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Team3S Digest         Sunday, October 3 1999         Volume 01 : Number 298




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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:55:47 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: ETS

Response from Barry, worth reading.

Based on previous roadracing experience, my experience says these figures
are fairly accurate.

Sustained running (more than several seconds) of an engine above 1650 F will
definitely take a toll on the engine.  Damage will range from accelerated
wear to immediate breakdown depending upon the condition of the engine.
Repeated running above the safe zone will definitely lead to premature
failure at some point in time.

For roadrace work where you need the engine to last 1350 F average is
probably more realistic.

Note that these temperatures assume no post chamber combustion.  It is not
unusual to see piston melting temperatures in the exhaust runners of bone
stock engines under certain circumstances.  Many ECUs will detect knock
under load (say on a long uphill grade in top gear) and retard the timing to
the max.  You may see 1700-1900 F in the exhaust runners when this condition
exists.  Although this MAY not mean imminent meltdown it does mean that the
engine is or has been stressing and not operating at peak efficiency, likely
due to inadequate fuel or cooling for the particular circumstance.


Barry
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:03:56 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ETS

Thanks Arty.

Just a clarification:  by "inadequate fuel" I mean grade of fuel (octane
rating) as opposed to amount of fuel, although the latter could cause
similar symptoms.  Insufficient amount fuel is can cause a lean burn
situation,  also causing unduly high temperatures, which is different than
part of the fuel charge burning in the exhaust system due to exaggerated
timing.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> Response from Barry, worth reading.
>


<snipped>

> exists.  Although this MAY not mean imminent meltdown it does
> mean that the
> engine is or has been stressing and not operating at peak
> efficiency, likely
> due to inadequate fuel or cooling for the particular circumstance.
>
>
> Barry

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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:01:41 -0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Team3S: transfer case info and pics

Update of my Getrag transfer case woes:

well, I think I might have one for the record books..  I'm sure many of you
have seen worse, but keep in mind that I drove my car to the shop with no
idea of how bad it really was..

http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt/

(I just made this page, so there's not much there..  click on the Getrag link)

my pics aren't quite as good as Mikaels, but I'll try to take some better
ones next week..

btw, a huge thank you to the people expressing concern for safety regarding
the possibility of a lock-up..  I think a probably only had a couple more
miles left before this was likely..  There was truly no warning other than
the whine..

for what it's worth, it seems like the 2nd gen transfer case may be the
same..  I didn't take the time to get the numbers from the bearings and
seals, but I wrote down the case part numbers if anyone wants to compare..

I couldn't find a number on the end that bolts to the transmission (there
are 3 sections to the case), but here are the middle and other end numbers:
446.0.0722.91 and 446.0.0710.90

unfortunately for me, this isn't going to be a simple bearing and seal
replacement, but it sure looks like Mikaels instructions would work for
anyone that doesn't have gear, case or spline damage..

that's all for now..

Dave
95 (waiting for an organ donor) VR4
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:02:59 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: transfer case info and pics

The 93.5 and on transfer cases are the same.  They are easily identified by
the cast iron case.  Earlier models had an aluminum case.  Also, the spline
counts vary.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----

<snip>

for what it's worth, it seems like the 2nd gen transfer case may be the
same..  I didn't take the time to get the numbers from the bearings and
seals, but I wrote down the case part numbers if anyone wants to compare..

I couldn't find a number on the end that bolts to the transmission (there
are 3 sections to the case), but here are the middle and other end numbers:
446.0.0722.91 and 446.0.0710.90

<snip>

Dave
95 (waiting for an organ donor) VR4

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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:59:35 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: EGT maximum limits - Agree/disagree

I'd have to agree with these numbers.

What if you throw in better valves, ceramic coated forged pistons, ceramic
coated combustion chamber, headers and turbos.

What about any thoughts to keep the EGT's down?   We know water injection.
But what about timing and fuel? These should also be considered at the
levels some of us are at.


Brad
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Subject: Team3S: EGT maximum limits - Agree/disagree

* EGT Temp Probe located in Rear Exhaust Manifold, prior to the turbo.
Add 150F degrees if probe is after the turbo. 250F if probe in
downpipe/collector.

Celsius to Fahrenheit conversion formula is as follows:
Multiply Celsius degrees by 9 and divide by 5, then add 32.

Stock motor & pistons
Celsius = Fahrenheit
 950     =  1742  PISTON MELT DOWN EMINENT ! (short 1-2 sec bursts)
 925     =  1700  Getting damn close
 900     =  1652  About the maximum limit - unless racing
 875     =  1607  or less No problems...

I'd consider anything over 875c degrees deadly for sustained highway speed.

These are the numbers I've been using. Any more current information
available?

Thanks
Arty 91 VR-4

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