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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:07:29 -0500
From: "Kevin" <
Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Rear brake change ('91 to '94+)
I am sorry to say, but you
are wrong. Double the area, double the force.
It does not matter if the
pistons are opposing or not.
Take care,
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Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear brake change
('91 to '94+)
> keep in mind, the pistons are opposing. Therefore,
the clamping force is
> equal between one or two piston calipers even
though the piston area is
> doubled.
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Date:
Fri, 05 Nov 1999 23:25:33 CST
From: "Curt Gendron" <
curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Upper Midwest Gathering next year
Hey everyone,
I thought
I already sent out this e-mail, but I never saw it hit the list.
I
apoligize if your getting this message twice.
I'm starting to organize an
Upper Midwest Gathering next May, in Wisconsin
Dells. The webpage for
the event, can be found at:
http://www.mn3s.org/upper-midwest.htmlThe
sign up for the event will be done via Onelist.com. Just sign up for
the "upper-midwest" mailing list, if your interested in attending
and you'll
get all further updates. The direct link to sign up is:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/upper-midwestThis
event will be huge!!
later,
Curt
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:29:57 -0500
From: "Eddie" <
stealth3@superservers.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Changing plugs
Thank you everyone for all your help!
I
ended up getting it done (6 hours later) ;-)
I did get the NGK's -
.035" gap
- --
One other question that I do have. - I have a
greddy profec A
Before, I had it programmed, and the stock boost was
about .5 bar
I ran approx. .7 bar around town, with a .045 gap.
After
changing the plugs (and a new air-filter - still not a FIPK ;-( --
I left the
setting at .7 bar -- I boosted up to 1.2 bar!!!
Why is this? I can not
turn my boost down - (In other words, the "stock"
boost seems to be
1.2bar) -- I checked the vac lines, etc.. Everything looks
fine
I
can't imagine that a new gap ( .1" change) would almost _double_
my
boost?)
Thank you _In advance_ for all your
help!
Eddie
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Date:
Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:33:37 +0100
From: "R.G." <
robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Venom 400
> Anyone ever heard of or used a piggyback ECU
called the Venom 400? It's
> from NOPI and claims 25% increase in
horsepower (1k-6k rpm) and significant
> increase in torque for our
cars.
One more of this "rip-off" stuff ! 25% more horsepower
...this is just
bullsh&%t. No, you can't do this with a piggy-back
computer otherwise, this
would mean that the stock ECU only let the car run
on 75%. BTW, it's Venom
performance and NOPI just (tries) sells it
The
people from dynamic racing (I think a guy called Matt) tried it but it
never
worked. Maybe you will see a gain in a car that already runs on a low
advanced
iginition system. But ours is already in the high figures area so
you'll see
nothing, nada, niente, but a hole in your pocket and a car that
runs into
problems.
> The install sounds pretty simple (30 minutes
with simple hand tools) and for
> around $300 bucks, this could be a good
gainer, especially for us NA folks
> who have rather limited mod options
compared to the turbos.
It's an old idea and with the faster computers we
have today they can advance
the timing in real time. But simply said : Forget
it !
Don't trust anyone who claims 25% more hp from a piggy back system
as his aim is
to take your money !
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:45:33 +0100
From: "R.G." <
robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: question on fuel
> I'm just curious if anyone could explain
what's different about racing fuel
> vs. pump fuel?
There are a lot
factors. In short, racing fuel has a much higher octane rating
and burns
slower causing much less detonation even with high
compression/pressure in
the chamber.
> Also what are the effects of using it in our cars (as
in say
> you want to go to the track for a day, and want to use racing
fuel, will it
> destroy our engines)?
No, it will not. But be
carefuly regarding the racing fuel as some do have lead
in it. If you run
without any cats than it is no problem but the lead will
destory the cats if
they are there.
> Are there any mods you have to have on yer car
in
> order to use racing fuel? If so does that mean that you
couldn't ever use
> pump fuel again?
No, you can go back at any
time. For the mods, running leaded race fuel the cats
must be out. Unleaded
race fuel is ok.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:36:58 -0500
From: "Andy Carberry" <
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Subject: Team3S:
Turbo timers
I was wonder what models everyone here are using? I am
looking into a
APEXi's newer turbo timer but I also heard that the Greddy one
is good. Any
pros or cons to these?
Thanks,
Andy
93VR4
#134
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 06:39:40 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Changing plugs
Eddie...
Whenever you change anything
with your engine, you should reset the car's
ECU (disconnect the battery for
> 30 minutes) and reset your boost
controller. Both need to relearn
changes in parameters.
