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Team3S Digest        Thursday, October 14 1999        Volume 01 : Number 308

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:10:35 -0400
From: "Accelerated Accessories" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need Burnt ECU

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Matt
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:02:45 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Pictures of Carbon fiber hood and body panel fitments.

http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/99bodypanels.htm
New Page 2

This is a quick fitment before the car goes to the body shop for paintwork.

Brad
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:57:49 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!

> 3) We also plugged up (one at time) the hoses that lead to the y-pipe; we
> also    pressure tested the hoses that lead to the intercoolers; everything
> checked out     healthy/fine! No leaks were found and the clamps were all
> tight!!

Ok, there is only one hose that goes into the y-pipe :-) Pulling the hoses from
the ellbow and capping off the nipple will keep the wastegates closed..... if
the WG actuators spring are still strong enough.

> 5) During my initial post re: this problem I mentioned that we tested my
> Apex'i Sequential blow off valve with a Mighty VAC; and that checked out
> okay/fine as    well; but I will try my stock blow off valve sometime soon.

Yes, it works but I's say it is probably open too early and causes the air to
blow out even at low boost. As the BOVs work with the pressure differential
between the y-pipe and the intake plenum the feeder line may be a problem.

> So everything mechanical checked out okay!!?? Which leads me to believe, "do
> I have an electrical/ECU problem????"   Any thoughts from you guys?????

No, I doubt this, although the ECU may be in the emergency program. With this no
boost will be generated as the ignition and fuel maps are very low values and do
not create a lot of power. As my car was in this situation, I was not able to
create anything above atm ! Have you already tried to reset the ECU (I guess so)
or are you able to get the codes scanned ? Maybe you can borrow a TMO datalogger
(works on your year !) or maybe you already have one :-)

> 1) Check all Spark plugs (Current NGK's gapped at .032 about 7,000 miles
> old); I'm   wondering if my rear plugs are real fouled up or faulty??? Due
> to how rich (HKS    fuel pump and 550cc .injectors) I was running or due to
> possible worn valve     seals??????   IF I REPLACE with new NGK's spark plugs
> again; maybe I should   NOT re-gap to .032 and leave at     stock/factory
> gap??????

No, problems related to this causes stumble or hesitation but you will always
see boost !

> 2) Compression test

Good... maybe a lot carbon deposits on the intake valves that prevents them from
closing.

> 3) replace my Apex'i bov with stock bov. (worth a try)

Yes, yes !

> 4) Is there a setting on my new Apex'i Super AFC that may be the cause of
> this                                            problem??????????? ( I highly
> doubt it) But Roger, you mentioned before if I'm   running too rich????
> Can I just unplug the AFC? since there is no Power OFF.

No, I may misspelled somethign as again, this would cause a stumble or
hesitation but boost must be there in any way. You can simply reconnect the MAS
wire you spliced the AFC in but I doubt the problem is here. What are your A/F
readings. If they are rich and no sign of dangerous lean even around atm I doubt
that the problem is related to fuel.

> 5) Are my Magnecore 8.5 mm. KV85's defective????? (I'm just reaching for
> ideas!)

Again, hesitation would be what you'd feel.

> 6) don't know what else to check???????????????????

I think everything is narrowed down to the BOV and related to the lines and
hoses around it (simply said: a leak in the y-pipe) OR the ECU is in the
emergency mode. This mode is activated if too much knock is counted over a
specific time (repeated). If everything is back to good again, it heals itselfs
and comes back. Usually a Check Engine light comes up but I'd not bet on this as
I also runned in this mode without any light twice (note: before the rebuild...)
I for sure wish to see a datalog so maybe a DSM owner is in your area to help
you out.

Good luck and let us know about the stock BPV (easy test)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:05:10 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd" <FloydR@dvn.com>
Subject: Team3S: Mileage question

When I bought my 92 RT/TT I was getting around 30MPG. Everything was stock that I was aware of. My tranny died and I replaced it, my transfer case, and since it was in the shop anyway I put on a K&N FIPK, Accel Thundersport wires (I didn't know about Magnacores) Timing belt, water pump, tensioner, and plugs. I wanted NGK's but I needed to have my car back so I settled for Rapidfire plugs, and I had them gapped to .034. (cause I am getting ready to up the boost) Problem is that now I get 15MPG. I verified this today. 75 miles 5 gallons. My question is: do those plugs just suck, or do they suck and the gap need to be readjusted, or is my problem something else, I run 93 octane so with my 150 mile commute this is getting expensive quick. Any help??

Ryan

MCSE/ASE

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:24:07 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd" <FloydR@dvn.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage question

Guys I know 30Mpg sounds unbelieveable... but I verified it, however I was also shifting at 2 grand through all the gears, which I was told was bad on the oil pressure, now I shift around 2700 and the pressure is fine, but the mileage shouldn't drop by more than 10 just cause of 700 rpm. Okay so now I have a sub question... NGK or NGK platinum?? Does anyone have an Autozone or an O'Reilly Autoparts store near that they can actually verify the part numbers??? (I only ask cause the guys that work around here are idiots!) And also does this mean that I should get 18-25 with the plugs gapped down?? Or is that stock gap?

MCSE/ASE

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:11:34 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage question

Ryan...

Well, you must have a very light foot and keep the speed down to 55 mph to
get 30 mpg. I managed to get 21 mpg once (when my engine was stock). That
was on a 800 mile drive to San Francisco, with speeds up to 145 mph, and I
did try to keep it in sixth (painful). I rarely get out of third gear,
fourth is for speeds above 85 mph. Fifth and sixth have been used less than
ten times in the last two years. Just a difference in driving habits, but
then, mine is not a commuter car. Now, to answer your questions:

1. Yes, you should expect your gas mileage to drop with a tighter gap, but
15 mpg is a huge drop with all other variables remaining the same.
2. You should have NGK double platinums. The correct part number is: NGK
PFR6J-11
3. The stock gap is .044", a gap of .034" should work fine for 15 psi.

