team3s             Tuesday, March 7 2000             Volume 01 : Number 075




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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:49:51 -0800
From: gil_lee@usa.net
Subject: Team3S: blown oil filter gasket

Hey recently after setting up my VR4 with the Apex AVCR, Apex BOV, K&N FIPK,
stock exhaust and running 1.00 bar / self learning duty (64 - 72%), my car
started losing oil rather quickly.  It turned out that the gasket on the oil
filter broke and all the oil leaked out.    I'd been using the AVCR sparing,
maybe for a minute at a time every 100 miles or so.  It seems the oil
pressure was just too high with the AVCR?

I have since changed the oil and the oil filter and everything is fine
again, but I've turned off the AVCR for now.  I thought 1.00 bar the
generally acceptable limit for a stock turbo, is there anything else I can
do besides lowering the boost?


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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:34:33 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help, idling problem.. throttle position sensor??

The problem is definitely related to the ARC as it is very sensible for the TPS/Idle position sensor. I will have time during the next weekend to investigate the lectronics and I feel that the ARC is a little bit too sensitive here.

George, try to increase the Accel a little and see if the behaviour changes. I'm pretty sure it is only a problem when cruising aroudn and not under hard driving.

Jeff is very right in what you should do and IMHO, SplitSecond or Brian should fix this. I gues Brian did the install and he adjusted the TPS (I found out myself). Both do not have a logger but Eric from SplitSec knows how to use a DVM (and he kwows the TMO Datalogger too)

In my point of view, doing any fuel tuning without a logging device is almost impossible to find the proper setup. As I did the ARC installation the Datalogger it was a 120% necessary tool like a size 3 screwdriver to me !!

Take it to Brian, and let him drive the car (of course, Murphys Law will hit you) and let him fix the problem.

Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:01:21 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: blown oil filter gasket

Usually the oil filter gasket brakes when the filter is overtorqued !

If you are going to increase boost you usally do not increase the crankcase pressure. This only happens when you already have a problem with your engine. Usually the oil-dipstick will pop-off at first when the crankcase pressure is too high.

To be safe, do a compression test to see if there are any problems with the rings/pistons and make sure the oil filter is not overtorqued.

> Hey recently after setting up my VR4 with the Apex AVCR, Apex BOV, K&N FIPK,
> stock exhaust and running 1.00 bar / self learning duty (64 - 72%), my car
> started losing oil rather quickly.  It turned out that the gasket on the oil
> filter broke and all the oil leaked out.    I'd been using the AVCR sparing,
> maybe for a minute at a time every 100 miles or so.  It seems the oil
> pressure was just too high with the AVCR?
>
> I have since changed the oil and the oil filter and everything is fine
> again, but I've turned off the AVCR for now.  I thought 1.00 bar the
> generally acceptable limit for a stock turbo, is there anything else I can
> do besides lowering the boost?

Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:22:39 +0100
From: "RG" <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotors: turn or replace?

>install my new Porterfield pads.  They use the on-car method to cut the
> rotors and quoted me about $250 to do all four.

Yes, this IS very expensive but the problem ist that here in Europe each dealer must give you a warranty on their work. This means, if one is bleeding your brakes and you drive off and cause an accident due to no brakes, they have to pay !

Now the Stealth has never been imported officially to Europe and there is no responsibel dealership for these cars. The garages often say that they don't do this as they don't know the car and that they are not covered by any insurance if any problem happens. But you know, money cures everything and for $500 they seem to do the job.

>  Installing pads and turning rotors is a very simple job.

Absolutely ! Jim and I already did the brake lines and he know how to change the pads.

> Find yourself another shop!  Working on Mitsu brakes is not brain surgery.

Especially, first measure the thinkness of the rotors. Replace them if they are close to the minimum. If they should be turned, let any brake shop (Pit-Stop or so in Germany) do the on car or off car method. I had the on car done on the stock ones and worked very well. We all know that this method ONLY works for plain rotors !

> like to have a pro install new pads and bleed the brakes so I'm sure it's
> done right.

Installing pads is one of the easiest things to do. And for bleeden them I have the Russel Speedbleeders and bleeding the brakes is sooo easy !

