--
From: owner-stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
(Team3S Digest)
To: stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S Digest V1 #290
Reply-To: stealth-3000gt
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
Errors-To:
owner-stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Team3S Digest Thursday,
September 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number
290
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:15:58 -600
From: syzygy@webzone.net
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Test Drive Problems
Jim,
My old stealth started smoking after a
bad oil change... it didn't overheat,
but I found out that the 3rd and 5th
cylinders were at 50% compression. Repair
cost from the dealership was 6k (I
think).
So, if this guys says he will pay for all repairs, take it to a shop
you trust.
Have them look it over and give you a list of problems... have the
seller repair
the vehicle to your specs, at a shop you trust ... THEN buy it.
If you are buying a 92 my guess is it's not under warantee so you will
be up
a creek if you don't get it in VERY good condition before purchasing.
As we
all know, repair work on our cars is expensive and its hard to find a
shop that
knows what its doing. Make sure he's got the paperwork that he's
done the 60k
maintenance work and any other regular maintenance on the
car.
I'd say if you really love the car just remember there are plenty of
them available
to buy and you may want to wait for one that is in good
mechanical condition.
A Mitsu dealership here in Tulsa usually has 2 - 3
VR-4s on the lot every day
of the week.
I was shoping for my VR-4 for
about a month before I got this one. I bought
it with very low miles,
excellent mechanical condition, extended warantee, and
was able to knock 6k
off the price for slight hail damage. Its worth shoping
around to get the
right one...
Good luck and let us know what you get!
Nissa
95
VR-4 with "Speed Dimples"
Don't mess in the affairs of dragons.
For you
are crunchy and go good with ketchup.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:16:45 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Knock knock..
If I remember right (I think Jack T. can provide
the specifics), the Supras
have one hell of a nice fuel pump. I would
imagine that they come with a
pretty nice set of injectors as well.
Well, if you can inject more fuel,
you can get away with higher boost before
the onset of detonation. The
Supra may have characteristically lower
charge air temps then the 3S as
well. I have never see the underhood of
a Supra to see if they can breath
cold air better than we can, but so far
I've never seen anything as cramped
as a 3S. :-)
John Basol
'95 RT/TT
-----Original Message-----
From:
Mikael Åkesson [SMTP:vr4@bahnhof.se]
Sent: Wednesday,
September 22, 1999 7:41 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Knock knock..
Hi
Why do our engines knock? I know what
knock is but I really want to
know
what Mitsu missed when they built the
engine. The Supra guys doesn't
report
any knock at all but every 3S seams
to knock as hell even at "low"
boosts
(15psi). Is there something we can
do inside the engine to prevent
knock?
I know that bigger intercoolers
and water injection will take the
knock away
but thats not what I'm
looking for.
Can someone please clear the mist?
/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:30:34 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Differential plug size
I was digging through the manual last
night to see what size the drain and
fill plugs are on the diff.
Counldn't find it. The biggest size I have is
21mm and that is too
small. I'm thinking it is a 23mm, but can someone else
enlighten
me.
Thanks,
Curt
95 R/T
TT
______________________________________________________
Get Your
Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:19:34 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Supra Pump
The latest gen Supra pump is a very good one. It may or
may not be
exactly as good as the Cosmo pump that HKS sells as upgrade
for
3000 VR4; but a DSM guy tested Supra pump through the whole
DSM fuel
system (lines, rails etc) and got 240 liters/hr at 65 psi.
HKS is rated 290
l/h but that is not through the fuel lines etc, and
probably is at 45 psi not
65. At $184 plus ship from Toyotaparts.com,
it also costs less than
half what the HKS costs...
Supras come with 550cc injectors stock (ours
are 360).
Last weekend I installed an HKS twin ballbearing turbo upgrade on
my
friend's 94 Supra, really neat setup...