Looking forward...Chris
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From: Eddie [
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Sent:
Saturday, November 06, 1999 12:30 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: Changing plugs
<snip>
One other question that I
do have. - I have a greddy profec A
Before, I had it programmed, and the
stock boost was about .5 bar
I ran approx. .7 bar around town, with a .045
gap.
After changing the plugs (and a new air-filter - still not a FIPK
;-( --
I left the setting at .7 bar -- I boosted up to 1.2 bar!!!
Why
is this? I can not turn my boost down - (In other words, the
"stock"
boost seems to be 1.2bar) -- I checked the vac lines, etc..
Everything looks
fine
I can't imagine that a new gap ( .1"
change) would almost _double_ my
boost?)
Thank you _In advance_ for
all your help!
Eddie
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 06:43:05 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Turbo timers
Andy...
I have the GReddy, it works just
fine. Has a couple programs, so you can
cool down different times under
different conditions. I think the biggest
issue (with all TTs?) is that you
can't use the stock alarm system without
modifications (i.e., you can't lock
the car and alarm it with the TT
counting down). Soooo, for me the answer is
usually to sit there with the
stereo blasting for one more song before I
leave the car. :-)
Looking forward...Chris
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From: Andy Carberry [
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Sent:
Saturday, November 06, 1999 5:37 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comSubject:
Team3S: Turbo timers
I was wonder what models everyone here are
using? I am looking into a
APEXi's newer turbo timer but I also heard
that the Greddy one is good. Any
pros or cons to
these?
Thanks,
Andy 93VR4
#134
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:54:24 -0600
From: "Oskar" <
swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Turbo timers
> I was wonder what models everyone here are using?
I am looking into a
The Blitz Dual Turbo Timer has a built in boost
meter(digital) with a boost
peak memory. This is an inexpensive way to
acuire a peak boost meter.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
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Date:
Sat, 06 Nov 1999 15:52:34 +0100
From: Matthews <
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo timers
Andy Carberry wrote:
>
> I was
wonder what models everyone here are using? I am looking into a
>
APEXi's newer turbo timer but I also heard that the Greddy one is good.
Any
> pros or cons to these?
I have the newer model and it works
fine, but I would have bought the
Blitz Dual Timer had it been available at
the time. Unlike other
timers, the Blitz monitors boost and
automatically computes the cooldown
duration based on how hard the car has
been driven. It also offers peak
boost hold, a feature my 1st gen
SAVC-R lacks.
- --
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Date:
Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:04:14 +0100
From: Matthews <
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo timers
Chris Winkley wrote:
>
>
Andy...
>
> I have the GReddy, it works just fine. Has a couple
programs, so you can
> cool down different times under different
conditions. I think the biggest
> issue (with all TTs?) is that you can't
use the stock alarm system without
> modifications (i.e., you can't lock
the car and alarm it with the TT
> counting down). Soooo, for me the
answer is usually to sit there with the
> stereo blasting for one more
song before I leave the car. :-)
>
> Looking
forward...Chris
Note that I do have my A'PEXi timer working with the
stock alarm system
(ie- I can arm the alarm with the engine still running via
the timer as
long as the E-brake is on), but I have no idea how it was
done
(installed by Extreme Motorsports, and it took them two tries!).
I
assume that with the mods already in place, swapping the A'PEXi with
a
Blitz would not be a problem...
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Germany
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K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0
bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off
Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Abex metallic
brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:56:16 EST
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question on fuel
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Hi Roger & everyone,
But won't the Leaded
Race fuel have some kind of negative effect on the O2
sensors? I
always use Unleaded Race fuel at the track but have always been
curious if I
can use the Leaded Race Fuel ( I have all my cats gutted but
thought that
the Leaded Race fuel will damage my O2 sensor/s)?? I have the
1st.
generation VR4; this is my daily driver and I will always go back to
pump
Unleaded Premium gas after the race tracks.....so is it safe for me to
use
LEADED race gas at the track and go back to pump gas for street
use???????
Ahmed "AL-craZy" - '92 VR4
In a message dated
11/6/99 4:46:36 AM Central Standard Time,
robby@swissonline.ch
writes:
<< No, it will not. But be carefuly regarding the racing
fuel as some do have
lead
in it. If you run without any cats than it is
no problem but the lead will
destory the cats if they are there.
>
Are there any mods you have to have on yer car in
> order to use racing
fuel? If so does that mean that you couldn't ever use
> pump fuel
again?
No, you can go back at any time. For the mods, running leaded race
fuel the
cats
must be out. Unleaded race fuel is
ok.
