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Team3S Digest      Wednesday, September 29 1999      Volume 01 : Number 295




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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:50:44 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

Kevin Clark wrote:
>
> The following is a reply from the local HKS Supplier here
> in New Zealand.  He suggests replacing the fuel pump when
> running anything above stock pressure, the claim is that
> the car runs lean on any boost (>5%) higher than stock.
>
> Any comments?  Is this true or can I really disregard it?

For what it's worth, My A/F gauge shows very rich until I get to
about 18psi, then comes down slightly.  At 19 psi it is showing an A/F ratio
closer to Stoich, but this is at maybe 5k RPM.  I can't hold these boost
levels for very long due to my tiny 9B turbo's, but I would imagine that at
the redline the fuel system can keep the mixture from leaning out up to
about 16.5-17psi.  Beyond that, I think it's going to start getting lean.

John Basol
'95 RT/TT
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:00:42 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

> For what it's worth, My A/F gauge shows very rich until I get to
> about 18psi, then comes down slightly.  At 19 psi it is
> showing an A/F ratio closer to Stoich, but this is at maybe
> 5k RPM.  I can't hold these boost levels for very long due
> to my tiny 9B turbo's, but I would imagine that at
> the redline the fuel system can keep the mixture from leaning
> out up to about 16.5-17psi.  Beyond that, I think it's going to
> start getting lean.

Stoich is too lean for a turbo motor when on the boost.  Do you have an EGT?
I'd imagine that the EGT's will be getting very high at 19 psi on the stock
fuel system.  Where do the pistons melt on these cars?  1800?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:56 -0500
From: Jeff A Williamson <Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: re: Suspension Question

One thing I haven't seen anybody mention yet (or maybe they did and I missed
it), was something that I hear from the shops every time I've had an alignment
done that didn't seem aligned. They always say "well, your tires have probably
worn a groove due to the previous mis-alignment. The only way to correct this
is to replace the tires".  I used to think this was just a way to get people to
buy new tires, until one day I did it. With fresh tires the pulling stopped and
the alignment was perfect. So, I don't know for sure, but maybe ther's some
validity to this.

As far as the shaking, sounds like they either missed a wheel, or you threw a
weight (if it wasn't already doing this before they got hold of it). I've had
this happen before, once as I was driving off the shop's lot!!!.

Just my $.02.

Jeff Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:26:33 -0700
From: vect0r0 <vect0r0@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1st West-Coast Gathering:  My comments=LONG

First off, I would like to congratulate and thank Nav for a job well
done!  The time and money that he put forth for planning and prizes is
very much appreciated.

So where do I start?  Ahhh.  Friday was fun!  Me and my cousin met up
with Dan and Amit around 8:30PM or so at Knuckles.  We had a couple of
beers, watched the Giants game, and  BS'd until Nav and others showed up
a couple of hours later (can anyone say cartwheels?? hehehe).  Next, a
trip to Denny's Restaurant for.......  A BEER?  It was just 1:00AM, I
had already eaten and ordered a beer.  Instead, out came an excuse for a
steak w/fries!!!! HEHEHE  I think 1/2 of the orders were wrong, 1/2 were
late, and well 1/2 or more was on the house...  What a laugh!  On the
way back to our hotels that night, Monica, Amit, and I were having some
fun on the highway when from out of nowhere a  CHP flew by.  Needless to
say, we were out of there and luckily nobody got into trouble.

Saturday was great!  I finally got to meet the rest of you all at the
park.  Courtney's (SP?) car is just immaculate!  What a beautiful
ride...  I've never even seen a 98-99 VR4 before let alone sitting in
Amits beauty.  Nice ride!  Kudos to Ben for making the trip on a bum
tras. Several awesome stereos were bumping all day (you should have seen
all the park-goers stare over all day!)  Saturday night was interesting
to say the least.  Some of us after dinner met up at the local K-Mart
hangout where we met up with about 15 or so racers, Hondas, Camaros,
etc.  Needless to say, the testosterone was high in the area and races
were to be evevitable.  To make a long story short, fights were avoided
and nobody got hurt (* but me and Amit would have rumbled for our fellow
list members but got out alive and unhurt *).  Story-stretching removed
(sorry), a disaster was avoided, and we made our way back for a Nightcap
and then off to bed.

Sunday:????  Where's my drink?  That day is close to a blur for me short
of me flashing the camera before I left HEHEHE.  All I can say is I
slept well for the trip home.

Thanks again to all who came and made the weekend of my life possible!
It took 2 days, but I'm now rested up.  Lets get the Vegas Trip planned
SOON!!!!!!!!!  Later all...
John Boyd '92 RT/TT


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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:31:39 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

Matt,
You're right, perhaps I should clarify that I was speaking strictly
of the A/F ratio.  To control temps I use water, but that is a different
topic.