As to detonation, I don't
really know whether Supra people have
interrogation ability including "knock
sum" such as we have with
the Todd Day system, so maybe they just don't know
exactly when
knock starts. I have never HEARD my engine knock but it
sure has!
Jack Tertadian
"Basol, John" wrote:
> Jack T.
can provide specifics; Supras have nice fuel pump.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:12:11 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S:
Again : Dyno day .. results .. and more
Short story : I'm dissapointed,
bored to tears, broken heart, bad mood,
etc.... Live hurts !
I went to
the dyno with my Supra TT buddy today with the aim to test the
following
:
1. B&M New Volt Ignition amplifier
2. Water injection
tuning
3. fuel trimming (leaning it out) with the AFC
4. Comparision of
exhaust (stock today)
1.1. Test-run with Amp, no WI.
Pressure
was the same 1.05 kg/cm2 as it was at the February dyno but of
course the
ambient temperature was higher. Therefore I expected lower
readings for sure.
Plugs were down to 0.032 compared to 0.034 the last time.
- - Car pulled
strong, no hesitation, no misfires.
- - Knock started at 5625 and timing got
retarded from 5830 on
- - Knock sum got critical above 25 and timing got
retarded by 6°.
This behaviour is logged and visible on the dyno graph
! You can see a
nice valley where the timing got retarded :-(
- - Intake
temp climbed up to 161°F (yes, really !)
- - New Volt did nothing
else
1.2. Later run without Amp, no WI.
Everything was the same
although I got the annoying hesitation we all know
when the plugs are not
regapped. My plugs are but under this heavy load it
was very noticeable.
Therefore I can say the B&M New Volt ignition amplifier
does help but
only a little :-(
2.1 Switched WI on and immediatly got the warning
light. I found out the
front nozzle was broken due to my own stupidness. I
checked everything
yesterday and killed the small thread in the pipe. Also
the pump had no
water inside and the controller seemd not work properly.
During the run my
buddy checked and said it is working but we didn't knew how
much water was
sprayed. Of course not enough as the intake temeprature climed
again above
160°F ! The WI system didn't work like the days before and I was
not able to
do any more test on this issue ! Damn dissapointing to me (and
waste of
money for sure !) Of course, my mistake :(
3.1 we played with
fuel settings (+/ 15% are possible with the older S-AFC)
The mixture was
really rich and increasing fuel above 5500 didn't help
anything to get rid of
knock. Leaning it out started to lower the O2 sensor
readings but we haven't
seen any gain due to this. Again, another waste of
money.
Side-Note :
My Supra buddy has a Field fuel controller installed and started
to tune it
in for a leaner condition. But the car corrected the setting even
at WOT
(huuu ?) It is supposed to be in open loop but how the heck does
it
compensate. They got 5 hp by running it a little leaner and after
ten
seconds the thing went back to rich and the hp were gone !
4.1 You
remember the dyno runs from Mike, Jim and me in Feb 99 ? You have to
because
I had the ATR DP and test-pipe together with the Borla cat-back
mounted this
time. Jim, the only one of the three cars had a totally stock
exhaust and
finally got the highest hp reading and a good torque in the
lower band. Mine
had an interesting torque curve in the miodrange but
finally the highest
reading due to the 13G.
I went to the dyno with the complete stock
exhaust. The figures speak for
themselfes : The torque reading was 70Nm less
with the stock exhaust but the
same top end hp ! Hmm, I'm pretty sure
this is due to the stock main cat
but surprised me a lot. We always thought
of an aftermarket exhaust steals
torque away and gives some top end but it
doesn't. I guess, I'll remount the
dp with high flow cat for the next test !
Of course the higher ambient
temperature and the warm "cooling" wind of the
fan make the readings
questionable although the curves are looking very close
to each other. And
if we say that the high temp causes power loss, this would
mean that the
stock exhaust makes more power than an aftermarket. Well the
result form
Jims car exactly tells this story !
Some notes from the
dyno session :
- - the hesitation of the ignition is not visible on the
datalogs (too fast,
nothing the ECU can see !)
