team3s
Saturday, July 1
2000
Volume 01 : Number
182
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Date:
Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:01:31 -0400
From: "Mark Elkin" <
markelkin@mindspring.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Virus warning on list
Guys,
My McAfee program informed me
of a virus detected in an attachment from
Robby/SOL. The attachment is
called pretty park .exe. If you have
received this
attachment, don't open it.
McAfee tried to clean the virus but was unable
to so I will just delete the
e-mail. This virus came through team 3s,
not through starnet, but I thought
it wise to send a notice to both
lists.
Mark
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:11:12
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Admin NOTICE: VIRUS--DO NOT OPEN ROGER'S MESSAGE!!!
This message
was posted to the list by his infected computer, not by
Roger (Robby).
It contains the VERY damaging worm, "Pretty Park.exe"
Reply privately if
you have problems...
Roger has temporarily been removed from the list
until his problem is
cleared. If you receive a private email from him,
do not open it if it
has an attachment of any kind!!!
Best,
Bob
Forrest
Admin, Team3S
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:07:38
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe
OK, the attachment to this e-mail is
avirus. Not sure who else got it, but
it is one... Designed to
look like a South Park cartoon - seen largely a
few months ago - please no
one open this attachment. (It's actually a type
of
Trojan/Worm)
- -Cody
#-----Original Message-----
#From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st#[
mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Robby/SOL
#Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 1:46 PM
#To:
mailbox@mail.swissonline.ch#Subject:
Team3S: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe
#
#
#Test: Pretty Park.exe
:)
#
# Robby/SOL
#
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:23:24
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Admin NOTICE: VIRUS!!! Do not open DIGESTS 180 or 181!
We
will replace Digest 180 with a "clean", virus-free version...
Digest
181 is PURE virus, and will not be replaced.
Bob
Forrest
Admin, Team3S
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:46:18
-0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: A/F meter Installation?
Hi All,
I know some of you have
Air/Fuel mixture meters or gauges installed
in your 3/Ss - what kind do you
have and where did you install it?
Depending on cost/hassle, I'm
interested in installing such a
gauge/meter in my 3000GT. I don't need
an integrated unit with a boost
controller/turbo timer or anything like that
because I have a NA car. So
assuming such a beast exists (I figure it's
got to), where does one install
the sensor? In the manifold
somewhere?
In case anyone is curious, the reason I'm thinking
about an A/F
meter is that my car is still lightly pinging (posted about
serious pinging
a while back). I've got the compression down now
(178-188psi, spec is
185psi), and the intake manifold, plenum, intake valves,
cylinder walls, and
piston tops are all nice and shiny now. Also, I
checked the timing - it's
within spec (basic and actual). I also
grounded the ignition timing
adjustment terminal and drove the car around the
block (effectively holding
the timing to 5 degrees) and I could still hear
some pinging.
Since the timing, compression, fuel type (Texaco Premium -
92
octane), and air filter, all appear to be ok AND I don't have a check
engine
light on, the only thing I can figure is that something is making the
engine
run lean (clogged FI, low fuel pressure, bad sensor that's not setting
off
the check engine light, etc). Before checking out things that would
make
the engine run lean, I'd like to see if in fact it is running
lean.
Thanks!
- --Erik
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:35:57
-0700
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: shortblock
What other mods do you have? I live at sea level
and do not want to spend
the big$$ for better intercoolers. If the ICs
are good for 9bs, then will
they be fine for 15gs with a lower output
temp? -or is the extra mass of
air taxing them beyond limits? If
the IC piping is all the same diameter,
then where are we getting more
CFM?
Sam 95 VR-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius
<
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To:
team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st<
team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S:
shortblock
>Hi John,
>
>IMHO, if you control
detonation and keep the oil in good shape, the
>1st gen 2-bolt main
bearing caps (and stock crank and rods) are more
>than adequate up to 500
HP or so. If you plan on adding 15Gs and
>upping the boost a **lot**, then
forged pistons are good insurance. I
>say, save your money for your kids'
college fund (or better yet that
>used Viper in a few years) and rebuild
your 2-bolt. Be sure to have
>it dynamically balanced properly to minimize
wear on the bearings and
>bolts.
