team3s            Monday, February 7 2000            Volume 01 : Number 053




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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:11:10 -0500
From: Kermit Burroughs <mymach5@mindspring.com>
Subject: Team3S: FS:92 VR4

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I'm putting my 92 up for sale.  Basic mods done, lots of stereo mods.
63000 miles.  Asking 14,500.

If interested, email me privately and I'll send you a detailed list of
what's on the car.  BTW, I'm in Richmond, Virginia.  If you're close by,
we could work out a meeting place.

And to answer the obvious question, its just time to move on.

- --
**************
Kermit Burroughs
MyMach5@mindspring.com
IRC - MyMach5
IM - MifuneMoto

"Revolution starts at home,
preferably in the bathroom mirror"




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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:34:17 +0100
From: lehir@genesiscom.ch (Genesiscon Lehir)
Subject: Team3S: Gremlinomobile : Backup Lights

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Not sure if this feature ever worked, anyway.

Car is a 1992 RT/TT

When I engage the REVERSE, my backup lights will flash for a very short
time....then stay OFF.

SO, I've NO backup lights when I engage reverse.

After a couple tests, when I put VVEERRYY slowly the gear in reverse,
moving the gear stick millimeter after millimeter, the lamps will go ON
after 5 millimeter

Stick in neutral-> No backup lights
Stick in front of the reverse position-> No backup lights
Stick starting to travel towards REVERSE (5 millimeters)-> Backup lights are
ON
Stick starting to travel towards REVERSE (1 centimeter)-> No backup lights
anymore
Stick all the way to reverse-> No backup lights

Any ideas what to check ?





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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 03:55:17 -0500
From: "Jason Barnhart" <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gremlinomobile : Backup Lights

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If you hold the stick 5 millimeters back will the lights stay on as long as
the stick is held in that position?  If so, and going by the fact that they
continue to come on even if only momentarily, I would say it's probably not
a short.  If it were a short, you probably would have blown a fuse and they
wouldn't come back on until the fuse was replaced.  I don't understand
exactly how it's determined that the lever is in reverse, but I would assume
there is a simple electrical connection that is made when the lever is in
the reverse position.  This electrical connection could be in virtually any
of the mechanical linkage, but I would hope it'd be near the shifter itself.
It sounds like this connection has been moved so it no longer makes contact
after the lever moves past that point.  It's also possible that the
connection is corroded and just isn't making good enough contact after the
lever moves past that point.  I'm not sure where this connection would be
located, or if it even exists, but the theory seems sound.  I could only
suggest getting in touch with someone who has the shop manuals or that has
dealt with a similar issue for more details.

hope that helps a bit,
Jason

>Stick in neutral-> No backup lights
>Stick in front of the reverse position-> No backup lights
>Stick starting to travel towards REVERSE (5 millimeters)-> Backup lights
are
>ON
>Stick starting to travel towards REVERSE (1 centimeter)-> No backup lights
>anymore
>Stick all the way to reverse-> No backup lights
>
>Any ideas what to check ?




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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:38:50 -0500
From: "WALTER D. BEST" <WDBO39@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gremlinomobile : Backup Lights

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It sounds to like it is a bad reverse light switch, once you move the
transmission fully into reverse it stops making contact within the switch.
That would indicate there is a bad spot in the switch contacts, internal to
the switch.  I have had to replace mine already and it is very easy to do.
The switch is located on the back side (looking down from the front) of the
transmission with two wires leading into it, easiest to get it from
underneath the car.

You can check it by using a Volt Ohm Meter and measure your continuity, and
it should respond just like your reverse light did, for a split second then
loose contact.

But if it was me and since it only cost $4.95, with 3Si discount, from West
Broad Mitsu (1-800-229-1001) I'd just replace it.

Dave Best




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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:12:09 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel cut problem.

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> Lastly regarding the ARC, it simply doesn't seem worth it to spend
> $1000 and have almost no control over the air/fuel curve (and thus
> be able to achieve the right "sweet spot" for your car) at specific
> points in your rpm range.  You're better off with something which
> you can actively ~tune~ yourself like VPC/GCC, AFC, or PMS.
> You also have no control over timing (which you can get with the
> somewhat more expensive Haltech or same priced PMS).

That would be great, if a PMS existed for 3/S cars.  Last time I talked with them, there were no plans to make a PMS for our cars.  Haltech requires more tweaking that I'm capable of doing.

I ordered one of the ARC's, hopefully it'll be good enough for what I need.  Sounds like maybe it isn't though.  Bummer...  I hope I can return it if it is suboptimal!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4


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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:03:40 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel cut problem.

