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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:03:52 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: heater problems
My first reaction to this is low coolant
level. Top off the radiator cap
area, not just the overflow
bottle.
After that, replace your thermostat and possibly the heater
control valve I
am doubtful that the valve is faulty
though.
Brad
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From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
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Behalf Of Klusmanp@aol.com
Sent:
Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:42 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: heater problems
Turned on the heater driving to work couple days
ago. Cold air for about 10
minutes long after the water temp gage has come up
to "normal range" (middle
of the gage - sure wish there were some numbers on
the thing). Had the temp
set on 90 deg. Then suddenly I get really hot air
after getting on the gas
on
an open stretch of road. Slowing to a
stoplight, the air goes cool again as
the engine idles. Pulling away from the
stoplight I get warm air once again.
The air temp varies directly with my
foot on the gas for about 5 minutes
then
finally seems to
stabilize.
Last winter, the air temp would be warm after about 30 seconds
of driving
(after the water temp gage just starts to move of the bottom peg).
Something
is screwed up. Once the air is flowing warm, everything seems to
work
normally. I can turn the fan to its lowest setting and hear the baffles
or
louvers or vanes moving to direct air to dash, windshield, feet, etc. I
can
also hear the vanes move that direct the air to the heater or bypass it
for
air temp control.
Seems like there is some kind of valve in the
coolant system that gets stuck
and won't allow warm water to flow to the
heater core properly - almost like
a second thermostat associated with the
heater system. The temp gage shows
the engine temp. rock stable as usual, so
I don't think the thermostat is
bad.
Questions:
1)Added coolant
to the reservior. Thought it was 50/50 mix of
water/antifreeze but turned out
to be pure antifreeze. Could this cause the
problem?
2)Had to replace
battery last week. Could this have reprogrammed the
environmental control
computer? (i.e. is the computer still in some
"learning" mode? - '91
VR4)
3)Is the engine coolant temp gage for real or is a stupid gage like
turbo
boost?
4)Is there some valve or secondary thermostat that feeds
warm coolant to the
heater system that might be bad?
Thanks for any
help.
Paul Klusman
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:38:11 +0200
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: More water injection fun
I suggest that all of you that runs the
Spearco kit connects a small light
to the waterpump and place the lamp
somewhere inside the car so it's visible
when driving (you can find a good
looking lamp for maybe 2$). This way you
will notice if the light doesn't
light up during high boost then the fuse is
blown (or some other problem).
This system is also good for tuning the
system, so you know when the pump
starts spraying water.
I did this on my Celica GT4 (Turbo, AWD) and it
was very helpfull.
/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:58:02 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S:
Cone filter test results
Find more info under :
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/special.html
HKS
users may hink about the poor filtering :(
Cheers,
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:06:24 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Cone filter test results
Roger...
Can you translate
from Japanese? Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
the filters...air
flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
cleaning? It's hard to
tell from the pictures, and the graphs look very
close.
Looking
forward...Chris
- -----Original Message-----
From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent: Tuesday,
September 21, 1999 7:58 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Cone filter test results
Find more info under :
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/special.html
HKS
users may hink about the poor filtering :(
Cheers,
Roger
93'3000GT
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:17:35 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Cone filter test results
> Can you translate from Japanese?
Anyone? I'm curious as to
> how they rated
> the filters...air
flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
> cleaning? It's hard
to tell from the pictures, and the graphs
> look very close.
The
only part I could figure out is that the circular paper filter shows
the
amount of particulate matter that made its way through the filter
being
tested. I see Roger's point about the HKS. Glad I have a
K&N...
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:14:26 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Cone filter test results
Hehe, no, I don't understand the stuff.
There was a discussion on the MKIV
list about these results and they said it
was directly tested on a dyno, one
after the another. The peak hp result and
filtering quality were the main
criterias and I think this is what counts
(sound, goose...) My new
application has a SUS filter ... I may also think
about this :( Please note,
AFAIK there is no MAS adapter for the Apexi filter
for our cars.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
>Can you translate from
Japanese? Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
>the filters...air
flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
>cleaning? It's hard
to tell from the pictures, and the graphs look very
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:22:47 -0400
From: "Accelerated Accessories" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1320
ft.
All:
There is a big NIRA drag racing event on October 10th at
Englishtown NJ. I
am trying to get my car ready to run there.
Plus, there should be lots of
other fast imports there too including a few
other stealths and 3kgt's that
I know of. This will be one of the last
big events of the season. The
track at E-town is the best one I have
ever been to. It has nice seating,
food, and coordinators. There
will be tons of vendors and even the TOYO
tires girls will be
there........ So, come on out and enjoy racing at its
finest and
support this great event.
Matt
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:30:00 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S:
B&M New Volt coil amp test update
I've got one of these amps last
week and installed it yesterday. I went to
the dealer and he lead to the
"canibalism" room full of dead engines,
Getrags and many more. Glad I took my
swiss army knife with me and cut off
some nice connectors.
I soldered
the New Volt wires (only two) into a new harness I conneced in
between the
coil pack the orignal harness. Installation was done in
minutes,
hehe.
Beforehand I regapped the plugs to 0.045 and run the
car without the amp.
