team3s           Thursday, February 10 2000           Volume 01 : Number 055




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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:10:33 -0500
From: "Michael Chan" <michael.chan@hcl.com>
Subject: Team3S: Exhaust problem?

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Hello and help...

I have a 91TT that I maintain very well with an HKS Air Filter, AND downpipe
(the OEM one rusted out so maybe I didn't maintain it that well!) - my
exhaust is stock.  Would this setup account for poor mileage?  Pulgs, wires,
are fairly new - Oxygen Sensors were bad and have been replaced.  I can't
seem to troubleshoot this problem...

If I were to upgrade my exhaust from the cat back, can I expect more
consistent and maybe better mileage?

Mike




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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:17:15 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust problem?

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> I have a 91TT that I maintain very well with an HKS Air Filter, AND downpipe
> (the OEM one rusted out so maybe I didn't maintain it that well!) - my
> exhaust is stock.  Would this setup account for poor mileage?

Your cats are maybe clogged up or you have a lot of carbon deposits around the valve seats. The rest of teh exhaust doesn't count to a bad mileage ... btw, what is a bad mileage, how much mpg  ??

>  Pulgs, wires, are fairly new - Oxygen Sensors were bad and have been replaced.  I can't
> seem to troubleshoot this problem...

Why went the O2 sensors bad ?? This is usally due to bad and too much unburnt fuel ! Only get good gas, also run a can or two good injector cleaners and make sure the filter is clean. Also you may open the y-pipe to check any amount of oil in there as this could also ruin the O2 sensors.

> If I were to upgrade my exhaust from the cat back, can I expect more
> consistent and maybe better mileage?

No.

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:38:56 -0500
From: "Michael Chan" <michael.chan@hcl.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust problem?

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When I had my downpipe replaced, the main cat did not seem to be clogged.  I
only use Sunoco Ultra 94 for gas.  I was consistently getting 450km per
tank - mostly city driving.  Now I have to push it to get over 400.  My
injectors were cleaned at one point, how often does this have to be done?
As far as the O2 sensors go... I've had my car for 9 years next month 125
000 km.  Don't they ever wear out?

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From: R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>
To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust problem?


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>
>
>> I have a 91TT that I maintain very well with an HKS Air Filter, AND
downpipe
>> (the OEM one rusted out so maybe I didn't maintain it that well!) - my
>> exhaust is stock.  Would this setup account for poor mileage?
>
>Your cats are maybe clogged up or you have a lot of carbon deposits around
the valve seats. The rest of teh exhaust doesn't count to a bad mileage ...
btw, what is a bad mileage, how much mpg  ??
>
>>  Pulgs, wires, are fairly new - Oxygen Sensors were bad and have been
replaced.  I can't
>> seem to troubleshoot this problem...
>
>Why went the O2 sensors bad ?? This is usally due to bad and too much
unburnt fuel ! Only get good gas, also run a can or two good injector
cleaners and make sure the filter is clean. Also you may open the y-pipe to
check any amount of oil in there as this could also ruin the O2 sensors.
>
>> If I were to upgrade my exhaust from the cat back, can I expect more
>> consistent and maybe better mileage?
>
>No.
>
>Roger
>93'3000GT TT
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:37:23 -0800
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust problem?

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Michael;

Given the underhood temperatures with TT's, it is best to run a can of
injector cleaner through (with a fillup) at regualr intervals. Similarly,
fossil oils are not as reliable as synthetics (ie Mobil  1) given these high
temperatures, and will over time leave deposits from hign temp cooking that
will require a flush. As Roger noted, a partially plugged cat or precat may
be problematic, but normally rough idling is apparent if they are involved.
Try a ~good ~injector cleaner first, see if it helps after running a tank of
gas. if not, investigate the cats. Always let your car idle down for a
minute or two before shutting it off---this is the same as installing a
turbo timer.

Best

Darc



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:34:18 EST
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Engine psi capacity before boom?

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Hello all,
    I am about to get the e-ram and am wondering how much psi is to much for
the NA cars. In case your wondering what an e-ram is its an electric turbo
charger i guess you can call it  (www.electricsupercharger.com). The smaller
unit puts out 3 lbs. of thrust at 750cfm the larger unit has no specs but
lets say its double so 6psi and 1500cfm. Is 6psi going to be safe? Will it
have really bad long term effects? Any input would be good because i plan on
buying it (larger one) or maybe use 2 large ones parrallel (12psi) by friday.

