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December 15 1999 Volume 01 : Number
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Date:
Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:46:38 -0800
From: Nick Xiong <
nxiong@juno.com>
Subject: Team3S: what
happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
what happens to ECS if you do
w/non-oem
shocks?
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Date:
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:51:37 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
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Subject: RE: Team3S:
what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
You lose it. As an
added bonus, you also get a blinking ECS light on your
dashboard.
If
you drive around in Sport mode all the time you will not miss ECS.
If
you are a Tour mode kind of guy you may miss
it.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 1:47 AM
>
To:
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Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem
shocks?
>
>
> what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem
shocks?
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Date:
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:15:39 -0800
From: Steve Saeedi <
saeedi@netcom.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
At 12:46 AM -0800
12/14/99, Nick Xiong wrote:
>what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem
shocks?
It's also a matter of what happens to you. As Barry mentioned,
you lose flexibility as well as an always irritating blinking light. Kinda like
a love gone bad. You will eventually learn to live with the changes, but you'll
always be reminded of it when you least expect it. Consider the benefits
you reap by going after-market.
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Date:
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:13:27 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
As Barry said, you get
the light --- I disconnected the control
module in the right rear trunk area
and the light went away.
I checked the schematics first, it has a bunch of
inputs and
only the shocks as outputs so no side effects were
seen.
Jim
Berry
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> what
happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
>
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Date:
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:37:02 +1300
From:
Ryan.Judd@axon.co.nzSubject: RE:
Team3S: what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
or you can simply
remove the ECS light bulb from the dash console., it takes
about 5 mins to
remove and reinstall.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry
[
mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, 14 December 1999 7:13
To:
kyle@logicaldirection.com; Nick
Xiong
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
As Barry
said, you get the light --- I disconnected the control
module in the right
rear trunk area and the light went away.
I checked the schematics first, it
has a bunch of inputs and
only the shocks as outputs so no side effects were
seen.
Jim
Berry
=============================================
> what
happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
>
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Date:
Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:54 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Admin Notice: List problems - PLEASE read...
Hey, all,
Apologies
for the list stumbling over the last few days... Our ISP
is in a state
of confusion while they are installing new servers and
reconfiguring their
entire system. The Team3S list has been down
for two consecutive nights
and sporadic outages during the days as
well. This is a similar
"hiccup" to what we experienced over the
Thanksgiving
weekend. You may find that posts are coming in out of
order or that the
server has "eaten" one of your posts and it
doesn't show up at
all. There are myriad problems that may occur
during this period, the
worst of which is that the list may well go
down again for an hour or for a
day... I figured I'd better squeeze
a note out to you all before that
happens. :-)
The admins are on the case (except for Darcy, whose
entire telco is
down until 12/17!), and we'll keep you updated as we learn
more
about the current situation. Please don't send "test
posts" to the
list-- you'll either see messages or you won't. And
we'll be
through all of it soon.
This has happened just a few days too
soon, since we're just about
to move the list elsewhere. Our ISP,
Sirius.com, got gobbled up by
a bigger fish, FirstWorld.com, and went from
"The Best in the Bay
Area" to "the worst on the West
Coast" as a result of the 'merger'.
We'll be implementing a new system
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and more organized way of accessing the
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We'll have the past subjects indexed, and much better
search
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with
any luck, the entire thing will come together as a new and
much
better setup on or before the new millenium begins. Stay
tuned...
Thanks to all for your patience, and for not drowning me with
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One fortunate thing is that list traffic is usually very low
this
time of year, with most folks involved with plans for the
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Date:
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:38:13 +1300
From:
Ryan.Judd@axon.co.nzSubject: Team3S:
what happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
thats your problem right
there you dont need a wrench only a phillips head
screwdriver, theres 2
screws which hold the facia on and 2 or four screws
which hold that actual
speedo in place, then you just pull it forward and it
comes out.
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry [
mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Wednesday,
15 December 1999 8:32
To: Judd, Ryan - Axon AKL
Subject: Re: Team3S: what
happens to ECS if you do w/non-oem shocks?
