team3s
Thursday, March 9
2000
Volume 01 : Number
077
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Date:
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:12:07 -0800
From: "Sandie Morrison" <
sandie@netst.com>
Subject: Team3S: Used
SL vs. a used VR4 w/Extended Warrantee
Hi Folks,
I'm trying to
make up my mind on whether to buy a used SL or a used VR4. A
friend of mine
who owns a mechanic shop is warning me to stay away from the
VR4s due to
repair costs. However, I'm thinking I'll find a good extended
warrantee and
buy a VR4 anyway. :)
So, does anyone have any personal recommendations on
companies that offer
extended warrantees? And any comments on spending more
money for an older
car just for another 100 HP?
If I get the SL, my
friend says I can get a computer upgrade and maybe get
another 20-30 HP out
of the engine. True?
Also, I still need to check on insurance costs
between the two models.
Another alternative is to get a newer VR4 with less
chance of repairs.
However, here in Southern California, the major
depreciation on the VR4s
seems to stop around the '94 to '93 models. If I buy
one any newer, I'm
looking at loosing up to $6,000 a year in depreciation
alone (money which I
would rather spend vacationing in Europe with my wife
and kids).
- -Mike Morrison
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Date:
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:31:48 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <
MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Used SL vs. a used VR4 w/Extended Warrantee
>So, does anyone
have any personal recommendations on companies that offer
>extended
warrantees? And any comments on spending more money for an older
>car just
for another 100 HP?
You get more than 100HP with the VR4. You get
all-wheel-drive, all-wheel-steering, nicer wheels (although your opinion may
vary), a functional rear spoiler, automatic climate control (not sure if that
came on the SL or not), electronically-controlled suspension, and the requisite
higher insurance.
>If I get the SL, my friend says I can get a
computer upgrade and maybe get
>another 20-30 HP out of the engine.
True?
Doubtful that you would see that much increase. Also, since
it is a FWD car, torque steer increases with the amount of HP you put to the
front wheels. If you did get a computer upgrade, keep in mind that the
prices run in the $800-1000 range for the modification - which would narrow the
price gap between the SL and VR4.
You just have to decide what you want
out of the car. Do you want a nice car with reasonable performance, or do
you want a pavement-scorching sportscar? For not much money you can get
another 40-50HP out of the VR4 as well (manual or electronic boost
controller).
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date:
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:43:14 -0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Used SL vs. a used VR4 w/Extended Warrantee
#I'm trying to make
up my mind on whether to buy a used SL or a used VR4. A
#friend of mine who
owns a mechanic shop is warning me to stay away from the
#VR4s due to repair
costs. However, I'm thinking I'll find a good extended
#warrantee and buy a
VR4 anyway. :)
#So, does anyone have any personal recommendations on
companies that offer
#extended warrantees? And any comments on spending more
money for an older
#car just for another 100 HP?
This all depends on
the owner. I am definitely not satisifed with the stock
powre of a SL,
but I am not satisfied with the stock power of a VR-4 either.
I own a SL, and
am very proud of it 99% of the time. it's that 1% where new
T/A's and
such want to race, and I have to resort to Nitrous Oxide to win.
I'd rather
not, but whatever it takes. NOS also isn't for many people.
There is no
good computer upgrade for the 3/S, unless you wanna spend $1000
or more, then
benefits are marginal at best on a stock car.
#If I get the SL, my friend
says I can get a computer upgrade and maybe get
#another 20-30 HP out of the
engine. True?
Although some will differ, insurance is undoubtedly higher
on a vr-4 than a
SL...
#Also, I still need to check on insurance costs
between the two models.
#Another alternative is to get a newer VR4 with less
chance of repairs.
#However, here in Southern California, the major
depreciation on the VR4s
#seems to stop around the '94 to '93 models. If I
buy one any newer, I'm
#looking at loosing up to $6,000 a year in
depreciation alone (money which I
#would rather spend vacationing in Europe
with my wife and kids).
The Getrag Transmissions are the biggest cause of
failure in the '91-'93
models. Buy a '94 VR-4 if possible - oldest,
cheapest, best reliability.
