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Team3S Digest      Wednesday, September 22 1999      Volume 01 : Number 289




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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:03:52 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: heater problems

My first reaction to this is low coolant level.  Top off the radiator cap
area, not just the overflow bottle.

After that, replace your thermostat and possibly the heater control valve I
am  doubtful that the valve is faulty though.


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From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Klusmanp@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:42 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: heater problems

Turned on the heater driving to work couple days ago. Cold air for about 10
minutes long after the water temp gage has come up to "normal range" (middle
of the gage - sure wish there were some numbers on the thing). Had the temp
set on 90 deg. Then suddenly I get really hot air after getting on the gas
on
an open stretch of road. Slowing to a stoplight, the air goes cool again as
the engine idles. Pulling away from the stoplight I get warm air once again.
The air temp varies directly with my foot on the gas for about 5 minutes
then
finally seems to stabilize.

Last winter, the air temp would be warm after about 30 seconds of driving
(after the water temp gage just starts to move of the bottom peg). Something
is screwed up. Once the air is flowing warm, everything seems to work
normally. I can turn the fan to its lowest setting and hear the baffles or
louvers or vanes moving to direct air to dash, windshield, feet, etc. I can
also hear the vanes move that direct the air to the heater or bypass it for
air temp control.

Seems like there is some kind of valve in the coolant system that gets stuck
and won't allow warm water to flow to the heater core properly - almost like
a second thermostat associated with the heater system. The temp gage shows
the engine temp. rock stable as usual, so I don't think the thermostat is
bad.

Questions:

1)Added coolant to the reservior. Thought it was 50/50 mix of
water/antifreeze but turned out to be pure antifreeze. Could this cause the
problem?

2)Had to replace battery last week. Could this have reprogrammed the
environmental control computer? (i.e. is the computer still in some
"learning" mode? - '91 VR4)

3)Is the engine coolant temp gage for real or is a stupid gage like turbo
boost?

4)Is there some valve or secondary thermostat that feeds warm coolant to the
heater system that might be bad?

Thanks for any help.

Paul Klusman
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:38:11 +0200
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Re: Team3S: More water injection fun

I suggest that all of you that runs the Spearco kit connects a small light
to the waterpump and place the lamp somewhere inside the car so it's visible
when driving (you can find a good looking lamp for maybe 2$). This way you
will notice if the light doesn't light up during high boost then the fuse is
blown (or some other problem). This system is also good for tuning the
system, so you know when the pump starts spraying water.

I did this on my Celica GT4 (Turbo, AWD) and it was very helpfull.

/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:58:02 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Cone filter test results

Find more info under :

http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/special.html

HKS users may hink about the poor filtering :(

Cheers,
Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:06:24 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cone filter test results

Roger...

Can you translate from Japanese? Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
the filters...air flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
cleaning? It's hard to tell from the pictures, and the graphs look very
close.

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 7:58 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Cone filter test results


Find more info under :

http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/special.html

HKS users may hink about the poor filtering :(

Cheers,
Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:17:35 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cone filter test results

> Can you translate from Japanese? Anyone? I'm curious as to
> how they rated
> the filters...air flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
> cleaning? It's hard to tell from the pictures, and the graphs
> look very close.

The only part I could figure out is that the circular paper filter shows the
amount of particulate matter that made its way through the filter being
tested.  I see Roger's point about the HKS.  Glad I have a K&N...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:14:26 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cone filter test results

Hehe, no, I don't understand the stuff. There was a discussion on the MKIV
list about these results and they said it was directly tested on a dyno, one
after the another. The peak hp result and filtering quality were the main
criterias and I think this is what counts (sound, goose...) My new
application has a SUS filter ... I may also think about this :( Please note,
AFAIK there is no MAS adapter for the Apexi filter for our cars.

Roger
93'3000GT TT

>Can you translate from Japanese? Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
>the filters...air flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
>cleaning? It's hard to tell from the pictures, and the graphs look very

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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:22:47 -0400
From: "Accelerated Accessories" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1320 ft.

All:

There is a big NIRA drag racing event on October 10th at Englishtown NJ.  I
am trying to get my car ready to run there.  Plus, there should be lots of
other fast imports there too including a few other stealths and 3kgt's that
I know of.  This will be one of the last big events of the season.  The
track at E-town is the best one I have ever been to.  It has nice seating,
food, and coordinators.  There will be tons of vendors and even the TOYO
tires girls will be there........  So, come on out and enjoy racing at its
finest and support this great event.


Matt
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com



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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:30:00 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S: B&M New Volt coil amp test update

I've got one of these amps last week and installed it yesterday. I went to
the dealer and he lead to the "canibalism" room full of dead engines,
Getrags and many more. Glad I took my swiss army knife with me and cut off
some nice connectors.

I soldered the New Volt wires (only two) into a new harness I conneced in
between the coil pack the orignal harness. Installation was done in minutes,
hehe.

