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Team3S Digest         Tuesday, August 17 1999         Volume 01 : Number 260




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Date: 16 Aug 99 18:48:34 MDT
From: Mark Creekmore <mcreekmore@usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Team3S: Ground Control Qs]

Merritt,

The iebach springs replace the the stock springs.

When I had my Stealth re-aligned and balanced my mechanic used the stock
settings, and your right, the adjustments weren't good enough. He was able  to
elongate the adjustment holes and bring the car back to factory specs. The
shop that I use also races stock cars. They have all of the laser alignment
equipment and a good set of wheel scales.

I hope this helps,

Mark


Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net> wrote:
My mechanic took one look at the Ground Control kit and had three questions:

1.  Do these little bitty Iebach springs go inside those great big front
springs or do they replace them? (I was wondering the same thing).
2.  OK, so we lower the car one inch.  What are the new alignment settings?
(apparently, some spring mfgs are kind enough to supply such information
for lowering a car). Or is it same as stock?
3.  How do I adjust the rear alignment? (He's worried that when it's
lowered one inch, there'll be too much camber back there, and he's not sure
he can adjust it out).

I've looked at what passes for GC documentation, and I can't answer his
questions. I've started dumping pages off the shop manual CD-ROM, but I
haven't found any answers in there (yet), either. We may be putting these
puppies on this week, so:

Anybody got any answers?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4






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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:14:30 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: more brake stuff

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:36 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: more brake stuff


>If I remember correctly, two of the pads should have the squeal indicators.
>The correct mounting is on the inside pad.
>Regarding VR-4 brakes:  I recently ordered a set of pads for the front
>brakes on my '95 VR-4, from Tallassee Mitsubishi.  I noticed that only one
>of the four pads had metal "fingers" which would squeal when you began to
>run out of pad thickness.  Is this normal; or should all pads have wear
>"squeal" members?


Brad-
Thanks for the info!
Regards,
ptg

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:25:41 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@unconundrum.com>
Subject: Team3S: ANyone have or use the Blitz turbo timer and boost gauge?

I have the Dual Blitz turbo timer and boost gauge.  I have the HKS EVC IV
set at 1.10 but the boost gauge in first gear only hits .75.  I would have
thought it would hit 110.  AM I wrong?  Anyone tell me what their boost
gauge reads?
Thanks

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:28:05 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Where is coolant level sensor?

Going around a sharp my coolant low level light flickers - hard right turns
only. I added coolant to the reservoir - no change. Will it take a few
warm-up/cool-down cycles to draw the new coolant into the radiator/engine
cooling system? Do I have a sensor about to fritz? Where is the sensor -
engine block? radiator? bottom of the reservoir?

Thanks for any info I can get!

Paul Klusman
'91 VR4
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:06:34 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Minimum brake rotor thickness

Can anybody tell me the minimum thickness for front rotors on a '91 vr4? I've
got some at 1.183" Are these too thin to remove material yet?

Thanks!

Paul Klusman
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:43:53 -0500
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Boost guage tapping (caution)

A word of caution to anyone installing a boost guage.

The best place IS the brake booster hose. It goes from the back of the
intake plenum (near the throttle body, substantial hose) to the brake
booster (above your steering linkage). Tee it off and run a silicon hose to
the cockpit for your guage.

The caution part is... DON'T JUST REPLACE that hose with a large diameter
silicon hose (like I tried). Guess what... you can't STOP if you are coming
off boost! (the brakes are ROCK HARD).

The STOCK hose has a "one way valve" in it. I assume it keeps boost pressure
from messing with the power assist portion of the brake booster. You CAN
push the one way valve out and try to install it in another hose, but I
don't recommend it. You should have seen my face as I came up to the stop
sign and almost flew through it (can we say DOWN SHIFT??? :)

Vineet Singh
Manuals On CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org  -  "Never Lift To Shift!"