- - oil temp was 10°C lower
with 10W-60 compared to 0W-40 in February
- - power loss from the AWD drive
train was between 31-35% and I tell you the
thing got damn hot under the car
!!
- - yes, I had summer tires on the car ;-)
All in all I'm
dissapointed with the results of these $150 runs and I'm very
angry about
myselfs about the WI problem. I still cannot say why it didn't
worked and I
have to do a lot of investigation. The test with the stock
exhaust showed
that the larger diameters really help. Now we have to find
out if the dp and
HF cat helps.
Regards to everyone,
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:54:58 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Supra Pump
Are any modifications (fuel level, gaskets, etc.)
required to install a Supra
fuel pump in a 3S, or is it a direct
bolt-in?
xwing wrote:
>
> The latest gen Supra pump is a
very good one. It may or may not be
> exactly as good as the Cosmo
pump that HKS sells as upgrade for
> 3000 VR4; but a DSM guy tested Supra
pump through the whole
> DSM fuel system (lines, rails etc) and got 240
liters/hr at 65 psi.
> HKS is rated 290 l/h but that is not through the
fuel lines etc, and
> probably is at 45 psi not 65. At $184 plus
ship from Toyotaparts.com,
> it also costs less than half what the HKS
costs...
snip
- --
Drive faster, it is later than you
think!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:56:22 -0700
From: "Dr. John A. Tabler" <jtabler@summitmicro.com>
Subject:
Team3S: timing belt work in San Jose
Is about $1000 reasonable for
replacing the following:
timing belt
tensioner
water pump
w.p.
pulley
ac and alt belts and pulleys
?
Also, has anyone had any
experience with the CAA 'car care plus' shop in
San Jose? They come
highly recommended, but I did not see any high
performance cars
there.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:01:18 -0700
From: "3000gtvr4" <gtovr4@postalzone.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
Hello Jack and all,
Errin
mentioned to me earlier on about the Walbro fuel pump (which might be
getting
soon) and I decided to check around about it. I posted a message on
the
starnet list about whether anyone knew about the Walbro pump, but got
no
response. Nevertheless, I managed to find a place called
turbochargers.com,
(their ad is also in Turbo Mag) and emailed them regarding
the Walbro pump.
This is what he said:
"The 15G's youre interested in
are $925 each, We can give you a credit of
$50 per 9b core you send in,
however none of the 9b parts are used in the
15g turbos. The 15g's are
built 100% new. 550cc injectors should be
sufficient for all but the most
obscene power levels on your engine. The
90gph HKS pump is a good
choice, as is the 255lph walbro. Shipping would be
about $20, Im
shooting from the hip on that."
Just thought I'd share this info. My
question is then should I just go for
the Walbro pump or stick with
purchasing the Supra pump?
Thanks all
Julian Ng
94 VR4 Pearl
White
Matteson Media Group
C89.5 FM KNHC, Seattle
gtovr4@postalzone.com
-
-----Original Message-----
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
To: Sirius 3000GT
Mail List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:25 AM
Subject: Team3S: Supra
Pump
>The latest gen Supra pump is a very good one. It may
or may not be
>exactly as good as the Cosmo pump that HKS sells as upgrade
for
>3000 VR4; but a DSM guy tested Supra pump through the
whole
>DSM fuel system (lines, rails etc) and got 240 liters/hr at 65
psi.
>HKS is rated 290 l/h but that is not through the fuel lines etc,
and
>probably is at 45 psi not 65. At $184 plus ship from
Toyotaparts.com,
>it also costs less than half what the HKS
costs...
>
>Supras come with 550cc injectors stock (ours are
360).
>Last weekend I installed an HKS twin ballbearing turbo upgrade on
my
>friend's 94 Supra, really neat setup...
>As to detonation, I
don't really know whether Supra people have
>interrogation ability
including "knock sum" such as we have with
>the Todd Day system, so maybe
they just don't know exactly when
>knock starts. I have never HEARD
my engine knock but it sure has!