Beforehand I regapped the plugs to 0.045 and run the car without the amp.
Even at 0.8 kg/cm" I got the hesitation / miss around 4500 and another at
5000. Increasing boost even more resulted in more misses ... but NO KNOCK !
Even more no log showed any sign that could lead to the cause of these
misses or hesitations. The only thing we know is that reducing the gap
solves the problem. I then connected the amp and did another run.
Unfortunately, no, absolutely no difference. Neither the logs nor the butt
dyno told me difference. Today I regapped the plugs again but down to the
stock 0.042 and the misses became less noticeable. But again, no difference
with the B&M NewVolt amplifier.

I'm still discussing this with the development engineer at B&M but he says
that this seems not to be an ignition problem. To be honest, the problem
goes away when I reduce the gap and therefore it is an ignition problem.
What do you think ?
He's also blaming the coil pack and the wires are not good because spiral
cores are required. Well, he did not knew that I have Magnecors and they are
spiral cores (checked back with Magnecor and they replied within 2 hours !)
But the coil pack could be weak for sure. I guess I may check the resistance
of the stuff. If I'm not getting any better result, I'll do not test the box
tomorrow on the dyno and will reconcentrate to the WI system.

Sidenote : As I opened the gap to 0.042, low end power became noticeable
better. I always felt something like a lag (also Jim noticed this when we
testdrove each others car) and this is now much better wit hthe wider gap.
Damn, we need something that allows us to run a wide gap without any misses
under high boost.

I keep you updated.
Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:40:31 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cone filter test results

Remember to check for a 95+ eclipse if there is no listing for the
3000/stealth.

Also, the Eclipse K&N kit is cheaper and larger than the 3000/stealth
filter/adapter.


Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of R.G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:14 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cone filter test results

Hehe, no, I don't understand the stuff. There was a discussion on the MKIV
list about these results and they said it was directly tested on a dyno, one
after the another. The peak hp result and filtering quality were the main
criterias and I think this is what counts (sound, goose...) My new
application has a SUS filter ... I may also think about this :( Please note,
AFAIK there is no MAS adapter for the Apexi filter for our cars.

Roger
93'3000GT TT

>Can you translate from Japanese? Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
>the filters...air flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
>cleaning? It's hard to tell from the pictures, and the graphs look very

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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:38:33 EDT
From: "Dg B" <dbretton@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: rear shock replacement?  any ideas?

Hey all!

  It's me again... :)  I have a question for some of the experts out there. 
Let's see what you have to say.

I have been looking high and low for some good replacement rear shocks for
my non-turbo Stealth.
Here's the skinny on non-OEM replacements:

  KYB:  cheap.  Just don't do the job.
  GAB:  don't make em for my car. :(


I know that Cody was looking at the KYB AGX adjustable shocks.  However, KYB
does not make them for our cars (buncha jerks, sniff sniff).
Has anyone tried to use something other than these products as replacements?
  Anyone tried to find something that fit the stock specs?


Here are the specs on the rear shocks (non ECS)

Max length mm (in) 515 (20.2)
Min length mm (in) 356 (14.0)
Stroke     mm (in) 159 (6.3)

Daming force
Expansion    N (lbs) 1,000 (220)
Contraction  N (lbs) 550   (121)

The ECS is the same except for the damping coefficients.

What do you guys think?  Could we use something else?  How about a VR-4
shock?  The specs are similar, except the stroke is a bit longer.
How about Koni?  Any others?

Looking forward to hear some opinions!


Regards,
   Dennis

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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:18:37 -0400
From: "Fein, Edward" <efein@microstrategy.com>
Subject: Team3S: And you thought WE had problems...

Proving that even a brand-spankin'-new Mustang SVT Cobra is still a
Rustang...

http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/news/messages/219.html

Compared to this, our tranny problems with Getrag seem pretty minor.

   -Ed



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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:24:00 -0500
From: "Phil Johnson" <dangerwit@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: And you thought WE had problems...

MAN.  That's a bummer.  For them.  ;)

For those of you who don't read The Onion, here is this week's car care
section.

http://www.theonion.com/onion3533/carcare_chart_3533.html

Phillip Johnson
Ceridian Employer Services
612-894-3224 (w)
888-415-4894 (pager)


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From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Fein, Edward
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:19 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: And you thought WE had problems...



Proving that even a brand-spankin'-new Mustang SVT Cobra is still a
Rustang...

http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/news/messages/219.html

Compared to this, our tranny problems with Getrag seem pretty minor.

   -Ed



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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:46:10 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Team3S: APEXi Boost Controller

Ken, and all-
Being lazy, (don't want to remove the battery, battery tray and
windshield washer reservoir, etc.), I have decided on the following
plumbing for the APEXi Boost Controller: 
1) Disconnect and plug the hose at the "Y" pipe that goes to the
OEM "H" fitting. 
2)Disconnect the lower hose from the OEM boost control solenoid,
and connect it to the "COM" port of the APEXi boost control
solenoid.
3) Install a hose between the "Y" pipe fitting and the "NO" port
of the APEXi solenoid.   
4) Put a "T" in the small hose between the plenum and the EGR
solenoid, and run a hose from the "T" to the APEXi boost
pressure sensor.