You should be able to get a '94 VR-4 for 15-22
thousand - big spread, but it
depends on your area. Or you can save
money, buy a '92/'93 and save the
extra money for potential repair
costs.
Cody
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:15:23 -0600
From: Jim Wiseman <
jim.wiseman@wcom.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Turbo Replacement
I just talked to the shop looking at a
particularly bad case of 'turbo-whine
turned turbo screech' that I have on my
'92 Dodge Stealth Twin Turbo. I
really thought it was only the rear
turbo but they said the oil supply lines
to both turbos were nearly
completely clogged up and both turbos are bad.
The car has 82k miles on it;
I've only had it 6 months. It ran fine until
the thermostat stuck closed on
it a couple of months ago, that's when the
whine started.
They are
going to do some more inspection to see if they think an engine
flush might
be necessary to get rid of any potentially turbo-destroying
carbon flakes.
They said they drain and replace the oil and filter and add
some strong
chemicals. They run the car for an hour then repeat the process
of draining
and replacing the oil, filter and chemicals and run it another
hour. Finally
they replace the oil and filter, run it and drain it and
replace oil and
filter again. They get $70 for this which seems like cheap
insurance
but, always a but, he says sometimes when all that carbon breaks
loose you
can end up with an engine that now burns oil (i.e. a smoker).
Has anyone
else had any experience with this that can offer some advice
and/or
warnings?
Thanks,
Jim
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:19:20 -0800
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@tgn.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Turbo Replacement
Replacing the oil feed/drain lines is a _very_ prudent
thing to do when you
change turbos..much more when you toast one.
Its
worth the extra money.
Jim Wiseman wrote:
> I just talked to
the shop looking at a particularly bad case of 'turbo-whine
> turned turbo
screech' that I have on my '92 Dodge Stealth Twin Turbo. I
> really
thought it was only the rear turbo but they said the oil supply lines
> to
both turbos were nearly completely clogged up and both turbos are bad.
>
The car has 82k miles on it; I've only had it 6 months. It ran fine
until
> the thermostat stuck closed on it a couple of months ago, that's
when the
> whine started.
>
> They are going to do some more
inspection to see if they think an engine
> flush might be necessary to
get rid of any potentially turbo-destroying
> carbon flakes. They said
they drain and replace the oil and filter and add
> some strong chemicals.
They run the car for an hour then repeat the process
> of draining and
replacing the oil, filter and chemicals and run it another
> hour. Finally
they replace the oil and filter, run it and drain it and
> replace oil and
filter again. They get $70 for this which seems like cheap
>
insurance but, always a but, he says sometimes when all that carbon
breaks
> loose you can end up with an engine that now burns oil (i.e. a
smoker).
>
> Has anyone else had any experience with this that can
offer some advice
> and/or warnings?
>
>
Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:32:09 -0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
Hey gang:
We spent the morning
installing a set of new Porsche Brembo Big Red
calipers (same as on a Porsche
Turbo -- the biggest calipers made for a
street vehicle), Pagid pads, and a
set of stainless steel brake lines
(front and rear) on my 94 VR4. I bought
the kit from Brad Bedell, and it
goes on very easily. Every part needed is
supplied, and everything fits
like a glove.
Now that I see how easy
it was to install, I see that I coulda done it
myself over a weekend. But, as
I always do, I took it down to my trusty
brake & suspension shop --
Denny's Muffler in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. My guy
took three hours, but that was
because he was being methodical and
meticulous. It looks like it could be a
two-hour job, if you were in a big
hurry.
I don't want to make our
German friends gag, but the entire labor cost for
this -- involving three
hours labor to remove the old calipers and brake
lines, install the new
Porsche calipers and pads up front, install the new
stainless steel lines on
all four wheels, and bleed the entire system TWICE
(once to just get all the
air out, and the second time to bleed in the
correct factory sequence) -- a
project that in Germany probably would cost
US$750.00-$1,000 -- was -- are
you ready?--
...Europeans are not going to believe
this...
$126 (includes tax).
You folks on the coasts can eat
your hearts out, too.
Not only that, it was done RIGHT.