Thanks In Advance


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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:30:56 -0500
From: "Pete Ryner" <pryner@ij.net>
Subject: Team3S: 91 VR4 FS

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Don't want to bomb the list.  Please reply directly to pryner@ij.net if you
are interested.  1 owner, 65K, Exc cond, many new parts, $11,500.  Time to
move on.
Pete



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:53:20 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine psi capacity before boom?

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There is NO WAY they can put out as much pressure as a small turbo, nor flow
as much as a turbo (1500 cfm would be much more than even 15G's if I'm not
mistaken, not to mention our MAS only will flow around 700 - 750 cfm I
believe)

Someone feel free to correct me, but I highly doubt those statements.

As for the other statements, 6 psi will be fine on high octane gas and a
nice cool day.  seriously, it is probably right on the edge of being
dangerous.  A little more, and it might be dangerous.  12 psi is most
definitely dangerous.  Not to mention there is no intercooler to cool this
pressurized charge down (liquids and gases build up enormous amounts of heat
when compressed)

Cody


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Subject: Team3S: Engine psi capacity before boom?
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Hello all,
    I am about to get the e-ram and am wondering how much psi is to much for
the NA cars. In case your wondering what an e-ram is its an electric turbo
charger i guess you can call it  (www.electricsupercharger.com). The smaller
unit puts out 3 lbs. of thrust at 750cfm the larger unit has no specs but
lets say its double so 6psi and 1500cfm. Is 6psi going to be safe? Will it
have really bad long term effects? Any input would be good because i plan on
buying it (larger one) or maybe use 2 large ones parrallel (12psi) by
friday.

Thanks In Advance



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:11:07 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine psi capacity before boom?

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>     I am about to get the e-ram and am wondering how much psi
> is to much for the NA cars. In case your wondering what an e-ram
> is its an electric turbo charger i guess you can call it 
> (www.electricsupercharger.com). The smaller unit puts out 3 lbs.
> of thrust at 750cfm the larger unit has no specs but
> lets say its double so 6psi and 1500cfm. Is 6psi going to be
> safe? Will it have really bad long term effects? Any input would
> be good because i plan on buying it (larger one) or maybe use 2
> large ones parrallel (12psi) by friday.

Not sure where you got those numbers, but the one that was already tested only put out an additional 6 HP or so.  6psi and 6HP are two totally different things.  If I remember correctly, the "boost" effect was only 1/2 psi or so.  3 pounds of "thrust" is a much different measurement than 3 pounds per square inch.  3 pounds of thrust is a total measurement of air pushed, whereas 3psi is the amount exerted against a one inch square area.

You aren't going to see any engine damaging amounts of pressure out of these things, and no crazy increases in horsepower either.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4


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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:25:51 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine psi capacity before boom?

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- -----Original Message-----From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
>>MrX2111@aol.com wrote>>>
>>     I am about to get the e-ram and am wondering how much psi
- --snip--------
>> lets say its double so 6psi and 1500cfm. Is 6psi going to be
>> safe? Will it have really bad long term effects? Any input would
>> be good because i plan on buying it (larger one) or maybe use 2
>> large ones parrallel (12psi) by friday.
>
>Not sure where you got those numbers, but the one that was already
tested only put out an additional 6 HP or so.  6psi and 6HP are two
totally different things.  If I remember correctly, the "boost"
effect was only 1/2 psi or so.  3 pounds of "thrust" is a much
different measurement than 3 pounds per square inch.  3 pounds of
thrust is a total measurement of air pushed, whereas 3psi is the
amount exerted against a one inch square area.
>You aren't going to see any engine damaging amounts of pressure out
of these things, and no crazy increases in horsepower either.


Matt is right, but the number PER unit was 1 psi, not 3, and not
1/2.  Remember too, that this unit only kicks in at WOT or just
before WOT, depending on how you set it up.  It is not on all the
time, but is just for those times when you need another 10%+ HP
bump.  It is not going to hurt your engine, in fact, our engines are
restricted by a poor intake design as to how much air they can get.
If anything, getting more air will be a good thing.

The test we did was only partially rigged, and at a bad angle, so we
only got something between 6 and 10HP, I think, but that was for
just a single eRAM on a Stealth base.  On the DOHC, the numbers
should be better, as they will be with a clean install, and around
double that for a pair of units.

The entire write-up is on our Team3S website, at:

www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQeram.htm

Don't forget that we get a Team3S discount of 25%.  I'll be getting
a pair of these or the Super eRAM within a week or so too, so we
should have some great new data for the list soon.  AND a nice HP
increase!  :-)

Don't forget to dyno before and after and send me your data!!!

