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Team3S Digest         Sunday, August 15 1999         Volume 01 : Number 258




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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:46:41 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Kudzus -- never mind

As luck would have it, I  found the Le Mans results immediately after I
sent the message.
As Emily would say, "never mind."

Thanks anyway. I know one of you woulda found it.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:23:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Upgrading brakes -proportioning valve-

(posted this one before, but didn't hear anything)

Hello folks!

   I know that the subject of brake upgrades has been a popular one in the
past, with various reviews of various set-ups.
Most recently, the Porsche 993 bi-turbo set-up has been considered a popular
alternative.

One of the complaints about the braking systems of the 3/S cars has been the
lack of support of the rears in assisting the stopping of the vehicle.

Has anyone considered using an other-than-OEM proportioning valve for our
cars?
A portion of the following web page discusses changing out stock Porshce
proportioning valve with the one from a 993 bi-turbo:
    http://www.pca.org/rrr/tech/faq14.htm

If this could be done to our 3/S cars, wouldn't this help slow these fat
hogs down? ;)

What do you think?

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:43:41 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrading brakes -proportioning valve-

The proportionaing valve is only one part of the equation and actually comes
into play after other steps have been taken.

Think about this extreme case:  100% braking applied to the rear with 100%
weight transfer to the front.  That'd be pretty ineffective.  Obviously this
is not reality but it illustrates the point.  Proportioning valves only help
if weight transfer is also under control.  You WANT the brakes carrying the
most weight doing a proportional amount of the work.  Most of the weight
under braking is carried by the front of the car.  To get the rear end doing
more braking you don't want to make them brake harder (they'll lock up
sooner _reducing_ overall braking effectiveness) without making sure they
are carrying more of the weight.  Even then you want to make sure everything
is in proportion.

The key to good braking (other than the obvious - good pads, rotors and
calipers) is to first get the suspension balanced properly, the weight of
the car reduced if possible, then worry about proportioning.

There are after market cockpit adjustable proprtioning valves available.  I
have even seen computer controlled proportioning valves described which
adapt as Gs change.  These may even have found their way into consumer cars.
Dunno but it seems logical.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Dennis G.
> Bretton
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 1:24 PM
> To: TEAM 3S List
> Subject: Team3S: Upgrading brakes -proportioning valve-
>
>
> (posted this one before, but didn't hear anything)
>
> Hello folks!
>
>    I know that the subject of brake upgrades has been a popular
> one in the
> past, with various reviews of various set-ups.
> Most recently, the Porsche 993 bi-turbo set-up has been
> considered a popular
> alternative.
>
> One of the complaints about the braking systems of the 3/S cars
> has been the
> lack of support of the rears in assisting the stopping of the vehicle.
>
> Has anyone considered using an other-than-OEM proportioning valve for our
> cars?
> A portion of the following web page discusses changing out stock Porshce
> proportioning valve with the one from a 993 bi-turbo:
>     http://www.pca.org/rrr/tech/faq14.htm
>
> If this could be done to our 3/S cars, wouldn't this help slow these fat
> hogs down? ;)
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards,
>    Dennis
>
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:39:13 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@unconundrum.com>
Subject: Team3S: I need some help figuring what I have

Well here is my status.  I bought  a car which had been in an accident and
had a NY police sticker on the front windshield.  As far as I knew it was
stock.  I came to a huge surprise.  I drove it and the turbo's  kicked in at
1800 rpms and were at 16 on the boost gauge by 2300-2400 rpms.  It held this
straight through 6000 rpms.  How can I tell if the turbo's have been
upgraded, chip upgraded, and or injectors?  I never expected this but boy
was I in for a surprise.  The car is really wicked.  Thanks for any info.
Joshua
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:43:23 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrading brakes -proportioning valve-

>One of the complaints about the braking systems of the 3/S cars has been the
>lack of support of the rears in assisting the stopping of the vehicle.

The folks at Porterfield say that by using a better pad in the rear, it
will increase braking back there.
I may try that next, after I make sure my fronts are up to snuff.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:03:02 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrading brakes -proportioning valve-

I for myself would not touch the proportioning stuff as I just don^t know
who the stuff acts in a emergency situation. Maybe good, mabye bad. Even
more, making changes in these parts will cause in loosing every insurance
coverage here :-(

>The folks at Porterfield say that by using a better pad in the rear, it
>will increase braking back there.

I can double this ! I furst ran the Bremsas in the front and after two
months I got the rear ones with some better pads. The result was that the
car feels more, much more stable during brakings into turns. before that I
felt the back moving in very hard braking situations and this is totally
gone. Even more when running winter tires the feeling is much better.

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:08:53 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: I need some help figuring what I have

>stock.  I came to a huge surprise.  I drove it and the turbo's  kicked in
at
>1800 rpms and were at 16 on the boost gauge by 2300-2400 rpms.

Therefore it has an aftermarket boost gauge installed ?

> It held this straight through 6000 rpms.  How can I tell if the turbo's
have been
>upgraded, chip upgraded, and or injectors?  I never expected this but boy
>was I in for a surprise.  The car is really wicked.  Thanks for any info.

If you have bigger injectors there must also be a controller for it. If you
haven't foudn it yet, I doubt that there is one. Another possibilty could be
an FCON or a ECU upgrade.

1800 and full boost ??? No, simply not possible on a 3l with turbos. If you
looked at the stock boost meter just forget it ! I pegs on the top if it
uses another fuel map or so. To make sure what you really run, take an
aftermarket bosot gauge and T it into a plenum hose. I would say that
someone maybe isntalled a bleeder valve and the car is maybe boosting too
high.