BTW, if anyone
in Illinois, Iowa, Missouri or Wisconsin needs brake,
suspension or alignment
work done on a Stealth or VR4, you can't find a
better, more reasonable place
than Denny's (319/363-5245 ask for Mike or
Shelby). They've practiced enough
on mine. Besides, they seem to enjoy
working on the car. And they let you
watch and kibitz.
I haven't bedded in the pads yet, so I haven't really
gotten on the binders
with gusto. Therefore, I can't tell any difference yet.
But I will. Bedding
them in requires three stops from 90 mph and three stops
from 110. Hi,
officer.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/I think maybe THESE will
stop me.
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:01:06 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
> We spent the morning installing a
set of new Porsche Brembo Big Red
> calipers (same as on a Porsche Turbo
-- the biggest calipers made for a
Congratulations Rich. I'm
envious.
> I haven't bedded in the pads yet, so I haven't really
gotten on the binders
> with gusto. Therefore, I can't tell any difference
yet. But I will. Bedding
> them in requires three stops from 90 mph and
three stops from 110. Hi,
> officer.
Bedding requires several days
of driving around normally, or even easy on the
brakes. Outgassing
requires the high speed stops AFTER they are bedded.
However, the BBQ method
for outgassing the pads is highly recommended. John
Christian reports a
very noticible increase in pad life (on the race track) due
to the BBQ
method.
Have fun!
- --
If you're not the lead car, your view never
changes!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San
Diego
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Date:
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:21:54 -0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@flash.net>
Subject: Team3S:
RE: [stealth] My Big Reds are ON!
Awesome, I wish I could afford that
kit. Anyways, what about size fitment
and rotors? What rotors did
you use, and how big are the calipers. In
other words, we need to see
what wheels will fit over them, so that others
considering a wheel upgrade
may have more options if going with the Brembo
calipers now. Do they
stick out as far?
Cody
#Hey gang:
#
#We spent the
morning installing a set of new Porsche Brembo Big Red
#calipers (same as on
a Porsche Turbo -- the biggest calipers made
#for a street vehicle), Pagid
pads, and a set of stainless steel
#brake lines (front and rear) on my 94
VR4. I bought the kit from
#Brad Bedell, and it goes on very easily. Every
part needed is
#supplied, and everything fits like a
glove.
##
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:49:35 -0800
From: Dan Jett <
djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
Very cool, indeed....I'm curious, what
was the total cost of this setup? Does Brad intend to make these
available?
Dan J
94 Stealth TT, (could use some new
brakes!)
Daniel Jett
djett@corp.ultratech.com408-325-6187
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:47:09 -0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
At 02:49 PM 3/8/00 -0800, Dan Jett
wrote:
>Very cool, indeed....I'm curious, what was the total cost of this
setup?
Does Brad intend to make these available?
>
Dan:
Please
check with Brad at
bbedell@amiltx.comor see his web site
at
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/vr4pics.htmRich
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Date:
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:11:01 +0100
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
> calipers (same as on a Porsche Turbo --
the biggest calipers made for a
> street vehicle)
In its case size
yes, but not in pad and piston size. You know that there
are calipers with
six pistons. The less the mass on the struts the better !!
> I don't
want to make our German friends gag, but the entire labor cost for
> this
-- involving three hours labor
Aha, ok, three hours .... I change the
rotors on both sides in 30 minutes
;-)
> ...Europeans are not going
to believe this...
> $126 (includes tax).
With the current exchange
rate it is really good ... but as you said ... I
do it myself :-) ... no
cost, LOL.
> I haven't bedded in the pads yet, so I haven't really
gotten on the
binders
> with gusto. Therefore, I can't tell any
difference yet. But I will.
Bedding
> them in requires three stops from
90 mph and three stops from 110. Hi,
> officer.
And what rotors do
you use ?? You probably forget that you used other pads
on these rotors and
the bedding and seasoning procedure will take longer
(several miles of
driving). If you don't do this right, you'll have warped
rotors damn quick
!!
Have fun
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:08:00 -0800
From: Errin Humphrey <
errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wheels
smii wrote:
> Does anybody Know how much the
stock wheel on an 91RT/TT
> weighs? They are not chrome plated.
I
think I remember people weighing them in at
about 29-30 lbs each.
