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Team3S Digest        Saturday, August 14 1999        Volume 01 : Number 257




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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:48:10 -0400
From: "Carlos Q" <pir8ska@shadow.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

So then, what brand of gas do you all recommend to use? I religiously use
chevron, and on occasion amoco...


Carlos

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level


>-----Original Message-----From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
>>1) Does the brand (Mobil, Shell) of gas one uses matter?
>>I am curious because I heard different companies use different
>additives
>>in their gas. What are these additives, what do they do, and do they
>>matter significantly?
>>I have been using Shell since I got my car 2 months ago and I was
>using it
>>in my Eclipse GS-T for the past few months (got a Shell gas card & my
>gas
>>there is discounted).
>
>The brand of gas matters less than the gas station at which you buy
>it!  Go to several different Shell stations, and note how well your
>car runs...  Stations are famous for cutting corners by mixing good
>gas with mediocre..., adding water to the tanks, etc, etc...  Every
>once in a while, go to a station that sells another brand of gas--
>often you can feel the difference in performance.
>
>It appears that additives are soon to be a moot point--  here in
>California, they have finally been banned, because it's been
>determined that the stuff kills people!  Other states will follow
>quickly...
>
>
>>2) How many qts of oil go in a 2G VR4? My mechanic put 5 qts of oil
>in
>>before checking the dipstick and saying it was OK. I used Mobil 1
>10w-40
>>and a Mobil 1 filter.
>
>5.2 qts.  Many guys on the list have recommended Mobil-1 with the
>stock filter; the Mobil-1 filter isn't so hot...
>
>
>>For some reason the oil runs all along my dipstick when I check the
>oil.
>>Im thinking maybe there is some oil in the shaft that the dipstick
>goes
>>down?
>
>After hard driving, there will be some oil in the dipstick shaft...
>That's why mechanics always wipe off the stick first, then insert it
>back to get a true reading.  It shouldn't be way up on the dipstick,
>though...  that would indicate foaming and that a problem may exist...
>
>
>>I have been noticing a gas smell sometimes while driving, but I'm not
>sure
>>if I'm just sucking in fumes from the car in front of me or if there
>is a
>>problem.
>
>In a recent study, it was determined that the pollution levels inside
>any car were up to 10 times worse than outside the car.  Unless you're
>travelling at high speed, or it's cold, leave the windows open some
>(the survey suggested always leaving them open a bit...).
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:51:51 -0400
From: "Carlos Q" <pir8ska@shadow.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

So then, what brand of gas do you all recommend to use? I religiously use
chevron, and on occasion amoco...


Carlos

>>The brand of gas matters less than the gas station at which you buy
>>it!  Go to several different Shell stations, and note how well your
>>car runs...  Stations are famous for cutting corners by mixing good
>>gas with mediocre..., adding water to the tanks, etc, etc...  Every
>>once in a while, go to a station that sells another brand of gas--
>>often you can feel the difference in performance.


sorry about quoting the whole post  ^_^

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:05:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

Thanks for the info, Bob. I have a few questions/comments:

> often you can feel the difference in performance.

I'll check out the Mobil gas station next fill-up. Unfortunately, I've
never driven another VR4 so not sure how performance measures up:)

> determined that the stuff kills people!  Other states will follow

How so?? The fumes?

> stock filter; the Mobil-1 filter isn't so hot...

Dude, I spent $10 on the Mobil 1 filter! And I know price is not always
indicative of quality, but I also read this individuals analysis on
various filters:

http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html

Actually, it looks like the site has been taken down, but he basically
bought all these filters, cut them open and did an analysis on them. As
far as OEM filters go, they were just relabled FRAM filters or something.

> back to get a true reading.  It shouldn't be way up on the dipstick,
> though...  that would indicate foaming and that a problem may exist...

How can I tell if the engine oil is foaming? Any noises/smells I should be
looking out for? There is not a significant amount of oil up on the stick,
just enough to make it confusing to look at.

Anyways, thanks for the advice.