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:56:47 -0600
From: "Ricardo Cousar" <rcousar@edss.com>
Subject: Team3S: Mods Needed

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:07:22 -0600
From: "Ricardo Cousar" <rcousar@edss.com>
Subject: Team3S: Mods

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:01:27 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mods

Look at www.alteredatmosphere.com (Mike) East Coast,  www.acceleratedaccessories.com (Matt) East Coast, or www.apexvr4.com (Indra) Phoenix, AZ; at their staging setup.  All are about identical, so it lets you progress upwards with a planned way of upgrading.  Both shops deal with the TT's and have very good prices, plus they are willing to talk with you on what you're trying to do and how much you have to spend.
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:02:51 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S: More WI results (temperature)

Building the 3D map on the ERL WIS is not the easist thing and hey, our cars
need a lot of water.

I'm stuck at the moment because I'm awaiting larger jets from the UK (a full
set for free !) as well as I have to increase water pressure from more flow.

My intensive test runs yesterday showed a significant decrease in knock
after the adjustables where set at their max level. But knock was still
there and I will go on soon. During my tests I did some temperature tests
with a wire prope just infront the TB. Here some important results :

1. without WI : 144°F max (almost 20°F more than Brads FMIC setup)
2. WI test 1 : 122°F (calculated curve)
3. WI test 2 : 121°F (slightly adjusted curve)
4. WI test 3 : 112°F (full water delivery with what is available at the
moment)

All the tests are replicable and show the very same results even with an
ambient temp change of 15°F from day to evening. There is absolutely no
difference infront the TB then.

With the WI I felt an immediate better response of the car and I think this
is due to the denser air. Switching the WI off felt like the car took longer
to climb the rpms. Knock was cut in half at 15.5psi boost but still there.
No retard anymore with an amount of about 18 compared to over 30 to 45
before.

Please note, my current setup consits of one water jet inserted in the
y-pipe at the front head and a larger jet in the y-pipe right after the BOV
outlet. The first one adds intercooling (do I really need a FMIC) while the
second one controls detonation.

More to come soon...

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:52:28 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S: IC Temperatures (we have to do something)

During my tests I noticed that the small metallic intercooler pipe mounted
to the front head is getting damn hot ! This is why I mounted one of the
jets to this location. But the pipe is getting 185°F hot !! This because it
is mounted above the front turbo as well to the head and close to the water
hose going to the radiator. Everything is damn hot there ! The other
metallic tube comming up from the left IC is much, much colder.

Now, we don't know how this heat will be transfered to the pressurized air
within the pipe and I'd say that any heat to the already intercooled air is
bad. I therefore think that a redesign of this stuff there should help to
reduce the heat. Adding heat shields, decoupling the pipe from the block or
whatever may help a lot. Just wrapping the pipe may not help as the heat is
transfered via the mounting points.

Question : Besides of a total IC upgrade has anyone already changed the
piping there or started thinking about a solution ? I think a proper
solution should not be expensive as maybe only a custom pipe must be taken
and the rubber hose that connects the two hardpipes together may be used to
connect the stuff together. Any more ideas, drawing, design, solutions are
very welcome !

Cheers,
Roger
93'3000GT (fighting the heat !)

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:52:13 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Can't shift into third?

In a message dated 8/13/99 11:32:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
wce@bc.sympatico.ca writes:

<< Someone posted awhile back on the shifter linkage control arm (under the
blow off valve)
 At this location  the roll pin occasionally becomes unadjusted...it sticks
out too far
 and you consequently cannot get into third gear in particular. Realign the
parts and
 secure the roll pin.
 
 Best
 
 Darc
  >>

    That was me who posted to check your shifter linkage control area; the
roll pin was sticking out too far and became an "obstruction" preventing me
from shifting into 2nd and 4th. gears (1st. generation VR4 - 5 speed
transmission with only 12,000 miles -previously replaced under warranty).  I
highly advise to check this area out; BUT you ARE under warranty - so if you
want a NEW Transmission (assuming if you beat on your current 17K
transmission) simply take your car into the Mitsubishi dealership and chances
are the Service dept. will assume your transmission is shot therefore they
will issue you a new transmission UNDER warranty.  lol.......I'm sorry but
since Mitsubishi seems to SHAFT us whenever we go to the service dept. (and
expect us to pay about $6,000 for a new transmission when we are out of
warranty) MIGHT as well SHAFT them and get a new Transmission!!!!!!!!  

Good luck!

Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4
GReddy Profec B boost controller, GReddy turbo timer, Apex'i sequential
b.o.v., SPI motorsport boost gauge & pillar pod, K&N filtercharger, Alamo
Downpipe, Hi-flow cat, Borla exhaust, Magnecore 8.5mm wires & new NGK spark
plugs gapped at .032, Apex'i New liquid crystal Super AFC (not installed
yet), KVR Cross drilled rotors with carbon fiber pads, Nitto Power Extreme
NT-555 (255/40/17's) tires, Enkei RP-O1 17x9 (42mm offset) racing wheels &
Eibach Pro-Kit Springs (not installed yet).  Coming soon:  Turbo upgrade,
550cc. injectors & HKS fuel pump (hopefully all will be installed before
Sept. 12th & 18th.)
&
1987 Grand National (for sale): way too many mods to list! 
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:13:57 EDT
From: TigERdadDi@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Suspension Question

I have a 92' Stealth NA that was simply way to high off the ground, so I
wanted to lower it only I couldn't find any springs that lowered the car more
than 1.75 inches wich just didn't look like it would be enough with my 16
inch KMC High Groove's, and 225/50/R16 Falken Zieks.    You can see a picture
of my car before and after I lowered it by heating the base of the springs
with a blow torch. I want to replace the struts if i can with shorter and
tighter struts and then mabey leave the heated springs on, because it
actually road ok before the struts went out. Anybody have any advice for me
or know where I can look for a suspension fix for the front on my car under
300 dollars? or 500?
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