Roger
93'3000GT TT >>
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:24:19 -0600
From: "Shawn and Sarah Cullen"
<
spcullen@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Venom 400
Thanks for the input. Sometimes you just want
something like that to be
true -- but it's always best to ask the pros in
here what they think.
thanks again,
SC92SL
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From: R.G. <
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To: Sirius
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stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent:
Saturday, November 06, 1999 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Venom
400
> > Anyone ever heard of or used a piggyback ECU called the
Venom 400? It's
> > from NOPI and claims 25% increase in
horsepower (1k-6k rpm) and
significant
> > increase in torque for
our cars.
>
> One more of this "rip-off" stuff ! 25% more
horsepower ...this is just
> bullsh&%t. No, you can't do this with a
piggy-back computer otherwise,
this
> would mean that the stock ECU
only let the car run on 75%. BTW, it's Venom
> performance and NOPI just
(tries) sells it
>
> The people from dynamic racing (I think a guy
called Matt) tried it but it
never
> worked. Maybe you will see a gain
in a car that already runs on a low
advanced
> iginition system. But
ours is already in the high figures area so you'll
see
> nothing, nada,
niente, but a hole in your pocket and a car that runs into
>
problems.
>
> > The install sounds pretty simple (30 minutes with
simple hand tools) and
for
> > around $300 bucks, this could be a
good gainer, especially for us NA
folks
> > who have rather limited
mod options compared to the turbos.
>
> It's an old idea and with
the faster computers we have today they can
advance
> the timing in
real time. But simply said : Forget it !
>
> Don't trust anyone who
claims 25% more hp from a piggy back system as his
aim is
> to take
your money !
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
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Date:
Sat, 06 Nov 1999 10:36:00 CST
From: "Curt Gendron" <
curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Fwd: Team3S: question on fuel
You can use leaded racing fuel at the
1/4 mile track. Just make sure you
dump unleaded fuel in
afterwards. Extended use of leaded racing gas will
crap out your o2
sensors, but 10 times up and down the 1/4 mile track won't
hurt it.
Just don't drive 50 miles home on leaded racing gas.
You still need to
make sure you have no cats also.
later,
Curt
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>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:56:16
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Date:
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From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Turbo timers
> timers, the Blitz monitors boost and
automatically computes the cooldown
> duration based on how hard the car
has been driven. It also offers peak
> boost hold, a feature my 1st
gen SAVC-R lacks.
I do have the Blitz Dual Timer installed and must say
it is a really great
device. You can switch between manual timing control
(10"- 9'50'') or the
automatic setting Jim already mentioned. Auto is
always 10 sec minimum but
adjusts very quickly up and down regarding the
boost level. It is coupled
with the hand brake switch and the speed sensor (I
didn't used it) and if
you don't like the 10 sec just switch the engine off
by tipping onto the
main button (kinda cool)
Please note there is a
Turbo Timer and Dual Timer and only the second is the
one that has the boost
sensor built in. Price range is between $110 - $120
and about $25 for the
harness that makes installation a breeze.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:29:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Wise <
diranged@hearme.com>
Subject:
Team3S: New To List/Few Questions..
First of all, I'd like to say I am
new to this list.. If this type of post
is not what you guys deal with,
please accept my appologies, but I did not
get much help in the
stealth@starnet.net list.
Three
weeks ago I purchased a 1993 3000GT VR-4. I knew it had a bad
sycnrho in 3rd
gear, so I gota warentee and they are supposedly putting a
new tranny in next
week some time under the GM warentee. (I HOPE! If they
dont, I have a real
problem!) I have a few questions about the car.. as
well as things i've done
to it and will do in the future.
1) I replaced the spark plugs last
week. When I did so, I didnt put the
upper IC pipe (for the upper turbo) back
on , I just let it hang there
because i am an idiot. After a day, I decided
to figure out what was going
on and realized what happened. I bought the
O-ring again because it had
been schredded ($7 for an o-ring at mitsu!
Geeze!) by all of the air from
the turbo. My question is, since then, the car
hasnt felt like it had as
much kick. Am I imagining things? Is it possible
that I made a leak
somewhere else? (I checked all the hoses and pipes I could
find.. Nothing
SEEMS loose.
2) Do our rear wheels turn the SAME or
OPPOSITE direction as the front
wheels? I've heard both.. and at what speed
to they start turning, and how
much?
3) Could I get two used 13g
turbos off an old automatic Eclipse and use
those? would they bolt on? If so,
why wouldnt a 14b bolt on? Are the
Eclipse 13g's different from the upgraded
ones you'd get at Extreme for
instance?
4) I added a Blitz Dual TUrbo
Timer about 2 weeks ago, and i've noticed
that when I put it in gear and
floor it, max boost is about .4-.42 BAR. It
only hits .5-.55 BAR when i
SHIFT.. Whats going on? this seems trange..
Could the wastegate be broken or
something? Maybe this has to do with my
1st question.. Maybe I have a loose
hose somewhere.