Best,

Forrest




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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:09:29 -0800
From: vect0r0 <vect0r0@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Spark Plugs:  Which brand/# for NON-PLATINUMS

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Since I replaced my manifold with the IMP, it now only takes 30 minutes
to change all of my plugs.  Thus, I've decided to go to the cheap ones.
I remember there was a brand that either Jack or Bob was using instead
of the expensive platinums.

Anyone remember the part number?

Also, what problems should I experience.  I figure they just don't last
as long.  Thanks in advance!



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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:37:09 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Alignment settings

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I'm getting ready to take the Mitsu out of its warm garage, install camber
plates, and get it aligned.

Later, we'll run it on a test track with an infrared thermometer to measure
tire temps and all that, and adjust it so the tire temps read the same all
the way across.

What I need from anyone who has been through this before is a starting
point: What are good caster/camber/toe settings to start from?

It's a 1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 AWD with Eibach springs, set as low as
possible without cutting anything. We lowered it about 1 to 1.5 in. all the
way around with the Ground Control kit.

The rear wheels are at 1.5 deg negative camber, with no adjustment possible
unless I install something back there. But that's OK, that setting suits me.

Question 1: Where should I set the fronts after we put the plates in? What
is a good starting point?

Question 2: After we get it trackside, and fiddle with the camber and tire
pressures to get the tire temps to read OK, what then? Do I leave the
alignment alone? Or take it back to the alignment shop for caster and toe
adjustments? Should I attempt to change caster and toe trackside to
compensate for camber adjustments, or let them go until we get to the
alignment shop? When we get to the alignment shop, how do I keep those
nifty camber settings while we adjust castor and toe?

I have access to a test track about 65 miles from here, so I have the time
and opportunity to test the car before going to an actual open track event.

Recommendations?

Rich/94 Mitsu VR4



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:10:14 -0800
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Spark Plugs:  Which brand/# for NON-PLATINUMS

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Vect0r0

Please sign out like a human so I know who you are. Also, enlighten this
unwashed one and do tell what IMP is.? I live on the edge of the The Great
Northen Ice Shelf, and we just don't understand such abbreviations up here
in Igloo land. However. 30 minutes sounds almost too much to hope for, so a
speech on enlightenment would be nice. Savy?

Best

Darc



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:05:30 -0600
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Team3S: Injector cleaning intervals (was Exhaust problem?)

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Michael Chan wrote:
> Now I have to push it to get over 400.  My
> injectors were cleaned at one point, how often does this have to be done?

See the message below from RC engineering regarding injector cleaning.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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From: <RCENGINJ@aol.com>
To: <swede@pclink.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 7:03 PM
Subject: injector cleaning


>
>    We recommend servicing the injectors every 80-100K miles.  If the motor
has
> less than 80K miles but has the following symptoms, we recommend servicing
> them.
>
>  1.  Trouble passing smog tests.
>  2.  Rough idle.
>  3.  Poor mileage
>
>     We charge $24.00 per injector.  The turn around time is one day.
>
>     The injectors used on the 95 Stealth is extremely reliable.  As long
as
> you change the fuel filter on a regular basis and use name brand gas, your
> injectors should last you a long time.
>
>     Thank you for your interest in RC Engineering and please feel free to
call
> or e-mail us with any further questions you may have.
>



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:33:16 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Injector cleaning intervals (was Exhaust problem?)

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Just a sidenote :

Servicing the injectors is not cleaning via a fluid poured into the tank. RC understands by servicing that they will be independently cleaned and balanced.

Another effect of an injector cleaner is that the carbon deposits that may clog up the valve seats will be removed (de-cocking). This is the most problem when mileage is going down. Of course, before doign that I'd measure compression and if it is weak this method should help. After this, the comrpession should be tested again to check the results. If then compression is still poor, the rings or in the worser case the pistons are broken and in the worst case the valves are damaged. I doubt that there is any damage and therefore I'd just de-cock the engine. After this, remove the negative lead to the battery for a few minutes and then just drive the car normally. It will take about 150 miles until the learning proces is fine. Therefore allow another tank of gas to run through quicker. Also run the car pretty hard sometimes as this is good for these engines.

Good luck
Roger
93'3000GT TT

PS: I doubt the fuel filter is the cause for this behaviour but I also changed it at the 60k service


> >    We recommend servicing the injectors every 80-100K miles.  If the motor
> has
> > less than 80K miles but has the following symptoms, we recommend servicing
> > them.
> >
> >  1.  Trouble passing smog tests.
> >  2.  Rough idle.
> >  3.  Poor mileage
> >
> >     We charge $24.00 per injector.  The turn around time is one day.
> >
> >     The injectors used on the 95 Stealth is extremely reliable.  As long
> as
> > you change the fuel filter on a regular basis and use name brand gas, your
> > injectors should last you a long time.