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> > Lastly regarding the ARC, it simply doesn't seem worth it to spend
> > $1000 and have almost no control over the air/fuel curve (and thus
> > be able to achieve the right "sweet spot" for your car) at specific
> > points in your rpm range.

Whoever wrote this had no idea of what he speaks about ! I'm sure he'd never installed it nor studied the capabilities of the ARC or a VPC. The load of the engine is what counts or why does he think the boost rises slower in 4th at 3000 than in 1st at the same rpm ? And does the guy who wrote this know what important value a part of the airflow formula is ... right, rpm ! Oh, by the way, you can always combine it with an AFC if you really want for fine tuning !
> > You're better off with something which
> > you can actively ~tune~ yourself like VPC/GCC, AFC, or PMS.

A very strange statement, there is absolutely no need to tune any curve at the rpm points. I agree with a little fine tuning as the ARC has only 2% steps and I wish to have 1% steps for the fine tuning. The AFC never ever can provide the same capabilities as an ARC or how does this thing measure the load and higher airflow.

> > You also have no control over timing (which you can get with the
> > somewhat more expensive Haltech or same priced PMS).

PMS and Haltech run both into the $1600 area for our cars. The PMS has once been adapted but the datalogging featers were nit worth thinking about.

> That would be great, if a PMS existed for 3/S cars.  Last time I talked with them, there were no plans to make a PMS for our cars.  Haltech requires more tweaking that I'm capable of doing.

True.

> I ordered one of the ARC's, hopefully it'll be good enough for what I need.  Sounds like maybe it isn't though.  Bummer...  I hope I can return it if it is suboptimal!

Why did you ordered it without knowing what it does ? As you also ordered the bigger injectors and pump at the same time, what way did you go ?

I had the AFC, test-installed the VPC/GCC and am using the ARC.... now ask me why I have thrown out the rest. BTW, the topic is totally wrong now because this has absolutely nothing to do with fuel cut !!

Roger
93'3000GT TT



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:23:51 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: Team3S: ARC vs VPC/AFC (was: Fuel cut problem)

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>> I ordered one of the ARC's, hopefully it'll be good enough
>> for what I need.  Sounds like maybe it isn't though. 
>> Bummer...  I hope I can return it if it is suboptimal!

> Why did you ordered it without knowing what it does ? As you
> also ordered the bigger injectors and pump at the same time,
> what way did you go ?

I know what it does, but not how it does it or how adjustable it is.  I essentially went on the knowlege that you (Roger) had provided to the list before about how good it is.  I hadn't heard negative opinions before this point.

I went with 550cc injectors, the ARC, and am ordering the Supra fuel pump.  I don't plan on modifying the car beyond this point (15G's with the above, downpipe, Borla exhaust, high-flow cat, gutting pre-cats, EVC IV), so I think that will be sufficient for my needs for some time to come.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:19:36 -0600
From: Gabriel Estrada <typhoonzz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission Fluid Change

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Can't find anywhere online a maintenance schedule for my 94 VR-4.  I just
rolled over 60k miles, and I am curious to know at what intervals I need to
change tranny and the differential fluids  If someone could please pass to
me when these need to be changed, as well what the best fluid combinations
are.  I don't believe that any of these have ever been changed so I am
curious to see if I am overdue or not.
Thanks in advance
Gabriel Estrada
94 Pearl Yellow VR-4
92 GMC Typhoon



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:26:52 -0800
From: "Benson \"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission Fluid Change

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Well I know that my transfluid was flushed at my 30K service, and I know
they do it on the 60K service.  So I would assume every 30K miles for
certain, but probably more often depending upon how you drive your car.
Also, this is a manual transmission, for automatics, I have no idea :).

Latuh fuh U,
Benson
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:33:50 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Technique for applying window tinting?

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Just wondering if anyone knows an easy way to trim the top edges of the tint
on the windows that move up and down.  AFAIK, you're supposed to leave about
1/4" space from the top edge of the tint to the top edge of the window, so
how do you get it even (straight) and not scratch the glass?  I know on the
back glass, it's got the nice black edge around the glass, so the edge
doesn't have to be perfect, but on the driver/passenger windows, the top
edge doesn't have that.  Suggestions?

Thanks!
- --Erik




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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:34:47 -0800
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel Injector questions...

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"R.G." wrote:

> > the point you're trying to make.  260cfm is max for 9Bs at 15psi, so this
> > is definitely the most you could expect from them at redline.
>
> Damn, why can one know how much they flow if there are no maps around. I
> don't understand this !
> Are you saying that 15psi is the max one can expect at teh redline ? If the
> 260cfm is correct @ 15 psi then it is impossible that tehy can hold this
> boot at 7000. The calc says that boost is limited to 8.3 psi then as the
> engine sucks in more air than the 9b would be able to deliver at 15 psi.