I'm pretty handy with a
wrench and I'd be hard pressed to remove the
instrument cluster and reinstall
it in 5 min ---- try 1/2 hour if you know
what you're
doing.
Jim
Berry
===========================================
> or
you can simply remove the ECS light bulb from the dash console.,
it
takes
> about 5 mins to remove and reinstall.
>
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Date:
Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:13:06 -0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: What's that exhaust again?
I found a Y exhaust pipe in a catalog
that goes from a 3 in. inlet pipe to
two 2-1/2 in. pipes. I thought I might
fab up a rear exhaust with it, going
from the Y to two 2-1/2 in.
straight-through glass pack mufflers.
But I thought I'd better check
with the wizards on the list first before I
get myself into
trouble:
1. Is the pipe from the main cat back a 3-in.
pipe?
2. If I split it into two 2-1/2 in. pipes, it will not cause
more
restriction, correct? (I recall recent calculations here a few days
ago
that seemed to indicate I will be allright)
3. The biggest
problem seems to be fitting a muffler on the passenger
side. Has anyone found
a glasspack that fits nicely in there? If so, what
size? Who makes it?
How loud?
All advice and guidance will be greatly
appreciated.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/gettin' LOUD
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Date:
Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:24:52 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What's that exhaust again?
Rich...
I don't think this
will work. The output from the stock cat is 2.5" (maybe
even
2.25"). I know of one listmember (Errin Humphrey) who has a 2.5"
dual
exhaust, but it's actually a dual from the precats back. He did the math
and
it actually flows more air than the more common 3" single pipe. I'm
not sure
if he has any muffler at all (Errin, are you out there?) but it
sounds quite
nice. My concern with this approach is weight. When I pulled my
stock
exhaust, it was VERY heavy (I wish I had weighed it before it hit the
scrap
heap). The GReddy, which eliminates the stock crossover by the trunk
is
lighter, but still heavy. I removed it finally and added a single
Flowmaster
muffler to the end of the downpipe. I think this is as light as I
can hope
to get. Yes, it's louder than stock, but heck...I just turn up the
stereo
and go faster so the sound is blown behind me.
:-)
Looking forward...Chris
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Merritt [
mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent:
Tuesday, December 14, 1999 12:13 PM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comSubject:
Team3S: What's that exhaust again?
I found a Y exhaust pipe in a
catalog that goes from a 3 in. inlet pipe to
two 2-1/2 in. pipes. I thought I
might fab up a rear exhaust with it, going
from the Y to two 2-1/2 in.
straight-through glass pack mufflers.
But I thought I'd better check
with the wizards on the list first before I
get myself into
trouble:
1. Is the pipe from the main cat back a 3-in.
pipe?
2. If I split it into two 2-1/2 in. pipes, it will not cause
more
restriction, correct? (I recall recent calculations here a few days
ago
that seemed to indicate I will be allright)
3. The biggest
problem seems to be fitting a muffler on the passenger
side. Has anyone found
a glasspack that fits nicely in there? If so, what
size? Who makes it?
How loud?
All advice and guidance will be greatly
appreciated.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/gettin' LOUD
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Date:
Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:46:22 -0800
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: ECS Struts
Anybody have a set of GOOD working ECS struts they're
not planning to use?
Im considering those (in sport mode) as an upgrade,
if only to keep my kidneys
intact for when we do a spring/coilover upgrade
next spring.
Thanks
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Date:
Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:02:43 -0500
From: "Kevin" <
Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: What's that exhaust again?
> 1. Is the pipe from the
main cat back a 3-in. pipe?
Yes on non california models. European and
CA cars had a different system
with 2 3/4" pipe and a resonator.
(according to Roger)
> 2. If I split it into two 2-1/2 in. pipes, it
will not cause more
> restriction, correct? (I recall recent calculations
here a few days ago
> that seemed to indicate I will be allright)
No
more restriction, actually less, but I am not sure if it will help since
the
3" pipe is still before the split.