>
>Jack
Tertadian
>
>"Basol, John" wrote:
>
>> Jack T. can
provide specifics; Supras have nice fuel pump.
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:14:08 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
> The 90gph HKS pump is a good choice,
as is the 255lph walbro.
> Shipping would be about $20, Im shooting
from the hip on that."
> Just thought I'd share this info. My question
is then should
> I just go for the Walbro pump or stick with purchasing
the
> Supra pump?
I used a Walbro pump in my previous car (a '93
Eclipse GSX - 13.356@100)
with good results. It flows plenty of fuel
(if I ran a hose from the tank
return line of the fuel pressure regulator, it
would spray fuel pretty hard
out the line - fill a 5 gallon gas can in about
1.5 minutes), but it was
pretty loud. You can hear it whine at
stoplights pretty easily, both inside
and outside of the car. If that
doesn't bother you (or you crank tunes to
drown out the sound), I'd recommend
it. I got used to it after a while, but
it is somewhat annoying.
I don't know if the 3K version is any different
than the DSM type I had or
not. I paid $90 through a group purchase by Tom
Stangl of Club DSM for
the DSM pump. He can probably get the same pump that
Turbochargers.com
is selling, maybe for less.
http://www.vfaq.com/pump-Walbros.html
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:18:04 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Cone filter test results
Julian...
Good to see you
posting!!! I don't know about other listmembers but, as a
HKS Super Flow
owner (it has a double bell instead of the one shown in the
picture), I would
very much like to know how their ratings were done, and
specific details that
are probably in the Japanese text. For example:
1. Which filters produce
the most hp gain?
2. Which flow the most air (should come up in the same
order as #1)?
3. What size particulate matter are they spraying into the
filter?
4. Under what conditions?
When I look at the pictures, the
amount of dirt on the paper seems to be
MUCH more than I've seen accumulated
in the dirtiest of filters in my nearly
thirty years of driving. There will
always be some trade off between
"perfectly clean" air and air flow. I'd like
to know how they performed the
test, so I can decide if I'm taking
unacceptable risks with my engine.
THANKS!!!
Looking
forward...Chris
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC
15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel
pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom
intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double
platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs, Michelin SX
MXX3 Pilots)
- -----Original Message-----
From: 3000gtvr4 [mailto:gtovr4@postalzone.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:41 PM
To: Chris Winkley; 'R.G.'
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Cone filter test results
Hi Chris and all,
I can ask
my fiance to translate the stuff as she is Japanese, however, do u
want her
to translate like all the filter results? =) Just use the Blitz
cone filter,
I like it. Nevertheless, if u all insist, I will try to get it
translated
asap. =))
Later
Julian Ng
94 VR4 Pearl White
Matteson Media
Group
C89.5 FM KNHC, Seattle
gtovr4@postalzone.com
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To:
'R.G.' <robby@freesurf.ch>
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Tuesday, September 21, 1999 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cone filter test
results
>Roger...
>
>Can you translate from Japanese?
Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
>the filters...air flow, passing
what size particulate matter, easy of
>cleaning? It's hard to tell from
the pictures, and the graphs look very
>close.
>
>Looking
forward...Chris
<snipped the old stuff>
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:17:43 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
As Matt mentioned, some people say that
the pump is loud. But we also know
that the TT cars do have a fuel pump relay
that keeps the pump running
slower (around 8V) until you step onto the gas.
The Walbro pump costs $115
at this page :
http://members.home.com/syclone/APE/fuelpump.html#application
I
got a brown-cap Denso pump and I was told this is an upgrade to the
Supras
and flows the same as the HKS. Indeed it seems to be the Denso pump
HKS puts
its sticker on.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
>> The
90gph HKS pump is a good choice, as is the 255lph walbro.
>> Shipping
would be about $20, Im shooting from the hip on that."