John Basol
'95 RT/TT


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch [SMTP:MAJ@BigCharts.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 2:01 PM
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

> For what it's worth, My A/F gauge shows very rich until I
get to
> about 18psi, then comes down slightly.  At 19 psi it is
> showing an A/F ratio closer to Stoich, but this is at maybe
> 5k RPM.  I can't hold these boost levels for very long due
> to my tiny 9B turbo's, but I would imagine that at
> the redline the fuel system can keep the mixture from leaning
> out up to about 16.5-17psi.  Beyond that, I think it's going to
> start getting lean.

Stoich is too lean for a turbo motor when on the boost.  Do you have
an EGT?
I'd imagine that the EGT's will be getting very high at 19 psi on
the stock
fuel system.  Where do the pistons melt on these cars?  1800?

-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:44:48 EDT
From: Mitsukid99@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: 16" Tires up for sale

Dunlop SP Sport 4000 All Seasonals  300UTQG z-rated 225/55/ZR16's
Excellent, brand new, needing to sell to pay for that timing belt change..all 4 for only $300, that's $75 a piece.  E=mail me if interested.

Anthony
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:12:11 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: OT: We have Team3S Logo Hats and Tees!

OK, folks, they're here!  Check 'em out...

www.bobforrest.com/Team3S-Hats&Tees.htm




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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:50:44 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

Kevin Clark wrote:
>
> The following is a reply from the local HKS Supplier here
> in New Zealand.  He suggests replacing the fuel pump when
> running anything above stock pressure, the claim is that
> the car runs lean on any boost (>5%) higher than stock.
>
> Any comments?  Is this true or can I really disregard it?

For what it's worth, My A/F gauge shows very rich until I get to
about 18psi, then comes down slightly.  At 19 psi it is showing an A/F ratio
closer to Stoich, but this is at maybe 5k RPM.  I can't hold these boost
levels for very long due to my tiny 9B turbo's, but I would imagine that at
the redline the fuel system can keep the mixture from leaning out up to
about 16.5-17psi.  Beyond that, I think it's going to start getting lean.

John Basol
'95 RT/TT
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:31:39 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

Matt,
You're right, perhaps I should clarify that I was speaking strictly
of the A/F ratio.  To control temps I use water, but that is a different
topic.

John Basol
'95 RT/TT


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch [SMTP:MAJ@BigCharts.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 2:01 PM
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

> For what it's worth, My A/F gauge shows very rich until I
get to
> about 18psi, then comes down slightly.  At 19 psi it is
> showing an A/F ratio closer to Stoich, but this is at maybe
> 5k RPM.  I can't hold these boost levels for very long due
> to my tiny 9B turbo's, but I would imagine that at
> the redline the fuel system can keep the mixture from leaning
> out up to about 16.5-17psi.  Beyond that, I think it's going to
> start getting lean.

Stoich is too lean for a turbo motor when on the boost.  Do you have
an EGT?
I'd imagine that the EGT's will be getting very high at 19 psi on
the stock
fuel system.  Where do the pistons melt on these cars?  1800?

-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:08:27 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

Kevin Clark wrote:
>
> The following is a reply from the local HKS Supplier here
> in New Zealand.  He suggests replacing the fuel pump when
> running anything above stock pressure, the claim is that
> the car runs lean on any boost (>5%) higher than stock.
>
> Any comments?  Is this true or can I really disregard it?

While it is true that a fuel system upgrade (pump, injectors and
supporting electronics) is a good idea when running higher boost
pressures than stock, I have to disagree with the statement that the car
runs lean at 15psi with the stock system.  During our February dyno
testing, my SAVC-R was set to 1.00 bar (roughly 15 psi) and the AFR
monitor never showed a lean condition.  The IDC was pegged, which may
result in shortened injector life, but lean?  Nope!

Now if you want to crank it up higher, then you gotta pay to play!

BTW, I've been running 1.00 bar with the stock fuel system for 25k miles
now, no sign of any problem whatsoever.

- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
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Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:00:42 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@bigcharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Will the stock fuel pump handle 15psi ?

> For what it's worth, My A/F gauge shows very rich until I get to
> about 18psi, then comes down slightly.  At 19 psi it is
> showing an A/F ratio closer to Stoich, but this is at maybe
> 5k RPM.  I can't hold these boost levels for very long due
> to my tiny 9B turbo's, but I would imagine that at
> the redline the fuel system can keep the mixture from leaning
> out up to about 16.5-17psi.  Beyond that, I think it's going to
> start getting lean.

