team3s            Monday, January 10 2000            Volume 01 : Number 018




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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 02:35:04 -0800
From: Fred Hamilton <fred@yonkitime.com>
Subject: Team3S: Replacing tires

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Tonight some joker put a pebble in-between my VR-4's tire stem and the
cap, letting all the air out of my left rear tire.  Unfortunately, I
didn't notice it until after I'd driven the car about 1-2 miles at
70MPH.  (That says wonders about how great the rim/tire assembly is or
what an insensitive driver I am.)  When I discovered it, the tire was
red hot, looking almost wet/melted in the area of about 1/4" around the
rim.  I pumped it up and for now it's holding pressure, but I think I
need to replace it.

My question is: how many new tires do I need to buy?  I assume I should
at least buy a pair, but I remember reading/hearing that with the AWD
the diameters of all 4 tires need to be closely matched or there may be
trouble in the front/rear transfer thingamajig.  What's your opinion?
I'd like to avoid buying 4 new tires if I can, but I'll do it if I have
to.  The tires on the car now probably have at least 50% of their usable
tread left.

Thanks,
Fred


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:16:56 -0600
From: "Noah Erickson" <noaherickson@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: How fast is your non-turbo

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Um, they aren't still making 3000s at all...  '99 is the last year, and
there are precious few VR4's.  BTW, that 'Stang either has no power mods, is
broken, is driven by an idiot, or a combination of the above.  A modified
5.0L or 4.6L with a good driver should hose a non-turbo.  Well, a medium- to
heavily-modified 4.6L, anyway.

> Your right, Mustangs always try their hand with me, and end up being
learned
> from the Stealth. Hey, by the way anyone, are they still making 3000gt's
> with TT and 4WD ?? I would like to look into a new one. Maybe a 2000
model.
>
>
> Tim
> '91 Stealth TT
> Dallas, TX
>

Noah Erickson
1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 # 1954
      Tsymyn on irc.dsm.org  #dsm      ICQ# 29810261






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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:12:58 GMT
From: "Tim DeKeyser" <tdekeyser@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Replacing tires

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Fred,

I have gotten a flat, and did not notice it TWICE. The tire most likely has
damage to it's walls, and the rim may even be cracked. I have seen the rim
look fine, then find out later that it leaks air from the inner lip area.
The rims are expensive, and hard to find a used one. I took mine to a shop
where they fix alumminum rims, and got my moneys worth. You are looking at a
pair at least - $400 for a good set.


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From: Fred Hamilton <fred@yonkitime.com>
Reply-To: fred@yonkitime.com
To: "'Team 3S'" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Team3S: Replacing tires
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 02:35:04 -0800

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Tonight some joker put a pebble in-between my VR-4's tire stem and the
cap, letting all the air out of my left rear tire.  Unfortunately, I
didn't notice it until after I'd driven the car about 1-2 miles at
70MPH.  (That says wonders about how great the rim/tire assembly is or
what an insensitive driver I am.)  When I discovered it, the tire was
red hot, looking almost wet/melted in the area of about 1/4" around the
rim.  I pumped it up and for now it's holding pressure, but I think I
need to replace it.

My question is: how many new tires do I need to buy?  I assume I should
at least buy a pair, but I remember reading/hearing that with the AWD
the diameters of all 4 tires need to be closely matched or there may be
trouble in the front/rear transfer thingamajig.  What's your opinion?
I'd like to avoid buying 4 new tires if I can, but I'll do it if I have
to.  The tires on the car now probably have at least 50% of their usable
tread left.

Thanks,
Fred


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:18:01 EST
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Still won't start

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Dave:

    This is straight from the service manual for a 91 TT Stealth:

Troubleshooting Hints.

1.  Engine cranks, but does not start.

    (1) Spark is insufficient or does not occur at all (on spark plug)

        Check ignition coil
        Check crank angle sensor
        Check power transistor
        check spark plugs
        check spark plug cable

    (2) Spark is good.

        Check ignition timing

    I can't recall if you said your spark was strong or not.  Did you check
the power transistor?  Let me know if you need the testing procedure.

    I know I have mentioned this before, but are you sure your camshafts are
in alignment with your crank?  I know your timing belt slipped from your past
posts.  If you rotated your crankshaft clockwise to realign your marks,
chances are your crank is out 180 degrees.  I know you think this is not
possible, but it is and it happens.  Mechanicall, it should not make a
difference.  Electronically it does.  And chances are your NO. 4 cylinder is
firing when your No. 1 cylinder is on its compression stroke.

    In this regard, note the following admonishment from the Service Manual:

    INSTALLATION OF THE CRANK ANGLE SENSOR

    Turn the crankshaft so that the No. 1 cylinder is at compression at top
dead center.  CAUTION:  BE CAREFUL NOT TO TURN IT TO THE NO. 4 CYLINDER
COMPRESSION TOP DEAD CENTER BY MISTAKE!

    Install lining up the matchmarks on the crank angle sensor housing and
the coupling.

    Since the work you performed on your car was timing, and your timing belt
slipped, and our cars have a 1:2 camshaft/crankshaft rotation ratio, I still
sense that your timing is out 180 degrees.  The car worked before you changed
your belt, it worked after you changed your belt, your belt slipped,
everything is back together, and now you wont start.  THe only think you
messed with is the timing.  Now, I know you disagree, but please be sure you
checked this before sending your car off on the towtruck.  You can save
yourself A LOT of money, a lot of time, and you wont have to hear me say "I
told you so!"  And I'll be humbled if I'm wrong.


Joe 91TT



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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:54:39 -0500
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Still won't start

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Dave! My car is going through the same thing right now. Everything is
aligned and in time. but it won't crank back up. The mechanic doing mine
had everything together, the car was running, and then it died.
Here is the culprit: Crank angle sensor. He accidentily smacked it when
gerring the crankshaft oil seal off. The car started, was running, but
died. I reccomend you check out the crank sensor on your car.

Matt


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:36:19 -0600
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: A/T OD not working

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On the DSM's which have the same model tranny, but with maybe a little
different gearing, the weak point is the OD clutch assy. An o-ring collapses
or deteriorates, and then block at-fluid pressure to the clutch pack, and
feels like your car is in neutral. Sounds like a bad thing eh?

As long as you haven't tried to put it into OD much, you should still be ok,
and the fix is from 30 to 200$, and can be done ON CAR. All you have to do
is remove the passenger front wheel, and the splash shield, and you will see
the end of the tranny. This is where the clutch pack is, and it needs to be
removed and inspected. I haven't done it myself, but have heard a couple
people doing it, and saying it was quite easy.

You can always join club dsm A/T, and ask your questions when you get more
into the tranny there (on a onelist list). The oring is cheap, the clutch
pack is about 170$ (1888tallmits).

Good luck!

Vineet Singh
Manuals On CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org  -  "Never Lift To Shift!"


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:44:26 -0600
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: CD manuals

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I just got caught up on my emails and some other stuff. I ran out of the DSM
CD's during christmas, and decided to "overhaul" BOTH CD's. The DSM CD will
get the same gui menu system the 3/S CD has, and I just tested them both on
windows 2000, and the GUI treats the OS as if it was Windows NT (I had made
it slightly different for both platforms, transparent to the user). Windows
2000 was the thing I was really waiting for before sending out more CD's
that were "untested" on this newer OS (which I'm sure a lot of people will
end up having)

Both CD's will now have newer versions of adobe acrobat on them, and one
page re-scanned on the 3/S one. The DSM CD will have the new 2g tech manual
on it, as well as updated VFAQ.COM and 1000q.dsm.org www sites (thanks to
Tom Stangl and Sean Costall).

Both CD's will be fully tested by the end of today, and will likely ship
tommorow (well the outstanding ones and also 2 express ones atleast, I can
only burn so fast :). I apologize for any delays people have experienced
recently with thier CD orders, I have about 15 outstanding orders, which
have taken longer than my usual "less than 2 week" order processing.

I hope you can all understand, and am sure you will like the CD even more
with the minor updates. If possible, I will post any applicable updates to
my www site (below). Thanks again!

Vineet Singh
Manuals On CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org  -  "Never Lift To Shift!"


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:28:48 -0600
From: "Kyle Meyer" <kyle@logicaldirection.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Starter problems

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I have had the exact same problem with my car for roughly a year now, just
more consistently... If the key is put in the ignition, and turned to start
at a normal rate of speed, it will not start. If it is placed into ACC, and
then turned to start, the car will just sit there. The ONLY way it will
fire, is if you **rapidly** turn the key from locked all the way to start.
It's definitely not my starter, it catches and cranks fine once I move the
key fast. I imagine it's just a problem with the switch (or maybe a relay).
I've never fixed it because it made it to where I am the only person that
can start my car (other than Team3s members now :).

If they actually identify the problem sometime I'd be interested in knowing
what the fix was. If I figure mine out I'll spill the beans as well.
- -Kyle

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Chris Winkley
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:40 PM
> To: 'Tim DeKeyser'; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Starter problems
>
>
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>
>
> Tim...
>
> Check the battery connections. Also check for play in the switch itself.
> This is especially at risk if you hang bowling balls or other
> heavy items on
> your keychain.  :-)   Seriously, the switch wears and may not
> always make a
> good connection. The symptoms should not have gone away when replacing the
> starter if the problem could be traced to either of these, but
> intermittent
> problems can be a bear.
>
> Looking forward...Chris
>



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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:14:11 EST
From: Mrlove7325@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: New here,Bad lifters?

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Hi, I have a 93 3000GT N/T .A couple months ago (right after I bought it) my
car started ticking. I took it in to the dealer and they told me it was the
lifters and it would cost me 800.00 dollars to fix. Is there a easier fix? or
am I out of luck? It also started cutting out or "surging" when I step on the
gas pedal. I changed the fuel filter but it didnt help. Could these problems
be related? The car only has about 67,000 miles on it.


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:08:39 -0800
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New here,Bad lifters?

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Hi ?

Buy a reputable oil flush product and run it through the engine as per
manufacturer's instruction. Drain and replace with a new filter and
Synthetic oil ( I use Mobil). This will hopefully take care of the ticking
problem.  This is a problem with TT's (however I note yours is an NT) and
this regularly takes care of it.  Then, change oil every 2000-2500
thereafter. It's the best thing you can do for your car. (As a matter in
passing, with 67000 on it, I hope the timing belt was changed before you
bought it as this is required at 60,000.) For the surging you might also try
another additive. Pour in a can of the best Injector Cleaner you can find.
This "may" take care of it. Add Injector Cleaner every now and then to keep
them clean.

Best

Darc
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From: Mrlove7325@aol.com <Mrlove7325@aol.com>
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Sunday, January 09, 2000 11:15 PM
Subject: Team3S: New here,Bad lifters?


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>
>
>Hi, I have a 93 3000GT N/T .A couple months ago (right after I bought it)
my
>car started ticking. I took it in to the dealer and they told me it was the
>lifters and it would cost me 800.00 dollars to fix. Is there a easier fix?
or
>am I out of luck? It also started cutting out or "surging" when I step on
the
>gas pedal. I changed the fuel filter but it didnt help. Could these
problems
>be related? The car only has about 67,000 miles on it.
>
>
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