team3s
Tuesday, January 18
2000 Volume 01
: Number
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Date:
Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:21:18 +0100
From:
lehir@genesiscom.ch (Genesiscon
Lehir)
Subject: Team3S: Gremlinomobile
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Hello, got an interesting
"Germlin" (ab additional one) in my 92 RT/TT.
Last Sunday, I
installed 100 W bulbs in my Fog lights (see previous post),
and installed a
K&N air filter (the OEM replacement.....NOT the FIPK).
After the
install....everyting was fine....
Yesterday, the car felt slow.....sure,
I only got 0.45-0.50 bar, instead of
my usual 0.70-0.90 bar (depending on the
DBSC setup).
The measurement of the boost was NOT a problem, as the same
pressure was
recorded by the DBCS and the Blitz Dual Turbo Timer.
I
thought that the problem MIGHT be related to the install of the fol
lights,
creating an electrical problem....after all, how could I mess up
installing
an air filter...
After a quick check (ahem, about 1 hour) is was obvious
that the problem was
NOT related to the fog light.
So....went to the
next possibility....
I re-opened the air box, and checked
everyting....all was clamped correctly,
and the box was closed...(looked at
it with a dentist's mirrot)..I cleaned
the MAS connector (it wasn't dirty
anyway), and went for a test
drive....leaving the K&N filter in
there.
Boost was back as normal (full).....for....something like 5
minutes....THEN,
I got back the 0.45 level.....DOH.
Came back home, re
checked the Air box...everything was fine....removed the
K&N filter, put
back the stock air filter.....went for a ride....got
full
boost...
Puzzling, isn't it ????
Came back....looked at
the stock & K&N filters...were PERFECTS...looked at
the MAF, was
PERFECT too.
Put the K&N back in it....Full boost, THEN low
boost....
Interesting...heh.......I H(-;A(-;T(-;E(-; this
car...
Came back....re-looked at everything.....
Finally, in
despair, I simply rotated the K&N air filter.....It was
installed with
the UP side....up....but the label was towards the windshield
(I have an US
import, LHD car), I rotated it conterclockwise, one quarter
turn....so the
"this side up" label is now facing the right
fender...closed
everything...went for a test drive....got full boost, again,
and again, and
again.....
So, here's my question.....WHY
????!!!!!
The air filter looks SQUARE...but may be it's not
completely.....but....even
if installed 1/4 turn wrong.....HOW the H*** would
this explain the low
boost.....
Henri.
PS : Did I told you how
nice, knowledgeable, helpful and friendly Roger Gerl
is....no...well...I just
said it (-:
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:51:33
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From: "Sam Shelat" <
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Subject: Re:
Team3S: Question about ABS
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All I have to say about ABS, is that my 94
Transam had a much better,
quieter, and more transparent ABS system then my
95 VR4. I noticed right
away how sensitive our system is. The T/A
was much more tractable and it
only came on under emergency situations and
very hard braking and only for
the last few seconds.
Sam
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-----Original Message-----
From: Genesiscon Lehir <
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To: 'R.G.'
<
robby@freesurf.ch>; 'Team3S
Technical Forum'
<
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Date:
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:09 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Question about
ABS
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>
>
>Hello everyone....
>
>>>I
mostly disagree on this topics !
>
>I'm afraid I disagree with you
on on that one.....:-)
>
>>> Or do you think the people in DTM
and
>>>other circle track events are that bad drivers so they
installed ABS ?
>
>Well, there are a LOT of different ABS....and
some are better than
others...
>and....F1 drivers do NOT use
ABS.....so....
>
>I do NOT know about the one in the Mitsu 3000, but
I know the '92
>RT/TT...and it SUCKS...
>
>>>In 80% of
the cases even the most experienced driver caused the wheels
to
>>>lock up.
>
>Not a real problem if the driver
immediately releases the pressure just
>BELOW the lock
point.
>
>>> At this point he looses against
ABS.