This is what I was trying to say all along.  I said airflow must be
lower than 260 cfm at redline, and it seemed you were questioning
this claim because I don't have the flow maps.  So in my statement
above, ALL I was saying is that 260 cfm ~must~ be the upper
ceiling but we know that actual airflow would be less.  :)

> > lean.  The ECU is constantly adjusting the mixture to attain roughy 0.5v
> > under normal driving conditions.  This does NOT apply at WOT.  At
> > WOT the ECU goes into open loop mode and ignores the O2 sensor
> > completely.  At that point the ECU (in our cars) dumps as much fuel as
>
> I do not fully disagree with the great information. The only fact that is
> forgotten is that the ECU goes in open loop when the TPS is showing a more
> than 50% open condition and a larger amount of air flow. Simply open the
> throttle fully at 2500 rpm and the mixture goes rich. [snip]
> opened less time. Now, at WOT (or what the ECU thinks is WOT) fuel is still
> dumped in like crazy causing the ovwer-rich conditions.

So it seems you're ~now~ saying that the ~is~ a connection between
the switch between open/closed loop and the injectors dumping in
fuel "like crazy."  I was originally responding to your statement:

>>> I guess somebody is mixing different wordings here. Open-Loop means
>>> the ECU uses table vlaues for the injectors without looking at the O2
>>> sensors !! This has nothing to do with the injectors beiing wide open.

And as Barry suggested one time, it is possible that the TPS is ~not~
the only factor which the ECU uses to decide whether or not to go
to open loop.  It's quite possible that it also takes airflow (from the
MAS) into account which would explain why he was able to keep it
in closed loop with an AFC and its tuning capabilities.  :)

> PS: Don't forget the weak ignition in our cars...

Still a major bummer.  And the stock cams are another limiting factor.

- --Errin
Seattle



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:42:27 -0700
From: "Kevin Fanciulli" <StealthTwinTurbo@bigfoot.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gremlinomobile : Backup Lights

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My '92 RT/TT has this problem -- no reverse lights.  It is in the shop right
now and was found to be a MISSING reverse switch!  It's not even IN the car!
I bought the car last July, so I'm not sure about it's history before
that.... like, where did it go???

- -kevin fanciulli
'92 Stealth RT/TT (still getting Getrag, t-case, etc etc etc etc fixed --
almost 2 months in the shop)
3Si #0375

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Subject: Re: Team3S: Gremlinomobile : Backup Lights


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It sounds to like it is a bad reverse light switch, once you move the
transmission fully into reverse it stops making contact within the switch.
That would indicate there is a bad spot in the switch contacts, internal to
the switch.  I have had to replace mine already and it is very easy to do.
The switch is located on the back side (looking down from the front) of the
transmission with two wires leading into it, easiest to get it from
underneath the car.

You can check it by using a Volt Ohm Meter and measure your continuity, and
it should respond just like your reverse light did, for a split second then
loose contact.

But if it was me and since it only cost $4.95, with 3Si discount, from West
Broad Mitsu (1-800-229-1001) I'd just replace it.

Dave Best




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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:23:04 -0600
From: "Trevor L. James" <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Transmission Fluid Change

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My owners manual says to check the fluid in the tranny, transfer case, and rear
end at 30K and every 30K after that. It doesn't say anything about changing it.
However the "Severe Duty" chart says to change the tranny and transfer case
fluid every 30K. It doesn't say anything about the diff fluid. This "severe
duty" chart also recommends changing the plugs every 15K!

Trevor
96 Stealth R/T TT
92 GMC Typhoon
AWD Turbo Terrors!!

Gabriel Estrada wrote:

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>
> Can't find anywhere online a maintenance schedule for my 94 VR-4.  I just
> rolled over 60k miles, and I am curious to know at what intervals I need to
> change tranny and the differential fluids  If someone could please pass to
> me when these need to be changed, as well what the best fluid combinations
> are.  I don't believe that any of these have ever been changed so I am
> curious to see if I am overdue or not.
> Thanks in advance
> Gabriel Estrada
> 94 Pearl Yellow VR-4
> 92 GMC Typhoon
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:33:46 -0800
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Re: ARC vs VPC/AFC

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Hi Roger,

"R.G." wrote:

> Whoever wrote this had no idea of what he speaks about !

I'm not offended by this statement, but I would prefer that you talk to
me directly rather than in third person style.  :)

> I'm sure he'd never installed it nor studied the capabilities of the

> ARC or a VPC.