Pull one of the front ones, check the part number, check the gap. Some shops
are VERY sloppy.

BTW...I now average 11 - 12 mpg, around town, which is 90+% of the driving I
do. I tend to cruise at 4500 rpm so I can use the compression to slow me
down (saving my brakes). I love that range from 4000 rpm to 6000 rpm, can't
imagine not using it constantly.

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Floyd [mailto:FloydR@dvn.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:24 AM
To: jbasol@Carlson.com
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage question

Guys I know 30Mpg sounds unbelieveable... but I verified it, however I was
also shifting at 2 grand through all the gears, which I was told was bad on
the oil pressure, now I shift around 2700 and the pressure is fine, but the
mileage shouldn't drop by more than 10 just cause of 700 rpm. Okay so now I
have a sub question... NGK or NGK platinum?? Does anyone have an Autozone
or an O'Reilly Autoparts store near that they can actually verify the part
numbers??? (I only ask cause the guys that work around here are idiots!)
And also does this mean that I should get 18-25 with the plugs gapped down??
Or is that stock gap?

MCSE/ASE

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:56:34 -0500
From: "Benson \"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage question

Man Chris you REALLY like to stay in that 'zone' don't ya ;)p. You must be
like the stop-light king or something in yer area (not like that's a bad
thing mind ya ;)p.

I used to get around 21 - 24 mpg city, and could get close to 30 on the
high-way (doing speeds of around 80 - 100). But ever since I put on the
underdrive pulley I've been getting less now (but I think that's due to me
'testing' it out soo often ;)p. I think I'm getting close to 20 now, but
I'll find out after this current tank of gas.

Some interesting news for you non-turbo fans out there (like myself :), I've
been posting a few items on www.3000gt.com discussion group regarding what
I've found can be done to the non-turbo's, and a gentleman was telling me
about how there's a shop where he lives with a friend of his that is custom
making a down-pipe for him. I'm asking him to email me after he gets it and
puts it on to see what the quality of it's like. But if it's good, this is
good news for us non-turbo peoplez :).

Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:02:00 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Engine Braking; was: Mileage question

- -----Original Message-----From: Chris Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
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>do. I tend to cruise at 4500 rpm so I can use the compression to
slow me
>down (saving my brakes). I love that range from 4000 rpm to 6000
rpm, can't
>imagine not using it constantly.

Just an FYI... I run constantly at around 4000 rpm too, and always
use engine braking to slow down, but I'm using downshifting much
less than I used to. I saw a TV show about a year ago, with some
old racer talking about 'how to get the most out of your car', or
somesuch... He said that normal engine braking is fine for a car,
but if you downshift to slow down, you're adding stress on the
components. The recommendation was that you should be using the
brakes for 90% of the slowing process, and the lower gear should be
shifted AS you are reaching the desired speed-- anticipating
acceleration through a corner, for example.

That said, I admit that I still use (multiple) downshifting when I'm
out 'playing'-- I almost finished off my passenger Darcy's back
once, with whip shifts from 5th thru 2nd trying to follow a faster
AWD car into a diminishing radius off-ramp at about 100mph-- a car
driven by a guy named Winkley, I recall! :-) But for most stuff,
now I use just the brakes. The rationale, the guy said, is that
brakes are LOTS cheaper than transmissions. Can you spell
G-E-T-R-A-G? :-)

Best,

Forrest

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:22:19 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mileage question

Chris, cruising at 4500 ??? Wow, this is why my 15psi running car now puts
out 28 mpg as on the highway I'm cruising at 2800-3000. On the german
autobahn mileage is getting very bad with speeds around 150 and more. During
my ecessive testings the last weeks mileage went down to about 18mpg :-(

>1. Yes, you should expect your gas mileage to drop with a tighter gap, but
>15 mpg is a huge drop with all other variables remaining the same.

I fully agree ! Mileage drops a little with the small gap but not a lot.
Even more, the Splitfires or Rapidfires are not good on our cars. I got the
Rapidfires for the Camaro and they work very well. I then got them for the
3000 too and got hesitation a fuel smeeling, i.e. not well burnt fuel.

Later
Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:28:50 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Greddy Type S BOV or just simple BOV question

>When i bought my Greddy Type S bov from the dynamic turbo people, i asked
>about that, they told me that that second port is to use the valve as a
"pop
>off valve". i have no idea what this means.... please enlighten me =)

A pop-off valve is a valve that opens at a specific boost to prevent
overboosting. But I opened the Greddy BOV and checked the internals. But I
just cannot understand what this port does if it would be connected to the
boost source. Anyways, it works good with the port open :)

Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:19:24 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage question

Roger...

Are you still using the stock injectors? My driving style remained the same,
but my mileage dropped by roughly 25% (from 15-16 down to 11-12) when I
changed my injectors and fuel pump.

BTW...I imagine I'd get better mileage if I was cruising at any steady speed
(even the wonderful speeds you have on the autobahn) but most of my driving
is city driving. Start and stop, 0 to 60, 60 to 0, 0 to 100, OR even worse,
0 to 30, 30 to 10, 10 to 20 (commuter traffic). Probably the worst fuel
economy type of driving

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 2:22 PM
To: Stealth List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mileage question

Chris, cruising at 4500 ??? Wow, this is why my 15psi running car now puts
out 28 mpg as on the highway I'm cruising at 2800-3000. On the german
autobahn mileage is getting very bad with speeds around 150 and more. During
my ecessive testings the last weeks mileage went down to about 18mpg :-(
<snip>

Later
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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