team3s           Wednesday, January 12 2000           Volume 01 : Number 022




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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:09:19 -0800
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Couple of Concerns

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Hi Tim;

Sounds like the clutch is marginal. You will get a little clutch smell if
you are running it aggressively, but if it's showing up under normal
conditions, then it's time to replace it. Often in this situation, it is
also best to replace the flywheel for an additional $100, as many have
lamented not doing this later when told at the time it appeared with specs.
It cannot be resurfaced.

What do you mean  a "gassy" smell? As in petroleum?  As in passed gas? What?
If it's  foul smell it may be related to the cats and not really a worry. If
petroleum, it may be injector related. Run a quality Injector Cleaner
through it (gas tank additive). Many do not ever add this to their fillups,
and in the long run this will simply mean having to have the injectors
professionally done as they plug up.

Best

Darc
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tim DeKeyser <tdekeyser@hotmail.com>
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Couple of Concerns


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>
>The clutch needs replacing. Thats the smell.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Rah <rah@isd.net>
>Reply-To: rah@isd.net
>To: stealth <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Team3S: Couple of Concerns
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:08:42 -0600
>
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>
>Hey all,
>     I bought a 93 R/T TT a couple months ago, the car has been great but
>
>there are a couple things concerning me...
>     First off, a side note, the first time I looked at the car the old
>owner let me try driving it, then he took me for a 'performance run' of
>sorts, now after that there was a little smoke/steam or something
>pouring out of the drivers-side front fender, but this wasn't something
>we could ever get to happen again.
>     Now, the things I noticed was that if the clutch is down at higher
>RPMs, something I try to avoid, but hey it happens, I will have a really
>
>strong, really bad smell coming from under the hood around the car.  I
>can redline it and all, only time the smell shows up is when the clutch
>is involved.
>     Second, it's colder nowadays here in MN, and it seems like it smells
>
>a little gassy when it's been sitting for a while, in the cold anyway.
>Another thing, don't know if it's related or not, but in the mornings
>after being in a garage all night(decent temp), I drive to where I need
>to be and if I am to rev it or anything, my friend(usually standing near
>
>the back of the car) claims to get blown away by the smell or exhaust or
>
>whatever when I do that.
>
>I apprecite your help, I haven't taken it in yet to be looked at or
>anything, but with my 7 year bumper-to-bumper running out next month I
>probably will soon.
>
>--Rich
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:20:03 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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To specify what Trevor meant there is no display of knock sum and I wonder why ??? The timing will be retarded when there is knock and therefore it may be visible for an experienced user ! An amount of how much the timign is retarded in degrees may be wishful but not common.

Hope this is THE tuning tool for the 2nd geners !

Roger
93'3000GT TT


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Trevor L. James <trevor@kscable.com>
To: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?


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>
> Dude, that's AWESOME!!! It's like $122 and it comes with the connector you need and it supposedly reads our data stream! Only thing that's missing is a knock retard measurement. Heck, that's the whole reason I want a scan tool! I wrote the guy that made it and asked him to
> incorporate a knock retard measurement. I'll post the results....



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:42:13 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Matt Jannusch wrote:
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> Has anyone tried the tool from http://www.obd-2.com on a '95 3/S?  Is it compatible enough to datalog simple things like O2 sensor readings and timing?  I know the '95 cars have a somewhat "hybrid" design between the old OBD and new, but have no idea what works between years.

I didn't see any mention on their web site that would indicate it works with any
pre '96 car.  Did I miss anything?

- --
If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego


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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:55:11 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Found 91 Stealth TT for $7888

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I was driving home from lunch with my ROWG buddies today, and spotted a 91
Stealth TT at Jim Miller Nissan Subaru in Cedar Rapids, Iowa..

It's black, tan interior, has 102,000 miles, new tires, and appears to be
in pretty good shape. The usual nicks and wear, of course, that you would
expect in a nine-year old car. It's not a concours show winner by any
means, but it's not trashed either. Just nine years old.  No signs of
performance mods -- it even has the original air cleaner. Price is $7888.

If interested, call the salesman, Nathan Johnson at 319/393-0640

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/make a nice start on a racer, eh?


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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:44:55 -0800
From: Raymond Yap <raymond.yap@stanford.edu>
Subject: Team3S: car won't start

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This may seem like a strange problem but after i installed my profec A
last sat and started running on higher boost (1 bar max), my car would
not start 2 days ago (tue). it won't even crank, and its NOT a battery
problem. anyway, i figured that it was probably a starter problem and
got it down to the mechanic who changed the starter. The car worked okay
for a while yesterday, but this morning, i met with exactly the same
problem again. Well, could be that the starter the mechanic put it was
faulty, or some other problem ??? any experience/advice on this would be
much appreciated..

raymond.
'91 black vr-4
kipn filter
super afc
greddy profec a


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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:54:13 GMT
From: "Tim DeKeyser" <tdekeyser@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: car won't start

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We had this discussion last week, because my car had a similar problem.
Everyone told me that it is the ignition switch. Try clicking it to 'start'
several times, and see if it catches. I wish I knew this after replacing the
starter 3 times!