>
I was also thinking of perchasing a set of 18 inch RacingHart C-5 wheels
>
But I don"t know if they clear the brake calipers, not to mention that
I
> can't find what offsets they offer.
> If anyone can help me in
these matters, it would be very apperciated.
Choice of wheel width will
be important. The only
person I know of who has these wheels on his
car
is Matt Meyer of Accelerated Accessories. He did
19 x 8.5's in
front and 19 x 9.5's in rear. However,
I think he might also have
upgraded front calipers on
his car which would give him more clearance.
I sent
him an email asking which offset he used, but I didn't
get a
response (as usual).
18" C5's are offered in 9" width so that
should be
your best bet. I'm pretty sure that all their wheel
widths
are offered in a "high disk offset" which would
be designated by an
"H" following the offset. This is
what you would want to go
with. It would probably
be listed as 41H or 44H, and it is intended for
big
caliper cars. (Note: the increased clearance comes
from a lower
lip width.)
I don't know the exact offsets that they offer.
Just
keep in mind that the lower offset is always the safer
bet, but if
you go too low the rims will be sticking
out. Here's the webpage for
the wheels, and I'm sure
if you call the number they can give you more
specifics.
http://www.dazzmotorsports.com/racinghartc5.aspGood
luck! Let us know what works!
-
--Errin
Seattle
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Date:
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:14:02 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <
bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
Actually a better email to reach me is
bbedell@austin.rr.comI try to
limit the use of email at work.
Brad
Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
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From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st[
mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:47 PM
To: Dan Jett;
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.comCc:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
At 02:49 PM 3/8/00 -0800, Dan Jett
wrote:
>Very cool, indeed....I'm curious, what was the total cost of this
setup?
Does Brad intend to make these available?
>
Dan:
Please
check with Brad at
bbedell@amiltx.comor see his web site
at
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/vr4pics.htmRich
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:07:26 -0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
>In its case size yes, but not in pad
and piston size. You know that there
>are calipers with six pistons. The
less the mass on the struts the better !!
On street vehicles? Porterfield
told me these were the biggest.
>
>> I don't want to make our
German friends gag, but the entire labor cost for
>> this -- involving
three hours labor
>
>Aha, ok, three hours .... I change the rotors
on both sides in 30 minutes
Me too.
Don't forget we changed calipers
and installed stainless steel brake lines.
That took the
longest.
>;-)
>
>And what rotors do you use ?? You probably
forget that you used other pads
>on these rotors and the bedding and
seasoning procedure will take longer
>(several miles of driving). If you
don't do this right, you'll have warped
>rotors damn quick
!!
Porterfield rotors. They don't warp.
\
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Date:
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:23:46 EST
From:
TrAmSoOtRu@aol.comSubject: Team3S: Hate
to say it.. but..remove me..
Hey Guys,
Me and my stealth are about
to part paths as it has been a hassle for the
latter part of a year.
I'm gonna miss her. So, with me being a non-stealth
owner anymore.. I guess
I need to get off the list... Can anyone tell me
how?
THanks..
Tram
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Date:
Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:27:15 +0100
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S:
GDI Turbo is alive !
At the Geneva auto exhibition, Mitsu showed a 4
cylinder GDI engine with a
"soft-turbo" (nobody was able to explain
me this). Compression ratio is 10:1
(!) and the benefit is better tourque in
the low end. I therefore would say
that boost is only around 4 psi or so. I
have a (bad) picture of the engine
and try to scan it soon. Displacement was
1.8 liter and 2 liter. Mitsu also
told me that they gonna import the Eclipse
to Europe with some body and
engine modifications to match our gusto,
hehe.
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:27:44 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
> >And what rotors do you use ??
You probably forget that you used other pads
> >on these rotors and the
bedding and seasoning procedure will take longer
> >(several miles of
driving). If you don't do this right, you'll have warped
> >rotors damn
quick !!
>
> Porterfield rotors. They don't warp.
Remember,
Porterfield uses Brembo blanks, and Brembo rotors do warp (remember
the
Stillen Big Brake stories?). It is actually the cryogenic treatment
(that
Porterfield uses if you request) that helps them resist warping.
