team3s             Friday, March 10 2000             Volume 01 : Number 078




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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:28:38 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Off-Topic: WAS- Hate to say it...

- -----Original Message-----From: TrAmSoOtRu@aol.com
<TrAmSoOtRu@aol.com>
>Me and my stealth are about to part paths as it has been a hassle
for the
>latter part of a year.  I'm gonna miss her. So, with me being a
non-stealth
>owner anymore.. I guess I need to get off the list... Can anyone
tell me how?
>THanks..
>Tram

Errrr.........  Ever read the line at the bottom of every post?  :-)
The Rules Page has everything you need to know...

Good luck, Tram!


Best,

Forrest



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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:52:05 -0800
From: Dan Jett <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW:  APEX AVCR DEAL !!!!!!!!

I'm interested...Tell me where to send the check!!!

DJ
94 Stealth TT

Daniel Jett
djett@corp.ultratech.com
408-325-6187
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:06:25 -0700
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: APEX AVCR DEAL !!!!!!!!

PLEASE READ THE MESSAGE!!!

It says "please reply privately to Mark Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>"

I am not Mark!  Don't just click reply!


Dave

95 Black 3000GT VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
- --------

+>
+> This came across the starnet list last week..  I replied to Mark and
+> he asked if I'd post it here in case others were interested.
+>
+> please reply privately to Mark Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
+>
+>
+> Dave
+>
+> 95 Black 3000GT VR4
+> 87 Mica Red GTI G60
+>
+> ------- Forwarded Message
+> From: Mark Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
+> Reply-To: hindelan@pilot.msu.edu
+> Subject: APEX AVCR DEAL !!!!!!!!
+>
+> Im working with an Apex special dealer right now, and he wanted me to
+> post on the list this SIMPLE Question.. all i need is 10 people to say
+> yes, or be interested, and then i need to get your info and then ill
+> send it to my dealer agent, and he will get in touch with you... so if
+> you ARE interested then please reply privately to me..
+>
+>
+> The question is :
+>
+> " Whose Interested in Buying an APEX AVC-R for $399 w/Free shipping in
+> USA?
+>
+>
+> thanks guys.


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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:28:07 -0800
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@tgn.net>
Subject: Team3S: AutoX Saturday

Mostly off topic..but..

SCCA AutoX on Saturday at Oakland Stadium, please email pvtly if you
wanna tag along.


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:54:25 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: Team3S: Attn:  All VR4 owners that like to break Tranny's

Well, I am now in the towing business on the beach here in SPI, TX.
Anyways, For me, it's only for fun, but you have to have a towing permit
here (only 5 available, and I got one)  And I was talking with one of the
other guys that tow about what works and what doesn't on the beach.  Of
course, big tires work.  Everyone knows that.  One warning I was given was
that if we went with huge tires, we had a good chance of breaking trannys
and transfer cases.  I then realized that maybe ll the vr-4 people are going
about this the wrong way.  Why not put as small as possible tires and wheels
on a vr-4 to minimize torque to the drivetrain.

Think about - the math works (I don't feel like actually showing it, but
someone feel free to)

If you want to accelerate at a certain rate, you have to apply torque to the
axle correct?  If you have larger tires, you have to apply more torque to
that same axle, putting more stress on the transaxle.  So go to smaller
tires & you have to apply less torque to accelerate at the same rate.

Cody


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:58:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Attn:  All VR4 owners that like to break Tranny's

..or just dont be silly and install a clutch thats stronger than your
drivetrain.

Bad drivers break things, not necessarily bad equipment choice.

On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, cody wrote:

> Well, I am now in the towing business on the beach here in SPI, TX.
> Anyways, For me, it's only for fun, but you have to have a towing permit
> here (only 5 available, and I got one)  And I was talking with one of the
> other guys that tow about what works and what doesn't on the beach.  Of
> course, big tires work.  Everyone knows that.  One warning I was given was
> that if we went with huge tires, we had a good chance of breaking trannys
> and transfer cases.  I then realized that maybe ll the vr-4 people are going
> about this the wrong way.  Why not put as small as possible tires and wheels
> on a vr-4 to minimize torque to the drivetrain.
>
> Think about - the math works (I don't feel like actually showing it, but
> someone feel free to)
>
> If you want to accelerate at a certain rate, you have to apply torque to the
> axle correct?  If you have larger tires, you have to apply more torque to
> that same axle, putting more stress on the transaxle.  So go to smaller
> tires & you have to apply less torque to accelerate at the same rate.
>
> Cody
>
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:15:41 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: APEX AVCR DEAL !!!!!!!!