Even at 0.8 kg/cm" I got the hesitation / miss around
4500 and another at
5000. Increasing boost even more resulted in more misses
... but NO KNOCK !
Even more no log showed any sign that could lead to the
cause of these
misses or hesitations. The only thing we know is that reducing
the gap
solves the problem. I then connected the amp and did another
run.
Unfortunately, no, absolutely no difference. Neither the logs nor the
butt
dyno told me difference. Today I regapped the plugs again but down to
the
stock 0.042 and the misses became less noticeable. But again, no
difference
with the B&M NewVolt amplifier.
I'm still discussing
this with the development engineer at B&M but he says
that this seems not
to be an ignition problem. To be honest, the problem
goes away when I reduce
the gap and therefore it is an ignition problem.
What do you think ?
He's
also blaming the coil pack and the wires are not good because spiral
cores
are required. Well, he did not knew that I have Magnecors and they are
spiral
cores (checked back with Magnecor and they replied within 2 hours !)
But the
coil pack could be weak for sure. I guess I may check the resistance
of the
stuff. If I'm not getting any better result, I'll do not test the
box
tomorrow on the dyno and will reconcentrate to the WI
system.
Sidenote : As I opened the gap to 0.042, low end power became
noticeable
better. I always felt something like a lag (also Jim noticed this
when we
testdrove each others car) and this is now much better wit hthe wider
gap.
Damn, we need something that allows us to run a wide gap without any
misses
under high boost.
I keep you updated.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:40:31 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Cone filter test results
Remember to check for a 95+ eclipse
if there is no listing for the
3000/stealth.
Also, the Eclipse K&N
kit is cheaper and larger than the
3000/stealth
filter/adapter.
Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of R.G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:14 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Cone filter test results
Hehe, no, I don't understand the
stuff. There was a discussion on the MKIV
list about these results and they
said it was directly tested on a dyno, one
after the another. The peak hp
result and filtering quality were the main
criterias and I think this is what
counts (sound, goose...) My new
application has a SUS filter ... I may also
think about this :( Please note,
AFAIK there is no MAS adapter for the Apexi
filter for our cars.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
>Can you translate
from Japanese? Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
>the filters...air
flow, passing what size particulate matter, easy of
>cleaning? It's hard
to tell from the pictures, and the graphs look very
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:38:33 EDT
From: "Dg B" <dbretton@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: rear shock replacement? any ideas?
Hey all!
It's me again... :) I have a question for some of the experts out
there.
Let's see what you have to say.
I have been looking high
and low for some good replacement rear shocks for
my non-turbo
Stealth.
Here's the skinny on non-OEM replacements:
KYB:
cheap. Just don't do the job.
GAB: don't make em for my
car. :(
I know that Cody was looking at the KYB AGX adjustable
shocks. However, KYB
does not make them for our cars (buncha jerks,
sniff sniff).
Has anyone tried to use something other than these products as
replacements?
Anyone tried to find something that fit the stock
specs?
Here are the specs on the rear shocks (non ECS)
Max
length mm (in) 515 (20.2)
Min length mm (in) 356
(14.0)
Stroke mm (in) 159 (6.3)
Daming
force
Expansion N (lbs) 1,000 (220)
Contraction N
(lbs) 550 (121)
The ECS is the same except for the damping
coefficients.
What do you guys think? Could we use something
else? How about a VR-4
shock? The specs are similar, except the
stroke is a bit longer.
How about Koni? Any others?
Looking
forward to hear some opinions!
Regards,
Dennis
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:18:37 -0400
From: "Fein, Edward" <efein@microstrategy.com>
Subject:
Team3S: And you thought WE had problems...
Proving that even a
brand-spankin'-new Mustang SVT Cobra is still a
Rustang...
http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/news/messages/219.html
Compared
to this, our tranny problems with Getrag seem pretty minor.
-Ed
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:24:00 -0500
From: "Phil Johnson" <dangerwit@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: And you thought WE had problems...
MAN. That's a
bummer. For them. ;)
For those of you who don't read The
Onion, here is this week's car care
section.
http://www.theonion.com/onion3533/carcare_chart_3533.html
Phillip
Johnson
Ceridian Employer Services
612-894-3224 (w)
888-415-4894
(pager)
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From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Fein, Edward
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:19 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: And you thought WE had problems...
Proving that even a
brand-spankin'-new Mustang SVT Cobra is still a
Rustang...
http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/news/messages/219.html
Compared
to this, our tranny problems with Getrag seem pretty minor.
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:46:10 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Team3S: APEXi
Boost Controller
Ken, and all-
Being lazy, (don't want to remove the
battery, battery tray and
windshield washer reservoir, etc.), I have decided
on the following
plumbing for the APEXi Boost Controller:
1)
Disconnect and plug the hose at the "Y" pipe that goes to the
OEM "H"
fitting.
2)Disconnect the lower hose from the OEM boost control
solenoid,
and connect it to the "COM" port of the APEXi boost
control
solenoid.
3) Install a hose between the "Y" pipe fitting and the
"NO" port
of the APEXi solenoid.