> The only time you MUST turn the rotors is if you are changing from one
> exotic pad material to another, and may have problems with incompatible
> embedded materials in the rotor. I had that when I changed from Performance
> Friction to Porterfield R4s. Going from stock to Porterfields does not pose
> that problem.

This is one reason but also when you feel the edge of the rotor is becomming too high ! It is then time to turn them (I have let them do this at around 48000km )

> Second, I don't think much of this surface-rotors-on-the-car technique.
> It's so dang easy to pull the rotors and do it right, why would anyone want
> to try it on the car? Sounds like a way to screw you out of more money.

Ding the job on the car is much easer because one MUST not take the rotors off. You know, the calipers must be removed and this is a risk area !! Of course, we do this by ourselfs but the dealer may not like to do this as he has to give a one year warranty for his work !! Of course, my Mitsu dealer is doing this on my car for a few bucks because Mitsu Europe is taking care of anything that would cause a problem.

Another option is that you get the Porterfield stuff and four speedbleeders (two sets), bring it down and we do the job on the car together ;-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:24:59 -0500
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeff.schwartz@citicorp.com>
Subject: Team3S: Bleeding the Clutch (VR4)

Does anyone know how to get to the slave cylinder on a VR4 to bleed
the clutch?  I can't even see the thing.  What has to come out to
get to it?  I know the general area it should be in, but I can't
see it.

   Thanks,
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Jeff Schwartz
1995 Panama Green Pearl VR4
Borla, K&N, and Magnecors

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:55:46 -0600
From: "Mark Wendlandt" <stealth_tt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bleeding the Clutch (VR4)

Jeff,

You will need to remove the battery and battery tray/washer tank.

You will then have access to the slave cylinder and bleeder screw.

Mark Wendlandt
'91RT/TT

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From: "Jeff Schwartz" <jeff.schwartz@citicorp.com>
To: "3000GT Team3:" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 9:24 AM
Subject: Team3S: Bleeding the Clutch (VR4)


> Does anyone know how to get to the slave cylinder on a VR4 to bleed
> the clutch?  I can't even see the thing.  What has to come out to
> get to it?  I know the general area it should be in, but I can't
> see it.
>
>    Thanks,
> --
> Jeff Schwartz
> 1995 Panama Green Pearl VR4
> Borla, K&N, and Magnecors
>
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:06:34 -0500
From: Marc Jonathan Jacobs <Marc.Jacobs@usa.alcatel.com>
Subject: Team3S: How to fix clutch disengagement problem?

I don't know how to fix your problem, but I had similar symptoms.
1994 VR-4 92K miles, replaced Getrag, clutch, PP, TOB 1000 miles ago.

My first symptoms to replacing the tranny were difficulty shifting into
reverse.  I never tried shutting off the engine, but I would put it in
Reverse before starting it sometimes.  With a stopped engine it was
always easier.  It was also easiest when the car was rolling slightly.
The car was new to me so I thought it may be normal.  I never had any
syncro problems.  All shifts were smooth, and steady.  I had an
occasional KaThunk.

After my first long trip, 1000 miles after initial ownership (no
warranty), I couldn't put the car in reverse to back out of the driveway
of my destination.  It kept popping out under load.  I am very good with
cars - I checked the shift linkage (at the shifter and tranny), the
shift weight, and I checked for fluid leaks.  The mechanism all moved
fine, it just popped out of gear under any load. 

I let it cool, and rechecked everything with no changes.  I got a push
out of the driveway, and a planned route home without needing reverse so
I could have my usual mechanic look at it (I was 400 miles from home).
I planned on babying it until then.  Less than 15 miles later the tranny
locked up all four wheels.  Fortunately I was in a low traffic area
moving only about 20mph.  Apparently the lockup occured along the input
shaft somewhere since I couldn't even keep the engine running when the
clutch was out and the tranny in neutral.

Keep in mind mine has the 6speed so you probably have different
results.  As you know, the tranny can't be repaired so just go easy on
it, and stay close to home or get AAA until you can save enough $$ to
replace it.  I am experiencing a clutch fluid leak so I will be
following this thread closely. 


>Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:38:19 -0500
>From: Lloyd Wihl <lloyd@cae.ca>
>Subject: Team3S: How to fix clutch disengagement problem?
>
>1993 RT TT, 79K miles, replaced Getrag, clutch disk, pressure plate, and
>throwout bearing 19K miles ago.
>
>I recently have developed difficulty engaging reverse (intermittently). When
>this occurs, if I shut off the engine, it will then slide into reverse
>effortlessly. I also occasionally have the symptom that a few of you have
>reported - a slight thud in the drivetrain when I go from neutral into first
>with the clutch pedal depressed. So I suspect the clutch is not always
>disengaging fully.
>
>I adjusted the clutch pedal height and free play to specs. This improved
>overall shifting smoothness slightly, but did not solve the problem. I
>looked at the slave cylinder while someone pressed the pedal, and it seemed
>to be extending all the way. But this is an intermittent problem, so I
>replaced the slave cylinder anyway. Upon inspection, the old one seemed to
>have some wear at the rubber seal around the piston, and a tiny bit of fluid
>had seeped past it. I of course bled any air out of the fluid as part of the
>installation.
>
>After replacing the slave cylinder, the clutch pedal feels lighter, but the
>shifting problem is a bit worse.  My dealer thinks it's a weak pressure
>plate. I am wondering if it could be wear at the master cylinder. Another
>mechanic suggested that if reverse is the only gear that's difficult to
>engage, then it's probably internal to the Getrag, and nothing to do with
>the clutch.
>
>I think my problem is fairly common to 3S's. Before I pay for installation
>of a new pressure plate, I'd like to know what you folks think. Is it worth
>trying to replace the clutch master cylinder first? Has anyone done this
>already, and did it help? Do you think that if the problem is only in
>reverse, it's the transmission, and not the clutch? Could it be that the
>flywheel is slightly warped, keeping a bit of contact with the clutch disk?
>
>Thanks for any insight or experience you can provide.
>
>Lloyd Wihl
>
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Marc J. Jacobs
ADSL Hardware Development
Alcatel USA     (919) 850-6386

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:46:18 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Advancing & Retarding Timing, Compression

Vic:
Advancing the timing does not increase compression ratio.  It can increase
peak cylinder pressure and thus increase propensity to ping/knock/detonate,
so can be dangerous, especially in a turbo engine which already has high
_dynamic_ compression ratio.  Increasing the ignition timing to point of
maximum efficiency/power production, just BEFORE causing detonation, is
good.  Do you feel lucky  :)  ?

"Static compression ratio" is the mechanically determined ratio between the
volume the air in the cylinder contains with piston at bottom dead center,
to the volume the cylinder contains at top dead center.  For our engines,
which have a piston swept volume of 500cc per cylinder (500cc x 6cylinders =
3.0 liters) to get the static compression ratio of 8:1, we must have about
71.4 cc combustion chambers or "clearance volume" (including valve reliefs,
piston dish, gaskets, though our pistons actually are positive decked, that
is they stick out of the deck a little! Gasket thickness makes up adequate
piston-head clearance).  So, our static compression ratio is 571.4cc /
71.4cc = 8.0:1 ratio.

"Dynamic compression ratio" takes into account the RUNNING engine's boost
and volumetric efficiency.  Though the turbo's static compression is 8:1,
its dynamic compression ratio is much higher.  With 1 bar = 14.7 psi boost,
you (almost) double the air volume in the cylinder, so we get 1071.4cc /
71.4cc = 15:1 compression "actual" that determines what gas octane we need.
Now note, this is simplified.  The actual volume of air can vary based on
any ram tuning effects or lack (see our neat long runner intakes designed to
pack more air in at low-mid rpm's) and I'm not going to get into weenie
discussions of how much of the 71.4cc chamber volume actually fills extra
due to boost, the density of air being less due to air filter pressure drop
and heating by turbo compressor, improvements due to intercooling.