Before anyone sends money to anyone else, I highly recommend you have the
name, telephone numebr and business address of the vendor so you can follow
up or even find out if they are reputable.

I got burned on a Ground Control group purchase through a similar sort of
deal, and I actually did follow the precautions.  Without the information
though, you have little to go on.  Buyer beware.


Barry

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: APEX AVCR DEAL !!!!!!!!
> +>
> +> This came across the starnet list last week..  I replied to Mark and
> +> he asked if I'd post it here in case others were interested.
> +>
> +> please reply privately to Mark Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
> +>
> +>
> +> Dave
> +>
> +> 95 Black 3000GT VR4
> +> 87 Mica Red GTI G60
> +>
> +> ------- Forwarded Message
> +> From: Mark Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
> +> Reply-To: hindelan@pilot.msu.edu
> +> Subject: APEX AVCR DEAL !!!!!!!!
> +>
> +> Im working with an Apex special dealer right now, and he wanted me to
> +> post on the list this SIMPLE Question.. all i need is 10 people to say
> +> yes, or be interested, and then i need to get your info and then ill
> +> send it to my dealer agent, and he will get in touch with you... so if
> +> you ARE interested then please reply privately to me..
> +>
> +>
> +> The question is :
> +>
> +> " Whose Interested in Buying an APEX AVC-R for $399 w/Free shipping in
> +> USA?
> +>
> +>
> +> thanks guys.



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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:24:52 EST
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Turbo Oil Feed Lines

Has anyone ever changed the oil and/or water lines for the turbos?  I bought
the lines some time ago because I wanted to change them.  However, it seems
impossible to change them without removing a whole lot of engine components. 

Joe 91 TT

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:46:53 -0500
From: "John T. Christian" <jczoom@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!

Hi all,

Congrats to you ol'poop.   Now how about meeting up at Putnam Park on
May 20&21.  We can do a Father/Son high speed driving school with the
Buckeye chapter BMWCCA.  Its near Indy which is probably closer to you.

We'll put those bimmers to shame with our BIG REDS.

Hey CODY,

Look at one of my webpages and click on Porsche Brakes to see just how
BIG the BIG REDS are.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/4538/secrets.html


Be of good cheer
John

Merritt wrote:
>
>
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- --
JCZoooM  93 TT 12.46@109Mph   Now with Porsche brakes & Supra rotors
Email---> JCZooM@iname.com 
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:56:55 -0500
From: "John T. Christian" <jczoom@geocities.com>
Subject: Team3S: BIG REDS & Putnam

Hi Rich,


Are you using your stock rotors??  If so you'll see a noticable decrease
in those nasty heat cracks.  You'll still get them, but they won't be as
bad.  I went to the Porsche dealer and did some measurements on the
real  993 TT rotor.  It is a two piece for $200.  Their hub and bolt
pattern is different, but I'm sure I can build a hat to fit our hub and
their rotor.  That's a project for this season.  But then again, the
Supra rotor is only $52, is directional, well vented and just a tad
larger than our stock '94.


Great.  We can't mail in the registration BEFORE March 30, so send me
your snailmail address and I'll send you the application and the bimmer
info.

cost is $240BMW  or @$275 non-member.

If you are not a member, I'd suggest you join as you get a great
magazine, schedule of ALL events, and a price reduction of almost the
cost of membership.  I usually do several bimmer events each year so the
membership is cost effective.  Goto www.BMWCCA.org

BTW Liz Lutes is the contact.  I've had dinner with her and her husband
many times.   In fact she owes me a ride in her car.

Be of good cheer
John



>Putnam May 20&21.  We can do a Father/Son high speed driving school with the
>Buckeye chapter BMWCCA.  Its near Indy which is probably closer to you.\

Sounds good. Got a contact for the Buckeye chapter? I can't speak for my
son, but I'd like to go.

