team3s
Sunday, February 13
2000 Volume 01
: Number 057
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:22:31 -0500
From: "Michael Booker"
<
mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Question about NA intake (stock) hose.
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I am looking at the stock intake hose from my 93 R/T and there is this
small
diameter hose that comes from under the throttle body and plugs into
the
intake hose before the throttle body. Can somebody identify what that
hose
is? It's black rubber, and about 1/2 inch inside diameter.
Matt
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:48:04 EST
From:
Aso8@aol.comSubject: Team3S: Carbon Fiber
Hood
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I'll be making a new hood design out of Carbon Fiber Materials. It will
have
both Intake & Exhaust Outlets along with higher clearance in order
to
accommodate my larger turbos & top mounting positions. I'm told I can
use the
mold 3 times and still maintain the quality. Weight of the new hood
should
only be about 4-5 lb. I don't yet have the final design or cost. I'd
guess
about $1,000.00 for the hood unpainted. If you have any interest in
this item
let me know. I could use 2 more people to share the costs of the
initial mold
in order to make a total of 3 Carbon Fiber Hoods. This will fit
the 1st
generation models. If interested, email direct. I'll reply when the
design is
final.
Thanks
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:00:33 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest"
<
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Intake questions. Long answer...
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- -----Original Message-----From: Michael Booker <
mrbook@gate.net>
>Alright, I'm
braving it and designing my own intake for the NA S/3
>automatics, but I
need some help from the engineers of the group.
>I remember you guys
saying that s smooth intake path is the most
desired
>design, plus
there should be no, or as few 90 degree bends as
possible. Is
>there
anything else? Is there an optimal "bend angle"? I'm going to
hang
the
>K&N lower in the engine bar, where the air coming in the front
will
blow
>right onto it. If it's a success, i'll be happy to publish
the
results and a
>how-to for the Team 3/S NA page.
Hey, Matt,
(Note: We won't have a separate Team3S website NA "page" per
se,
rather there will be sections in the different FAQ categories that
are
both turbo- and NT-specific. Your results will be published in
the
support systems section, where I'm also going to publish both
your question
and the answer below. We already have some of those
pages for NTs in
the current FAQ, so take a look at it:
www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQ.htm
).
Wei-Lik and I are both redesigning our intakes in the next week or
so
(in different states, of course) when we install eRAMs in our NA
cars.
His is a DOHC 3000GT, mine is a SOHC Stealth, but I think
both our stock
intakes (and yours) are the same. Like you, here are
a few things we're
keeping in mind - anyone, please feel free to add
ideas to these:
1. The 'straighter' the bend, the lower the resistance to
the
intake air. Ideal would be straight through, or 180°; right
now
we've got 90°, in two places. Any way that can be found to
'open
up' either or both of the bends to a slightly wider angle is to
our
advantage.
2. The fewer the number of bends, the lower the resistance to
the
intake air. Right now, we have 2- 90° bends. If one can
be
eliminated, that is to our advantage.
3. The smoother the intake tube, the faster the intake air
can
move. Our current segmented intake is a disaster relative
to
raising horsepower. The segments (and the resonator) on the
stock
intake are probably engineered that way on purpose to create a
wave
pattern that mimics the intake pulse in order to yield
better
economy. Economy isn't important to those of us who are trying
to
squeeze out a few more horsepower.
4. The intake hose material should ideally be some kind
of
dielectric (insulating material, in this case against both
electrical
and heat conductivity). Most such components in vehicles
are
acrylonitriles (rubberized plastics), so this is the preferable
material for
replacement. Picture a smooth inner teflon or metal
sleeve, surrounded
by a finned rubber exterior as being ideal.
5. Any rigid intake section should be fastened to the fender
wall
in at least TWO places; a single fastening point could create
a
fulcrum for a 'standing wave' from the normal vibration of
the
engine. A single point would allow the tube to "wag" back
and
forth, which might stress one or both of the end points (at the MAS
or
the TB) enough to eventually work lose or rupture. Also, make
sure any
connection points are rubberized to absorb vibration.
On a practical level, we're going to try to fashion a total
replacement
for the intake, to keep the original intact. There are
2 reasons: It's
better to keep the original part (and a replacement
is around $150, I think),
and in my case, I may need the original
for CA emissions testing. This
may be the most difficult part of
the install, since the back of the MAS is a
3.5" x 2" oval. Without
trashing that section from the
original intake to get it to fit to
the smooth tube, the replacement section
becomes a totally custom
project.
And there's one more thing to remember: make sure to disconnect
the
battery negative terminal during the install. This is not only
for
safety, but to force the ECU into "relearn" mode when
everything is
hooked back up again. Testing on a dyno after the install
should be
repeated after about 100-150 miles, by which time the ECU will
have
had time to totally reset itself to compensate for the
new
variables.
This subject is only of interest to a limited number of members,
so
please answer privately off the list. --Thanks.
Best,
Forrest
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:36:13 -0600
From: xwing <
xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Metric Mechanic Address Info
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Metric Mechanic (shipping address)
505 E. Main
Richland, MO
65556
Metric Mechanic (mailing address)
PO Box 1136
Richland, MO
65556
Phone 573-765-1269
fax
573-765-4216
Owner's name is Jim Rowe, he is very nice/knowledgeable.
He
said he'd have time to crack the 5-speed I've already sent him in
a couple of
weeks or so...(well 1 week or so now!)
If people are interested in the "Ultimate Transaxle" for our
cars
(that's what they call their upgrade trans for BMW's), then
feel free
to call him and encourage his work on this--people's
interest in it, their
chance of selling them to real people is what
will drive them to DO this for
us/fastest!
Sincerely,
Jack Tertadian
Getrag Fix Warrior
> what is the address for metric mechanics?
>
Joe very sad now :(
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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 04:27:31 -0500
From: "Omar Malik"
<
ojm@iname.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
Question about NA intake (stock) hose.
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sounds like you're talking about the breather hose for the PCV system.
fresh
air is sucked in by that hose into the rear valve cover for
ventilation. a
second hose on the right side of the engine connects the two
valve covers.
the PCV valve on the front valve cover leads into the intake
manifold.
Omar
92 r/t
I am looking at the stock intake hose from my 93 R/T and there is this
small
diameter hose that comes from under the throttle body and plugs into
the
intake hose before the throttle body. Can somebody identify what that
hose
is? It's black rubber, and about 1/2 inch inside diameter.
Matt
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I'm still selling my car if anyone is interested, I prefer to keep it
with
someone on the list since I would like someone to own it who's
interested in
modifying the car some more or turning the car completely into
a race car.
But I have a 91 3000GT VR-4 with 70,000 Miles on it Blue, with a
load of
modifications 15G Turbos, HKS fuel control, Bozz Coilovers, test
piped,
pre-cat gutted exhaust, intercoolers, Apex'i boost among other mods,
along
with Japanese GTO taillights, and rainguards, and clear corners, and
Blitz
18" wheels on Potenza S0-2's still looking for an owner in the
NY/tri-state
area. I have a spare blown 92 motor with heads and manifolds
that I'm
selling with the car. Pictures can be seen at the websites
below.
Dropping the price to $10,500 Sorry, I'm not parting out the car as of
yet.
Even though this isn't too technical, I thought the Team3S list might
be
interested since the car is fairly modded and it does need a little bit
of
fixing up that the Team3S list is interested in.
Please reply
personally back
Thanks!
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