5) I added a K&N air filter yesterday, and I
definately noticed a
difference in the pickup.. how much HP did this most
likely add? (by the
way, I am on 9b turbos, the US spec.. not euro spec) How
much HP will a
boost controller set at 1.02 bar add? (not to the wheels, just
total.. )
6) I've heard that our cars loose %33 through the
drivetrain... Is that
accurate? If so, how much does a smaller pulley help?
(yes the list keeps going!)
7) If the Euro spec 3kgt's have 13g
turbos, how much HP are they rated at?
(just out of curiosity) and why dont
US spec 3kgt's/Stealth's have those
same turbos?
8) What QUIET
exhaust would you guys recomend? I'm thinking the HKS dual
tip exhaust. The
borla would be nice, but its SOO LOUD!
9) How much horsepower can stock
9b turbos hold? What would you guys
recomend for a streetable car? 15g's?
THanks, those are all of the questions i've been thinking about
this
morning.. i'm sure I'll have more later :)
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Admin*
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:35:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Wise <
diranged@hearme.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: New To List/Few Questions..
Oh yeah! One more thing...
When
I put the K&N in , I removed all 4 of those honeycome metal things..
THey
didnt LOOK like they did anything but smooth the air flow a bit I
guess. When
I did that, the car idled like crap. When I put them back in,
the car idled
great. What are they, why did the car idle like that w/o
them?
Thanks.
- --Matt Wise
*NOC Admin*
(650) 429 3751
On Sat, 6
Nov 1999, Matt Wise wrote:
> First of all, I'd like to say I am new to
this list.. If this type of post
> is not what you guys deal with, please
accept my appologies, but I did not
> get much help in the
stealth@starnet.net list.
>
> Three weeks ago I purchased a 1993 3000GT VR-4. I knew it had a
bad
> sycnrho in 3rd gear, so I gota warentee and they are supposedly
putting a
> new tranny in next week some time under the GM warentee. (I
HOPE! If they
> dont, I have a real problem!) I have a few questions about
the car.. as
> well as things i've done to it and will do in the future.
>
> 1) I replaced the spark plugs last week. When I did so, I
didnt put the
> upper IC pipe (for the upper turbo) back on , I just let
it hang there
> because i am an idiot. After a day, I decided to figure
out what was going
> on and realized what happened. I bought the O-ring
again because it had
> been schredded ($7 for an o-ring at mitsu! Geeze!)
by all of the air from
> the turbo. My question is, since then, the car
hasnt felt like it had as
> much kick. Am I imagining things? Is it
possible that I made a leak
> somewhere else? (I checked all the hoses and
pipes I could find.. Nothing
> SEEMS loose.
>
> 2) Do our
rear wheels turn the SAME or OPPOSITE direction as the front
> wheels?
I've heard both.. and at what speed to they start turning, and how
> much?
>
> 3) Could I get two used 13g turbos off an old automatic
Eclipse and use
> those? would they bolt on? If so, why wouldnt a 14b bolt
on? Are the
> Eclipse 13g's different from the upgraded ones you'd get at
Extreme for
> instance?
>
> 4) I added a Blitz Dual TUrbo
Timer about 2 weeks ago, and i've noticed
> that when I put it in gear and
floor it, max boost is about .4-.42 BAR. It
> only hits .5-.55 BAR when i
SHIFT.. Whats going on? this seems trange..
> Could the wastegate be
broken or something? Maybe this has to do with my
> 1st question.. Maybe I
have a loose hose somewhere.
>
> 5) I added a K&N air filter
yesterday, and I definately noticed a
> difference in the pickup.. how
much HP did this most likely add? (by the
> way, I am on 9b turbos, the US
spec.. not euro spec) How much HP will a
> boost controller set at 1.02
bar add? (not to the wheels, just total.. )
>
> 6) I've heard that
our cars loose %33 through the drivetrain... Is that
> accurate? If so,
how much does a smaller pulley help?
>
> (yes the list keeps
going!)
>
> 7) If the Euro spec 3kgt's have 13g turbos, how much
HP are they rated at?
> (just out of curiosity) and why dont US spec
3kgt's/Stealth's have those
> same turbos?
>
> 8) What QUIET
exhaust would you guys recomend? I'm thinking the HKS dual
> tip exhaust.
The borla would be nice, but its SOO LOUD!
>
> 9) How much
horsepower can stock 9b turbos hold? What would you guys
> recomend for a
streetable car? 15g's?
>
> THanks, those are all of the questions
i've been thinking about this
> morning.. i'm sure I'll have more later :)
>
> --Matt Wise
> *NOC Admin*
> (650) 429 3751
>
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Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:18:22 -0600
From: "Benson \"elmagoo\"
Russell" <
benson@2015.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
New To List/Few Questions..