Mike

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:12:26 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

Mike Baldwin wrote:

> Hi, these are potentially technical (?) questions so I hope its OK
> for me to post them here:
>
> 1) Does the brand (Mobil, Shell) of gas one uses matter?
>
> I am curious because I heard different companies use different additives
> in their gas. What are these additives, what do they do, and do they
> matter significantly?

The gas is essentially all the same (here in Western Canada there are two refineries
for all of the Companies....the additives (about 5c per fill-up) are what make any
difference (Chevron for example) and in most cases there are no technical differences
between 93 at one pump and 93 at another. Impurities in the tanks, leached ground water
in the tanks, etc,  may account for some problems, along with unsanctioned diluting
practises some stations are alleged to employ. If you find a good brand and
station...stick with it. If you're havbing what appear to be octane problems, try
another brand/station.

The rest of the questions were answered previously, although there might be cause for
concern with your gas smell. If it persists on a daily basis (at least once a day you
get it) then start to look for the source of the problem...leaking injectors, etc. Run a
good grade of injector cleaner through at your next fill up for starters. By good, I
mean something that costs more than $2.

snip

Best

Darc

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:46:33 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

>It appears that additives are soon to be a moot point--  here in California, they have finally been banned, because it's been determined that the stuff kills people!  Other states will follow quickly...

For reference here, that's only MTBE that is currently under serious consideration for removal - it's an additive to help control pollution, unlike other additives such as Techron, that help keep the fuel system cleaner.  The oil companies are playing this thing up to get higher prices - which seems to be working quite nicely.


>>2) How many qts of oil go in a 2G VR4? My mechanic put 5 qts of oil in before checking the dipstick and saying it was OK. I used Mobil 1 10w-40 and a Mobil 1 filter 5.2 qts.  Many guys on the list have recommended Mobil-1 with the stock filter; the Mobil-1 filter isn't so hot...

A little overfill here.  Not sure enough to cause extra foaming, but in my mechanical classes, I was always told it was okay to go down a quart, then add, BUT NEVER overfill - this is where foaming / churning the oil comes into play.  From all accounts I've seen the Mobil 1 is close to the best in OEM style filters.  To go any better, you'll need to move up to a racing filter, but that would require adding an external bypass filter assembly, but where would it go in that crowded compartment.

'92 Black VR-4


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:05:38 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas & Oil Level

- -----Original Message-----From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
>I'll check out the Mobil gas station next fill-up. Unfortunately,
I've
>never driven another VR4 so not sure how performance measures up:)

Compare on YOUR car!  You'd be numb not to notice if your car feels
'good' when you're driving with one gas and 'not so good' right after
a fill-up somewhere else...  Mine sputters a bit when it's cold with
the local Shell product...  Your mileage may vary...  :-)


>> determined that the stuff kills people!  Other states will follow
>
>How so?? The fumes?

Any leaks leech into the ground and contaminate the water supply.  But
this MBTE stuff in the water supply is a KNOWN carcinogen, while plain
old gas is not!  The other additives are mainly beneficial.


>Dude, I spent $10 on the Mobil 1 filter! And I know price is not
always
>indicative of quality, but I also read this individuals analysis on
>various filters:
>
>http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html
>
>Actually, it looks like the site has been taken down, but he
basically
>bought all these filters, cut them open and did an analysis on them.
As
>far as OEM filters go, they were just relabled FRAM filters or
something.

I can't remember why, but there's 'something' missing on the Mobil 1
filter that's there on the stock filter (which is about the same
price, BTW).  I was hoping someone on the list with a better memory
would pipe up with chapter and verse...


>How can I tell if the engine oil is foaming? Any noises/smells I
should be
>looking out for? There is not a significant amount of oil up on the
stick,
>just enough to make it confusing to look at.

You can tell if the stick is wet all the way up to the top with normal
driving, usually from overfilling, but occasionally from gas or water
leaking into the oil.  It doesn't sound like your case...  What you've
got is dead normal.  That's why they have you stop the engine before
checking the oil, because it does work its way up the dipstick...

F



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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:17:02 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: What are some opinions on the front mount IC?