(PS: I kicked a mechtec 5.0 mustangs ass! with slicks in back, skinny's up
front and loud exhaust. We were dead even until he had to shift at what
seemed like 5-6k rpm (his car).. I carried on to 7k, and shifted quicker
than you can say WOW, and got about a doors length ahead of him. We never (I
didn't atleast) see 3rd, as we were already 15 over the speed limit (55). He
rolled his window down at the next lite and asked if it was twin turbo and I
said yes.. and it's mostly STOCK! :)

Then my wife (following in the 91 AWD A/T Talon) also blew past him at the
next light. We were toying with each other for about 3 miles before we waved
and went our different ways. I must have humbled him tonite :)

Oh yea, according to him... it's a BAD ASS RIDE :) Mitsu's RULE! :) (can you
tell I'm happy tonite? :) :) :)
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:48:28 -0500
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Messed up stock IC's?

One more thing. Earlier today, I went to inspect both of the IC's (stock for
now). To my dismay, I saw that the passenger side one is kinda mangled up
(the fins are 30-40% smushed), and the drivers side one isn't much better
(20-25% mushed up).

Anyone have decent stock IC's for sale? Anyone know if the stock DSM IC is
an "upgrade" (they were designed with larger 14b's in mind, so I would think
so!)

Are the stock IC endtanks PLASTIC??? (like the rads?) They LOOK that way!

Vineet Singh
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:41:07 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ground Control Qs

I've posted this before, but some of you are new or missed it. The
rear suspension mod for returning the camber to normal after
installing lowering springs is as follows.

The lower control arm has an eccentric head bolt that rides against
the yoke that holds the control arm. Loosening this bolt allows
rotating the bolt head with the eccentric to get camber adjustment.
With lowering springs there may not be enough stock adjustment to
overcome negative camber. From the rear of car, wheels look like they
are squatting. /\ You need extra adjustment. Elongate the holes, from
center of car towards the wheel, in the upper control arm yokes to
push the top of the wheel out. It will take about an 1/8" to get you
back to 'Zero' if you are between .75 to 1.23 degrees negative camber.
The bolt that holds the control arm in the yoke is big, 17 mm to 19
mm. Once torque down the control arm won't move on you. This leaves
the lower control arm can then still be used for fine adjustment.

The same can be done with the front with the strut tower mounting
holes. Elongate them towards the wheel.

This must be done carefully, no sloppy make the hole bigger all around
or you will affect other adjustments on your alignment. Nice straight,
same width elongation.

I have basic, Windows draw, art and basic text as an attachment, if
anyone wants it, E-mail me off line so as not to clog the list.

Ron


Merritt wrote:
>
> My mechanic took one look at the Ground Control kit and had three questions:
>
> 1.  Do these little bitty Iebach springs go inside those great big front
> springs or do they replace them? (I was wondering the same thing).
> 2.  OK, so we lower the car one inch.  What are the new alignment settings?
> (apparently, some spring mfgs are kind enough to supply such information
> for lowering a car). Or is it same as stock?
> 3.  How do I adjust the rear alignment? (He's worried that when it's
> lowered one inch, there'll be too much camber back there, and he's not sure
> he can adjust it out).
>
> I've looked at what passes for GC documentation, and I can't answer his
> questions. I've started dumping pages off the shop manual CD-ROM, but I
> haven't found any answers in there (yet), either. We may be putting these
> puppies on this week, so:
>
> Anybody got any answers?
>
> Rich/old poop/94 VR4
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:52:40 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Ground Control Qs

>1.  Do these little bitty Iebach springs go inside those great big front
>springs or do they replace them? (I was wondering the same thing).
>2.  OK, so we lower the car one inch.  What are the new alignment settings?
>(apparently, some spring mfgs are kind enough to supply such information
>for lowering a car). Or is it same as stock?
>3.  How do I adjust the rear alignment? (He's worried that when it's
>lowered one inch, there'll be too much camber back there, and he's not sure
>he can adjust it out).
Rich-
Old Poop,(you are probably younger than I); but I would sure
like to know the answers to your questions here. Namely, how
much do the Eibachs (spring-overs), allow you to lower the car;
what are the new spring rates that result; how much are jounce
and rebound travel changed, and do the existing camber adjustments
(front and rear) allow you to get back to near stock (no high-
wearing) camber angles.  I'd be priviliged to hear what you learn.
Regards,
ptg

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:12:25 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Team3S: Where is coolant level sensor?