Stoich is too lean for a turbo motor when on the boost.  Do you have an EGT?
I'd imagine that the EGT's will be getting very high at 19 psi on the stock
fuel system.  Where do the pistons melt on these cars?  1800?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:26:33 -0700
From: vect0r0 <vect0r0@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1st West-Coast Gathering:  My comments=LONG

First off, I would like to congratulate and thank Nav for a job well
done!  The time and money that he put forth for planning and prizes is
very much appreciated.

So where do I start?  Ahhh.  Friday was fun!  Me and my cousin met up
with Dan and Amit around 8:30PM or so at Knuckles.  We had a couple of
beers, watched the Giants game, and  BS'd until Nav and others showed up
a couple of hours later (can anyone say cartwheels?? hehehe).  Next, a
trip to Denny's Restaurant for.......  A BEER?  It was just 1:00AM, I
had already eaten and ordered a beer.  Instead, out came an excuse for a
steak w/fries!!!! HEHEHE  I think 1/2 of the orders were wrong, 1/2 were
late, and well 1/2 or more was on the house...  What a laugh!  On the
way back to our hotels that night, Monica, Amit, and I were having some
fun on the highway when from out of nowhere a  CHP flew by.  Needless to
say, we were out of there and luckily nobody got into trouble.

Saturday was great!  I finally got to meet the rest of you all at the
park.  Courtney's (SP?) car is just immaculate!  What a beautiful
ride...  I've never even seen a 98-99 VR4 before let alone sitting in
Amits beauty.  Nice ride!  Kudos to Ben for making the trip on a bum
tras. Several awesome stereos were bumping all day (you should have seen
all the park-goers stare over all day!)  Saturday night was interesting
to say the least.  Some of us after dinner met up at the local K-Mart
hangout where we met up with about 15 or so racers, Hondas, Camaros,
etc.  Needless to say, the testosterone was high in the area and races
were to be evevitable.  To make a long story short, fights were avoided
and nobody got hurt (* but me and Amit would have rumbled for our fellow
list members but got out alive and unhurt *).  Story-stretching removed
(sorry), a disaster was avoided, and we made our way back for a Nightcap
and then off to bed.

Sunday:????  Where's my drink?  That day is close to a blur for me short
of me flashing the camera before I left HEHEHE.  All I can say is I
slept well for the trip home.

Thanks again to all who came and made the weekend of my life possible!
It took 2 days, but I'm now rested up.  Lets get the Vegas Trip planned
SOON!!!!!!!!!  Later all...
John Boyd '92 RT/TT


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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:56 -0500
From: Jeff A Williamson <Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: re: Suspension Question

One thing I haven't seen anybody mention yet (or maybe they did and I missed
it), was something that I hear from the shops every time I've had an alignment
done that didn't seem aligned. They always say "well, your tires have probably
worn a groove due to the previous mis-alignment. The only way to correct this
is to replace the tires".  I used to think this was just a way to get people to
buy new tires, until one day I did it. With fresh tires the pulling stopped and
the alignment was perfect. So, I don't know for sure, but maybe ther's some
validity to this.

As far as the shaking, sounds like they either missed a wheel, or you threw a
weight (if it wasn't already doing this before they got hold of it). I've had
this happen before, once as I was driving off the shop's lot!!!.

Just my $.02.

Jeff Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:49:38 -0500
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: You wouldn't belive it if even you saw it.

OK Admins...prepare to verbally flog me.  This isn't technical.

I had to share this with somebody and I didn't want to post it to
starnet for fear that it might actually have been one of them.

I was out on a news live shot(I work for the FOX affil. here in St.
Louis)today and I saw a second gen. 3000 that had been painted.....are
you ready for this?

BLAZE ORANGE!!!!!!

I'm talking, the color hunters wear so they don't get shot by their
father-uh-I-mean-brother billy-bob a-hidin'-in-the-bushes waitin' fer a
squirrel.

It was the most abhorrent thing I have ever seen(ok MAYBE a close
second, only to the 70's era camaro that somebody had put about a two
foot lift kit on and turned into a 4WD vehicle)....you gotta love
midwesterners!

SACRILIGE!

Sorry...thought you guys would get a kick.....

OK, OK.....Wait....here.....I'll make it a technical post.  What kind of
wax would you guys use on a blaze orange paintjob so that it doesn't
oxidize while sitting in your front yard up on cinder blocks?

- --
- -Jeff Crabtree
    '91 Stealth R/T TT(3/SI #499)
          '93 Wrangler 4.0L Sport
               St. Louis, MO


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