> 3. The biggest problem
seems to be fitting a muffler on the passenger
> side. Has anyone found a
glasspack that fits nicely in there? If so, what
> size? Who makes
it? How loud?
Do you really want glass packs? My experience with them
is that they
eventually blow out and never sound as good as a flowmaster. (I
am biased
:-) ) I just had by stock exhaust cut off from the rear axle
back and had a
single 3" Flowmaster welded in. Cost me $100 in
labor at the local exhaust
shop and $89 for the muffler. It's louder
than a Borla system and sounds
very aggressive. It does however have a
resonance at cruising RPM which
could get a little annoying. I have the
"40 Series" which is the original
design, but they do have a new
muffler which is supposed to cut out the
resonance. (delta flow series) Check
out their site for more info.
http://www.flowmastermufflers.com>
>
All advice and guidance will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Rich/old
poop/94 VR4/gettin' LOUD
>
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Date:
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:32:44 -0800
From: Errin Humphrey <
errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: What's that exhaust again?
Chris Winkley wrote:
> I
don't think this will work. The output from the stock cat is 2.5"
(maybe
> even 2.25").
It's 2.75" off the main
cat.
> I know of one listmember (Errin Humphrey) who has a 2.5"
dual
> exhaust, but it's actually a dual from the precats
back.
Yup!
> He did the math and
> it actually flows more
air than the more common 3" single pipe.
It probably flows about the
same as a 3.5" single (taking added
friction into account).
Certainly excessive for stock turbos, and
well sufficient for the biggest
turbos currently available.
> I'm not sure if he has any muffler at
all (Errin, are you out there?)
Yeah, I'm here, Chris! :)
Actually, I'm about 1000 emails behind
on the mailing list and desperately
trying to catch up. I have dual
fullsize mufflers, one on each
side. They are Dynomax Bullet 2.5"
straight-throughs, 18"
long 6" wide round stainless-steel cases.
> but it sounds quite
nice.
You heard it? Oh yeah, last November. I think at that
time I didn't
have any mufflers on. Now with the dual Bullets (and dual
glasspacks)
it sounds very smooth and "purry." Not as boomy
and much quieter
than 3" single.
> My concern with this
approach is weight. When I pulled my stock
> exhaust, it was VERY heavy (I
wish I had weighed it before it hit the scrap
> heap).
The stock
system weighs a ton. My true-dual system weighs very
little.
Straight-through 2.5" 14ga aluminized steel piping is quite light,
and I
could easily pick up each pipe with one hand. The mufflers
weighed in
at about 8lbs apiece. I'll weigh the system one of these
days for
comparison.
Rich Merritt wrote:
> >1. Is the pipe from
the main cat back a 3-in. pipe?
2.75"
For reference
sake: piping off of the front header and rear 02
housing is
2". Piping into and out of the catalytic conver is
2.75".
Piping off of the active exhaust unit (going to the passenger
side
resonator) is 2.25".
> >2. If I split it into
two 2-1/2 in. pipes, it will not cause more
> >restriction, correct? (I
recall recent calculations here a few days ago
> >that seemed to
indicate I will be allright)
Definitely not.
> >3. The
biggest problem seems to be fitting a muffler on the passenger
> >side.
Has anyone found a glasspack that fits nicely in there? If so,
what
> >size? Who makes it? How loud?
With dual (even just
"fake" dual) straight-through exhaust, it's going to be
pretty loud
unless you have mufflers on both sides. Of course, everyone
has their
own gauge for "loud." I can tell you right away that a
glasspack
(the smaller 3.5" casing kind) won't do much at all.
amhik. If you're
going to put a full-size muffler on the passenger side
(like my Bullets), it
is necessary to "modify" the fuel filler
hose. You have to remove the fuel
filler hose metal guard so you can
remove the rubber hose and cut it
shorter, then modify the guard so that it
leaves more room for a muffler.
Any experienced muffler mechanic can do this
no problem.
Anyone on this list who hasn't seen pictures of my system and
wants me
to send them some, please send me a ~personal~ email.
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Seattle, WA
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