>I've got a first gen, and it seems to me that our bumper's opening is just
>too small to get enough air to the accelerated accessories IC (just from
>what I saw of it, please don't think I am trying to bash it, I think it's
>beautiful and I am saving for one right now...). what are some of your
>opinions? do you think that running both turbos through a front mount will
>cool intake temps more than each through an individual side mount?


My opinion is that the intercooler piping would become more efficient. We
know that each bend and angle in the IC piping results in a pressure loss.
Have a look at a picture in the manual and no more explanation is necessary
... the design is bad on our cars. The FMIC will help although getting the
pipes into the IC also makes some serious bends necessary :-( The positive
aspect is that the core is much bigger than both stock ones and it's not
necessary that the whole core faces the front. It is more important that the
IC will be mounted close to the radiator so it will benefit from the ducting
inside the bumper. Unfortunately a part will be covered by the crash bar but
Matt & Frank are working on this.

To prove the design is working properly, temp and pressure before and after
the IC must be measured. This will give us the efficiency of the thing.
Anither thing to think about is if there is still enough cold air available
for the radiator at the back. As far as I remember someone with a FMIC
already saw increased water temp and is now upgrading the radiator as well.
This would not be a solution for me.

Also note that getting an aluminum FMIC means loosing some good weight. At
least mine from GT PRO (too big for my car) weights as much as one of the
factory IC does.

>(btw, does anyone know how to trick the active aero into thinking that its
>front dam is working? mine isnt there anymore =)   )

Maybe adding a power resistor may help (simulate the motor)

Regards
Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:20:55 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: What does an old timing belt look like?

Can't go by HOW IT LOOKS. 

If you purchased the car from a Mitsu place, have them slide up to their computers and pull a run on the car.  If service was done by a Mitsu mechanic, it SHOULD be there.  If not a Mitsu dealer, call the BONEHEADS at Mitsu Non-Customer Service (ita a 1-800 #) and they can look it up, if you talk REALLY NICE to them.  You see,they get alot of irrate customers calling about the crappy service they've been given by a LOUSY (most of them anyway) dealer network.
- --

On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:16:57   Kevin wrote:
>I purchased my car at 74,000 miles on the odometer from a dealer and do not know if the 60,000 miles service was done.  The plugs and wires were replaced. (mitsu plug wires are date coded 1998).  I took the inspection cover off and looked at the belt.  No cracks, looks like a fresh belt, and has a slight glossy appearance( more like satin ).  Edges are not frayed or damaged.  So you guys who have changed your belts, what did the old ones look like.
>
>Thanks,
>Kevin Schappell
>http://www.pacarsearch.com/motorhead/mitsu2.htm
>


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:36:24 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: New Modification :)

Here is a picture of my latest 'Boy Racer' modification.....I think it adds
'up to' 75 horsepower and will cut 'up to' 3 seconds off your quarter mile
time.  Your results may vary.

Click here-> http://www.omega-sw.com/stealth/frj01.jpg

Happy Friday the 13th to all.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:16:15 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: '94+ brakes on a pre '94

I don't have a definitive answer for you but I can provide some information.
I have a 93 stealth TT that had  stock 17" wheels --- the smallest inside diameter is
about 14 1/2". I replaced the stock wheels with 94 chrome VR4 17" wheels and
measured the inside diameter at 15 1/2" the extra inch must be what allows
the larger brakes.The Stealth uses the same rims from 91 to 96 [ see link
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/wheels.html ]. Maybe the Stealth
didn't use the upgraded brakes and the VR4 did??????????
I plan to upgrade my brakes but I now have the larger inside diameter 17"
wheels.

    Jim berry





> I have been thinking about upgrading my brakes to '94+ brakes but always
> thought that it would not work with my '91RT/TT 17" wheels.
>
> I saw a picture of a '94 RT/TT and noticed that the wheels looked the same
> as mine.
>
> I called the dealer and they said the the part number is the same for the
> '91 wheel as the '94.
>
> Therefore, is it possible to upgrade my brakes without buying new wheels?
>
> The caliper are the same size, but I'm assuming that the hangers are
> different to allow for the larger rotors.
>
> I'm sure that I've heard/read somewhere that the breaks won't work unless
> you change the wheels, but now I'm not sure since the wheels are the same.