Rich/old poop
- --
JCZoooM  93 TT 12.46@109Mph   Now with Porsche brakes & Supra rotors
Email---> JCZooM@iname.com 
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:29:48 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo Oil Feed Lines

It is possible to remove the oil and water lines to the turbos....you just
have a couple of blind connections that you'll disconnect by feel and not by
sight.   I'm not sure that they can be removed without removing the turbos
though.  I am on my second turbo swap and have changed the oil lines each
time.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth


- ----- Original Message -----
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:24 PM
Subject: Team3S: Turbo Oil Feed Lines


Has anyone ever changed the oil and/or water lines for the turbos?  I bought
the lines some time ago because I wanted to change them.  However, it seems
impossible to change them without removing a whole lot of engine components.

Joe 91 TT

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:37:33 -0800
From: "Mohler,Anissa" <Anissa.Mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: Team3S: Porterfields and Wheels

Hey all...

As a anniversary present I'm sending my husband to the Thunderhill Street School
this April. In order to do the school we need to get some new break pads and
rotors for the front of my '95 VR4. Everyone seems to be agreed that
Porterfields are the way to go... does anyone know of a Bay Area dealer that we
can get them from quickly? If not, who is the best mail order retailer to buy
them from?

Second... does anyone have a set of 17" VR4 rims (not bent) that we could borrow
for the weekend? (No I'm serious!) You'd have to be in the Bay Area to make this
work... but maybe even do a weekend swap. We've got 18x10 tires on my 18" wheels
and the tread is good, but I don't want to use up the tread I've got and have to
spend the money to buy a new set of tires any sooner than absolutely necessary.
We can get a set of 17" A032Rs rather inexpensively, but don't have the unbent
wheels to put them on!

Those that may be interested in the Street School. This is an SCCA sanctioned
school run on the SCCA's Thunderhill course. The next Street School is April
29th. Its only $175 for the entire day. The URL is
http://www.thunderhill.com/school.html

If anyone would like to meet up let us know. As of yesterday there were some
spots left.

Thanks in advance!

Nissa
'95 VR-4

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:49:33 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfields and Wheels

Hi Nissa,

> As a anniversary present I'm sending my husband to the Thunderhill Street School
> this April. In order to do the school we need to get some new break pads and
> rotors for the front of my '95 VR4. Everyone seems to be agreed that
> Porterfields are the way to go... does anyone know of a Bay Area dealer that we
> can get them from quickly? If not, who is the best mail order retailer to buy
> them from?

Nice present!  Just go to http://www.porterfieldbrakes.com.  Get the
cryogenically treated rotors.  The treatment takes a few days so the complete
turnaround time is almost a couple of weeks.

John Christian highly recommends track pads for the track.  If you do the BBQ
treatment, they should last a few events.

Have fun,
Ken
- --
If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:24:15 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.vistec.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?

Thanks to all who responded with input.  A few points of clarification:

I am convinced that the rotors need turning because 1) they shudder when braking
at high speed; 2) the left-rear brake makes an annoying Doom Imp noise under
soft braking, once per wheel revolution; 3) I'm changing pad compounds (Stillen
Metal Matrix -> Mitsu -> Abex -> Porterfield).

None of the rotors are heavily grooved, and the fronts were turned 30k miles ago
(only a tiny bit was removed from the surface to remove slight warpage since I
wasn't certain cutting was even permitted at all in Germany at that point).  As
I said in my previous post, I am surprised at the expense (Extreme Motorsports
charged me far less), but new rotors are at least three times as much so turning
seems like the way to go at this point.

Changing the pads is easy and is something I have done several times now (after
Roger showed me the first time).  I also have two speed bleeders (not installed
yet) and know that partially bleeding the system is not difficult.  However, I
currently have a mix of stock (DOT 4, I guess) and DOT 5.1 synthetic brake fluid
in the system and would feel more comfortable if everything were flushed and
replaced (though maybe not $250 more comfortable).  My understanding is that a
full flush allows air into the system and I'm not sure how to handle that.

So, that's the deal.  I'm still looking at a pricey rotor turning, but I'll
cancel the bleed portion if folks think it's not worth it (or if Roger and I can
knock it out).

-Jim

P.S.- Next on the agenda: install 1G BPV and figure out why the car is wallowing
in curves.

- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.vistec.net (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.vistec.net/~matthews

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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Abex metallic brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque


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