What I've written is based on information I've gathered from Barry
King's old posts as well as from speaking to Jack Tertadian (you
already know his accomplishments) and Mike Mahaffey (modifies
VPC for 2nd gens, sells the ARC, set up the fastest no-NOS VR4).

> The load of the engine is what counts or why does he think the boost

> rises slower in 4th at 3000 than in 1st at the same rpm ? And does the

> guy who wrote this know what important value a part of the airflow

> formula is ... right, rpm !

Ok, I'm not sure why you are bringing this stuff up. It would be much
easier if you simply addressed my following statements which I have
been saying all along.  If I am wrong, then please correct me:

1) The ARC-GP2 does not allow you to ~actively~ modify the curve
by which fuel is delivered over the rpm range, whether at high or low
throttle.  The GCC and AFC allow you to do this, and so did the
unfortunately now defunct TRE MASC unit.

2) The ARC-GP2 does not have specific chips which are tailor made
for certain injector sizes.  You simply turn a knob to "choose" your
injector.  This is different than the VPC.

3) If 1 and 2 are correct, then the ARC is no better than having a
VPC ~without~ a GCC, a setup which most people find extremely
impractical once you go to ~larger~ than stock injectors and turbos.

4) Allegedly, build quality is an issue with the ARC.  It might not
hold up as well over time as the HKS or Apexi units.

> Oh, by the way, you can always combine it with an AFC if you

> really want for fine tuning !

Right, but I'm not sure many people are interested in paying $1000
just for an 83mm flow meter.  That's why I've been asking about the
possibility of getting somebody (maybe even Split Second) to produce
the bigger MAS just by itself.  Barry King was talking about this a
long time ago on Starnet.

> The AFC never ever can provide the same capabilities as an ARC

> or how does this thing measure the load and higher airflow.

The AFC and ARC are both piggyback units.  The only difference
is that the ARC utilizes its own larger airflow meter.  Other than that,
the ARC has no inherent advantages over the AFC since the AFC
simply modifies signals sent by the stock MAS.  The AFC has
~many~ features which the ARC does not have including the ability
to actively tune your fuel curve.  This tuning is rpm instead of airflow
based, but it seems to be sufficient since it is simply modifying signals
from the MAS and the map is semi-3D (has high and low throttle
maps).  It has worked well for many many fast reliable setups here in
the U.S. as well as Japan.

> PMS and Haltech run both into the $1600 area for our cars. The

> PMS has once been adapted but the datalogging featers were nit

> worth thinking about.

I've only seen the PMS selling for about $1000US.  Datalogging aside,
lack of ability to tune the timing curve is a major deficiency.

> I had the AFC, test-installed the VPC/GCC and am using the ARC....

> now ask me why I have thrown out the rest.

I think most of us are concerned with the useability, tuneability,
practicality, and reliability of these systems when they are really
being put to the real test, in other words when they are used with
larger injectors, turbos and fuel pump.

- --Errin
Seattle



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:45:24 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel Injector questions...

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> This is what I was trying to say all along.  I said airflow must be
> lower than 260 cfm at redline, and it seemed you were questioning
> this claim because I don't have the flow maps.  So in my statement
> above, ALL I was saying is that 260 cfm ~must~ be the upper
> ceiling but we know that actual airflow would be less.  :)

Agreed.  Total airflow for a pair of 9Bs will be less than the 520 cfm
projected at redline with a full head of steam.

> > > lean.  The ECU is constantly adjusting the mixture to attain
> roughy 0.5v
> > > under normal driving conditions.  This does NOT apply at WOT.  At
> > > WOT the ECU goes into open loop mode and ignores the O2 sensor
> > > completely.  At that point the ECU (in our cars) dumps as much fuel as
> >
> > I do not fully disagree with the great information. The only
> fact that is
> > forgotten is that the ECU goes in open loop when the TPS is
> showing a more
> > than 50% open condition and a larger amount of air flow. Simply open the
> > throttle fully at 2500 rpm and the mixture goes rich. [snip]
> > opened less time. Now, at WOT (or what the ECU thinks is WOT)
> fuel is still
> > dumped in like crazy causing the ovwer-rich conditions.
>
> So it seems you're ~now~ saying that the ~is~ a connection between
> the switch between open/closed loop and the injectors dumping in
> fuel "like crazy."  I was originally responding to your statement:
>
> >>> I guess somebody is mixing different wordings here. Open-Loop means
> >>> the ECU uses table vlaues for the injectors without looking at the O2
> >>> sensors !! This has nothing to do with the injectors beiing wide open.
>
> And as Barry suggested one time, it is possible that the TPS is ~not~
> the only factor which the ECU uses to decide whether or not to go
> to open loop.  It's quite possible that it also takes airflow (from the
> MAS) into account which would explain why he was able to keep it
> in closed loop with an AFC and its tuning capabilities.  :)

The ECU looks at more than a few things according to the TRE experts at the
time and the details I have been able to gather from various presumably
reliable sources.