That's a good question about the honey-comb
things. When I put on my K&N,
it was hell and high-water to get
that damn original air-box off of the MAS.
I accidentally in the process
destroyed the two smaller honeycomb pieces on
the side (the rounded ones),
but managed to salvage the big one in the
center. So I'm running with
just one of those pieces in due to engineering
stupidity on those damn 4
screws that hold the MAS to the stock air-box. It
took me 3+ hours and
a friends help to get those two things separated, and I
had to totally shred
the bottom portion of the stock air-box. It's an
amusing story to say
the least :).
Latuh fuh U,
Benson
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:12:46 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
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Subject: RE: Team3S:
New To List/Few Questions..
The honeycombs are there to smooth the
airflow. This is critical for the
type of airflow sensing technology
used by the factory MAS. Removing them
will definitely yield inaccurate
results being sent to the ECU. Whether the
car runs properly or not
after they are removed or modified is a crap shoot
on the
3000.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
> Oh yeah!
One more thing...
> When I put the K&N in , I removed all 4 of those
honeycome metal things..
> THey didnt LOOK like they did anything but
smooth the air flow a bit I
> guess. When I did that, the car idled like
crap. When I put them back in,
> the car idled great. What are they, why
did the car idle like that w/o
> them? Thanks.
>
> --Matt
Wise
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:40:54 -0500
From: "Michael McWilliams" <
CelMike@email.msn.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Oil BEFORE rear turbo
My car has been blowing large amounts of
blue smoke. I did a compression
check and got good numbers. I
also replaced the PCV valve. I found oil in
the rear intercooler pipe
and concluded that the bearings and/or seals were
bad causing an oil leak
which resulted in the smoke.
I was starting to remove the rear turbo to
have it sent out for rebuild when
I noticed a lot of oil in the intake hose
BEFORE the rear turbo. The only
place it could be coming from is a hose
identified only as a "vent hose" in
the manual. This hose
originates on the passenger side of the engine near
the top center just below
the intake plenum. It leads to the "T" hose which
connects
the mass air meter to the hoses leading to the turbo intakes
(closer to the
rear turbo).
Oil is traveling through this hose, into the rear turbo
intake where it
eventually goes through the intercooler and ultimately into
the Y-pipe and
intake. What gives? I know Roger had a similar
problem which he described
as 'PCV oiling' when his engine needed to be
rebuilt, but I have good
compression numbers on all six cylinders.
Could there just be sludge built
up in an oil drain hole which is preventing
it from draining back into the
pan in that particular passage?
Please
help ASAP. My car is half apart and I need to know what to do.
Any
ideas appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:10:34 -0500
From: "Kevin" <
Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Went drag racing today, need some opinions !
First the car.
91
Stealth TT
Gutted cat/precats
New NGK plugs gapped to .034"
New
Accell plug wires
60k service just done
Blitz SSBC set to 1.05
bar
Now my best time
Temp: 64
Relative humidity:
54
60'
-
2.105
330'
- 6.007
1/8 mile
- 9.357
1/8 mile MPH -
73.98
1000'
- 12.185
1/4 mile
- 14.521
1/4 mile mph - 97.05
>From everything I have
seen online this is way too slow for my car. I know
the 60' times were
a little slow as I was having trouble launching. I tried
launching at
5000 - 5500 RPM and dumping the clutch, which was ok but not
neck
snapping. I did launch once trying to slip the clutch but ended
up
toasting the clutch. I was hoping for low 13 second times, and I
have seen
similar cars going 13.2 with 60' times close to mine. What
should I look at
first? The car is running fine, no odd noises,
sputtering or any other
signs. I have noticed the oil cap is leaking
after I finished the 60k mile
service. (including new PCV valve) Could
this be related? Any 1/4 mile
guys out there that can make sense of my
times, please speak up.
Thank you,
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:26:24 -0500
From: "Michael McWilliams" <
CelMike@email.msn.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Oil BEFORE rear turbo
One more thing...
To test my
"clogged oil drain passage" theory, I used a funnel to pour
oil
into the hose which is the source of the oil. The oil WAS making
its way to
the pan (as evidenced by the higher oil level on the dipstick),
but it was
draining VERY slowly. It took me 3-4 minutes to pour less
than half a quart
down the hose it drained so slow.
Anyone out there
think that using a 'de-sludge' product from Pep Boys might
help my
problem?
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:23:27 -0500
From: Del A Kolasinski <
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Subject: Re:
Team3S: Went drag racing today, need some opinions !
Well the most
important thing that you can do is just to practice on
driving the car.