>
>> Just
thought I'd share this info. My question is then should
>> I just go
for the Walbro pump or stick with purchasing the
>> Supra
pump?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:58:41 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
Stick with the Supra
pump. The Walbro pump wines and makes a lot
of
noise.
If you don't mind the noise, it saves you a few
dollars. The Supra (ND)
pump is of much better quality
though.
Brad
Check out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of 3000gtvr4
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:01 PM
To: xwing@execpc.com; Sirius 3000GT Mail
List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
Hello Jack and
all,
Errin mentioned to me earlier on about the Walbro fuel pump (which
might be
getting soon) and I decided to check around about it. I posted a
message on
the starnet list about whether anyone knew about the Walbro pump,
but got no
response. Nevertheless, I managed to find a place called
turbochargers.com,
(their ad is also in Turbo Mag) and emailed them regarding
the Walbro pump.
This is what he said:
"The 15G's youre interested in
are $925 each, We can give you a credit of
$50 per 9b core you send in,
however none of the 9b parts are used in the
15g turbos. The 15g's are
built 100% new. 550cc injectors should be
sufficient for all but the most
obscene power levels on your engine. The
90gph HKS pump is a good
choice, as is the 255lph walbro. Shipping would be
about $20, Im
shooting from the hip on that."
Just thought I'd share this info. My
question is then should I just go for
the Walbro pump or stick with
purchasing the Supra pump?
Thanks all
Julian Ng
94 VR4 Pearl
White
Matteson Media Group
C89.5 FM KNHC, Seattle
gtovr4@postalzone.com
-
-----Original Message-----
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
To: Sirius 3000GT
Mail List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:25 AM
Subject: Team3S: Supra
Pump
>The latest gen Supra pump is a very good one. It may
or may not be
>exactly as good as the Cosmo pump that HKS sells as upgrade
for
>3000 VR4; but a DSM guy tested Supra pump through the
whole
>DSM fuel system (lines, rails etc) and got 240 liters/hr at 65
psi.
>HKS is rated 290 l/h but that is not through the fuel lines etc,
and
>probably is at 45 psi not 65. At $184 plus ship from
Toyotaparts.com,
>it also costs less than half what the HKS
costs...
>
>Supras come with 550cc injectors stock (ours are
360).
>Last weekend I installed an HKS twin ballbearing turbo upgrade on
my
>friend's 94 Supra, really neat setup...
>As to detonation, I
don't really know whether Supra people have
>interrogation ability
including "knock sum" such as we have with
>the Todd Day system, so maybe
they just don't know exactly when
>knock starts. I have never HEARD
my engine knock but it sure has!
>
>Jack
Tertadian
>
>"Basol, John" wrote:
>
>> Jack T. can
provide specifics; Supras have nice fuel pump.
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:14:39 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Cone filter test results
> 1. Which filters produce the most
hp gain?
This is additionally written in english on the upper part of the
pics :-)
> 2. Which flow the most air (should come up in the same
order as #1)?
They just don't know.
> 3. What size particulate
matter are they spraying into the filter?
Good one !
> 4. Under
what conditions?
Just with a carpet cleaner, hehe :) They sucked in the
particles on a given
distance over a specific period and then removed the
filter out of the carpet
cleaner.
> test, so I can decide if I'm
taking unacceptable risks with my engine.
No, I don't think that the risk
is soo high. Just check the MAS honecombs and
you'll see that they are
covered with a film of dust. I'm more concerned with
the SUS of my new
application as you can really see through the thing
:-/
Later,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:28:29 -0700
From: "3000gtvr4" <gtovr4@postalzone.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
Thank You Brad and everyone who have
shared their ideas about the fuel pump.
I am now in a state of utter
confusion !!! hehehe! When u guys say whining
noise, does it sound cool like
the sound of the turbo spooling or is it just
plain
irritating.