Of course, NA cars are higher static compression (10:1) than turbos
(8:1)...because NA cars have less dynamic compression and can get away with
higher (and more efficient) static ratios therefore.
Our cars have no distributor.  We use computer drivers to signal to coils
when to fire, based on crank/cam position sensors.  Timing is effectively
not adjustable except on 91-?92 cars, and aftermarket with Apex Ignition
Timing Computer.  Adjusting cam position would not change ignition timing.
Hope that helps some, I think it is a mostly correct explanation.
Jack Tertadian

"MITSU MAN!" wrote:

> about advancing & retarding timing:
> http://home.tampabay.rr.com/redroby/3liter/ignition.html
> says with forced induction engine you should not advance
> timing because it increases compression. Is that the same as
> saying increasing the compression "ratio"? & why NOT do it to a
> Turbocharged car? I would think it would make even more compression &
> would only help the engine achieve a higher power potential.

> 2ndly, if you compare non-turbo 6G72 (lower
> compression, right?), & a 6G72TT (higher compression?). why
> couldn't this simple method be used to increase compression
> in N/A to be able to run more than the 6-7lbs of boost  it can
> without extensive costly engine modifications? 3rdly, why does it say to
> advance the timing, you loosen distributor cap, turn it 3
> degrees clockwise, & make sure the engine doesn't ping... I
> thought only way to advance timing was using adjustable
> camshaft sprockets?
>             ~vic


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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:25:43 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Getrag Parts Sources Summary 3-2000

Dennis and Lists:
Here is latest Getrag Summary, edited.
I got a message from Bob Forrest that you needed help on sourcing
transaxle; I am sort of the Getrag Trans Guru (not by choice  ;)  so...
Here is a compendium of information on transaxle, transfer case, output
shaft, and seals/parts for the Stealth TT/3000GT VR4 Getrag 5 and 6
speeds.
Note, your 91 has "small output shaft" going into the transfer case,
unless it was previously changed to the later, large output shaft
trans/transfer case.  If you are changing over, you'd be best off
changing to the large output shaft trans and transfer case (must do both
at once, and bolts right in).
Metric Mechanic 1-573-765-1269 will hopefully be disassembling the trans
I've sent them and engineering improvements in the synchronizer
assemblies sometime this year.
I hope this helps...
Jack Tertadian

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I ordered rebuilt transfer case from MD Auto.  I was quoted
same price ($850) as in Ken's post below.  I then told him
about our list and deals with other distributors, success!
He gave me $50 off so xfer case ended up $800 + $25
shipping + $50 core charge = $875 to my door!  (note: the core charge in
the post below is incorrect, or they made a big change to it since
then) 

INFO BELOW:  6 speed cast iron xfer case info unless noted.
MD Auto   
619-390-0450, in San Diego  
$ 800.00 rebuilt with 1 year unlimited mileage warranty
(make sure you mention the list discount for this price! $50 core!)

Tallahassee Mitsu  
1-888-825-5648
$ 1836.33  list , $ 1469.06 discount price
(this month only -October 99- they are selling for $1280!!!  new!)
<<<<------

Mag Auto (Chris)
1-800-229-1001
$ 1471.00  (claimed this is new)

Kormex
1-800-429-5464
$ 650 (5 speed), $1100 (6 speed)

M&S Recycling
1-800-695-4700
$ 900 (used, not rebuilt, 6 month warranty)

Standard Transmission
1-800-783-8726
$ 75 for bearing and seal kit.   I considered replacing the damaged
pieces
of my case which they quoted at $25 for the cover plate, and $150 for
the
section of case that bolts to the transmission.
Dave 95 VR4

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I called MD Auto 619-390-0450 San Diego.  I spoke with Mike at
least 20 minutes, he is friendly/helpful.  MD Auto
sells rebuilt Getrag transmissions/transfer cases and
some parts.

5 or 6 spd. rebuilt tranny & rebuilt transfer case      $2695
5 or 6 spd. rebuilt tranny      $2295
rebuilt transfer case           $850
(refundable) core charge        $500

Tranny & transfer case have 12 month unlimited milage warranty. 
Only gears and synchros that are out of spec are replaced.  Yes he has
access to NEW SYNCHROS from Europe.  He will not publicly
confirm source; is in Germany.  He uses them but he will
NOT SELL SYNCHROS for fear his source will stop providing
access.  New bearings, shaft, transfer unit spool, and seals are used.
There is no problem swapping a 5 for 6 speed or a small shaft 5 spd
for a large shaft.  Interestingly, he said that the large shaft splines
come back in worse shape than the small shafts.  He said this is because
the small shaft's 18 splines are wider than the large shafts 25 splines,
so the thiner 25 splines wear more.  ?
Current stock is 1 6 spd and 12 5 speeds.  Normally, you buy a
rebuilt and send him your old core.  He doesn't rebuild "your" tranny &
transfer case, he swaps them.