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In a message dated 8/16/99 9:29:07 PM Central Daylight Time, Klusmanp@aol.com
writes:

<< Going around a sharp my coolant low level light flickers - hard right
turns
 only. I added coolant to the reservoir - no change. Will it take a few
 warm-up/cool-down cycles to draw the new coolant into the radiator/engine
 cooling system? Do I have a sensor about to fritz? Where is the sensor -
 engine block? radiator? bottom of the reservoir?
 
 Thanks for any info I can get!
 
 Paul Klusman
 '91 VR4
  >>

Paul,
   
    Sometimes people mistake the low coolant level indicator for the low
windshield washer indicator (and vice versa);  I would first top off your
windshield washer fluid reservoir first; then take a test run and take some
sharp right and left turns!!  Chances are that will resolve your problem.

Good luck,

Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4
GReddy Profec B boost controller, GReddy turbo timer, Apex'i sequential
b.o.v., SPI motorsport boost gauge & pillar pod, K&N filtercharger, Alamo
Downpipe, Hi-flow cat, Borla exhaust, Magnecore 8.5mm wires & new NGK spark
plugs gapped at .032, Apex'i New liquid crystal Super AFC (not installed
yet), KVR Cross drilled rotors with carbon fiber pads, Nitto Power Extreme
NT-555 (255/40/17's) tires, Enkei RP-O1 17x9 (42mm offset) racing wheels &
Eibach Pro-Kit Springs (not installed yet).  Coming soon:  Turbo upgrade,
550cc. injectors & HKS fuel pump (hopefully all will be installed before
Sept. 12th & 18th.)
&
1987 Grand National (for sale): way too many mods to list! 
 


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:14:00 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Messed up stock IC's?

In a message dated 8/16/99 10:40:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
billi_gates@hotmail.com writes:

<< One more thing. Earlier today, I went to inspect both of the IC's (stock
for
 now). To my dismay, I saw that the passenger side one is kinda mangled up
 (the fins are 30-40% smushed), and the drivers side one isn't much better
 (20-25% mushed up).
  >>
 
Hey Vineet,
   
    My stock sidemount IC's are also mangled up due to rocks and debris
hitting them at low and high speeds (probably mostly HIGH speeds - lol  ;). I
haven't noted any problems; I am in the process of hopefully acquiring a new
upgraded IC kit; so I will have my stock ones available sometime soon (maybe
within a month or two).  But in the meantime, I think you'll be fine with
your stock ones for now (several of us have the same "mangled" up fins you
mentioned and the performance of our cars seem fine.  I'll email you and post
to the lists when I have my stock IC's available.

Talk to later,

Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4
GReddy Profec B boost controller, GReddy turbo timer, Apex'i sequential
b.o.v., SPI motorsport boost gauge & pillar pod, K&N filtercharger, Alamo
Downpipe, Hi-flow cat, Borla exhaust, Magnecore 8.5mm wires & new NGK spark
plugs gapped at .032, Apex'i New liquid crystal Super AFC (not installed
yet), KVR Cross drilled rotors with carbon fiber pads, Nitto Power Extreme
NT-555 (255/40/17's) tires, Enkei RP-O1 17x9 (42mm offset) racing wheels &
Eibach Pro-Kit Springs (not installed yet).  Coming soon:  Turbo upgrade,
550cc. injectors & HKS fuel pump (hopefully all will be installed before
Sept. 12th & 18th.)
&
1987 Grand National (for sale): way too many mods to list! 

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:17:02 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Ground Control

Hi

I just received my ground control kit, looks great but I haven't received any of the rubber parts that are mentioned in the installation description.

Have you guys received any rubber parts ???

/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:29:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

What is MTBE?

Also, do you know what the other fellow who said that the Mobil 1 filter
was "lacking something" was talking about?

I've compared diagrams of Mobil 1 and other filters and it looks like
everything is in place.

mb

PS Spent almost $30 to change my oil - in just supplies! If anyone knows
of somewhere cheap I can pick up Mobil 1 near Boston, please advise.