According to Matt, it sounds really annoying man...have to
think a bit
here....I take it that the Supra pump fits the 3000 without any
problem? (At
least that's the info I have been getting)
Oh yeah, and
thanks R.G. for the Walbro pump price lede; it's very helpful.
Only thing now
is to decide about whether I want to buy the noisy pump or
the quiet pump
=))
Thanks again everyone!!!
Julian Ng
94 Slam Pearl White VR4
with Bomex front lip and soon to get Veilside EC III
body kit!
Yippee!
Matteson Media Group
C89.5 FM KNHC, Seattle
gtovr4@postalzone.com
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To: Sirius
3000GT Mail List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro
Pump
>Stick with the Supra pump. The Walbro pump
wines and makes a lot of
>noise.
>
>If you don't mind the
noise, it saves you a few dollars. The Supra (ND)
>pump is of much
better quality though.
>
>
>Brad
>Check out my home
page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
>
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of 3000gtvr4
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:01
PM
>To: xwing@execpc.com; Sirius
3000GT Mail List
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro
Pump
>
>Hello Jack and all,
>
>Errin mentioned to me
earlier on about the Walbro fuel pump (which might be
>getting soon) and I
decided to check around about it. I posted a message on
>the starnet list
about whether anyone knew about the Walbro pump, but got
no
>response.
Nevertheless, I managed to find a place called turbochargers.com,
>(their
ad is also in Turbo Mag) and emailed them regarding the Walbro pump.
>This
is what he said:
>
>"The 15G's youre interested in are $925 each, We
can give you a credit of
>$50 per 9b core you send in, however none of the
9b parts are used in the
>15g turbos. The 15g's are built 100% new.
550cc injectors should be
>sufficient for all but the most obscene power
levels on your engine. The
>90gph HKS pump is a good choice, as is
the 255lph walbro. Shipping would
be
>about $20, Im shooting from
the hip on that."
>
>Just thought I'd share this info. My question
is then should I just go for
>the Walbro pump or stick with purchasing the
Supra pump?
>
>Thanks all
>
>Julian Ng
>94 VR4
Pearl White
>Matteson Media Group
>C89.5 FM KNHC, Seattle
>gtovr4@postalzone.com
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
>To: Sirius 3000GT
Mail List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Date:
Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:25 AM
>Subject: Team3S: Supra
Pump
>
>
>>The latest gen Supra pump is a very good
one. It may or may not be
>>exactly as good as the Cosmo pump
that HKS sells as upgrade for
>>3000 VR4; but a DSM guy tested Supra
pump through the whole
>>DSM fuel system (lines, rails etc) and got 240
liters/hr at 65 psi.
>>HKS is rated 290 l/h but that is not through the
fuel lines etc, and
>>probably is at 45 psi not 65. At $184 plus
ship from Toyotaparts.com,
>>it also costs less than half what the HKS
costs...
>>
>>Supras come with 550cc injectors stock (ours are
360).
>>Last weekend I installed an HKS twin ballbearing turbo upgrade
on my
>>friend's 94 Supra, really neat setup...
>>As to
detonation, I don't really know whether Supra people
have
>>interrogation ability including "knock sum" such as we have
with
>>the Todd Day system, so maybe they just don't know exactly
when
>>knock starts. I have never HEARD my engine knock but it
sure has!
>>
>>Jack Tertadian
>>
>>"Basol,
John" wrote:
>>
>>> Jack T. can provide specifics;
Supras have nice fuel pump.
>>
>>For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>>
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:43:29 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
Julian...
I believe they're
referring to the whine of the fuel pump. Some electric's
are very noisy. I
have a friend with a huge Holley fuel pump on a dual quad
502 cubic inch
Crate engine and it sounds like a turbine spooling all by
itself (not a
turbocharged engine). I actually like it, but I wouldn't want
to hear it on a
daily driver. The Mazda pump I have (HKS) is as quiet as the
stock unit,
requires no mods, and delivers twice the amount. More than
enough for 560
injectors, probably fine for 720s.