>
>PS. I'm detonation-free
with 15Gs and 550s upto 1.25 kg/cm2 (18 psi)
>on pump gas, that's a
pressure ratio of 2.5 here in Colorado.
>
>Jeff Lucius, 3SI
#476
>Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
> -->
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>-----
Original Message -----
>From: "John Monnin" <
jkmonnin@altavista.com>
>To:
<
team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>Sent:
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 9:26 PM
>Subject: Team3S:
shortblock
>
>I am looking for a 4-bolt main shortblock.
M&S Recyling has sold
>new 4-bolt shortblocks on e-bay for $1250 and
$1500 but they now want
>$2500 for one. This really irritates
me because I called them
>2-weeks ago and was quoted $1750 or $1850 (I
can’t remember which).
>
>Now I am looking for either a new 4-bolt
main or a cheap rebuildable
>4-bolt main core. Since my
wife is pregnant with our second (due
>on Dec 31) my car budget it
shot and If I don’t get it back together
>before too long it may have to
sit for another year.
>
>I noticed that Jeff Lucius has built a very
beefy 2bolt main block,
>has anyone else had good luck with
2-bolts? I only plan on making
>intake and exhaust mods with a
boost controller, am I safe with stock
>2-bolt main and cast
pistons?
>
>If anyone has a 4-bolt shortblock for sale, or is
looking for a good
>2-bolt shortblock that just needs crank and
pistons: Please email
>your home or work phone number and I will
call you.
>
>Thanks again for all the info this list has given
me.
>
>My work email is
>
Jmonnin@utilimaster.com>
>My
home email is
>
Jkmonnin@altavista.com>
>John
Monnin
>1991 3000GT VR-4
>Been down for 3
months
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:09:46
-0400
From: Jay Price Stump <
jstump@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tire
Help!!!
Need to get Tires tomorrow. Help. Thank for your comments .
Someone
suggested Michelen pilot sports. What are your thought on the best
tires
for our cars
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:25:07
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tire Help!!!
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Price
Stump" <
jstump@erols.com>
To:
"list" <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Need to get Tires tomorrow. Help. Thank for your comments . Someone
>
suggested Michelen pilot sports. What are your thought on the
best
tires
> for our cars
We need to know a bit more than
that! --- :-)
What model?
What
do you use the car for?
How fast do you
drive?
Do you want an everyday tire or a racing
tire?
What kind of racing?
Does it
rain where you live?
Do you drive on curves or on
straightaways?
etc...
For a great all-around
V-rated tire (up to 135mph) that holds the
corners and wears like iron, (300
rating), I like the Nitto Extreme
Performance 450s, but I've heard great
things about the 555s, too.
They're 9.25" wide, so they hydroplane at stock
inflation, (but I don't
ever use my tires at stock inflation so I don't have
the problem). But
that's just my experience, and one man's
opinion. Even just among the
Admins, we each like different tires, so
you'll probably get lots of
answers from the members. But it will
probably be next week! Asking a
question at the beginning of a 4-day
holiday weekend, (when most of us
should be driving instead of hanging out on
our computers), will
probably not get you a whole lot of response...
Maybe you'll get lucky
if a few of us are leaving tomorrow (or daytripping
all weekend, like
me!) :-) Check TireRack and make a list of the
tires with the features
you want, then use the Team3S Search Page and search
for those tire
names... That'll help fill in the gaps
between our
recommendations.
Best,
Forrest
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:32:40
-0700
From: David Margrave <
davidma@eskimo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
powerslots warped - ready for porterfields
My powerslot rotors have
gotten warped after less than 10,000 miles.
Man, I am ticked off! I
think I spent $250 - $300 for those things.
Not any better than stock
(probably worse, from the stories I've heard
about the darn things
breaking!)
So, I guess I'll forget about the gimmicky powerslots, and get
a set of
porterfields. Only $87.50 each at
www.porterfield-brakes.com.
