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Date:
Mon, 06 Sep 1999 02:14:59 -0500
From: Phil Johnson <dangerwit@mediaone.net>
Subject:
Team3S: So THAT's what a glazed disc smells like?
Hi all, a little
late-night car trouble...
...I'm hoping I've figured this out correctly
(well, with help from a
friend) but I'd like to run it by the experts.
=)
So my dad was looking to race me in his Pontiac GP GTP, I figure
no
problem. That is, if I COULD DRIVE. Something happened (most
certainly my
error), and I was suddenly stuck in the middle of the road, in
first,
racing the engine. No motion. Shift to second.
Racing engine again, no
movement. Then third. The same. I
put the stick in neutral, waited a
second, then reshifted into first, and
drove nicely (of course the GTP was
waaaay ahead of me).
That
was when I smelled the most awful burning metal. I thought I was
gonna
choke. I pulled over to catch my breath... no smoke coming out, just
a
stench. AND, the car was VERY grabby (RPS 2nd stage clutch, OE disc)
all
of a sudden.
My friend confirmed what I thought the issue was -- I
probably did
something to my new RPS clutch, most likely the disc.
After a long cooling
period, it drives fine again, no extra grab on the
clutch.
Is this something I need to look at, perhaps replace the
OE disc? The
clutch only has about 1000 easy miles on it, nothing
really hard. And, I
know this might be harder, but can anyone figure
out what I did? I was too
concerned about not getting hit by other cars
to figure it out. =)
Thanks for any advice,
*Melting in
Minneapolis ;-)
*Phil
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Date:
Mon, 06 Sep 1999 09:21:44 +0200
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Europe Japanese Twin Turbo Club
Genesiscon Lehir
wrote:
>
> The first Europe_Japanese Twin Turbo Event will be
hold
> in MUNICH, Germany, starting on Tuesday, and until the next
>
Weekend.
>
> There will be a LOT of 300ZXTT, but as well Supras
TT.
> Bring your Mitsu/stealth.
Henri,
Thanx for the post, but
it was pretty uninformative.
Are you talking about Tuesday 9/7 through Sunday
9/12? Why
so many days? What events are taking place and
when? How
many cars are expected? Where in Munich?
Etc.
There are enough European readers of this list to
warrant a detailed
post. Thanx...
-Jim
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Germany
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Adjustable Active
Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0
bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off
Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix
brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top
Speed: 168mph
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Date:
Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:35:10 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: B&M "New Volt" ignition amplifier
Roger,
What I am
currently investigating is the MSD DIS-4. It provides a
longer spark
duration as well as a higher spark output. It is intended to
work with
cars that have either 3 or 4 coil packs. The cost is a little
higher,
$329 from Jegs, ($345 from Summit), but MSD is a known leader in the
ignition
field. You can find out more on the DIS-4 by going to
www.msdignition.com <http://www.msdignition.com> They
have some pretty good
info on it. AT the price of the B&M, if the
two units are comparable then
you have done me a big favor.
One of the
biggest problems with WI cars is the ignition. It takes
a good ignition
system to be able to fire through the mix of fuel/air and
now, distilled
water. Our cars do NOT have good ignition systems. I plan
on
rewiring the system with larger wire as well. Mits knows how to make
a
little engine produce lots of power, but they failed when trying to make
a
little ignition make lots of power. :-)
John Basol
System
Management Services
-----Original Message-----
From: R.G. [SMTP:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent:
Sunday, September 05, 1999 8:05 AM
To: 3/S Sirius Mailing List
Subject:
Team3S: B&M "New Volt" ignition amplifier
For me the thing is
something new but it sounds like a much better
upgrade
than many other
things especially for our cars. If anyone has
already made
some
investigations in this product please let me know. Here some
information from
a friend on the message board and infos I found :
- longer inductive
spark energy delivery
- Works on any OBDxx cars
- output remains at 20
volts / 15 amp (20 peak)
- Works with multi-coil applications as well as
single coil
applications
with one unit
- It delivers a long lasting
spark at higher energy for 2500 - 3000
usec
which is more
efficient with regard to a full burn in the combustion chamber
- uses only
three wires to connect
> This may be of interest to some of you...it's
definately a better
alternative to
> running 3 MSD 6's
http://www.bmracing.com/catalog/import/im99-7.htm
>
B&M is sending me installation instructions and supporting
technical
test
results.
>The unit is not a coil but a control unit that allows
the coils to
fire at
a higher power
>rating. They claim that the
amps will jump by 2 orders of
magnitude.
Installation is
>three
wires (ground, coil pack, and coil harness). This is not a
multi
spark
system
>but a longer duration spark at higher wattage (amps x
voltage).
They claim
that
>you can open the gap to 0.050-0.060 on
the plugs even with 16 psi
of boost.