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:00:18 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Minimum brake rotor thickness

> Can anybody tell me the minimum thickness for front rotors on a '91 vr4? I've
> got some at 1.183" Are these too thin to remove material yet?

I think it is 1.250".  It may be stamped somewhere on the disk, usually on the
inside of OEM disks.  Perhaps someone with a manual can give specifics.
- --
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:14:12 -0500
From: Gabriel Estrada <typhoonzz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

I don't know if you have a Wal-mart near you, but in the Kansas City area I
found that they have the 5 gallon containers for around $14.  For the most
part, it is never cheap, but by stopping and adding, you can actually get 6
quarts individually for about $3 less than by getting it in the sixpacks.
Go figure, you are paying $3 for a nice little box
Gabe Estrada
94 Pearl Yellow 3000 GT VR-4
92 Gmc Typhoon
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
To: Terry Swift <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Cc: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level


> What is MTBE?
>
> Also, do you know what the other fellow who said that the Mobil 1 filter
> was "lacking something" was talking about?
>
> I've compared diagrams of Mobil 1 and other filters and it looks like
> everything is in place.
>
> mb
>
> PS Spent almost $30 to change my oil - in just supplies! If anyone knows
> of somewhere cheap I can pick up Mobil 1 near Boston, please advise.
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:53:51 +0100
From: "Noel Desnos" <NoelDesnos@totalise.co.uk>
Subject: Team3S: Stiff gear shift

Hi

the gear shift from 1st to 2nd is stiff when my car is in motion.  When the
engine is not running the grear shift is much easier.

This is on a 95 GTO 6 speed manual with 25k miles

Any ideas on the cause/cure

Thanks

Noel

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:26:51 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: MTBE, Mobil-1filter... (was: Gas & Oil Level...)

- -----Original Message-----From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
>What is MTBE?

"WHEN the environmental finger was pointed at TEL (tetra-ethyl lead)
as a health risk because of its lead content, a complex chemical was
waiting in the wings to replace it. That was how MTBE--methyl tertiary
butyl ether--came to be used as an octane-boosting, knock-reducing
agent in today’s unleaded gasoline. MTBE has since been touted to also
be a CO reducer. That aside, MTBE is now a major constituent of RFG
(reformulated gasoline), which is specified for many non-compliance,
poor air quality markets as a means of reducing harmful automotive
exhaust emissions during the year, particularly during the winter
months."
- ---according to auto-talk.com...


>Also, do you know what the other fellow who said that the Mobil 1
filter
>was "lacking something" was talking about?
>I've compared diagrams of Mobil 1 and other filters and it looks like
>everything is in place.

I was the "other fellow" who said that, and it looks like I was
wrong...  I had thought I heard that about Mobil 1 filters, but I must
have been thinking of another filter--  And I was hoping someone else
on the list with a better memory would come up with "chapter and
verse..." on the 'problem filter' but no one has...  Other folks on
the list have said the Mobil 1 filter is fine, so I guess I was
thinking of another filter as being problematic.   Oh, well..., as
'Emily Latella' would say on SNL...,  "Never Mind!"  :-)

F





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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:55:48 -0400
From: "Wallis, Gavin" <WallisG@MWAA.com>
Subject: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

Anybody have them? As much detail as possible....ramble please :). I'm going
to be getting one soon.

- -G
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:07:52 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Eibach Pro-Kit Lowering Springs...  Stealth "Camber Kit"?

I faxed Ron's great instructions to the dealer who is doing the
installation of my Eibachs.  The service rep said that my car ('94
Stealth NT base) already had a "Camber Kit" in place, and he didn't
know if my (Ron's) adjustments would be necessary.  I must admit to
not knowing why I've got a "Camber Kit" (which I thought was an
aftermarket add-on) on a base model car that I bought new...  Can
someone please advise...?  Was this standard???