>
>As said before, it depends WHICH
ABS...
>
>>> We made so many tests during our driving and
racing schools and only
>>>the M3 we had came pretty close to the
braking distance like ABS did.
>
>I did several tests at TCS
(touring club Suisse), and I can outbrake a LOT
>of 1st gen
ABS...
>Like in my Toyota Supra Turbo, Celica GT4, Subaru SVX.(I do not
have these
>cars anymore)
>I can match my ABS in my 300 ZX TT (still
have it)..
>
>These tests were made on a plastic surface simulating
heavy rain...
>
>>> With more and more experience I was
able
>>>not to lock up the wheels but with a lot of
concentration.
>
>That's a good point....without ABS, you need a LOT
of concentration.
>
>>> And what if yo uhave to brake and turn
the lane at the same time because
>a child jump >>onto the street
?
>
>Well, depends how you drive....(and, BTW, I've been in your
car....you
drive
>better than that....:-)
>
>>>
Without ABS you gonna loose your end and our tests showed
that
>>>the (dummy) child got hit by the end of the car. Not with
ABS !
>
>for an average driver, or with an improper
technique...maybe.....but
>otherwise....
>
>>>You know
what happens when two wheels are on slippery road and the
others
>on
>>>dry.
>
>Yup. I know
;-)
>
>>> Now a racing driver does this every day but not we
"normal"
>>>humans. I had this situation in rain and had
hydroplaning on one side
when
>I
>>>had to do the emergency
braking. The ABS did the perfect job and I just
>had
>>>to
step onto the brakes as hard as I can (CDs flying around....) and
was
>>>able to concentrate for the steering wheel including looking
in the
>mirror.
>>>Hey, we humans are not multitask compatible
so this is why we develop
such
>>>things !
>
>Agree,
ABS can do that...BUT...it will INCREASE your stropping distance
as
>well...
>
>Remember that nice G-forces analyst I
have...
>
>>>No, our tests and my snow- and ice driving
experience over all this years
>>>here in the Alps tell a different
story.
>
>Well.....I did a couple tests (normal procedure for me
when I get a new
>car), and the ABS in MY RT/TT (once again, yours might
be better) is
>AWFUL.....
>
>>>ABS is an emergency
aiding braking system.
>
>Yes, but......I simply HATE to have an
"aid" that will more than double my
>stopping distance on
snow/ice.
>It's performance is acceptable on dry pavement, and
"about" ok on a wet
>one...
>
>>>Yes, the ones
from 15 years ago did this. ABS is inactivated when
the
>wheels
>>>do not turn anymore.
>
>Well...I'm
afraid my ABS is 15 years old then...
>and the fact that my ABS is
governed by the wheel with the LEAST traction
>makes me think it's quite
an old design, indeed.
>
>>>Oh, it safed my front also at
20mph in snow as I was able to make a turn
>in
>>>snow with
pushing the pedal :-)
>
>ABS will ALWAYS allow you to TURN...this is
not the point...NOT breaking at
>all
>allows you to turn as
well.....point is....you MAY be able to steer without
>thinking about the
panic stop....BUT....you'll need a LONGER distance to
>stop. And IMHO,
TWICE the distance is NOT acceptable....
>
>> my personal opinion
after 15 years of vehicle dynamics experience.
>> to answer your
question, even if the vehicle is on a straight line, tire
>> lock up
will let the tail fo sideways. so, ABS is needed regardless of
>>
steering wheel position (for ordinary drivers)
>
>>>Yep, I
totally agree.
>
>Me too...but.....if you know what you're
doing....
>
>In __MY__ case...when there's snow....the ABS fuse
is.....missing..
>
>Just a clarification....I'm not telling that
eveyone should disable their
>ABS...
>In __MY__ case, I do the
following
>
>DRY : ABS : ON
>WET : ABS : ON
>SNOW: ABS :
OFF (and I got that nice light to remind me it's off)
>
>and....I
practiced NOT locking my tires a many many many times...and I know
>how to
do it.