I am assuming that 1/8" hoses will be adequate.  Anybody
disagree?  I haven't yet installed the controller because I have
not been able to find the necessary fittings (in brass or plastic),
locally. I have found them in the McMaster-Carr Company
supply catalog, so will call them soon to see if they will ship
some to me.  Thanks much, for any responses!
Regards,
ptg

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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:00:36 -0400
From: Jim <jimc@pathwaynet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Test Drive Problems

I was looking at a 1992 3000gt VR4 and I was test driving it and I was
about 3 miles from the house and it started smoking bad. The Temp went to
the top so I took it back. The guy said the water pump will probably need
to be replaced. I really love this car what is your advice? He will pay for
the repair but do you think the overheating could have damaged the engines
to much? Thanks for all the help!

~jim


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:13:14 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Test Drive Problems

Jim...

Smoke from the exhaust is NEVER a good sign, but could be symptomatic of a
number of problems (many of which a water pump replacement will NOT fix).
Your best bet is to take the car to a mechanic you trust and have him do a
thorough check of the entire drivetrain. If you don't know of such a
mechanic in your area, post your location to the list and ask for responses
to be sent to you privately.

Considering the cost of repairing our cars, coupled with the fact that they
will not be produced after this year, may cause some people to "unload" a
car that is in poorly maintained condition.

Happy shopping!!!

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim [mailto:jimc@pathwaynet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 6:01 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Test Drive Problems


I was looking at a 1992 3000gt VR4 and I was test driving it and I was
about 3 miles from the house and it started smoking bad. The Temp went to
the top so I took it back. The guy said the water pump will probably need
to be replaced. I really love this car what is your advice? He will pay for
the repair but do you think the overheating could have damaged the engines
to much? Thanks for all the help!

~jim


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:44:55 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Good pricing on Stillen brake components

I called Alamo Motor Sports to inquire about discounts for team3s folks on
brake components. The guy said, "well, yeah, sort of..."

I told him I was interested in Stillen sport rotors and metal pads for my '91
VR4 and quoted him the prices I'd just pulled off their internet site
(www.alamomotorsports.com). He thought the internet pricing might be old,
checked it for me, and came back with about $60 less for the pair of rotors
and $14 less for the set of pads.

I placed the order and then decided to check the pricing direct from Stillen
on their web site. The same set of front sport rotors direct from Stillen was
$300 vs. $204 from Alamo. The pads were $58 Stillen vs. $44 from Alamo. Of
course, you might talk Stillen down if you call them on the phone...

Paul Klusman
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:48:36 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Heater problems - need thermostat.

I think I have traced my heater problem to a bad thermostat.

I assume this is going to be a $200 item. Any suggestions where to go for
best pricing?

Thanks

Paul Klusman
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:04:23 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Heater problems - need thermostat.

Not quite.  Thermostat was about 25.00 from the dealer..

I could replace one in about 30 minutes.

Figure about 100.00 if a shop replaces it.


Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Klusmanp@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:49 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Heater problems - need thermostat.

I think I have traced my heater problem to a bad thermostat.

I assume this is going to be a $200 item. Any suggestions where to go for
best pricing?

Thanks

Paul Klusman
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:40:50 -0700
From: "3000gtvr4" <gtovr4@postalzone.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cone filter test results

Hi Chris and all,

I can ask my fiance to translate the stuff as she is Japanese, however, do u
want her to translate like all the filter results? =) Just use the Blitz
cone filter, I like it. Nevertheless, if u all insist, I will try to get it
translated asap. =))

Later

Julian Ng
94 VR4 Pearl White
Matteson Media Group
C89.5 FM KNHC, Seattle
gtovr4@postalzone.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: 'R.G.' <robby@freesurf.ch>
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cone filter test results


>Roger...
>
>Can you translate from Japanese? Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
>the filters...air flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
>cleaning? It's hard to tell from the pictures, and the graphs look very
>close.
>
>Looking forward...Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 7:58 AM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: Team3S: Cone filter test results
>
>
>Find more info under :
>
>http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/special.html
>
>HKS users may hink about the poor filtering :(
>
>Cheers,
>Roger
>93'3000GT TT
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:41:02 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Knock knock..

Hi

Why do our engines knock? I know what knock is but I really want to know
what Mitsu missed when they built the engine. The Supra guys doesn't report
any knock at all but every 3S seams to knock as hell even at "low" boosts
(15psi). Is there something we can do inside the engine to prevent knock?

I know that bigger intercoolers and water injection will take the knock away
but thats not what I'm looking for.

Can someone please clear the mist?

/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu



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