It'll make all the difference in the world! You really
need to get
those 60ft. times down into the 1.7's to 1.9's. Trust me
I've seen my
friend, a not so great driver run his VR4 to low 13 second
times, a different
driver hopped in and in his first attempt went 11.9.
Honestly with the mods
you have you could probably go 12.8 to 13.1 every
time down the track just
like I did when I had the same level of
mods.
Del
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:53:01 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: New2List/Few Q's-- partial reply...
A few quick answers, to a
few of your questions... BTW, much of
this stuff has been discussed at
length before, and can be found in
our Team3S archives; access them
from our webpage. They are zip
files, and can be searched by keyword to
find the posts you want.
- -----Original Message-----From: Matt Wise
<
diranged@hearme.com>
-
------snip-----
>5) I added a K&N air filter yesterday, and I
definitely noticed a
>difference in the pickup.. how much HP did this most
likely add?
(by the
- -------snip--------
They claim up to 10 to 15
HP increase for the turbos. Since
replacing the stock airbox with a
K&N FIPK, I dynoed 6 HP increase
on my base Stealth; since the turbo
S/3k's are roughly twice the HP,
it's reasonable to expect a 12 HP (or
better) gain. The K&N
replacement filter that fits IN our stock
airbox only gives a couple
of HP, though...
>6) I've heard that
our cars lose %33 through the drivetrain... Is
that
>accurate? If so,
how much does a smaller pulley help?
Rated HP results in 15% - 20% less
at the wheels.
>3) Could I get two used 13g turbos off an old
automatic Eclipse and
use
>those? would they bolt on? If so, why
wouldnt a 14b bolt on? Are
the
>Eclipse 13g's different from the
upgraded ones you'd get at Extreme
for
>instance?
>5) I added a
K&N air filter yesterday, and I definately noticed a
>difference in
the pickup.. how much HP did this most likely add?
(by the
>way, I am
on 9b turbos, the US spec.. not euro spec) How much HP
will a
>boost
controller set at 1.02 bar add? (not to the wheels, just
total.. )
>7)
If the Euro spec 3kgt's have 13g turbos, how much HP are they
rated
at?
>(just out of curiosity) and why dont US spec 3kgt's/Stealth's
have
those
>same turbos?
>9) How much horsepower can stock 9b
turbos hold? What would you
guys
>recomend for a streetable car?
15g's?
In answer to some of these #3, #5, #7, #9 Q's-- I know
little about
turbos, (and you'll get lots of info from the archives and some
more
replies still to come), but here's a whole education from a
recent
post by JackT on 10/25:
"...13G make at least 50+ hp more
than the 9B. I did no other
changes on my '93 and went from 12.727 @
107.562 mph to 12.172 @
112.890 mph quartermile on 8/31/94 going from 9B to
13G. This is
somewhat over 50hp, and I did not have the VPC/550 injectors
yet, so
had to limit boost to ~16-17psi or fuelcut came in. In
this
configuration, went best of 114.350 mph on 9/27/94, ~65hp more
(all
stats are NO nitrous in this letter, except as noted). --I
think
9B's can be good for about 410hp at wheels maxxed out with
standard
stuff...
...Once VPC/550 injectors in, 13G's went 12.000 and
119.381 best
mph, on 4/8/95; about 500 hp at the wheels; overall, gained
about
110 hp with 13G over 9B, but given other changes 13G likely ~100
hp
better than 9B. 13G best ET was 11.702 @ 118.061 on 6/6/96;
this
was through traps in 3rd gear, on the rev limiter. I was the
first
3000GT in the 11's 5/17/95 with an 11.937 @ 118.338. --I think
13G
can be good for about 510hp at wheels maxxed out with
standard
stuff....
...15G best MPH was 11.387 @ 125.76 11/28/96 at the 1st
Annual
3000GT/Stealth vs. Diamond Star Shootout in Temple, TX with the
550
injectors; about 575 hp at the wheels, so 15G make about 75 hp
more
than 13 G, but note I made some other changes so 15G likely
~40-50hp
better than 13G. After that, 720cc injectors did not add any
mph to
trapspeed, indeed seemed to LOWER speed likely due to
over-rich
condition-- but lowered EGT a tad (max 1850 F at Temple) which
may
or may not have been good because knock could at random times mean
EGT
high due to retard, or due to a true lean mix. Best ET for me
with 15G
was 11.303 @ 122.54 at DSM Shootout 5/16/97, which I won
class in :) full
interior, as required by Dave Buschur...Adam Weltz
went ~11.25 "no
NOS". --I think 15G can be good for about 580hp at
wheels maxxed
out with standard stuff...