>
>Henri..
>
>Crazy Swiss driving on
snow....
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:41:00
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From: "Tim DeKeyser" <
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Subject:
Team3S: Compression check
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All,
I'm not a mechanic (wish I were), and I
need some advice. I was told to
diagnose my turbo PSI problem (4-5max) with
a compression check. I will do
so eventually, but I was thinking. If I had a
compression problem, then that
would mean oil will get past the rings, and
since I only loose 1/2 qt every
3-4000 miles, dosent that mean my
compression is OK?? It also NEVER blows
smoke of any kind when I step on
it.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:06:51
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From: Rah <
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Subject: Re: Team3S: Sunroof
Question
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Not the post, but there's a thing in the front of the
opening that has a
spring behind it, you know what I mean?
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--Rich
Manoj Prasad wrote:
> Once the sunroof is off, why don't
you just roll down the post that sticks
> up. I do that and it looks
fine.
>
> Rgds
> Moe P
>
> Rah
wrote:
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> > Hello all,
>
> I have a 93 R/T TT with the sunroof, and I'm sure
you're all
> > framiliar with the spring/hinge thingy that kind of aids
you in putting
> > it on and sticks up when it's off.
>
> Well, I can't help but think it looks a little
akward how it sticks
> > up when driving, assuming I'm not forgetting
to do something I should.
> > So, knowing this is an odd question to
ask in January, have people made
> > up simple ways to make it stay
down or rigged up something special?
> >
> > Just
Curious,
> > --Rich
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:55:55
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From: "Oskar" <
swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Sunroof Question
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I think you are talking about the wind deflector.
To
lower the wind deflector I use a 3" nail. I depress the wind
deflector
and then insert the nail into one of the guide slots for the
sunroof. When
I let up on the deflector it catches on the nail and the
end result is that
the wind deflector is tilted down about halfway between
fully extended and
fully depressed.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
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From: "Rah" <
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> Not the post, but there's
a thing in the front of the opening that has a
> spring behind it, you
know what I mean?
>
> --Rich
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:40:14
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From: "Bob Forrest" <
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Subject: Team3S:
Admin Notice: Archives being transferred
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All,
I am in the process of
moving our archive files (zip files of the
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process was interrupted by a glitch, but
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:00:14
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From: Manoj Prasad <
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Subject: Re:
Team3S: Sunroof Question
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Once the sunroof is off, why don't you just roll
down the post that sticks
up. I do that and it looks
fine.
Rgds
Moe P
Rah wrote:
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>
> Hello
all,
> I have a 93 R/T TT with the sunroof, and
I'm sure you're all
> framiliar with the spring/hinge thingy that kind of
aids you in putting
> it on and sticks up when it's
off.
> Well, I can't help but think it looks a
little akward how it sticks
> up when driving, assuming I'm not forgetting
to do something I should.
> So, knowing this is an odd question to ask in
January, have people made
> up simple ways to make it stay down or rigged
up something special?
>
> Just Curious,
>
--Rich
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:22:43
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From: "Gross, Erik" <
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Subject:
Team3S: RE: Gremlinomobile
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<snip>
> Puzzling, isn't it
????
>
> Came back....looked at the stock & K&N
filters...were
> PERFECTS...looked at
> the MAF, was PERFECT
too.
>
> Put the K&N back in it....Full boost, THEN low
boost....
<snip>
I don't suppose you remembered to
disconnect your battery fo 20 minutes or
so after installing the K&N, did
you? Just checking because you didn't
mention it. You need to do
this anytime you make substantial changes to the
intake (and probably exhaust
and fuel systems, too) so that the ECU can
start over with the default A/F
curves and "learn" what to expect in the
future...
-
--Erik
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Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC,
5-speed) 65,000
mi
Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
Magnacor KV85 spark
plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator
intact
Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
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