stock (DOT 4, I guess) and DOT 5.1 synthetic brake
fluid
in the system and would feel more comfortable if everything were flushed and
replaced (though maybe not $250 more comfortable).  My understanding is that
a
full flush allows air into the system and I'm not sure how to handle that.
  >>

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:02:35 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: 9.4 sec 1/4 mile 3000GT!

Ken, this is a phony ad. If GT Pro had a customer's car go 9.4 seconds we
would have been Emailed.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 03/10/2000 5:50:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com writes:

<< Subj:     Team3S: 9.4 sec 1/4 mile 3000GT!
Date:  03/10/2000 5:50:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:  Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com (Ken Middaugh)
Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
To:    Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st (Team3S)

And it isn't even a VR4!  I know I'm not supposed to post things like this,
but
I just ran across this add in http://www.autotrader.com/

                       1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT
                                    One of a kind monster! Rocket-assisted
drag
                                    racer. Completely STREET-LEGAL. This bad
boy
                                    does 9.4 seconds in the 1/4mile! Blood Red
with
                                    Tan bird leather. Custom designed aluminum
                                    racing engine done by GT Pro. Won many
awards.
                                    Must See to beleive the rocket thrust!
Selling
                                    cause wife says I love it more than her!
color:
                                    Blood red
                                    Color: Blood red
                                    58000 miles, $19069
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If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!

Ken  >>

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:08:13 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?

- -----Original Message-----From: Aso8@aol.com <Aso8@aol.com>

>Jim, DANGER! - DANGER! - DANGER!
>I don't believe that you can mix DOT 4 & 5.
>If I recall, mixing these two it can cause a disaster.
>Check the brands to see if they were compatible or IMMEDIATELY get
the system
>flushed "Regardless of cost." Maybe others on our list can tell you
for sure
>on the compatibility of DOT 4 & DOT 5?
>At Autobahn speeds I would not even drive the car until this
problem is cured.
>Arty 91 VR-4


Hey, Jim,

Arty is right.  Whenever you mix two dissimilar fluids that move
around, you create foam...  As in AIR.  You'll have to bleed the
brakes a dozen times (after the car has been off for a while, but
still slightly warm, ideally...), and you probably still won't get
rid of all of it.  Do the flush and be safe.  It forces any foam out
of the lines and leaves pure brake fluid.

Best,

Forrest



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Date: 10 Mar 00 15:24:33 PST
From: Gil Lee <gil_lee@usa.net>
Subject: Team3S: blown oil filter gasket

Ok, the gasket has blown out 3 times in the last week.

They don't think it's related to increasing the boost via the AVCR,  but may
be related to the oil pump pressure release valve.  I notice when it runs, it
seems to run fine and the gasket will break after a few days, however, the oil
level gauge seems to be hanging a bit higher than normal (slightly above the
mid mark) most of the time.

Any thoughts?


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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:46:26 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?

You can mix dot 3/4/5.1 however, slight difference.

5.1 Good
5.0 Bad.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 2:53 PM
To: matthews@wiesbaden.vistec.net; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?


Jim, DANGER! - DANGER! - DANGER!
I don't believe that you can mix DOT 4 & 5.
If I recall, mixing these two it can cause a disaster.
Check the brands to see if they were compatible or IMMEDIATELY get the system
flushed "Regardless of cost." Maybe others on our list can tell you for sure
on the compatibility of DOT 4 & DOT 5?
At Autobahn speeds I would not even drive the car until this problem is cured.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 03/10/2000 4:38:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
matthews@wiesbaden.vistec.net writes:

<<  However, I
currently have a mix of stock (DOT 4, I guess) and DOT 5.1 synthetic brake
fluid
in the system and would feel more comfortable if everything were flushed and
replaced (though maybe not $250 more comfortable).  My understanding is that
a
full flush allows air into the system and I'm not sure how to handle that.
  >>

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:26:43 -0500
From: "WALTER D. BEST" <WDBO39@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 9.4 sec 1/4 mile 3000GT!, no way; but how about 6.5 sec 1/4 mile Stealth...Real thing

OK Brain has address this on the 3Si.org BB, here is what he had to say:
Ridiculous joke.. Someone with toooooo much time on their hands, per Brain
himself.

But wait there is more; (I watch too much Autoweek on Speedvision) There is
for REAL a 94 Stealth that will do the quarter in ready for this ....... 6.5
seconds with a final sped of 215 mph, so much for the slow 9.4 sec quarter.

This occurred at 1994 at the Winternational at Darlington, South Carolina.
The 1994 Stealth Bomber was driven by Bunny Burkett, (yes the former Playboy
bunny turned drag racer- who better to race one of our cars).   It was the
first IHRA event of the season in March 1994.  Here is a web link too read
about it: http://www.woodbridgedynotech.com/car/index.htm, go into cars
galore.  It may not load completely the first just hit reload.  This car was
also written up in Mopar Performance News March 1994 -Featured Article!!!
I'd love to get a copy of that.

I though you guys might enjoy this one,

Dave Best


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Aso8@aol.com>
To: <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Cc: <Aso8@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: 9.4 sec 1/4 mile 3000GT!