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:30:13 -0400
From: "Michael McWilliams" <CelMike@email.msn.com>
Subject: Team3S: Compression test

Hi, guys.

I want to do a compression test on my '91 RT?TT in conjunction with changing
the plugs and wires. The service manual is vague on the proceedure.

First off, the manual says the engine should be at operating temperature
when the plugs are pulled to do the test. What they forget to mention is
that the intake plenum has to come off to get at the rear plugs. How are you
supposed to get the plenum pulled with the engine at operating temp without
burning the hell out of your hands or taking so long the engine cools below
operating? Is there a "cold" PSI range that indicates good compression?

Second, I assume that you have to disable the fuel injectors in some fashion
to prevent them from spraying while you are cranking the engine. The manual
again makes no reference. Is this necessary and if so what's the best way to
do so?

Lastly, the manual is silent on the number of revolutions you should crank
the engine in order to get an accurate reading. Does this matter?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Mike





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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:41:09 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Going the wet way

Can you see the grin from ear to ear on my face??  Probably not.  But I do
have Water Injection on my 95 Stealth now.  John Basol and I hooked it up
tonight.  And gosh darn it, it works!!  I bought the Spearco 980 kit from
Accelerated.  And I also bought a Predator battery so I'd have room to fit
the tank.

I have notice a few differences between John and me.  My peek boost was only
1.28 kg/cm2 when letting the turbos spool in 3rd gear.  John was able to get
some 1.39 runs out of his.  I'll have to work on that mystery.

Another interesting note.  When my stock solenoid was out of the loop, I
peaked at 1.26, but with it in the loop, I got a 1.28.  Go figure??  We even
pulled the actuator hose off, but could only get a 1.24.

While in drag racing mode, my 2nd gear peaked at 1.1 and 3rd gear peaked at
1.22.  I'm not sure what its going to take to get John's numbers.  He was
running a 50/50 split with alcohol, as opposed to my set up with straight
distilled water.  But I'm not sure if that will affect anything, but its
worth a shot.

I'm going to Rock Falls Raceway on Sunday, for some quarter mile times. 
We'll see what happens.  I'll probably leave the stock solenoid out of the
loop because it cuts boost too much in the upper RPMs.

I'm also thinking that maybe I need a 1g DSM BOV to help in the boost area,
but John has the stock one, and he still got higher boost.  hmmm???

Here is some other stats that I really like..........

Minn 3/Sers with WI:  4
Rest of 3Si: 2

What are you waiting for?

The last thing that I ask from the Team 3S list....  Could someone please
talk John B out of selling his Stealth!!

later,
Curt G,
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at: http://www.mn3s.org


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:57:10 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: '94+ brakes on a pre '94

Opps, I guess its time to change my wheels page.  Jim, the rims did change
slightly in 94 on the Stealth TT.  The inside diameter is different.  Jim
Mathews can probably back me up.  I'm sure he knows that his rims are styled
slightly different than the 91-93 rims.  The 94+ rims have little grooves in
the spiral spokes, that the 91-93s don't have.

later,
Curt G,
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at: http://www.mn3s.org



>From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
>To: "Wendlandt, Mark (MN51)" <MWendlan@cfsmo.honeywell.com>,        "Team3S
>List" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: '94+ brakes on a pre '94
>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:16:15 -0700
>
>I don't have a definitive answer for you but I can provide some
>information.
>I have a 93 stealth TT that had  stock 17" wheels --- the smallest inside
>diameter is
>about 14 1/2". I replaced the stock wheels with 94 chrome VR4 17" wheels
>and
>measured the inside diameter at 15 1/2" the extra inch must be what allows
>the larger brakes.The Stealth uses the same rims from 91 to 96 [ see link
>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/wheels.html ]. Maybe the
>Stealth
>didn't use the upgraded brakes and the VR4 did??????????
>I plan to upgrade my brakes but I now have the larger inside diameter 17"
>wheels.
>
>     Jim berry
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have been thinking about upgrading my brakes to '94+ brakes but always
> > thought that it would not work with my '91RT/TT 17" wheels.
> >
> > I saw a picture of a '94 RT/TT and noticed that the wheels looked the
>same
> > as mine.
> >
> > I called the dealer and they said the the part number is the same for
>the
> > '91 wheel as the '94.
> >
> > Therefore, is it possible to upgrade my brakes without buying new
>wheels?
> >
> > The caliper are the same size, but I'm assuming that the hangers are
> > different to allow for the larger rotors.
> >
> > I'm sure that I've heard/read somewhere that the breaks won't work
>unless
> > you change the wheels, but now I'm not sure since the wheels are the
>same.
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:18:17 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Update on the car...

