team3s
Thursday, January 13
2000 Volume 01 :
Number
024
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Date:
Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:53:05 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Cant change spark plugs
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Tim...
A shop is not required,
but is certainly less frustrating. :-)
There should be a
couple threads about this in the archives. Rich LeRoy has
perfected (and
published) his technique. He can probably pull the plenum and
change all six
in less than an hour. I can do the front three in twenty
minutes. When
looking at the back three, I thin of how nice it is to work on
my Suzuki
Swift. More :-)
Looking forward...Chris
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Message-----
From: Tim DeKeyser [
mailto:tdekeyser@hotmail.com]
Sent:
Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:32 AM
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Cant change spark plugs
All,
I was thinking of changing
out my plugs and wires when I quickly realized
that would be a LOT of work
taking off everything that was in the way first.
Any recommendations or
short cuts? I have to bring this thing to a darn shop
just to replace
these things?
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:03:43
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From: "Darcy" <
w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tune
up questions
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Hi Tim;
As Chris has mentioned, the 60 plug procedure
and more is availed courtesy
of Rich, at(
www.stealth-3000gt.st/60k.htm).
But what concerns me is
this...if you have not had the plugs changed in
60,000...then likely the
timing belt needs replacing as well. Given
137,000, you are well past a due
date for the timing belt change and if it
breaks, you will have a world of
hurt to contend with. Consider a new water
pump, belt tensor, and inspect
and/or replace other belts and seals at
the same time.
Best
Darc
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From:
Tim DeKeyser <
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To:
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Date:
Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:36 AM
Subject: Team3S: Tune up
questions
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>
>All,
>
>'91 Stealth has 136,000
miles on it, and has not had a tune up in 60,0000
>miles! What should I
have them do while they are in there? Also, what all
is
>involved in a
tune up besides plugs and 'checking' things, can they do any
>adjustments
to timing and such? Is it worth the money, or should I attemp
it
>with
little to no
tools.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:35:34
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From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tune up questions
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- -----Original Message-----From: Tim DeKeyser
<
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>'91
Stealth has 136,000 miles on it, and has not had a tune up
in
60,0000
>miles! What should I have them do while they are in there?
Also,
what all is
>involved in a tune up besides plugs and 'checking'
things, can they
do any
>adjustments to timing and such? Is it worth
the money, or should I
attemp it
>with little to no
tools.
Hey, Tim,
You'll need a set of tools (including a
special tool) to do the 60k
service yourself. To find out what's
involved, there is a complete,
illustrated "60k How-to" by Rich
Leroy on our FAQ pages (work in
progress). Find it at:
www.stealth-3000gt.st/60k.htmBest,
Forrest
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:09:04
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From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Members WWW Site: ADMIN
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Please, I hate to post this here like
this, but everybody please follow the
instructions in my Email.
Its
clearly stated to Email me at
gemohler@pacbell.net for account
requests. I
cannot process these at work, and dont want to get in the
middle of it all by
forwarding them to my house..I _will_ miss some that
way. I cannot stress
enough to please follow the instructions to make
this easy on us all...theres
500 of you guys.
Original post
follows:
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Please submit a username (8 characters or less, first
come first served), and
allow 24-48hrs (weekends and holidays not necessarily
included) for a return
Email for what your password will be.
You will
be expected to remember your passwords, and I will have to enter
them..and
change them in the future manually should you loose it.
You will have 3MB
quotas, which should be plenty for a Team3S relevent WWW site.
Comments,
questions, and submissions for accounts to
gemohler@pacbell.net only
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:38:51
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From: "Tim DeKeyser" <
tdekeyser@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: $350 TO CHANGE SPARK PLUGS??
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I have asked around all the shops,
including the dealer, and they all say
that a tuneup for a '91 Dodge Stealth
is nothing but replacing the spark
plugs and air filter. Nothing has to be
done with the timing or anything
else. $350 minimum!!! Is this crazy or
what??? What can I do if I dont have
the knowledge/tools to do it
myself??
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:54:58
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From: Matt Jannusch <
MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: $350 TO CHANGE SPARK PLUGS??
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> I have asked around all the shops,
including the dealer, and
> they all say that a tuneup for a '91 Dodge
Stealth is
> nothing but replacing the spark plugs and air filter.
Nothing
> has to be done with the timing or anything else. $350
>
minimum!!! Is this crazy or what??? What can I do if I dont
> have the
knowledge/tools to do it myself??
Well, you can try to do it yourself,
but you'll need at a minimum a bunch of metric sockets, socket wrenches, socket
extensions, torque wrench, each of the plenum/throttle-body gaskets, a full set
of platinum plugs and whatever other things that might need replacement while
you are in there. From a dealer, expect to pay $100 for the set of 6
plugs.
The thing is that it isn't so much the spark plugs that you should
be worried about. Every 60,000 miles the timing belt MUST be
replaced. This is much more difficult than replacing the spark plugs and
should not be attempted by a novice mechanic. Figure on spending $1000 for
a timing belt change with water pump and seals and hopefully they'll be able to
do the spark plugs at the same time and work you a deal on it. Don't have
"Joe's Garage" do it, as there is a high probability of screwing up
the timing belt job if the mechanic is not experienced in doing it.