He sells some parts:
Bearings, Timken from France, 8 total, better than OEM  $225
Shafts, OEM quality             $695 (ouch!)
Transfer spools, OEM quality    $695 (double ouch!)
OEM seals (6 total) for tranny & transfer case  $175
He also sells used gears & housings. 
I asked about using better than OEM quality parts.  He
didn't sound too optimistic from his "small shop" point of view.
Mike is a Corvette man who began his affiliation with 3000GT/Stealth AWD
trannys when a friend of his had Getrag problems.  He mentioned
that ZF tranny in Vette also have no parts availability and
cost over $7K.
Ken Middaugh
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>From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999
TRANSAXLE / TRANSFER CASE / PARTS / REBUILD SOURCE SUMMARY:
1)  Try Tallahassee Mitsu  1888-825-5648, say you are on 3S Internet
list for
like 25% discount and free ship for over $50
2)  Rockland Mitsu 1914-353-2100  Say internet/3SI member  "Terry"
3)  Norco Mitsu     1888-689-1788       "    "          "              
"Bill"
4)  Lou Fusz Mitsu 1800-528-2525       "    "          "              
"Greg or Marty"
6)  MAG auto        1800-229-1001      I think these are used only?
7)  Kormex Trans Parts  1800-429-5464 "Frank Martin"  Has aftermarket
hardened output shafts for trans and other parts, do rebuilds.
8)  East Street Auto  1901-774-5374  "Jim"  I think they have ?stock
output
shafts for $400, not sure here
9)  Southern Gear  1770-435-1461      Trans Rebuilders in Georgia, USA;
have done many of them, would be between them and Kormex if I had to
have rebuild based on info I have NOW.
10)  Max Mayants at "GTR Motorsports"   email NYMaxxNY@aol.com,
gets new transaxle bearing kits, output shaft for $430; was planning to
recoat the old/used synchro ring with new brass (not a bad idea) though
not the only part that wears (the gear face teeth and blocker rings also
have
teeth that wear, but if can make new brasscoated rings that is one more
part
being made!)  I don't have phone #, if you get it write back;  he said
back in
May 99 he was opening up large shop for cars like ours.
Jack Tertadian

> I need new transfer case;
> 1991 Stealth TT Dealer price
> $2195.00 +3.8 hours = $1463.00 = $1653.33.

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:56:51 -0600
From: "Trevor L. James" <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Team3S: MSD Knock Alert Installation Help...

All right guys, I'm installing a MSD Knock Alert Box and it comes with a knock
sensor with 1/4" NPT threads that are about 7/8-1/2" in diameter. It comes with
an adapter that I think is course metric threaded and about 5/16-3/8" in
diameter. One of the guys on the www.3si.org message board said that he found a
tapped hole that the adapter fit in on the back, driver's side of the engine. I
looked around under the car and I couldn't see anything except a brass looking
plug that looked like it was of larger diameter than the adapter. Anyone know of
a good place on the block to screw this thing into?

Trevor
96 Stealth R/T TT
12.687@108.44
$1550 in HP mods
92 GMC Typhoon


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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:31:22 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Advancing & Retarding Timing, Compression

1A rated information  ! Great :)

THX
Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Von: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
An: <stealth@starnet.net>; Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Gesendet: Montag, 6. März 2000 18:46
Betreff: Team3S: Advancing & Retarding Timing, Compression


> Vic:
> Advancing the timing does not increase compression ratio.  It can increase
> peak cylinder pressure and thus increase propensity to
ping/knock/detonate,
<snip>


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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:09:26 -0500
From: Jeremy Barron <doc2978@doctorheresy.com>
Subject: Team3S: Brake and suspension overhaul imminent. Questions...LONG!!!

