team3s           Thursday, January 13 2000           Volume 01 : Number 023




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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:41:09 -0600
From: "Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Reposting....

jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
To: "Sirius" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: <andre@sigmaweb.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?


> If anyone with a '96+ is really interested in buying one of these, e-mail
> andre@sigmaweb.net for details on a group purchase.  He's already started
it
> with Club DSM and already has several confirmed buyers.
>
> jeff
> '95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
> '90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Middaugh" <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
> To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?
>
>
> > Matt Jannusch wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone tried the tool from http://www.obd-2.com on a '95 3/S?  Is
it
> compatible enough to datalog simple things like O2 sensor readings and
> timing?  I know the '95 cars have a somewhat "hybrid" design between the
old
> OBD and new, but have no idea what works between years.
> >
> > I didn't see any mention on their web site that would indicate it works
> with any
> > pre '96 car.  Did I miss anything?
>
>



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:19:01 -0800
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Just a head's up on this issue ....I believe the 96+ figure only applies to
Mitsu. The Stealth production line ceased in 95, although a few cars were
marketed in 96 as 96's. Those 96 cars are actually 95's and should be
considered hybrid like the 95's.

Best

Darc



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:25:48 -0600
From: "Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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They may still be OBDII tho.  '94-95 have all the OBDII hardware, but OBDI
firmware.  They could have popped in a  new ECU and wiring harness and that
would have done it.  If I'm not incorrect, the US required all 1996
passenger cars to be OBDII compliant.  The way to check is to have someone
with a '96 Stealth look under their hood for a sticker that tells emissions
compliance.  It should say either OBDI or OBDII certified in TINY TINY
letters somewhere.

jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
To: "Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>; "Team3S" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?


> Just a head's up on this issue ....I believe the 96+ figure only applies
to
> Mitsu. The Stealth production line ceased in 95, although a few cars were
> marketed in 96 as 96's. Those 96 cars are actually 95's and should be
> considered hybrid like the 95's.
>
> Best
>
> Darc
>
>



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:35:01 -0800
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Given the low low figures on 96's ..( I believe Dodge doesn't  indicate any
figure for 96 and includes them as 95's with a footnote to that effect)..
maybe the individual (?) who recently posted with a 96, can perform this
check for OB11 for the posterity of the list.

Best

Darc




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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:15:15 -0500
From: "Dave Bishop" <dbishop@veriomail.com>
Subject: Team3S: 93 Mitsu VR-4 Type 3 amp adjustment

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I just purchased a 93 Mitsu VR-4 and have a simple question (I think).

It has the type 3 radio with the digital spectrum analyzer on it. Is there a
way to adjust the amp settings? Couldn't find it in the manual.

Thanks!
- -Dave




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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:42:52 -0600
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@carlson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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We have a member here in MN with a '96 RT/TT.  We did find the ODBII letters
at the bottom of the emission sticker under the hood.  It also has some
additional hardware attached to the intake plenum that my '95 does not have,
as well as 4 O2 sensor instead of 2.

John Basol
'95 RT/TT w/ Bastard-Child ECU!  :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Darcy [SMTP:w.c.e@home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:35 PM
To: Jeff; Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Given the low low figures on 96's ..( I believe Dodge doesn't
indicate any
figure for 96 and includes them as 95's with a footnote to that
effect)..
maybe the individual (?) who recently posted with a 96, can perform
this
check for OB11 for the posterity of the list.

Best

Darc




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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:58 -0800
From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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Thanks John;

That clears that up. It also addresses the subject of the 96 being in fact
different than the 95. I have never seen a 96 for a side by side for
comparison. Anything else different between the 2?? My statistics do not
even give production figures for 96...does anyone have figures for this
year?? Or the total 95's produced for 95?

Best

Darc
- -----Original Message-----
From: Basol, John <jbasol@carlson.com>
To: Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 6:06 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?