-
--
If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!
Ken Middaugh
(858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
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Date:
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:02:57 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
My Big Reds are ON!
Merritt
You'll like em ---- a couple of
issues, if you got the Pagid orange pads
expect a lot of dust [ tenacious,
diamond hard, impervious dust ] plus a
lot of noise in other than maximum
effort braking.
Dave Skullity sez he disabled the ABS in track events
because of the violent
reaction caused by the brakes and the ABS. I haven't
had my setup at the track
yet but I did encounter an episode of harsh
ABS operation under the following
conditions --- 100 mph -- hot brakes/pads
--maximum effort braking. I haven't
had a chance to play around and see if
it's going to be a problem.
Here's a chance to practice my threshold braking
--- I failed once, I had the
ABS disabled [ a long and sordid story ]
overcooked it into a corner and
flat spotted my almost new AVS sport tires
:-( I'll have to rename the car
Thumper.
Also, did you or did
you not say your racing wheels are 17 X 8½ SL wheels.
I'm looking at
buying a set but I'm not sure the brakes will fit, have you
measured the I.D.
of the wheels??? I would assume you need about 15+"
of internal
clearance. My 94 17" VR4 wheels have an internal diameter of
about 15
½".
Jim Berry
>>> 93 stealth TT
---- "arrest me
red"
K&N FIPK -- Magnicore/.034" --- Blitz
SSBC
--- GAB struts --- Stillen SS lines
---
GC/Eibach 600# F/350# R --- GC caster/camber
plate
Yokohama AVS sport
255x40x17
Porsche/Brembo [ big red ] brakes --- KVR 315mm
rotors
Roadrace engineering rear strut
tower
Gtech --- 0-60 = 4.75 -- 1/4 = 13.3 @ 110
mph
=========================================================
>
>
We spent the morning installing a set of new Porsche Brembo Big Red
>
calipers (same as on a Porsche Turbo -- the biggest calipers made for a
>
street vehicle), Pagid pads, and a set of stainless steel brake lines
>
(front and rear) on my 94 VR4. I bought the kit from Brad Bedell, and it
>
goes on very easily. Every part needed is supplied, and everything fits
>
like a glove
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Date:
Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:57:49 -0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: My Big Reds are ON!
At 06:02 PM 3/8/00 -0800, Jim Berry
wrote:
>Merritt
>
>You'll like em ---- a couple of issues, if
you got the Pagid orange pads
>expect a lot of dust [ tenacious, diamond
hard, impervious dust ] plus a
>lot of noise in other than maximum effort
braking.
Pagid blacks. A new race compound,
allegedly.,
>
>Also, did you or did you not say your racing wheels
are 17 X 8½ SL wheels.
Yes.
>I'm looking at buying a
set but I'm not sure the brakes will fit, have you
>measured the I.D. of
the wheels???
No.
Rich
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Date:
Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:30:31 -0700
From: Dave Monarchi <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject:
Team3S: FW: APEX AVCR DEAL !!!!!!!!
This came across the starnet
list last week.. I replied to Mark and
he asked if I'd post it here in
case others were interested.
please reply privately to Mark Hindelang
<
hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
Dave
95
Black 3000GT VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
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> >Im
working with an Apex special dealer right now, and he wanted me to
>
>post on the list this SIMPLE Question.. all i need is 10 people to
say
> >yes, or be interested, and then i need to get your info and then
ill
> >send it to my dealer agent, and he will get in touch with you...
so if
> >you ARE interested then please reply privately to me..
>
>
> >
> >The question is :
> >
> >"
Whose Interested in Buying an APEX AVC-R for $399 w/Free shipping in
>
>USA?
> >
> >
> >thanks guys.
>
> I'm
interested. You should also post this to the team3s tech list.
There
> may be others that aren't on the starnet list.
>
> Is
there any potential for it to go cheaper with even more people?
>
>
also, is this the S-AVR-R? The Indiglo one? I'm not interested in
the
> older version.
yeah this is the AVCR the indiglo one..
there is possible plans to go cheaper
if more people are able..
do you
think you could post that message to the Tech3s list. i don't know
their list
address. thanks so much.
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