Hi all. In about a month, I plan to install the following on my 94 Stealth TT; parts listed have already been ordered or will be ordered shortly:
 
  Eibach springs (No more RSRs in the country :( [Racing Beat stopped importing them])
  New stock struts, front and rear
  Stillen Metal Matrix pads
  Porterfield Cryo Frozen front rotors
  SS brake lines
 
Questions: For a vehicle that will most likely never see road race duty (a few 100+mph stops after the 1/4 mile is the most rigorous work out the brakes will face), what type of brake fluid is recommended?

  I was disappointed to find that I will be unable to use a Road Race rear strut bar as I have a factory sunroof (RRE says the retaining clips that hold the sunroof in the hatch block their strut bar); anyone know if this is true with the Cusco? Anyone with a factory sunroof using any type of strut bar?

  While this work is being done, any thoughts on bushings (please list which ones, and does anyone know if Energy Suspension or any other company makes a "high performance" bushing for 3/S vehicles?) or anything else I should do, given the higher mileage (~100k), in order to prevent having to go back in there in the near future?

  Given that the car will see primarily street use, I think I am safe to pass on the rear sway bar by (I think) Suspension Techniques, as I will not see much in terms of improved handling on the street. Correct?

  Off topic...I recall a dealership in FL that had alarm key fobs for ~$25, which could be used with a reprogrammed factory alarm. When I tried to obtain one a few years back, I was unable to as the parts department there had no clue as to what the part number was. Anyone recall the dealership, and more importantly, the part number for the fob?

  Hmmm...I think that's it ;). Any and all help will be appreciated. Thanks and take care...


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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:42:56 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake and suspension overhaul imminent. Questions...LONG!!!

>   I was disappointed to find that I will be unable to use a Road Race rear strut bar as I have a
factory sunroof (RRE says the >retaining clips that hold the sunroof in the hatch block their strut
bar); anyone know if this is true with the Cusco? Anyone with a >factory sunroof using any type of
strut bar?
>
I installed a Roadrace engineering rear strut bar and I had to remove the welded support
brackets for the sunroof clips ---- about 15 minutes per side with an angle grinder.
If I get ambitious I might cut the support bracket down and reweld them and reinstall the
storage clips ---- I never remove the sunroof so I'm not sure I care.

I doubt anyone makes a strut brace that fits with the sunroof clips in place --- the supports
are smack dab in the middle of everything.

IMHO if you're not going to road race you can skip the brace --- I think it made a difference
but I have no race numbers to back me up, I may try it with and without the brace at a track
event.
========================================================


>   While this work is being done, any thoughts on bushings (please list which ones, and does anyone
know if Energy Suspension or >any other company makes a "high performance" bushing for 3/S
vehicles?) or anything else I should do, given the higher mileage> (~100k), in order to prevent
having to go back in there in the near future?


No performance bushing available as far as I know ---- not sure why, it seems easy to do.
==================================================================

Jim Berry  >>>          93 stealth TT ---- "arrest me red"
                       K&N FIPK -- Magnicore/.034" --- Blitz SSBC
                               --- GAB struts --- Stillen SS lines ---
                     GC/Eibach  600# F/350# R --- GC caster/camber plate
                             Yokohama  AVS  sport  255x40x17
                    Porsche/Brembo [ big red ] brakes --- KVR 315mm rotors
                              Roadrace engineering rear  strut tower
                       Gtech --- 0-60 = 4.75 -- 1/4 = 13.3 @ 110 mph


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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 14:56:53 GMT
From: pagan@siscom.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake and suspension overhaul imminent. Questions...LONG!!!

Jeremy Barron writes:
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>   Off topic...I recall a dealership in FL that had alarm key fobs for ~$25, which could be used with a reprogrammed factory alarm. When I tried to obtain one a few years back, I was unable to as the parts department there had no clue as to what the part number was. Anyone recall the dealership, and more importantly, the part number for the fob?
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Bill Seidle's Mitsubishi
2757 N.W. 36th St.
Miami Fl. 33142

(305) 633-7722 or (305) 637-5246

Mark W.

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