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Team3S Digest        Friday, December 17 1999        Volume 01 : Number 360

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:00:46 -0600
From: "Trevor Jones" <trevor_jones@lacrosse-net.com>
Subject: Team3S: TMO Datalogger & Burschur BOV

Does anyone know if the TMO Datalogger will work with a 93' VR4? TMO's
website says that because the connector changed to an OBD-II style it will
not work. Is anyone using this with a 93' or newer VR4, or know of an
adapter?

I called Burschur Racing today. Their recommendations for upgrades included
a custom BOV from a 1st gen talon and they also recommended their custom 3"
exhaust. They said this would allow me to run 16-18 psi on premium pump
without upgrading my fuel delivery system and without detonation. This
boost level seems somewhat high to me. My upgrades so far include Apex
AVC-R and K+N FIPK. Everything else is stock. Does anyone out their have
experience with either of these parts? Your input is greatly appreciated.

tia,
tj
93 3k VR4
K+N FIPK
Apex AVC-R
2nd Getrag Tranny

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:16:09 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TMO Datalogger & Burschur BOV

> Does anyone know if the TMO Datalogger will work with a 93' VR4? TMO's
> website says that because the connector changed to an OBD-II style it will
> not work. Is anyone using this with a 93' or newer VR4, or know of an
> adapter?

Roger Gerl uses it with his '93. Check your diagnostic connector. It is under
the dash by the fuse box by the driver's left leg. The OBDII style connector
has 16 pins (see http://www.obdii.com/connector.html) while the TMO (from
looking at their web site) fits10 pin connectors.

> I called Burschur Racing today. Their recommendations for upgrades included
> a custom BOV from a 1st gen talon and they also recommended their custom 3"
> exhaust. They said this would allow me to run 16-18 psi on premium pump
> without upgrading my fuel delivery system and without detonation. This
> boost level seems somewhat high to me.

Only datalogging will tell for sure!

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Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:50:33 -0600
From: "Trevor Jones" <trevor_jones@lacrosse-net.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: TMO Datalogger & ECU Plug

<<Does anyone know if the TMO Datalogger will work with a 93' VR4? TMO's
website says that because the connector changed to an OBD-II style it will
not work. Is anyone using this with a 93' or newer VR4, or know of an
adapter?>>

At lunch I checked my ECU plug. My 93' has the 10pin style and not the new
OBD-II style. Thanks for everyone's input.

tj
93' 3kVR4
K+N FIPK
Apex AVC-R
2nd Getrag Tranny

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:32:32 EST
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Electrical problem

Hey Everyone,

    Got some kind of electrical problem. After driving around for an hour, I
turned the car off; came back in 3 hours and the car was dead (the dome light
was barely lit...real dull). So, I jumped the car with another car and it
started easily. I dont' get it? I have a new battery in there!
    I drove around for another hour and reached home (by the way, my SRS
light was on the during the whole hour - this is the first for me to have the
SRS stay on). So when I finally got home and parked, I turned the car off
and tried to re-start......NO LUCK....it's DEAD again. So I popped the hood
again, checked to see if my insulated hood liner was somehow making contact
with the battery terminals...all checked out okay. THEN I HEARD THIS TICKING
SOUND!!! coming from the fuse box area; I removed the cover and isolated the
TICKING sound to the Rad. Fan (LO) / Vent.Rad (BAS) relay switch in the fuse
box. Ticking like crazy!!!! Then I went to open my driver's side door and
then the ticking stopped after I opened the driver's door.
    So, I guess I need a new Rad. Fan (LO) / Vent. Rad (BAS) Relay switch???
Or maybe a new alternator? Any ideas from you guys???

Thanks in advance,
Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:39:44 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Electrical problem

Ahmed...

Have you cleaned and tightened the posts/terminals?

A little loose, or a little dirt, and you'll have the exact symptoms you
describe.

BTW...are you sure the ticking isn't from your Boost Controller solenoid?