TIA,

Forrest

- -----Original Message-----From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
>I've posted this before, but some of you are new or missed it. The
>rear suspension mod for returning the camber to normal after
>installing lowering springs is as follows.
>
>The lower control arm has an eccentric head bolt that rides against
>the yoke that holds the control arm. Loosening this bolt allows
>rotating the bolt head with the eccentric to get camber adjustment.
>With lowering springs there may not be enough stock adjustment to
>overcome negative camber. From the rear of car, wheels look like they
>are squatting. /\ You need extra adjustment. Elongate the holes, from
>center of car towards the wheel, in the upper control arm yokes to
>push the top of the wheel out. It will take about an 1/8" to get you
>back to 'Zero' if you are between .75 to 1.23 degrees negative
camber.
>The bolt that holds the control arm in the yoke is big, 17 mm to 19
>mm. Once torque down the control arm won't move on you. This leaves
>the lower control arm can then still be used for fine adjustment.
>
>The same can be done with the front with the strut tower mounting
>holes. Elongate them towards the wheel.
>
>This must be done carefully, no sloppy make the hole bigger all
around
>or you will affect other adjustments on your alignment. Nice
straight,
>same width elongation.




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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:44:41 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

Gavin, et al;

I was planning on a report on RPS  in the near future, but I guess sooner is better than
later. I was hoping for an update from Roger on his situation before posting, but he
can  amend or add as he sees fit, as the Group Purchase leader.  I do know, because of
his location in Switzerland, that the logistics of the order were more complicated for
him, than for me, and for me, it was more complicated than those inside the country.

As you all know we purchased (Group Purchase) through Frank and Matt at Accelerated
Accessories.  Shortly after the orders were filled and started to go out to the
prospective clients, Frank advised me and others who purchased the carbon turbo to
contact Rob at RPS as soon as possible for potential problems. Apparently there had been
some problems in production, discovered after the fact, and to insure that none of our
clutches were faulty, Rob asked for a recall. He also recalled the pressure plate at the
same time to insure quality control had not been compromised by a newly trained worker.
So my whole package did a round trip from RPS to Canada and back. Rob was especially
apologetic, professional, and courteous, and guaranteed satisfaction with a new improved
disc (based on a better and more homogeneous resin/fiber mix,  used in an improved mold
for the second run). The round trip and delay  added about a month extra to the time
involved, but RPS (Rob) reimbursed me $200 for the hassle, added expenses, offset to
reinstallation, etc.  This was stand up thing to do in my opinion, as it is not  noted
in the warranty that this sort of assistance would be afforded, and it implies the
opposite. and, I was offered the partial reimbursement without asking for it. So, my
view at this point, is that customer relations, and a quality product are very important
to RPS. As I have not installed the product (just received) it is not within my scope to
comment on it's attributes. However, if it performs up to it's manufactures
expectations, up to their high standards of quality control and customer satisfaction,
then it should be a winner.

Best

Darc

Wallis, Gavin wrote:

> Anybody have them? As much detail as possible....ramble please :). I'm going
> to be getting one soon.
>
> -G
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:00:56 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

As an aside, but related...  I was part of the Group Purchase, but
ordered the RPS Carbon Claw for my Stealth NT.  As Matt said, RPS
production was delayed for a while, but the clutch and throw-out
bearing (shipped separately) arrived as promised.  My Dodge dealer
installed it for me, and I couldn't be happier.  It grabs a lot
quicker than the stock clutch, and you CAN slip it, once you get used
to it, but it feels like it really WANTS to engage tightly.  I'm still
in the break-in period, so I haven't tested it fully, but this clutch
feels about perfect to me.

A great product at a great price, IMO...