> Ken, this is a phony ad. If GT Pro had a customer's car go 9.4 seconds we
> would have been Emailed.
> Arty 91 VR-4
>
> In a message dated 03/10/2000 5:50:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com writes:
>
> << Subj:     Team3S: 9.4 sec 1/4 mile 3000GT!
>  Date:  03/10/2000 5:50:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
>  From:  Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com (Ken Middaugh)
>  Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>  To:    Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st (Team3S)
>
>  And it isn't even a VR4!  I know I'm not supposed to post things like
this,
> but
>  I just ran across this add in http://www.autotrader.com/
>
>                        1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT
>                                     One of a kind monster! Rocket-assisted
> drag
>                                     racer. Completely STREET-LEGAL. This
bad
> boy
>                                     does 9.4 seconds in the 1/4mile! Blood
Red
>  with
>                                     Tan bird leather. Custom designed
aluminum
>                                     racing engine done by GT Pro. Won many
>  awards.
>                                     Must See to beleive the rocket thrust!
>  Selling
>                                     cause wife says I love it more than
her!
>  color:
>                                     Blood red
>                                     Color: Blood red
>                                     58000 miles, $19069
>  --
>  If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!
>
>  Ken  >>
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:22:00 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?

DOT 4 and DOT 5 are not compatible but DOT 4 and DOT 5.1 are. Of course a total
replacement is always the best choice. We exchanged almost every fluid out of
Jims car when we did the brake lines. He's not runnign on a mixture  unless he
put some DOT 4 into the Castrol SRS DOT 5.1. But this is not a problem.

> If I recall, mixing these two it can cause a disaster.
> Check the brands to see if they were compatible or IMMEDIATELY get the system
> flushed "Regardless of cost." Maybe others on our list can tell you for sure
> on the compatibility of DOT 4 & DOT 5?

Roger
93'3000GT TT



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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:26:21 PST
From: "john Gunmann" <jgunmann@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: ECS light flashing..need help

Hello All, please help..
a week ago my "TOUR/SPORT" lights started flashing indicating a problem with
the ECS.  The trouble code I retrieved was 62, for the Left Front Strut. The
connector between the main harness, and the strut was replaced last May by
AutoNation when I bought the car.  It does not look identical to the one on
the right strut, so it might be aftermarket.  Anyway, I checked the output
from the strut plug per the manual instructions, and didn't find anything
conclusive.  I reset the ECS control and the lights would stop blinking for
awhile sometimes.  A couple days later, it worked fine/stayed in "TOUR" mode
for about 20 miles, then went to flashing & "SPORT" mode.
Do you have any similar experiences? Suggestions on where/what & how to
check?  I plan on getting a genuine connector & putting that on, but for my
own peace of mind would like to diagnose the problem & not just replace
parts until the symptoms disappear.
TIA
John
93rttt
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:30:13 EST
From: MerisaPDX@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: computer for 1991 stealth RT non Turbo

HELP!!!!  I am the lady that sumrged her stealth a few weeks ago and ruined
the engine.  The new motor is in and runs great, that is until the computer
warms up.  I also drowned the computer so I need a good used one, rebuilt or
new one.  Please Please help me.

Merrrisa

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:11:32 -0600
From: "Craig Hodges" <chodges@texas.net>
Subject: Team3S: Looking for 1999 VR4 for sale

I would like to buy a '99 VR-4.  Does anyone know of any available cars new
or used in the US?

Thanks
Craig

reply to:   chodges@texas.net


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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:30:24 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: Team3S: VR4 weight

Does anyone know what the absolute lightest anyone has race-stripped a VR4 to
including cage?

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:29:32 -0600
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4 weight

A couple of years ago someone (Jack T? or Bob Fontana?)  posted a list of
the weight of various parts that could be removed in the interest of weight
reduction.  If someone has this list I'd like to see it posted again.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT

> Does anyone know what the absolute lightest anyone has race-stripped a VR4
to
> including cage?
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:36:02 -0600
From: "Trevor L. James" <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4 weight

My car's relatively light from the factory. I weighed it a couple weeks ago at
the track and it weighed in at 3615 lbs with the spare, jack, and toolkit in the
car and 1/4 tank of gas. I do have gutted pre-cats, an ATR downpipe with no main
cat, and a Borla Catback. Probably save 40lbs there. With no spare or gas I can
get it down to 3550lbs. That's without a cage though...On a side note, does
anyone know what the stock 18" chrome rims weigh. I was thinking that might be a
good place to loose some poundage.

Trevor
96 R/T TT
12.687@108.44 w/1.924 60'
91 Octane, original clutch and tires, $1550 in HP mods
92 GMC Typhoon

"Mohler, Jeff" wrote:

> Does anyone know what the absolute lightest anyone has race-stripped a VR4 to
> including cage?
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:35:24 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Looking for 1999 VR4 for sale

- -----Original Message-----From: Craig Hodges <chodges@texas.net>

>I would like to buy a '99 VR-4.  Does anyone know of any available
cars new
>or used in the US?
>Thanks
>Craig


www.autotrader.com

I checked  recently to see if any S/3k's were for sale within 200
miles of the San
Francisco area.  I found 27 Stealths and 52 3000GTs in all years and
flavors.  Lots of private sellers.  Good fast site...

Best,

Forrest



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