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com [mailto:TurboDrvn@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:33 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Electrical problem

Hey Everyone,

    Got some kind of electrical problem. After driving around for an hour,
I
turned the car off; came back in 3 hours and the car was dead (the dome
light
was barely lit...real dull). So, I jumped the car with another car and it
started easily. I dont' get it? I have a new battery in there!
    I drove around for another hour and reached home (by the way, my SRS
light was on the during the whole hour - this is the first for me to have
the
SRS stay on). So when I finally got home and parked, I turned the car off
and tried to re-start......NO LUCK....it's DEAD again. So I popped the hood

again, checked to see if my insulated hood liner was somehow making contact
with the battery terminals...all checked out okay. THEN I HEARD THIS
TICKING
SOUND!!! coming from the fuse box area; I removed the cover and isolated
the
TICKING sound to the Rad. Fan (LO) / Vent.Rad (BAS) relay switch in the fuse

box. Ticking like crazy!!!! Then I went to open my driver's side door and
then the ticking stopped after I opened the driver's door.
    So, I guess I need a new Rad. Fan (LO) / Vent. Rad (BAS) Relay switch???

Or maybe a new alternator? Any ideas from you guys???

Thanks in advance,
Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:12:20 +1300
From: "B Collett" <hcollett@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Team3S: VPC, GCC

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I have a picture attached of the wires on my VPC and a 1991 GTO ECU =
scematic.
I just need to know what wires it goes into on the ECU.
If anyone has a VPC can you please look at you harness and see in =
conjunction with the scematic what wires it is wired into.

Any help would help me ALOT!!

Also, the GCC, what is the best way to tune it. Does anyone know what =
A/F or CO levels I should have at each RPM?

Finally with the VPC, I need to know what kind of chi it has, is there =
an easy way to check and can you tell if you look at it??

Thanks to anyone who can help.
No one down here in New Zealand knows anything about them!

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:21:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VPC, GCC

Henry,

CO content in exhaust gas is directly related to
air-fuel ratio, not RPM. However, the relationship is
not linear. You can interpolated between the following
A/F values to get intermediate %CO content.

%CO   A/F
0.1 14.71
0.3 14.41
0.5 14.27
1.0 14.10
2.0 13.76
3.0 13.37
4.0 12.99
5.0 12.63
6.0 12.24
7.0 11.88
8.0 11.53
9.0 11.15
10.0 10.78

Jeff Lucius - 1992 Stealth TT (modified)
StealthMan92@yahoo.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: B Collett
To: Brad Bedell ; Team 3S Tech List
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 3:12 AM
Subject: Team3S: VPC, GCC

... snip ...
Also, the GCC, what is the best way to tune it. Does
anyone know what A/F or CO levels I should have at
each RPM?
... snip ...

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:48:08 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TMO Datalogger & Burschur BOV

> I called Burschur Racing today. Their recommendations for upgrades included
> a custom BOV from a 1st gen talon and they also recommended their custom 3"
> exhaust. They said this would allow me to run 16-18 psi on premium pump
> without upgrading my fuel delivery system and without detonation.

Of course, if I also would sell my own stuff then I'd also recommend it, LOL !

The BOV is ok and it works better than our stock ones (plastic crap).

Their custom exhaust is absolutely unknown and David doesn't know a lot about
the V6 as he's the mister DSM :) I'm sure noone of those guys did knew that the
Datalogger works on our cars (and it does, hehe). You'll need nothing additional
the Datalogger just plugs in and works.

Knock should be measured at contignous boost from 3000 to 6000 rpm. The danger
area starts at 4850rpm and goes up the way. Usually, at 15psi, knock starts
around 5500 on the 5 speed. The dyno runs of the 2nd gen cars (Stealths) in
Switzerland showed that also those cars start to retard the timing with 15 psi.
This happens when knock rises above a summary of 11-15.

You can go with the exhaust but you should start with gutting the precats,
replacing the dp and then the cat-back.

Roger
93'3000GT TT

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