Forrest

- -----Original Message-----From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
>Gavin, et al;
>
>I was planning on a report on RPS  in the near future, but I guess
sooner is better than
>later. I was hoping for an update from Roger on his situation before
posting, but he
>can  amend or add as he sees fit, as the Group Purchase leader.  I do
know, because of
>his location in Switzerland, that the logistics of the order were
more complicated for
>him, than for me, and for me, it was more complicated than those
inside the country.
>
>As you all know we purchased (Group Purchase) through Frank and Matt
at Accelerated
>Accessories.  Shortly after the orders were filled and started to go
out to the
>prospective clients, Frank advised me and others who purchased the
carbon turbo to
>contact Rob at RPS as soon as possible for potential problems.
Apparently there had been
>some problems in production, discovered after the fact, and to insure
that none of our
>clutches were faulty, Rob asked for a recall. He also recalled the
pressure plate at the
>same time to insure quality control had not been compromised by a
newly trained worker.
>So my whole package did a round trip from RPS to Canada and back. Rob
was especially
>apologetic, professional, and courteous, and guaranteed satisfaction
with a new improved
>disc (based on a better and more homogeneous resin/fiber mix,  used
in an improved mold
>for the second run). The round trip and delay  added about a month
extra to the time
>involved, but RPS (Rob) reimbursed me $200 for the hassle, added
expenses, offset to
>reinstallation, etc.  This was stand up thing to do in my opinion, as
it is not  noted
>in the warranty that this sort of assistance would be afforded, and
it implies the
>opposite. and, I was offered the partial reimbursement without asking
for it. So, my
>view at this point, is that customer relations, and a quality product
are very important
>to RPS. As I have not installed the product (just received) it is not
within my scope to
>comment on it's attributes. However, if it performs up to it's
manufactures
>expectations, up to their high standards of quality control and
customer satisfaction,
>then it should be a winner.




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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:10:16 GMT
From: "Michael Reiss" <michael_reiss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

Recall?   When was RPS going to contact the other people involved
with the group purchase of substandard TC clutches.
Can I send mine back to have it replaced with the "new and improved"
disc? Any one have Robs direct #?


- ----Original Message Follows----
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Reply-To: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
To: "Wallis, Gavin" <WallisG@MWAA.com>
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:44:41 -0700

Gavin, et al;

I was planning on a report on RPS  in the near future, but I guess sooner is
better than
later. I was hoping for an update from Roger on his situation before
posting, but he
can  amend or add as he sees fit, as the Group Purchase leader.  I do know,
because of
his location in Switzerland, that the logistics of the order were more
complicated for
him, than for me, and for me, it was more complicated than those inside the
country.

As you all know we purchased (Group Purchase) through Frank and Matt at
Accelerated
Accessories.  Shortly after the orders were filled and started to go out to
the
prospective clients, Frank advised me and others who purchased the carbon
turbo to
contact Rob at RPS as soon as possible for potential problems. Apparently
there had been
some problems in production, discovered after the fact, and to insure that
none of our
clutches were faulty, Rob asked for a recall. He also recalled the pressure
plate at the
same time to insure quality control had not been compromised by a newly
trained worker.
So my whole package did a round trip from RPS to Canada and back. Rob was
especially
apologetic, professional, and courteous, and guaranteed satisfaction with a
new improved
disc (based on a better and more homogeneous resin/fiber mix,  used in an
improved mold
for the second run). The round trip and delay  added about a month extra to
the time
involved, but RPS (Rob) reimbursed me $200 for the hassle, added expenses,
offset to
reinstallation, etc.  This was stand up thing to do in my opinion, as it is
not  noted
in the warranty that this sort of assistance would be afforded, and it
implies the
opposite. and, I was offered the partial reimbursement without asking for
it. So, my
view at this point, is that customer relations, and a quality product are
very important
to RPS. As I have not installed the product (just received) it is not within
my scope to
comment on it's attributes. However, if it performs up to it's manufactures
expectations, up to their high standards of quality control and customer
satisfaction,
then it should be a winner.

Best

Darc

Wallis, Gavin wrote:

 > Anybody have them? As much detail as possible....ramble please :). I'm
going
 > to be getting one soon.
 >
 > -G
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:22:16 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

I second Gabe's idea of WalMart.  Though the only 5 Qt. Jug I've seen there is Castrol Syntec 5-50 (no booing / hissing from the Mobil 1 crowd).  That makes it under $3 per qt., whereas the regular 1 quarters go for about $3.60 and Mobil 1 - their new tri-blend- is almost $4.  Even saw K-Mart advertising it (On Sale) at $16.

