team3s            Monday, February 14 2000            Volume 01 : Number 058




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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:13:37 -0800
From: "Murat Okcuoglu" <murat@dellnet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Engine power loss

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91 T/T car 66K, engine less than 10K, all well maintained.

I have serious lack of power at the first 10% of throttle. beyond that, all
is fine. The transition in between is smooth.  This started when the dealer
replaced the engine under warranty.

I have new fule pump, new fuel filter, new K&N air filter, plugs @ 0.034",
run 12psi,

all of the above changes improved the condition but it is not there yet

any ideas?



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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:24:58 -0800
From: gil_lee@usa.net
Subject: Team3S: apex blow off valve and erratic idle

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i just put in the apex twin chamber blow off valve and now the car seems to
lose idle (engine dies) frequently.  is there something i can do to fix this
myself?




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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:35:32 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: apex blow off valve and erratic idle

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> i just put in the apex twin chamber blow off valve and now
> the car seems to lose idle (engine dies) frequently.  is
> there something i can do to fix this myself?

Sure, take off the Apex BOV and put the stock valve back on.  The problem is created by the loss of air which the ECU has measured and expects to enter the cylinders at some point.  When that air never arrives in the cylinders, the car doesn't know better and injects the appropriate amount of fuel to combust a mixture that isn't there.  If there are adjustments on the Apex valve to make it stiffer and resist opening more, you could try to stiffen it up some, however you will still have the basic problem mentioned above.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4


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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:49:19 GMT
From: "Tim DeKeyser" <tdekeyser@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Belts

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Hi Everyone,

I had the 2 belts for power sterring, and AC replaced just yesterday, and
all is fine, except for when I hit the AC button. There is a loud squeel
from under the hood, and if I throttle it a little, it gets louder. It will
stop squeeling for a bit, then the blue AC light turns to a red dot, and the
ac stops working. Whats going on?? It the belt not tight enough to turn the
compressor pully when the AC is turned on? Please advise, and what I should
do.

91 TT Stealth
Tim (Dallas, TX)
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:00:12 -0800
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Belts

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Hey Tim;

Take it back to dealer and tell them it's their problem. You paid for a fix
didn't you?

BEst

Darc
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From: "Tim DeKeyser" <tdekeyser@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:49 AM
Subject: Team3S: Belts


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>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I had the 2 belts for power sterring, and AC replaced just yesterday, and
> all is fine, except for when I hit the AC button. There is a loud squeel
> from under the hood, and if I throttle it a little, it gets louder. It
will
> stop squeeling for a bit, then the blue AC light turns to a red dot, and
the
> ac stops working. Whats going on?? It the belt not tight enough to turn
the
> compressor pully when the AC is turned on? Please advise, and what I
should
> do.
>
> 91 TT Stealth
> Tim (Dallas, TX)
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:45:34 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.vistec.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: apex blow off valve and erratic idle

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Matt Jannusch wrote:
>
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>
> > i just put in the apex twin chamber blow off valve and now
> > the car seems to lose idle (engine dies) frequently.  is
> > there something i can do to fix this myself?
>
> Sure, take off the Apex BOV and put the stock valve back on.  The problem is created by the loss of air which the ECU has measured and expects to enter the cylinders at some point.  When that air never arrives in the cylinders, the car doesn't know better and injects the appropriate amount of fuel to combust a mixture that isn't there.  If there are adjustments on the Apex valve to make it stiffer and resist opening more, you could try to stiffen it up some, however you will still have the basic problem mentioned above.

This is the same behavior I experienced after installing the Blitz BOV.  The
stiffer I adjust it the less the engine stumbles, and of course the less benefit
the BOV offers between shifts (which always seemed minimal, anyway).  The main
reason I installed the BOV was to eliminate the intake resonance that began with
installation of the FIPK, so I leave it on, but even tightened down to its
stiffest setting I get an annoying stumble when I let off the throttle.  As soon
as I find a better solution for the intake resonance, the BOV is coming back
off.

- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
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Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
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G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:02:03 -0800
From: Dan Jett <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: apex blow off valve and erratic idle -Reply

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I too have the "stutter" with my BOV. I have the Greddy type S, which
vents back into the intake. I have adjusted the valve to both
extremes, and everywhere in between. I have the stutter minimized for
the most part, but at times, especially when the car is warmed up, it
comes back.  Interstingly, it seems to stutter only under MILD
acceleration, ie.,  when rpm's are under 3500. This leads me to
believe that the valve isn't fully closed when the throttle plate
opens back up. My mileage dropped a couple mpg since install as well,
which would support this theory, as it seems I'm running alittle more
rich.

Dan Jett
94 Stealth TT
K/N FIPK, Greddy exhaust, Greddy BOV, Centerforce DFC


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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:55:20 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Moving the MAS...  Questions...

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I'm hoping some of you engineering types spot this and can give us
some insight...  A number of us non-turbo types are involved in what
we call the 'Intake Redesign Project'.  We'll be replacing the
segmented intake hose with a smooth one, and a couple of us are
installing eRAMs in the path as well.  Our current NA engine intake
path involves 2- 90° elbows on a segmented hose with a resonator
bottle hanging down from it.  We're planning to swtich to a smooth
tube system, move the MAS, and stick the K&N air filter down near
the foglight area.  See the stock setup diagram on the resonator FAQ
page:
www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQresonator.htm

Questions:

- --When we move the MAS, should we move it to the TB end or to the
filter end?
- --Will the MAS slow down the intake air more at the TB end or the
filter end?
- --Will we change the MAS readings by adding an extension to the
wiring?

Please reply privately with your input.  Thanks.

Best,

Forrest




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