The ECU looks at the EGO only for cross-counts.  The voltage observed is
around the 0.5 V mark.  No other votlages can be directly related to the
mixture.  Period.  The ECU will also cause a 0.0V or a full scale voltage to
appear depending upon other conditions.

High cross counts means a good lean burn.  Low cross counts can mean too
lean or too rich.  If the voltage is above 0.5V and cross counts are low the
ECU assumes a rich condition.

The TPS also will dump fuel in varying amounts.  At low angles of opening
and low changes in opening, a small amount of fuel is added to enrich the
mixture temporarily.  This is similar to the old style accelerator pump.  At
high openings and rapid changes above a certain angle (I do not know what it
is, Roger's value of 50% seems reasonable) and with RPMs above a certain
threshold, the ECU will simply start dumping as much fuel as possible.  At
WOT above a certain RPM this is also the case -- dump fuel as fast as the
sytem will deliver.

As to the stock MAS, at 600 cfm or so the counting system loses accuracy and
starts missing beats.  The ECU is actually told that less air is flowing
than there really is present.  This for me was another motivation for going
to a different style of meter whether it actually flows better or not.

The MAF I now have (from TRE) is supposedly calibrated up to 900 cfm.  That
is far in excess of the amount of HP I'll ever make.  Also, the flow numbers
(which I do not have) are supposedly superior to that of the stock MAS.
This is not hard to believe when you consider that the TRE MAF is literally
a virtually unrestricted tube of aluminum large enough that the average male
can fit their fist into ;).  Don't start a car equipped with one of these
without an air filter and small animals around.  The family cat might end up
being blown out through the exhaust.

> > PS: Don't forget the weak ignition in our cars...

I am not convinced the ignition is "weak".  It may not be adequate for
doubling the rated HP, but I don't know how it is inherently weak.  Pushing
21-30 psi through a cylinder and expecting a 0.045" gapped plug to fire with
pretty much any stock ignition would be optimistic at best.  Maybe some
manufacturers overbuild their ignitions and Mitsubishi didn't.  *shrug*

> Still a major bummer.  And the stock cams are another limiting factor.
>
> --Errin
> Seattle



Barry



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:03:40 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel cut problem.

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> > Lastly regarding the ARC, it simply doesn't seem worth it to spend
> > $1000 and have almost no control over the air/fuel curve (and thus
> > be able to achieve the right "sweet spot" for your car) at specific
> > points in your rpm range.

Whoever wrote this had no idea of what he speaks about ! I'm sure he'd never installed it nor studied the capabilities of the ARC or a VPC. The load of the engine is what counts or why does he think the boost rises slower in 4th at 3000 than in 1st at the same rpm ? And does the guy who wrote this know what important value a part of the airflow formula is ... right, rpm ! Oh, by the way, you can always combine it with an AFC if you really want for fine tuning !
> > You're better off with something which
> > you can actively ~tune~ yourself like VPC/GCC, AFC, or PMS.

A very strange statement, there is absolutely no need to tune any curve at the rpm points. I agree with a little fine tuning as the ARC has only 2% steps and I wish to have 1% steps for the fine tuning. The AFC never ever can provide the same capabilities as an ARC or how does this thing measure the load and higher airflow.

> > You also have no control over timing (which you can get with the
> > somewhat more expensive Haltech or same priced PMS).

PMS and Haltech run both into the $1600 area for our cars. The PMS has once been adapted but the datalogging featers were nit worth thinking about.

> That would be great, if a PMS existed for 3/S cars.  Last time I talked with them, there were no plans to make a PMS for our cars.  Haltech requires more tweaking that I'm capable of doing.

True.

> I ordered one of the ARC's, hopefully it'll be good enough for what I need.  Sounds like maybe it isn't though.  Bummer...  I hope I can return it if it is suboptimal!

Why did you ordered it without knowing what it does ? As you also ordered the bigger injectors and pump at the same time, what way did you go ?

I had the AFC, test-installed the VPC/GCC and am using the ARC.... now ask me why I have thrown out the rest. BTW, the topic is totally wrong now because this has absolutely nothing to do with fuel cut !!

Roger
93'3000GT TT



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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 19:20:13 -0500
From: "Michael Booker" <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Team3S: A/F ratio data for NA cars.

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