Does
Porterfield sell direct to the public?
Question: how much
does the cryogenic treatment cost, and is it
worthwhile? Also, how
about the cross-drilling? My driving is about
50/50 city/highway,
occasional high speeds, no track or autocross.
Dave
'91 R/T
TT
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Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 06:42:06
-0100
From: Jason Barnhart <
phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: powerslots warped - ready for porterfields
Yes, they do sell
directly to the public. If I recall correctly the cryo
treatment was an
additional $40 each. Dunno if it pays off or not, I just
got mine and
they aren't even on yet. Cross drilling would probably be
fine in your
case, the real problems (from what I understand) start when
you go auto
crossing or road racing. I recall hearing that cross drilled
rotors can
actually warp quicker in certain situations. They should stay
cooler,
but as they have less mass they may warp faster if you're standing
on the
brakes after a hard stop or washing your car while the rotors are
hot.
I'm not certain about any of the above, it's what I've heard and it
seems
logical.
Hope that helps,
Jason
David Margrave
wrote:
> Does Porterfield sell direct to the
public?
>
> Question: how much does the cryogenic treatment
cost, and is it
> worthwhile? Also, how about the
cross-drilling? My driving is about
> 50/50 city/highway, occasional
high speeds, no track or autocross.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 05:28:00
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: shortblock
Hi Sam,
All of my mods are listed at my web
site. The best way to tell if
stock ICs are adequate for your individual
setup and driving style is
to measure the air temperature at various points
in the intake track;
ideally - air filter, after turbo, before IC, after IC,
and plenum. I
have not done this yet myself so can't offer data - it's on my
to do
list. Roger Gerl has posted some numbers in the past. My after
market
2" IC piping has about a 30% larger cross-sectional area than
stock.
Plus the IC themselves are about twice as large. Pics are at my
web
site. I am striving for the best balanced system I can afford, so
I
upgraded the IC system to match the 15Gs and 550 injectors, ATR
exhaust
system, flow-worked heads, and bored out motor (3.056L). Save
your money on
the ICs and spend $25 on a thermistor and voltmeter and
measure the air temp
near the plenum. If it is unacceptable (like
over 100ºF to just pick a
number), then maybe you need to upgrade
something - ICs or turbos.
The
IC system does not affect the volume air flow (CFM) much. It does
change the
mass air flow by changing pressure or temperature
(therefore density). Please
check out my discussion of this at the
url below for more details.
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/2-primer.htmJeff
Lucius
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
To: "Jeff Lucius"
<
stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
<
team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, June 30, 2000 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: shortblock
What
other mods do you have? I live at sea level and do not want to
spend
the big$$ for better intercoolers. If the ICs are good for
9bs, then
will they be fine for 15gs with a lower output temp? -or
is the extra
mass of air taxing them beyond limits? If the IC piping
is all the same
diameter, then where are we getting more CFM?
Sam 95
VR-4
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:16:29
-0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tire Help!!!
Jay (careful - this is a long
response),
Great questions from Forrest and asking before
the holiday weekend will
be rough. Fortunately, I spent the morning
waxing and shining my car and am
relaxing before driving it around
today. I ordered from Tirerack and had
them delivered and installed on
my car within 3 days (from order to delivery
to installation). If you
want something today then go to Sears, NTB,
Goodyear, etc. for choices.
I listed a bunch of links at the bottom.
Pirelli's web site (
www.pirelli.com <
http://www.pirelli.com> ) asks
some
basic questions and makes you rate them (handling, tread life, etc.)
and
then makes some educated guesses as to what tire is best for you.
Tirerack
(
www.tirerack.com <
http://www.tirerack.com> ) allows you to
pick the Nitto
555 and then find comparable tires so you don't have to do it
yourself.
I have always had a spot in my heart for Pirelli so I
am biased here. I
nearly got the Pirelli P6000 or P7000 tires since
they seemed like a good
balance between semi-performance and most-of-the-year
usage. However, after
test-driving my car I decided to throw that
philosophy out the window and
buy a tire that could handle what this car
could put down to the road.