...My car made best 575 or so at wheels no NOS,
but that is not
"maxxed" because I always had stock intercoolers,
no headers, no
head/intake/throttlebodyporting/ignition/standalone
computer--with
THOSE parts, my "maxxed out" figures could be
somewhat higher...
...Best 3000GT/Stealth ET/MPH overall is still my 10.810 @
128.44
with 15G's, 50hp NOS
on 6/3/97..."
--JackT
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:03:11 -0800
From: "Darcy Gunnlaugson" <
wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New To
List/Few Questions..
The honeycombs were put in there by Mitsu engineers
to serve as an
educational toy to bewilder the minds of those who think they
mean nothing
and consequently tear them out. They are something like the
Great Pyramid is
on a global basis: an educational toy to set bewilder the
mind of manchild.
;-)
Best
Darc
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Matt Wise <
diranged@hearme.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: New To List/Few
Questions..
>Oh yeah! One more thing...
>When I put the
K&N in , I removed all 4 of those honeycome metal things..
>THey didnt
LOOK like they did anything but smooth the air flow a bit I
>guess. When I
did that, the car idled like crap. When I put them back in,
>the car idled
great. What are they, why did the car idle like that w/o
>them?
Thanks.
>
>--Matt Wise
>*NOC Admin*
>(650) 429
3751
>
>On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Matt Wise wrote:
>
>>
First of all, I'd like to say I am new to this list.. If this type
of
post
>> is not what you guys deal with, please accept my
appologies, but I did
not
>> get much help in the
stealth@starnet.net list.
>>
>> Three weeks ago I purchased a
1993 3000GT VR-4. I knew it had a bad
>> sycnrho in 3rd gear, so I gota
warentee and they are supposedly putting a
>> new tranny in next week
some time under the GM warentee. (I HOPE! If they
>> dont, I have a
real problem!) I have a few questions about the car.. as
>> well as
things i've done to it and will do in the future.
>>
>> 1) I
replaced the spark plugs last week. When I did so, I didnt put the
>>
upper IC pipe (for the upper turbo) back on , I just let it hang
there
>> because i am an idiot. After a day, I decided to figure out
what was
going
>> on and realized what happened. I bought the O-ring
again because it had
>> been schredded ($7 for an o-ring at mitsu!
Geeze!) by all of the air from
>> the turbo. My question is, since
then, the car hasnt felt like it had as
>> much kick. Am I imagining
things? Is it possible that I made a leak
>> somewhere else? (I checked
all the hoses and pipes I could find.. Nothing
>> SEEMS
loose.
>>
>> 2) Do our rear wheels turn the SAME or OPPOSITE
direction as the front
>> wheels? I've heard both.. and at what speed
to they start turning, and
how
>> much?
>>
>> 3)
Could I get two used 13g turbos off an old automatic Eclipse and use
>>
those? would they bolt on? If so, why wouldnt a 14b bolt on? Are the
>>
Eclipse 13g's different from the upgraded ones you'd get at Extreme
for
>> instance?
>>
>> 4) I added a Blitz Dual TUrbo
Timer about 2 weeks ago, and i've noticed
>> that when I put it in gear
and floor it, max boost is about .4-.42 BAR.
It
>> only hits .5-.55
BAR when i SHIFT.. Whats going on? this seems trange..
>> Could the
wastegate be broken or something? Maybe this has to do with my
>> 1st
question.. Maybe I have a loose hose somewhere.
>>
>> 5) I
added a K&N air filter yesterday, and I definately noticed a
>>
difference in the pickup.. how much HP did this most likely add? (by
the
>> way, I am on 9b turbos, the US spec.. not euro spec) How much HP
will a
>> boost controller set at 1.02 bar add? (not to the wheels,
just total.. )
>>
>> 6) I've heard that our cars loose %33
through the drivetrain... Is that
>> accurate? If so, how much does a
smaller pulley help?
>>
>> (yes the list keeps
going!)
>>
>> 7) If the Euro spec 3kgt's have 13g turbos, how
much HP are they rated
at?
>> (just out of curiosity) and why dont
US spec 3kgt's/Stealth's have those
>> same
turbos?
>>
>> 8) What QUIET exhaust would you guys recomend?
I'm thinking the HKS dual
>> tip exhaust. The borla would be nice, but
its SOO LOUD!
>>
>> 9) How much horsepower can stock 9b turbos
hold? What would you guys
>> recomend for a streetable car?
15g's?