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>
>
>We have a member here in MN with a '96 RT/TT.  We did find the ODBII
letters
>at the bottom of the emission sticker under the hood.  It also has some
>additional hardware attached to the intake plenum that my '95 does not
have,
>as well as 4 O2 sensor instead of 2.
>
>John Basol
>'95 RT/TT w/ Bastard-Child ECU!  :-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darcy [SMTP:w.c.e@home.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:35 PM
> To: Jeff; Team3S
> Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?
>
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>
>
> Given the low low figures on 96's ..( I believe Dodge doesn't
>indicate any
> figure for 96 and includes them as 95's with a footnote to that
>effect)..
> maybe the individual (?) who recently posted with a 96, can perform
>this
> check for OB11 for the posterity of the list.




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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:44:03 CST
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: 95 to 96 differences was(Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?)

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There are a few other differences between a 95 and a 96.  On the 96 Stealth
the spoiler is designed slightly different.  The spoiler curves up on the
outside edges.  Like this:
http://mn3s.org/new-fin.jpg

In 96, both the Stealth and 3000GT switched to a darker tan leather instead
of the beige found in 91-95.  Also the whole inside of the doors matched the
color of the seats starting in 96. (not the standard charcoal gray color) 
Speaking of Charcoal gray...  That ended in 95.  96 Stealths and 3000GTs
started using a black color for the dash.

Francis is the MN 3/S member with the 96 R/T TT.  In was manufactered in
January of 96.  So there are 96s, built in 1996.

later,
Curt
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>From: "Darcy" <w.c.e@home.com>
>To: "Basol, John" <jbasol@carlson.com>, "Team3S" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:58 -0800
>
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>
>
>Thanks John;
>
>That clears that up. It also addresses the subject of the 96 being in fact
>different than the 95. I have never seen a 96 for a side by side for
>comparison. Anything else different between the 2?? My statistics do not
>even give production figures for 96...does anyone have figures for this
>year?? Or the total 95's produced for 95?
>
>Best
>
>Darc
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Basol, John <jbasol@carlson.com>
>To: Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 6:06 AM
>Subject: RE: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?
>
>
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> >
> >
> >We have a member here in MN with a '96 RT/TT.  We did find the ODBII
>letters
> >at the bottom of the emission sticker under the hood.  It also has some
> >additional hardware attached to the intake plenum that my '95 does not
>have,
> >as well as 4 O2 sensor instead of 2.
> >
> >John Basol
> >'95 RT/TT w/ Bastard-Child ECU!  :-)

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:48:09 CST
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?

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One more thing....  John is correct.  The 96 Stealth R/T TT does have an OBD
II connector on the plentum and 4 O2 sensors.  And I have the scars on my
hands to prove it as I reached to unplug them when removing the downpipe. 
:)

later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org



>From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@carlson.com>
>To: Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: OBD-II tool for '95?
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:42:52 -0600
>
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>
>
>We have a member here in MN with a '96 RT/TT.  We did find the ODBII
>letters
>at the bottom of the emission sticker under the hood.  It also has some
>additional hardware attached to the intake plenum that my '95 does not
>have,
>as well as 4 O2 sensor instead of 2.
>
>John Basol
>'95 RT/TT w/ Bastard-Child ECU!  :-)
>

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:32:25 GMT
From: "Tim DeKeyser" <tdekeyser@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Cant change spark plugs

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All,

I was thinking of changing out my plugs and wires when I quickly realized
that would be a LOT of work taking off everything that was in the way first.
Any recommendations or short cuts? I have to bring this thing to a darn shop
just to replace these things?
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:35:33 GMT
From: "Tim DeKeyser" <tdekeyser@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tune up questions

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All,

'91 Stealth has 136,000 miles on it, and has not had a tune up in 60,0000
miles! What should I have them do while they are in there? Also, what all is
involved in a tune up besides plugs and 'checking' things, can they do any
adjustments to timing and such? Is it worth the money, or should I attemp it
with little to no tools.
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