You
bought one of the most advanced sports cars of its time, nobody ever said it
would be cheap!
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:21:25
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From: Rich <
rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: $350 TO CHANGE SPARK PLUGS??
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Tim:
$350 is a bit steep.
At ~$12 each, your plugs should run you
$75 +/- (tax), plus about 2-2.5 hours
shop labor. At $65 per
hour for 2.5 hours, labor should run about $165
+/-. This
brings you up to $240. Air filters aren't pricey, and
if you
already have a K&N, ignore this cost. Are these shops
quoting
you wires as well? Maybe that's what the extra $ is
for.
With a good set of metric sockets and wrenches, along with
the
factory service manual, most anybody can do their plugs in a
couple
hours. Yes, it's a bit of a pain to pull the plenum,
but not impossible
or even particularly a brain-strain. Just
time-consuming and kinda
tough on your back. Note: be careful
when removing the EGR bolts from
the back of the plenum, as the
metal gasket *WILL* want to drop and be lost
forever. If you
take care when removing your old metal gaskets, they
can be
re-used if they are in good shape and you clean them
off.
Rich
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wrote:
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If you really dig it, do it twice"
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:35:40
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From: "Trevor L. James" <
trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: 95
to 96 differences was(Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?)
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Yep, mine says OBDII
certified on the emissions sticker. A few other differences
are a body
colored roof (not black) and the dodge symbol up front is accented
with white
paint. Mine was built in Dec 95' and now has 23,500 miles on it. Here
are
some pics...
http://www.linkline.com/personal/amahoser/trevor.htmlTrevor
96
R/T TT
92 GMC Typhoon
Curt Gendron wrote:
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>
> There are a
few other differences between a 95 and a 96. On the 96 Stealth
> the
spoiler is designed slightly different. The spoiler curves up on
the
> outside edges. Like this:
>
http://mn3s.org/new-fin.jpg>
>
In 96, both the Stealth and 3000GT switched to a darker tan leather
instead
> of the beige found in 91-95. Also the whole inside of the
doors matched the
> color of the seats starting in 96. (not the standard
charcoal gray color)
> Speaking of Charcoal gray... That ended in
95. 96 Stealths and 3000GTs
> started using a black color for the
dash.
>
> Francis is the MN 3/S member with the 96 R/T TT. In
was manufactered in
> January of 96. So there are 96s, built in
1996.
>
> later,
> Curt
> "Rumor
dispeller"
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:20:09
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From: "Bob Rand" <
rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tune up
questions
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> '91 Stealth has 136,000 miles on it, and has not had a
tune up in 60,0000
> miles! What should I have them do while they are in
there?
Hi Tim, I would recommend with that many miles that you do
the following.
. Plugs
. Timing Belt
. Tensioner
. Water
pump
. 4 front cam oil seals
. Front main crank oil seal
By
replacing the water pump and oil seals you are protecting your investment
in
the timing belt. If They go then you must replace the belt
again.
Bob
93 Steatlth TT
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:34:08
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From: "Ian Calegory" <
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Subject:
Team3S: Problem has Mitsu shop foreman stumped
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Hi,
(1995 Mitsubishi
3000GT VR-4)
I've got a problem that is proving hard for my Mitsubishi
service center to
figure out. Here's what happens:
Under high
torque, usually around 3500 - 4000 rpm, there is a "whining"
or
"grinding" noise. The people at the shop say the sound
sensor they hooked
up tells them the noise is coming from the rear of the
engine compartment,
so they think it "may" be the rear turbo, but
they don't know for sure and
don't want to replace it only to discover the
noise is still there. They
say that they're pretty sure it's NOT the
transmission or transfer case.
Please
help!
Thanks,
Ian
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:36:35
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From: Chris Winkley <
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Subject:
RE: Team3S: Problem has Mitsu shop foreman stumped
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Ian...
What
you're describing sounds like a bearing noise. If they're sure it's not
the
transfer case or transmission, it can only (IMO) be one of two
things...the
bearing in the rear turbo or a rod bearing on the crankshaft.
Either way,
they should be able to isolate it with the old fashioned
stethoscope device
(they sell them at almost all car parts stores).
Looking
forward...Chris
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From: Ian Calegory [
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Sent:
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To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: Problem has
Mitsu shop foreman stumped
Hi,
(1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT
VR-4)
I've got a problem that is proving hard for my Mitsubishi service
center to
figure out. Here's what happens:
Under high torque,
usually around 3500 - 4000 rpm, there is a "whining"
or
"grinding" noise. The people at the shop say the sound
sensor they hooked
up tells them the noise is coming from the rear of the
engine compartment,
so they think it "may" be the rear turbo, but
they don't know for sure and
don't want to replace it only to discover the
noise is still there. They
say that they're pretty sure it's NOT the
transmission or transfer case.
Please
help!
Thanks,
Ian
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:40:27
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From: Michael Booker <
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Subject: Team3S: EGT
question.
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Who out there has an EGT sensor? Where did you get it? And
if I do start
playing with an AFC for my car, how high can the temps go
before I'll
ruin anything? This is a 1993 R/T NA.
Matt
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