>>
>> THanks, those are all of the questions i've been
thinking about this
>> morning.. i'm sure I'll have more later
:)
>>
>> --Matt Wise
>> *NOC Admin*
>> (650)
429 3751
>>
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is
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:41:30 -0800
From: "Darcy Gunnlaugson" <
wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil
BEFORE rear turbo
Hey Mike;
One thing we have been through a few
times on this list, is that an oil
flush on TT's is a good idea to clean out
the ole system. Follow it up with
use of a synthetic (Mobil 1 is highly
regarded) and change regularly (no
later than every 2,500) Turbos cook the
oil and you will get problems with
fossils and long intervals on your
changes...as in sludge or cooked oil
build up. If you have bought the
car used, it is wise to try and remedy the
possible poor maintenance practice
of the previous owner, who in all
likelihood thought he/she was AJ
Foyt.
Best
Darc
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael
McWilliams <
CelMike@email.msn.com>
To:
stealth-3000 <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Saturday, November 06, 1999 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil BEFORE rear
turbo
>One more thing...
>
>To test my "clogged
oil drain passage" theory, I used a funnel to pour oil
>into the hose
which is the source of the oil. The oil WAS making its
way
to
>the pan (as evidenced by the higher oil level on the dipstick),
but it was
>draining VERY slowly. It took me 3-4 minutes to pour
less than half a
quart
>down the hose it drained so
slow.
>
>Anyone out there think that using a 'de-sludge' product
from Pep Boys might
>help my problem?
>
>
>
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Date:
Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:59:50 +1300
From: Kevin Clark <
Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 4WS Direction
> 2) Do our rear wheels turn the SAME or
OPPOSITE direction
> as the front wheels? I've heard
both.. and at what speed
> to they start turning, and
how much?
This information is from http://beam.to/GTO_Manual and
was
found on page 37B-5 in the Service Manual.
4-Wheel Steering System
Check
=============================
To check that the 4WS system is
functioning correctly:
1.Raise the vehicle so that all four
wheels may turn
freely.
2.Start the
engine, running the vehicle at an indicated
speed of
about 80km/h (50 mph).
3.Turn the steering wheel all the way to
the left and
right and turn it swiftly, checking to
ensure that the
rear wheels steer to the same
directions as the
front
wheels.
Please note that we are only talking about a
1.5 degree
shift in direction.
Cheers,
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'91 GTO-VR4
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Date:
Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:48:20 -0600
From: Matt Jannusch <
MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: New To List/Few Questions..
>Three weeks ago I purchased a
1993 3000GT VR-4. I knew it had a bad
>sycnrho in 3rd gear, so I gota
warentee and they are supposedly putting a
>new tranny in next week some
time under the GM warentee. (I HOPE! If they
>dont, I have a real
problem!) I have a few questions about the car.. as
>well as things i've
done to it and will do in the future.
I wouldn't count on them replacing
the tranny for you. Since you just got the warranty, they are probably
going to call it a pre-existing condition -- and be correct. Good
luck.
>3) Could I get two used 13g turbos off an old automatic Eclipse
and use
>those? would they bolt on? If so, why wouldnt a 14b bolt on? Are
the
>Eclipse 13g's different from the upgraded ones you'd get at Extreme
for
>instance?
Nope. Eclipse turbos all have the inlet on
the same side, and aren't
available with the exhaust side reversed (to the
best of my knowlege).
An Eclipse turbo would probably bolt onto the front
side of the motor,
but the back side will be very problematic. I don't
think the auto
Eclipse turbo was a 13G, either. I think it was a 12b or
something
like that.
>4) I added a Blitz Dual TUrbo Timer about 2
weeks ago, and i've noticed
>that when I put it in gear and floor it, max
boost is about .4-.42 BAR. It
>only hits .5-.55 BAR when i SHIFT.. Whats
going on? this seems trange..
>Could the wastegate be broken or something?
Maybe this has to do with my
>1st question.. Maybe I have a loose hose
somewhere.
Did you hook up the vacuum hose to the blowoff valve
properly? If not,
that can be a major source of lost
boost.
>8) What QUIET exhaust would you guys recomend? I'm thinking
the HKS dual
>tip exhaust. The borla would be nice, but its SOO
LOUD!
Stock is the best way to go if you want quiet. All the
aftermarket ones
I've heard have a lot more rumble than the stock does.
I have the Borla,
and it isn't that bad. It is a low rumble though, so
at least it isn't
like those damn "bumblebee" Honda exhausts.
Ugh.
>9) How much horsepower can stock 9b turbos hold? What would you
guys
>recomend for a streetable car? 15g's?
400HP is within reason
on 9b's. Much beyond that is really pushing it
on those little
turbos. I asked the same question a few weeks ago and
the consensus
seemed to be to not waste the money on the 13G's, and
just go straight to the
15G's, which is what I'm doing.
>THanks, those are all of the
questions i've been thinking about this
>morning.. i'm sure I'll have more
later :)
Take a look through the Archives before asking a whole lot
more
questions. You'll likely find answers there to many of
them.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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