- ----Original Message Follows----
From: Raymond Yap <raymond.yap@stanford.edu>
Reply-To: raymond.yap@stanford.edu
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: car won't start
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:44:55 -0800

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This may seem like a strange problem but after i installed my profec A
last sat and started running on higher boost (1 bar max), my car would
not start 2 days ago (tue). it won't even crank, and its NOT a battery
problem. anyway, i figured that it was probably a starter problem and
got it down to the mechanic who changed the starter. The car worked okay
for a while yesterday, but this morning, i met with exactly the same
problem again. Well, could be that the starter the mechanic put it was
faulty, or some other problem ??? any experience/advice on this would be
much appreciated..

raymond.
'91 black vr-4
kipn filter
super afc
greddy profec a


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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:43:04 -0600
From: "Trevor L. James" <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Yeah, I noticed that it had current spark advance. They might have knock retard already figured into that measurement. I wouldn't think that would be the best way to do it. Personally I don't want to guess at my knock amount, I want hard numbers. I've got a scan tool for the
Typhoon and it's a god send. Do you have one for the Z-28 yet Roger ;-)It has a measurement for both spark advance and knock retard.
I didn't see anything on there about 95's but it would be worth it to buy it and give it a try. You could sell it to someone with a 96+ for like $90 if it didn't work. I played around with that program for awhile and if it works as advertised it will fit my needs perfectly (as
long as knock gets added). It has all the other stuff that might be needed like:
Mass Air Flow rates
Inlet Air Temp
Spark Advance
RPM
MPH
O2 Readings (both upper and lower sensors)
Coolant Temp
Throttle Position Sensor %

Trevor

"R.G." wrote:

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> To specify what Trevor meant there is no display of knock sum and I wonder why ??? The timing will be retarded when there is knock and therefore it may be visible for an experienced user ! An amount of how much the timign is retarded in degrees may be wishful but not common.
>
> Hope this is THE tuning tool for the 2nd geners !
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:36:56 -0500
From: "John T. Christian" <jczoom@geocities.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Adventures in braking

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Hi all,
Ol Poop wrote:
>If none of the under-fascia stuff works {for brake cooling}, then I'll try taking out the fog lights.
- --> A long time ago I took out the fog lights ...... well actually when
my TT would up ontop of a tire wall near turn 10, along with other
damage, one of the lights was GONE and the other one was hanging out.
So rather than spending $165 each I decided to put screens in the
openings and allow another source of cooool air to reach my
intercoolers.


>Hey, what's with all the CCs I see we're carrying around? Do we have a
little braking/road racing  sub-list going here? Maximum cool.
- -->A sublist would be great.  I just thought there would be toooo many
words for posting on the 3S.  I think there are now about a dozen Team
3S members that road race and I have been collecting their addresses.

- -->I believe I saw a post that we, 3Sers, can have a HomePage on the new
3S server.  If so I plan to put on a lot of the stuff like brakes,
tires, trailers, etc I found that work/doesn't work from my racing
experiences.

Be of good cheer,
John
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JCZoooM  93 TT 12.46@109Mph   Now with Porsche brakes & Supra rotors
Email---> JCZooM@iname.com 
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:58:07 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject: Team3S: Members WWW Sites...

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:04:39 -0600
From: "Trevor L. James" <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Well, he wrote back and said this:

The scan tool does support ignition timing advance and retard.
this is data item $0E spark advance.

I guess he means that the spark advance that's listed is total timing. I.E. Base Advance minus Knock Retard. I wrote him back and asked if he could separate the two numbers. It's also possible that OBDII supplies only that one total spark advance data stream...More to follow...

Trevor



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:40:49 -0600
From: "Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Reposting.....

jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
To: "Sirius" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?


> Here are the answers:
>
> 1)  It will work on '96+ cars and the rare '95 cars that are OBDII
certified
> 2)  It will not work on '94-95 hybrid cars
> 3)  He can't add a knock sum.  There's no such thing in the OBDII
> specification.  Knock sum is a "hidden" feature of the early-mid 90's
> Mitsubishi ECUs.  It doesn't even appear on DRB scanners; just on the TMO
> datalogger.
>
> I tried the EASESim OBDII datalogger a long time ago on my Spyder and it
> couldn't establish a connection on any of the OBDII protocols.  The car
has
> an OBDII connector and all the other OBDII hardware (o2 sensors) but it is
> OBDI certified and the protocols are not compatible.
>
> jeff
> '95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
> '90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trevor L. James" <trevor@kscable.com>
> To: "Matt Jannusch" <MAJ@BigCharts.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?
>
>
> > Dude, that's AWESOME!!! It's like $122 and it comes with the connector
you
> need and it supposedly reads our data stream! Only thing that's missing is
a
> knock retard measurement. Heck, that's the whole reason I want a scan
tool!
> I wrote the guy that made it and asked him to
> > incorporate a knock retard measurement. I'll post the results....
> >
> > Trevor
> > 96 Stealth R/T TT
> > 92 GMC Typhoon
> >
> > Matt Jannusch wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone tried the tool from http://www.obd-2.com on a '95 3/S?  Is
it
> compatible enough to datalog simple things like O2 sensor readings and
> timing?  I know the '95 cars have a somewhat "hybrid" design between the
old
> OBD and new, but have no idea what works between years.
> > >
> > > -Matt
> > > '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>



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