4) Put a "T" in the
small hose between the plenum and the EGR
solenoid, and run a hose from the
"T" to the APEXi boost
pressure sensor.
I am assuming that 1/8" hoses
will be adequate. Anybody
disagree? I haven't yet installed the
controller because I have
not been able to find the necessary fittings (in
brass or plastic),
locally. I have found them in the McMaster-Carr Company
supply catalog, so will call them soon to see if they will ship
some to
me. Thanks much, for any responses!
Regards,
ptg
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:00:36 -0400
From: Jim <jimc@pathwaynet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Test Drive Problems
I was looking at a 1992 3000gt VR4 and I was
test driving it and I was
about 3 miles from the house and it started smoking
bad. The Temp went to
the top so I took it back. The guy said the water pump
will probably need
to be replaced. I really love this car what is your
advice? He will pay for
the repair but do you think the overheating could
have damaged the engines
to much? Thanks for all the
help!
~jim
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:13:14 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Test Drive Problems
Jim...
Smoke from the exhaust is
NEVER a good sign, but could be symptomatic of a
number of problems (many of
which a water pump replacement will NOT fix).
Your best bet is to take the
car to a mechanic you trust and have him do a
thorough check of the entire
drivetrain. If you don't know of such a
mechanic in your area, post your
location to the list and ask for responses
to be sent to you
privately.
Considering the cost of repairing our cars, coupled with the
fact that they
will not be produced after this year, may cause some people to
"unload" a
car that is in poorly maintained condition.
Happy
shopping!!!
Looking forward...Chris
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Message-----
From: Jim [mailto:jimc@pathwaynet.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, September 21, 1999 6:01 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Test Drive Problems
I was looking at a 1992 3000gt VR4 and I
was test driving it and I was
about 3 miles from the house and it started
smoking bad. The Temp went to
the top so I took it back. The guy said the
water pump will probably need
to be replaced. I really love this car what is
your advice? He will pay for
the repair but do you think the overheating
could have damaged the engines
to much? Thanks for all the
help!
~jim
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:44:55 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Good
pricing on Stillen brake components
I called Alamo Motor Sports to
inquire about discounts for team3s folks on
brake components. The guy said,
"well, yeah, sort of..."
I told him I was interested in Stillen sport
rotors and metal pads for my '91
VR4 and quoted him the prices I'd just
pulled off their internet site
(www.alamomotorsports.com). He thought
the internet pricing might be old,
checked it for me, and came back with
about $60 less for the pair of rotors
and $14 less for the set of
pads.
I placed the order and then decided to check the pricing direct
from Stillen
on their web site. The same set of front sport rotors direct
from Stillen was
$300 vs. $204 from Alamo. The pads were $58 Stillen vs. $44
from Alamo. Of
course, you might talk Stillen down if you call them on the
phone...
Paul Klusman
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:48:36 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Heater
problems - need thermostat.
I think I have traced my heater problem to a
bad thermostat.
I assume this is going to be a $200 item. Any suggestions
where to go for
best pricing?
Thanks
Paul Klusman
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:04:23 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Heater problems - need thermostat.
Not quite.
Thermostat was about 25.00 from the dealer..
I could replace one in about
30 minutes.
Figure about 100.00 if a shop replaces
it.
Brad
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[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Klusmanp@aol.com
Sent:
Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:49 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Heater problems - need thermostat.
I think I have traced my
heater problem to a bad thermostat.
I assume this is going to be a $200
item. Any suggestions where to go for
best pricing?
Thanks
Paul
Klusman
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Date:
Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:40:50 -0700
From: "3000gtvr4" <gtovr4@postalzone.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Cone filter test results
Hi Chris and all,
I can ask
my fiance to translate the stuff as she is Japanese, however, do u
want her
to translate like all the filter results? =) Just use the Blitz
cone filter,
I like it. Nevertheless, if u all insist, I will try to get it
translated
asap. =))
Later
Julian Ng
94 VR4 Pearl White
Matteson Media
Group
C89.5 FM KNHC, Seattle
gtovr4@postalzone.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To:
'R.G.' <robby@freesurf.ch>
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Tuesday, September 21, 1999 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cone filter test
results
>Roger...
>
>Can you translate from Japanese?
Anyone? I'm curious as to how they rated
>the filters...air flow, passing
what size particulate matter, easy of
>cleaning? It's hard to tell from
the pictures, and the graphs look very
>close.
>
>Looking
forward...Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
>Sent:
Tuesday, September 21, 1999 7:58 AM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject:
Team3S: Cone filter test results
>
>
>Find more info under
:
>
>http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/special.html
>
>HKS
users may hink about the poor filtering
:(
>
>Cheers,
>Roger
>93'3000GT
TT
>
>
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Date:
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:41:02 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S:
Knock knock..
Hi
Why do our engines knock? I know what knock is
but I really want to know
what Mitsu missed when they built the engine. The
Supra guys doesn't report
any knock at all but every 3S seams to knock as
hell even at "low" boosts
(15psi). Is there something we can do inside the
engine to prevent knock?
I know that bigger intercoolers and water
injection will take the knock away
but thats not what I'm looking
for.
Can someone please clear the mist?
/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu
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