I will
>let you know more when
I get the literature package.
>The cost is $229 from Summit
Racing.
I plan to get such a thing although the price is something high
but
I think
it is a better upgrade than other boxes. Does anybody know
of
another
simlilar product from MSD, Jacobs or so
??
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:13:33 EDT
From: Dskull@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Sad Days -
My baby is no more.
Bad News Folks. 10 days ago while coming home from
the local
driving range ( trying to fix a nasty slice) some joker
decided
to play chicken on a dark curve. It took me a split second
to
realize he was 3-4 feet in my lane. Instinctively I swerved to
the
right to miss him without touching the brakes. I still don't
know how I
manged to miss the SOB, but I did. When I had it almost
straight again I hit
something with my right front ( found out
later it was a black curb ). This
shot me straight across the road
into a guard rail. When I knew it was
hopeless I hit the brakes.
Just before impact I got off the brakes to protect
my legs. Hit
guard rail fairly square, air bag deployed, bounced backwards
across the road and took out a mail box with the right rear
quarter
panel. Got out expecting to wail on the SOB, but he had
left. The only injury
was on my neck from the air bag. Just some
scrapes. Luckily I had my seat
belt on. Police, fire, ambulance
all showed up. Car was a mess. Most of the
plastic parts on the
front of the car were gone, right front wheel bent, and
radiator
was punctured. Three days later they totalled the car. Tried to
buy it back but they wanted 4K for it. Worked out a deal to
remove
aftermarket parts and replace with original stock parts. I am
still amazed at how well the car took the impact. The front just
colapsed
absorbing alot of the impact ( est. at 40 mph ). I will
miss this car dearly.
It was a 1993 VR4 in perfect condition.
After considering the situation I
have decided to look for a used
race car and buy some POS for driving around.
Therefore I am
selling off all of the parts I have salvaged or had as
spares.
Here is the list and what I am asking. PLEASE respond directly
to
me and not the list. I live in Conn. for those of you within
driving
distance. All items are sold with purchaser paying for
shipping.
Full set of H&R springs. Used 1 year - New 225.00 - Sell -
125.00
Road Race Engineering rear tower bar - New 195.00 - Sell -
100.00
Blitz Boost
Controller
- New 505.00 - Sell - 250.00
( One part of harness need new connectors, but
works fine)
Blitz Turbo
Timer
- New 105.00 - Sell - 50.00
Brad's Big Red Porsche Calipers
with coated
KVR rotors, Full set of Pagid BLACK pads, and
1/2 set of Pagid Orange
pads. - New 1600.00 - Sell
1100.00
Ground Control Front Camber Plates - New 265.00 -
Sell 200.00
Rear GAB struts. Used 8
months - New 310.00 - Sell
150.00
Rear Ground Control setup with 500 lbs - New 200.00 - Sell
100.00
1993 Shop manuals and
CD
- New 120.00 - Sell 50.00
( The mecanical manual binder is falling apart, but
all of the
pages are there. The electrical one is in perfect shape
)
Set of 1993 VR4 wheels with Yoko A032R
tires - Sell 350.00
( The rims are
straight but the chrome is shot, peeling, gone.
I used these for the
Yokos while on the track. The Yoko's have
about 1/3 tread left on 3
tires and the 4th one is pretty well
gone. It make last another 2 days
or so )
Set of Goodyear Eagle 245/45/ZR17's about 1/2 tread - Sell
150.00
Stock main Catalytic
convertor
Sell 50.00
( Good for gutting for a "test" pipe)
Set of 18" VR4
wheels with BF Comp T/A 265/35/ZR18's Sell 1300.00
( These
are in almost perfect condition. One wheel has some
discoloration of the chrome around the lugs. Two of the tires
are near new, and two of the tire have wear on the inside from
running too much camber on the street )
Stock 1993 rear brake
pads
New 39.00 Sell - 15.00
Extra set of Eibach Ground Control Springs
New ??? Sell 75.00
( The are 550 lbs - brand new )
6 Disk
trunk mounted CD
player
Sell 150.00
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Date:
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 00:43:22 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: B&M "New Volt" ignition
amplifier
> What I am
currently investigating is the MSD DIS-4. It provides a
> longer
spark duration as well as a higher spark output. It is intended to
>
work with cars that have either 3 or 4 coil packs.
If I recall correctly
at least Mike (ALtered Atmosphere) tried the DIS-4 and it
didn't worked well.
I think that has somethng to do with the style of the MSD as
it provides more
features as we already are looking for.
The "New Volt" (strange name)
will be conected to the ignition transistor pack.
Better said to the power
line that is getting switched. The DIS-4 looks like it
would eliminate the
transistor pack and doesn't look easy to be installed. Of
course, the DIS is
a more complete discharge system while the New Volt helps the
weak system to
become good.