As for the filter, I have no clue - as the Mobil 1 has the anti-drain valve, uses a synthetic (NOT PAPER) filtering media, and the can construction is very good.  I've used the K&N as well, which seems to be almost the exact same as the Mobil, but about $1 cheaper.  My oil pressure has been MUCH better since swapping over from FRAM.

MTBE - not sure exactly what the name means - me and chemistry never got along real well, but its an additive that CA started using a few years back to reduce smog / emissions.  The last year or so, they found significant traces of this chemical in lakes and rivers and the fight is on by environmentalists, etc. to remove it as it is a known carcinogen.  Lake Tahoe's levels were increasing at an astounding rate, due to all the vehicular water traffic and no where for it to go.

- --

On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:14:12   Gabriel Estrada wrote:
>I don't know if you have a Wal-mart near you, but in the Kansas City area I
>found that they have the 5 gallon containers for around $14.  For the most
>part, it is never cheap, but by stopping and adding, you can actually get 6
>quarts individually for about $3 less than by getting it in the sixpacks.
>Go figure, you are paying $3 for a nice little box
>Gabe Estrada
>94 Pearl Yellow 3000 GT VR-4
>92 Gmc Typhoon
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
>To: Terry Swift <tlswift@hotbot.com>
>Cc: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:29 AM
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level
>
>
>> What is MTBE?
>>
>> Also, do you know what the other fellow who said that the Mobil 1 filter
>> was "lacking something" was talking about?
>>
>> I've compared diagrams of Mobil 1 and other filters and it looks like
>> everything is in place.
>>
>> mb
>>
>> PS Spent almost $30 to change my oil - in just supplies! If anyone knows
>> of somewhere cheap I can pick up Mobil 1 near Boston, please advise.
>>
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:57:03 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

> Recall?   When was RPS going to contact the other people involved
> with the group purchase of substandard TC clutches.
> Can I send mine back to have it replaced with the "new and improved"
> disc? Any one have Robs direct #?
====================================================

Ditto --- I was about to ask the group what the situation was with the
clutches. I have not installed mine and was holding off until I get my
tranny replaced. Was this a general recall or a specific unit recall.
I have no desire to install it and then find out it is defective

    Jim Berry

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:55:07 -0700
From: Todd Leveck <todd.leveck@hyattdiecast.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Where is coolant level sensor?

Are you sure this is not your windshield washer reservoir light, indicating
a low
fluid condition?

todd
93 vr4


- -----Original Message-----
From: Klusmanp@aol.com [mailto:Klusmanp@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 7:28 PM
To:
Subject: Team3S: Where is coolant level sensor?


Going around a sharp my coolant low level light flickers - hard right turns
only. I added coolant to the reservoir - no change. Will it take a few
warm-up/cool-down cycles to draw the new coolant into the radiator/engine
cooling system? Do I have a sensor about to fritz? Where is the sensor -
engine block? radiator? bottom of the reservoir?

Thanks for any info I can get!

Paul Klusman
'91 VR4
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:05:29 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

>Recall?   When was RPS going to contact the other people involved
>with the group purchase of substandard TC clutches.
>Can I send mine back to have it replaced with the "new and improved"
>disc? Any one have Robs direct #?

Ok, there is an important part Darcy left out in his post.

We and only 1 or 2 others have been the last ones that got the clutches
shipped. The others who got their clutches received parts out of an earlier,
good production. Ours came later from the newer production where they made a
mistake (Darcy explained this already). Out of the same production line,
some Supra guys got their clutch, installed it and immediatly runned into
problems. Rob acted quickly when he found out the problem and we have been
informed by AccelleratedAcc. to check the stuf.f Unfortunately, Darc had it
then already in the car and mine where somewhere on the Atlantic Ocean.

I understand that you and others are now worried about the clutch but Rob
said that the first sent series are ok. If you still feel worried please
contact either Acc.Acc. (way too long name) or Rob from RPS directly. Phone
numbers can be get directly from their homepages (RPS has a link on my $$$
page)

Sorry for the confusing !

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:31:24 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

The "production time" of the clutches had to be  pretty large.  I received
my clutch at least 3 months before anyone started talking about group
purchase.

Exactly how big of a production run are we talking here?



Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of R.G.
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 6:05 PM
To: Michael Reiss; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

>Recall?   When was RPS going to contact the other people involved
>with the group purchase of substandard TC clutches.
>Can I send mine back to have it replaced with the "new and improved"
>disc? Any one have Robs direct #?

Ok, there is an important part Darcy left out in his post.

We and only 1 or 2 others have been the last ones that got the clutches
shipped. The others who got their clutches received parts out of an earlier,
good production. Ours came later from the newer production where they made a
mistake (Darcy explained this already). Out of the same production line,
some Supra guys got their clutch, installed it and immediatly runned into
problems. Rob acted quickly when he found out the problem and we have been
informed by AccelleratedAcc. to check the stuf.f Unfortunately, Darc had it
then already in the car and mine where somewhere on the Atlantic Ocean.

I understand that you and others are now worried about the clutch but Rob
said that the first sent series are ok. If you still feel worried please
contact either Acc.Acc. (way too long name) or Rob from RPS directly. Phone
numbers can be get directly from their homepages (RPS has a link on my $$$
page)

Sorry for the confusing !

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:31:24 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

But let me tell all of you how much fun it is to install a clutch that slips
the first time out...(twice now)


I would have liked a "notice" about my defective clutch up front.

I'm just glad RPS stands behind their products.

Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Jim Berry
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 5:57 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch


> Recall?   When was RPS going to contact the other people involved
> with the group purchase of substandard TC clutches.
> Can I send mine back to have it replaced with the "new and improved"
> disc? Any one have Robs direct #?
====================================================

Ditto --- I was about to ask the group what the situation was with the
clutches. I have not installed mine and was holding off until I get my
tranny replaced. Was this a general recall or a specific unit recall.
I have no desire to install it and then find out it is defective

    Jim Berry

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:28:23 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: Clutch

Group;

I heard today from a friend who had just installed the new
"improved" SAVC-R.  He got it in a Group Order that was cheaper
by $30 than what  I paid for my SAVC-R in my Group Order just a
short while back. Mine is not the new improved just released
model. But, hey, mine works very well, and I'm happy. If I
continue to compare, I'll likely not be as happy. Some things in
life are just this way...so "BE HAPPY"

In the case of the RPS order, some faults were found and
corrected on a small number of orders. Rob did his very best to
make those customers happy. However, the key words are "some
faults" and this does not apply uniformly to every clutch RPS has
ever made. It was apparently only a small run and only a few were
in that run. Rob has contacted those involved and I believe if
you have not been contacted, you have nothing to worry about with
the product you have. Creating a tempest in a teacup is
counterproductive.

Best

Darc

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:32:33 EDT
From: TJHTAX@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch

Would anyone that bought the clutch in a TT car do it again, or is there a
better clutch out there to be had.
Tom 91 VR4
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:08:27 -0400
From: "Pete Ryner" <pryner@ij.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Minimum brake rotor thickness

According to my factory manual the minimum thickness for the front rotors on
a AWD is 28.4mm or 1.12"  If you're interested, the rear is 18.4mm or .72"
Pete Ryner
'91 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Ken Middaugh
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 12:00 PM
To: Klusmanp@aol.com
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Minimum brake rotor thickness


> Can anybody tell me the minimum thickness for front rotors on a '91 vr4?
I've
> got some at 1.183" Are these too thin to remove material yet?

I think it is 1.250".  It may be stamped somewhere on the disk, usually on
the
inside of OEM disks.  Perhaps someone with a manual can give specifics.
- --
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

Ken Middaugh            (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:30:55 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Paul Klusman wins turbo-dork award (was where is coolant sensor?)

Sorry to waste more band width on the subject, but I couldn't help laughing
at myself after seeing 8 or 10 replies to my cooland level sensor question.

...uhhhh   ...gee      that, uhhh      ...windshield washer fluid light kind
of looks like a     ...ummm        ... coolant level light     .... heh   
...heh.

Guess I'll double check the ol'      O W N E R 'S   M A N U A L !!!!   next
time.

But thanks for all the kind replies :)

Paul Klusman
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