I bought the best damn tires I could
find which are the Pirelli P-Zero
Asymmetrical tires ($265 each from Tirerack
for the 245/40/18 size). The
only reason I bought them before picking
up the car was the fact that the
car had two Nittos, one Yoko, and one Dunlop
on it and I wanted a matched
set. The other reason was that I would
rather spend $1,100 on tires now
instead of $400 now and $1,500 later on a
fender because the cheap tires
couldn't hold in a turn and ran my car into a
guardrail. Very logical I
felt.
However, you had better
be one heck of a driver to use these tires
(experienced with the power of the
car and how it handles in turns) or else
real daring to learn how it really
feels to stick to the ground. I am still
very green here after having
the car only two weeks and have nearly crapped
my pants three times so far
from scaring myself with the tire performance.
Don't get me wrong, the tires
work perfectly. However, cheaper tires will
talk to you earlier which
is a good way to learn.
Put on some cheap tires and they'll talk
(i.e. squeal) so you can learn
what is too fast, too tight, too hard,
etc. The P-Zero tires don't talk
until just about the time the car gets
loose in a turn. The only exception
is on a reverse-banked turn on in a
very sharp hairpin or downhill turn into
a corner. At that point any
tire will squeal except the ones from an Indy
car.
The other
thing is the power that 2nd and 3rd have in turns between 40
mph and 65
mph. I was turning and merging onto a road that was bordered by
stone
on the right and Jersey barriers on the left. I came into the turn
in
second (around 40 mph) and accelerated through it (probably up to 45 or
50
mph) and the tires only barely squealed. The back end started to
step out
and want to meet up with that Jersey barrier. I took my foot
off the
throttle and the AWD grabbed hold and brought the car back in
shape. I had
to saw on the steering wheel a bit but I am not used to
this yet. Normally
you should be able to hold the small slide and
accelerate through and have
the AWD bring you through. I did not want
to test that yet.
One last thing, with the windows and sunroof
shut and the radio on - the
small amount if tire squeal is almost
undetectable. If you are going to
drive the road and take the turns I
highly recommend opening the windows a
bit or turning down the radio.
This was the other way I nearly stained the
driver's seat.
- --Flash!
(actually Darren, but that is my nickname around here)
'95 VR-4 (two weeks
old so far)
18x8.5J " chrome wheels
Pirelli P-Zero Asymmetrical 245/40/18
tires on all corners
Car tires sites:
Tirerack --
http://www.tirerack.com/ <
http://www.tirerack.com/>
Global list
of tire manufacturers --
http://autopedia.com/TireSchool/TireG.html<
http://autopedia.com/TireSchool/TireG.html>
BF Goodrich --
http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/Bridgestone
--
http://www.bridgestone.com/Cooper --
http://www.coopertires.com/Dunlop
--
http://www.dunloptire.com/Goodyear --
http://www.goodyear.com/Kumho --
http://www.kumhotire.com/english/index.htmMichelin
--
http://www.michelin.com/Nitto --
http://64.38.194.68/nonflash.htmPirelli
--
http://www.pirelli.com/web/site/default.htmToyo
--
http://www.toyo.com/Yokohama --
http://www.yokohamatire.com/-
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Forrest [
mailto:bf@bobforrest.com]
Sent: Saturday,
July 01, 2000 02:25
To:
jstump@erols.com; Team3S
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tire Help!!!
We need to know a bit more than that! ---
:-)
What model?
What do you use the
car for?
How fast do you drive?
Do
you want an everyday tire or a racing tire?
What kind of
racing?
Does it rain where you live?
Do you drive on curves or on straightaways?
etc...
For a great all-around V-rated tire (up to 135mph) that holds
the
corners and wears like iron, (300 rating), I like the Nitto
Extreme
Performance 450s, but I've heard great things about the 555s,
too.
They're 9.25" wide, so they hydroplane at stock inflation, (but I
don't
ever use my tires at stock inflation so I don't have the
problem). But
that's just my experience, and one man's opinion.