Looking forward...Chris
-
-----Original Message-----
From: 3000gtvr4 [mailto:gtovr4@postalzone.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:28 PM
To: Brad Bedell; Sirius 3000GT Mail
List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
Thank You Brad
and everyone who have shared their ideas about the fuel pump.
I am now in a
state of utter confusion !!! hehehe! When u guys say whining
noise, does it
sound cool like the sound of the turbo spooling or is it just
plain
irritating.
According to Matt, it sounds really annoying man...have to
think a bit
here....I take it that the Supra pump fits the 3000 without any
problem? (At
least that's the info I have been getting)
Oh yeah, and
thanks R.G. for the Walbro pump price lede; it's very helpful.
Only thing now
is to decide about whether I want to buy the noisy pump or
the quiet pump
=))
Thanks again everyone!!!
Julian Ng
94 Slam Pearl White VR4
with Bomex front lip and soon to get Veilside EC III
body kit!
Yippee!
Matteson Media Group
C89.5 FM KNHC, Seattle
gtovr4@postalzone.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:29:43 -0600
From: "CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Starnet List
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
-
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF0530.D29AE980
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
Off topic apology in advance. Will anyone please
tell me how to sign up =
for the starnet list. I have the e-mail
address but not the home page.
Thanks, Cory
-
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF0530.D29AE980
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0
Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2014.210"
name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Zurich BT">Off topic
apology in advance. Will =
anyone=20
please tell me how to sign
up for the starnet list. I have the =
e-mail=20
address but not
the home
page.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,
Cory</DIV></BODY></HTML>
-
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF0530.D29AE980--
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:48:00 -600
From: syzygy@webzone.net
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
I am assuming the Supra Fuel pump everyone is
referring to is from a MKIV (93
- - 99) Twin Turbo supra? What modifications
are required to put one on a VR4?
Any differences for the different years of
3Si?
Regarding whines: tbe fuel pump installed on my husband's MKIII
supras has a
VERY loud whine. It is electronic and doesn't sound near as well
as a turbo
whine. I'll definately go with the quieter pump when I
upgrade.
Nissa
95 VR4
Don't mess in the affairs of dragons.
For
you are crunchy and go good with ketchup.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:18:00 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
No modifications are
needed.
Brad
Check out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of syzygy@webzone.net
Sent:
Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:48 PM
To: '3000gtvr4'
Cc: Sirius 3000GT
Mail List
Subject: RE: Team3S: Supra Pump/Walbro Pump
I am assuming
the Supra Fuel pump everyone is referring to is from a MKIV
(93
- - 99)
Twin Turbo supra? What modifications are required to put one on a VR4?
Any
differences for the different years of 3Si?
Regarding whines: tbe fuel
pump installed on my husband's MKIII supras has a
VERY loud whine. It is
electronic and doesn't sound near as well as a turbo
whine. I'll definately
go with the quieter pump when I upgrade.
Nissa
95 VR4
Don't mess in
the affairs of dragons.
For you are crunchy and go good with ketchup.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:49:06 -0400
From: "Carlos Q" <pir8ska@shadow.net>
Subject: Team3S:
I've got an "aircharger" filter that I need to unload...
I have a K&N
Aircharger intake kit installed on my VR-4... my problem is
that i will be
installing a Blitz DS Boost controller and the Aircharger's
Filter Cone is
TOO BIG. it leaves little to no room for me to install the
hoses/ other
components I need in that area between the top of the cone and
the enginebay.
I was wondering if anyone out there that has a K&N FIPK on
their car
would like to trade thier cone filter for my cone filter (not the
brackets
and such... i just need the cone). The Air charger cone is about
twice
the size of the FIPK cone....
Thanks alot,
Carlos
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:43:22 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: I've got an "aircharger" filter that I need to unload...
You
don't need to install the DSBC solenoid box there as the distance is
somewhat
far. You can place the box in between the y-pipe and the rear turbo
intake.