We are trying to get such a system for testing and I think
if B&M believes in
their product they should give it to me for free. I'll
do the install and pay
for a dyno run to provide real data then. I'llö keep
you updated.
> One of the biggest
problems with WI cars is the ignition. It takes
> a good ignition
system to be able to fire through the mix of fuel/air and
> now, distilled
water.
I agree with you, although if the amount of water is not too much
the problem
should be degligible. But for sure it will help !
>
Mits knows how to make a
> little engine produce lots of power, but they
failed when trying to make a
> little ignition make lots of power.
:-)
Just never look at an LT1 system that uses an optical spark
distributor
(optispark),... we call it opticrap, the name says it all
!
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:07:16 -0700
From: "Darcy Gunnlaugson" <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Question from a newbie
Hi Jim;
If buying stock; buy one
with the lowest miles possible and with good
original paint to match.
It's usually indicative of someone who loved and
cared for their car if it
remains primo. Pass up battered or reshined
warriors. (If purchasing
modified, post here and someone likely will know
the car and can
advise.)
Make sure the last 60,000 timing belt change was performed (this
is done
every 60,000 ) and that a new timing belt tensor was instaled at the
same
time. A new water pump is usually put in at this time as well by owners
who
look after their cars.
Front brake lines were a recall item...make
sure it was done, and while
you're at it, check out the remaining service
record.
Insure your synchros are in good shape: no grinding on shifts. A
new tranny,
or even a rebuilt is expensive.
Check the transfer case
for cracks leaks, etc. Spines are known to go/strip
but it's a hard thing to
really check on.
Look at the rims for major damage...could be indicative
of hidden front
end/suspension problems.
Make sure you don't have a
clutch on the way south, or brakes that are in
need of work in the immediate
future.
New paint can hide sins. Original is better.
Hope this
helps for starters...you're get other advice I'm
sure.
Darc.
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Date:
Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:24:58 -0700
From: "Darcy Gunnlaugson" <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: So THAT's what a glazed disc smells like?
Hi Phil;
I am
not the resident 3S clutch guru or instalation expert on the same, so I
have
a few questions:
1) I didn't know that two discs could be instaled (RPS
and OE) at the same
time in the same car. Can you explain?
2) Are you sure
you had a burning metal smell and not a burning clutch
smell? They point at
different problems.
3) Did you replace the TOB, pressure plate and flywheel
at the time you put
in a new disc?
Maybe we can get a few others
involved here and get to the bottom of
your
problem.
Best
Darc
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Phil Johnson <dangerwit@mediaone.net>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Monday, September 06, 1999 12:17 AM
Subject: Team3S: So THAT's what a glazed
disc smells like?
>Hi all, a little late-night car
trouble...
>
>...I'm hoping I've figured this out correctly (well,
with help from a
>friend) but I'd like to run it by the experts.
=)
>
>So my dad was looking to race me in his Pontiac GP GTP, I
figure no
>problem. That is, if I COULD DRIVE. Something
happened (most certainly my
>error), and I was suddenly stuck in the
middle of the road, in first,
>racing the engine. No motion.
Shift to second. Racing engine again, no
>movement. Then
third. The same. I put the stick in neutral, waited a
>second,
then reshifted into first, and drove nicely (of course the GTP was
>waaaay
ahead of me).
>
>That was when I smelled the most awful burning
metal. I thought I was
>gonna choke. I pulled over to catch my
breath... no smoke coming out, just
>a stench. AND, the car was VERY
grabby (RPS 2nd stage clutch, OE disc) all
>of a sudden.
>
>My
friend confirmed what I thought the issue was -- I probably did
>something
to my new RPS clutch, most likely the disc. After a long
cooling
>period, it drives fine again, no extra grab on the
clutch.
>
>Is this something I need to look at, perhaps replace the
OE disc? The
>clutch only has about 1000 easy miles on it, nothing
really hard. And, I
>know this might be harder, but can anyone
figure out what I did? I was too
>concerned about not getting hit by
other cars to figure it out. =)
>
>Thanks for any
advice,
>*Melting in Minneapolis
;-)
>*Phil
>
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Date:
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:15:04 -0400
From: "J. Stephen Gula" <loco3kgt@creepingdeath.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Ground Control Group Purchase
Hey guys,
just letting you know
the group purchase ends Friday. The discount is
at 20% on the kits and
discounted prices on any extra parts. Go to:
http://www.logitrak.com/glen/gcinfo.htm
And
fill out the information there, or call the Ground Control folks
(website
is www.ground-control.com ) and tell them
you want in on the
group purchase.
Best of luck. I'd get in on it if I
didn't have to cough up money for
college books.
- --Steve "Loco3KGT"
Gula
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