Even just among the
Admins, we each like different tires, so you'll probably
get lots of
answers from the members. But it will probably be next
week! Asking a
question at the beginning of a 4-day holiday weekend,
(when most of us
should be driving instead of hanging out on our computers),
will
probably not get you a whole lot of response... Maybe you'll get
lucky
if a few of us are leaving tomorrow (or daytripping all weekend,
like
me!) :-) Check TireRack and make a list of the tires with
the features
you want, then use the Team3S Search Page and search for those
tire
names... That'll help fill in the gaps
between our
recommendations.
Best,
Forrest
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:38:11
-0700
From:
jeff.mohler@netapp.comSubject: RE:
Team3S: powerslots warped - ready for porterfields
I have/had
porterfields.
9 laps at Thunderhill cracked em from the hub out, on the
Big Red upgrade even.
- -----Original Message-----
From: David
Margrave [
mailto:davidma@eskimo.com]
Sent: Friday,
June 30, 2000 11:33 PM
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: powerslots warped - ready for porterfields
My powerslot
rotors have gotten warped after less than 10,000 miles.
Man, I am ticked
off! I think I spent $250 - $300 for those things.
Not any better than
stock (probably worse, from the stories I've heard
about the darn things
breaking!)
So, I guess I'll forget about the gimmicky powerslots, and get
a set of
porterfields. Only $87.50 each at
www.porterfield-brakes.com.
Does
Porterfield sell direct to the public?
Question: how much
does the cryogenic treatment cost, and is it
worthwhile? Also, how
about the cross-drilling? My driving is about
50/50 city/highway,
occasional high speeds, no track or autocross.
Dave
'91 R/T
TT
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:17:25
EDT
From:
Screemo@aol.comSubject:
Team3S: Black box??? HELP!!
Hey gang, I finally received my Borla exhaust
from carparts.com and decided
to have my mechanic put it on two days ago. I
was under the car throughout
the entire install. As my mechanic was
installing the exhaust I was browsing
the underside of my VR-4. I noticed
something that had caught my attention.
Looking from the front of the car
towards the rear I noticed what looked like
a "black oil pan" or something.
It was directly underneath the oil filter and
about 6" towards the rear of
the car. It had come to my attention because the
area looked pretty wet.
Nothing was dripping but when I touched it there was
very dark oil on it. I
had asked the mechanic about it but of course he was
clueless. He said that
he thought it was coming from somewhere in the engine.
I thought it was the
oil pan but my mechanic said it wasn't. Please help me
out with this guys.
Sorry for the long letter.
Bill in NY
94" VR-4
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:43:40
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Black box??? HELP!!
Well I just went out and looked under the
car - kind of tough when
not jacked up. But directly to the rear from the oil
filter is the
oil pan. It has a pipe in front and one in back that return oil
to it
from the turbo oil supply lines. Either of these could be leaking,
or
the drain plug or the seal between the pan and block or something
above
or near the pan. Do you mean the mechanic was clueless as to
this being the
oil pan or to where the oil was coming from? You knew
this was the oil pan
right?
Jeff Lucius
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
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----- Original Message -----
From: <
Screemo@aol.com>
To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Saturday, July 01, 2000 12:17 PM
Subject: Team3S: Black box???
HELP!!
Hey gang, I finally received my Borla exhaust from carparts.com
and
decided to have my mechanic put it on two days ago. I was under
the
car throughout the entire install. As my mechanic was installing
the
exhaust I was browsing the underside of my VR-4. I noticed
something
that had caught my attention. Looking from the front of the
car
towards the rear I noticed what looked like a "black oil pan"
or
something. It was directly underneath the oil filter and about
6"
towards the rear of the car. It had come to my attention because the
area looked pretty wet. Nothing was dripping but when I touched it
there
was very dark oil on it. I had asked the mechanic about it but
of course he
was clueless. He said that he thought it was coming from
somewhere in the
engine. I thought it was the oil pan but my mechanic
said it wasn't. Please
help me out with this guys. Sorry for the long
letter.
Bill in
NY
94" VR-4
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