New times tonight, considering the car was still not happy about going WOT I
managed to get a  best ET of 11.39 @ 121mph..  With a best MPH of 124.06.


Considering I was using the AC in the staging lanes and running the car back
to back I was very happy.

Traction is still an issue.


Brad
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:51:07 -0400
From: RPM Motorsport <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject: Team3S: Selling my car, good chance for plenty of parts

I'm selling my 1991 VR-4, Blue, 69,000 miles on it. Asking $20,000
My cars pretty much done up already. Still driveable, but I think I
cracked a piston landing.
Here's a list of parts on the car
Apex'i AVC-R
Greddy Turbo Timer
HKS Single tip dual side exhaust
Alamo Downpipe
Test Pipe
HKS Fuel Pump
HKS VPC + GCC II
HKS 550 Injectors
TD04-15G Turbo's
Alamo Side Mount Intercooler upgrade
Test Pipe
HKS Fuel Pump
HKS VPC + GCC II
HKS 550 Injectors
TD04-15G Turbo's
Alamo Side Mount Intercooler upgrade
Bozz Speed Full Coilover suspension
Bozz Speed Camber plates
Paxton Fuel Pressure Regulator
KVR Cross Drill Rear Brakes
Bozz Speed Bonnet Scoops
Clutchmaster Stage 4 Full Metal Clutch
Greddy Peak Hold Boost and EGT tapped into Turbo hot side.
Blitz Techno Z-1 18x9 wheels + Potenza S0-2 255/35/18 tires
Clear Corner lense and clear side markers
GTO Rear Light assembly
Cusco Rear Strut Bar
Bozz Speed Y-pipe
Kenwood Head Unit


Will throw in:
Bozz Speed Wing Extension and Supports
Bozz Speed Light Flywheel
92 Engine, with heads
And I can arrange for a deal in JE Pistons, Head Porting, Rings, Crower
Rods and the labor involved.

Can work out a deal if you don't want the wheels or certain parts.
I'm located in Buffalo,NY but I can deliver the car to NYC area
I have some older pictures of it on the website below. I haven't updated

yet. So they're not the most recent.

________________________________________________________
Henry Yam          URL: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/8889

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:31:34 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S: ALL K&N FIPK owners please respond (gathering infos)

I'm gathering some information about the K&N FIPK and possible stuff to find
out about the honking goose sound and because I do not have anything else to
do, haha. Please answer the following :

1. year of car (only turbos) ?
2. aftermarket BOV (brand, else no) ?
3. honking goose sound ?
4. vacuum line to BPV changed ?
5. any other stuff connected to the vac. line from the manifold ?
6. boost controller (man/el/bleeder,brand, else no) ?
7. aftermarket y-pipe ?
8. cured, how ?
9. anything special worth to be mentioned ?

I'll post the findings when I do have enough answers.

Regards
Roger
93'3000GT     TT


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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:37:18 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Off topic: Kudzus at 1999 LeMans

Sorry to go off-topic a little, but I need to know how the 4-rotor Kudzus
from Downing Atlanta did at the 24 hueres de les Mans in 1999.

I've searched everywhere, but all I can find are 1998 results.

To Alta Vista, it's as if the 1999 le Mans hasn't happened yet.

I know that one of you will give me a link to a page that has all this
stuff, so thanks in advance.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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