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:14:37 -0500
From: monarchi@us.ibm.com
Subject: Team3S: 2 or 4 wheel alignment

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After replacing my two front struts, I am going to need an alignment.  For
a
FWD Stealth ES, do I need a 2 wheel alignment, or 4 ?  Is there anything to
align in the rear ?

Thanks,

  Alan Monarchi





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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:03:11 EST
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine psi capacity before boom?

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First off, thank you all for your input. Second Sorry for mistaking 3 lbs. of
thrust for 3psi. After gathering this info I believe  I will put the order in
today for a duel super e-ram set up.

Thanks All
And I will let you know


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:03:28 EST
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine psi capacity before boom?

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First off, thank you all for your input. Second Sorry for mistaking 3 lbs. of
thrust for 3psi. After gathering this info I believe  I will put the order in
today for a duel super e-ram set up.

Thanks All
And I will let you know


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:08:40 EST
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine psi capacity before boom?

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Ok here is my next question i need 2 y pipes plastic is fine from a vr4 who
upgraded to a hard pipe hopefuly. Any body care to donate or sell for a
reaonable price?


Wei-Lik Liem


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:28:01 -0600
From: "Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Spark Plugs:  Which brand/# for NON-PLATINUMS

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Actually Darc, I don't have the IMP manifold, I just have the stock plenum,
and in the past with 2 people working I have changed the plugs in about 30
minutes.  Once you know where the bolts are it really isn't that hard.

jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX


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From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
To: "vect0r0" <vect0r0@ix.netcom.com>; <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Spark Plugs: Which brand/# for NON-PLATINUMS


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>
>
> Vect0r0
>
> Please sign out like a human so I know who you are. Also, enlighten this
> unwashed one and do tell what IMP is.? I live on the edge of the The Great
> Northen Ice Shelf, and we just don't understand such abbreviations up here
> in Igloo land. However. 30 minutes sounds almost too much to hope for, so
a
> speech on enlightenment would be nice. Savy?
>
> Best
>
> Darc
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:46:44 -0800
From: "Dave Holden" <dholden@deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 2 or 4 wheel alignment

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Alan,

No question.  Any FWD car should get a 4 wheel alignment.  The rear wheels
have the same adjustments as the front ones do.   One thing to watch for
that I ran into with my car is that the cams for setting the rear wheel
camber can seize.  We had to take a torch to mine to get them moving again.

Regards,
Dave Holden
Pearl White '91 R/T
Vancouver, BC

FWD Stealth ES, do I need a 2 wheel alignment, or 4 ?



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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:33:43 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 2 or 4 wheel alignment

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- -----Original Message-----From: monarchi@us.ibm.com
>After replacing my two front struts, I am going to need an
alignment.  For
>a
>FWD Stealth ES, do I need a 2 wheel alignment, or 4 ?  Is there
anything to
>align in the rear ?
>Thanks,
>  Alan Monarchi


Hey, Alan,

Every time you change a setting or replace anything to do with
wheels, tires, or springs, you change the driving dynamic of the
car, and a four-wheel alignment is necessary.  And since the front
struts had to be replaced, it's possible that the rear alignment
might well have been knocked out of spec.  They might not even have
to adjust anything of the rear, but you want to make sure and ask
for the readouts to keep them honest.

There's a great write-up (and diagram) of the interaction between
"Toe, Caster and Camber" and some fundamental info on alignment on
our FAQ pages, under the section "Tires, Wheels, Brakes, Springs":
www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQ.htm .
If you got aftermarket, instead of stock replacement struts, you
might also want to glance at Dennis Bretton's write-up of his Ground
Control installation with GAB struts (his is also a FWD), just for
an idea of what's involved.  It's in the same FAQ section...

Depending on how and where you drive, you might want to ask them to
dial in slightly different settings from stock--  If you drive fast
and have to deal with a lot of curves, some negative camber will
give you better handling, but at the expense of slightly uneven tire
wear.  It's a personal choice, but I always prefer to get slightly
fewer miles on a set of tires in exchange for great control.  In
another compromise, by adding positive caster, you will increase low
speed steering effort, but improve your high speed stability.  We
have 5-stage power steering assist, so to me that's a worthwhile
(and almost unnoticeable) trade-off, too.

Since I also have a FWD Stealth, email me privately if you want my
numbers for my alignment settings...

Best,

Forrest




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