Mine sits now at the battery and the lenght of the hoses is
minimal.
Also, if you really want to install the box close to the filter
then look at the
space below the MAS as well the fuse box. There is enough
room that is not
covered by the filter for sure.
If the cone filter is
twice the size of the normal FIPK then it will touch the
hood
anyways.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
> I have a K&N Aircharger
intake kit installed on my VR-4... my problem is
> that i will be
installing a Blitz DS Boost controller and the Aircharger's
> Filter Cone
is TOO BIG. it leaves little to no room for me to install the
> hoses/
other components I need in that area between the top of the cone and
> the
enginebay. I was wondering if anyone out there that has a K&N FIPK
on
> their car would like to trade thier cone filter for my cone filter
(not the
> brackets and such... i just need the cone). The Air
charger cone is about
> twice the size of the FIPK cone....
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:26:35 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: I've got an "aircharger" filter that I need to
unload...
Roger is right. There are plenty of other places to mount
to soleniod box.
One of our Minnesota 3/S members has the aircharger
and his box is mounted
on the underside of the fuse box, nice and
hidden.
The aircharger won't hit the hood as long as you drill a hole
about half way
down the bracket and mount it using that hole. It is
about twice the
surface area as the FIPK. And it was do darn cheap.
(around $75) Of course
this made too much sense so K&N
discontinued it and made the "generation II"
FIPK for the Eclipse. But
that one is around $110.
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
>From:
"R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
>To:
Carlos Q <pir8ska@shadow.net>
>CC: Team3s
list <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: I've got an "aircharger" filter that I need to
>unload...
>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:43:22
+0200
>
>You don't need to install the DSBC solenoid box there as
the distance is
>somewhat far. You can place the box in between the y-pipe
and the rear
>turbo
>intake. Mine sits now at the battery and the
lenght of the hoses is
>minimal.
>
>Also, if you really want
to install the box close to the filter then look
>at the
>space
below the MAS as well the fuse box. There is enough room that is
not
>covered by the filter for sure.
>
>If the cone filter is
twice the size of the normal FIPK then it will touch
>the
>hood
anyways.
>
>Roger
>93'3000GT
TT
>
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
Date:
Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:01:27 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: I've got an "aircharger" filter that I need to unload...
These
are interesting alternatives to the K&N FIPK... But isn't the
FIPK
the ONLY one that is street legal and comes with a D.O.T.
sticker??? I
think it's also the only aftermarket airbox that
doesn't void the warranty--
BECAUSE of the D.O.T. sticker... True?
Refresh my memory,
guys...
Forrest
- -----Original Message-----From: Curt
Gendron
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
>Roger
is right. There are plenty of other places to mount to
soleniod
box.
>One of our Minnesota 3/S members has the aircharger and his box
is
mounted
>on the underside of the fuse box, nice and
hidden.
>
>The aircharger won't hit the hood as long as you drill a
hole about
half way
>down the bracket and mount it using that
hole. It is about twice
the
>surface area as the FIPK. And
it was do darn cheap. (around $75)
Of course
>this made too much sense
so K&N discontinued it and made the
"generation II"
>FIPK for the
Eclipse. But that one is around $110.
>>From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
>>You
don't need to install the DSBC solenoid box there as the
distance
is
>>somewhat far. You can place the box in between the y-pipe and
the
rear
>>turbo
>>intake. Mine sits now at the battery and
the lenght of the hoses
is
>>minimal.
>>
>>Also,
if you really want to install the box close to the filter
then
look
>>at the
>>space below the MAS as well the fuse box.
There is enough room
that is not
>>covered by the filter for
sure.
>>
>>If the cone filter is twice the size of the normal
FIPK then it
will touch
>>the
>>hood
anyways.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
------------------------------
End
of Team3S Digest V1 #290
****************************
For unsubscribe
info and FAQ, see our web page at http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm