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Team3S Digest        Wednesday, August 11 1999        Volume 01 : Number 254




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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:07:11 -0400
From: "Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: [stealth] Aftermarket hoods and whatnot

A company called GTPRO out in california are in the process of making anew
ram air carbon fiber hood specifiacally for 3000GT's, they have a carbon
fiber hood without the ram air but i don't recall the price
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From: Carlos Q <pir8ska@shadow.net>
To: stealth@dragnet.com <stealth@dragnet.com>; Team3s list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; stealth@starnet.net <stealth@starnet.net>
Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 3:04 AM
Subject: [stealth] Aftermarket hoods and whatnot


>Since I saw the posts from the guys at accelerated accessories about a
>carbon fiber hood, I remembered: wasn't someone going to try and make a
mold
>for carbon fiber and fiberglass hoods that had a hood scoop (like that of a
>viper gts) and vents at the strut covers? did this plan go anywhere? does
>anyone have any information on this?
>
>BTW, to the people at accelerated: that is a Beautiful hood! did you
>actually have those made? Or were you just carrying someone elses hood? if
>so, who makes it?
>
>Wishing I had enough money to get that CF hood,
>Carlos
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:11:04 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: [stealth] Aftermarket hoods and whatnot

I talked with Brian from GTPro and the hood without the ram air is available
for $849 + shipping.  I do have a pic of the hood with the vents and center
opening but it does not appear to be a true ram air setup.  This was a
"one-off"  hood for his car, but he did say he could make some up for a
price.  E-mail me off list if you would like me to send you a pic of the
hood.

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[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Edwin Shaw
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 9:07 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: [stealth] Aftermarket hoods and whatnot


A company called GTPRO out in california are in the process of making anew
ram air carbon fiber hood specifiacally for 3000GT's, they have a carbon
fiber hood without the ram air but i don't recall the price



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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:40:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: [stealth] Aftermarket hoods and whatnot

Isn't this the same "Brian" from GT-Alley who was blacklisted a few months
ago?  I had no personal dealings with him, but others on this list and the
starnet list did, and didn't have much good to say about the experience.
If so, "caveat emptor".  If not, just punch the "delete" button on this
message.

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net

Yes, I'm afraid you *did* go to college for this job.

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Kevin Schappell wrote:

> I talked with Brian from GTPro and the hood without the ram air is available

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:58:14 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: [stealth] Aftermarket hoods and whatnot

Thanks for the heads up.  I came to this list before that episode but I did
read about the problems somewhere.  I think most of the problems came from
his partner but I am not sure.  I am not going to spend that kind of money
on a hood when I can find one in the junk yard and butcher it up myself. :-)
I am more concerned with getting air into the engine than light weight
carbon fiber.

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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Moore
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 9:41 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: [stealth] Aftermarket hoods and whatnot


Isn't this the same "Brian" from GT-Alley who was blacklisted a few months
ago?  I had no personal dealings with him, but others on this list and the
starnet list did, and didn't have much good to say about the experience.
If so, "caveat emptor".  If not, just punch the "delete" button on this
message.

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net

Yes, I'm afraid you *did* go to college for this job.

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Kevin Schappell wrote:

> I talked with Brian from GTPro and the hood without the ram air is
available

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:08:06 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Polishing & Buffing

List Members;

Since I have had a number of requests concerning the polishing and buffing
of engine parts, I have decided to put a POLISHING page on my web site (URL
below signature line).  This is just a start-up page as I will be adding
more in the future.  I am currently working on a members plenum and will be
taking pictures step by step.  That page will be up next week.  I also have
posted some prices if you want me to polish your parts (sounds kinda dirty
don't it).


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:10:48 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Water Injection tank

I've been asked several times if the headlight washer tank we have on our EU
cars is available. It's 3.5 liter big and has also a level switch you can
use for a smal LED or something else.

Mitsu part# in EU is : MR 108198 (headlight washer tank)    price : ~$50

I don't know if it fits any non-EU cars but it looks like only the mounting
holes are not there. This is one of the easiest water tank solution for any
non-pressurised WI system on our cars :))

For pictures, check out the water injection page on my site. I have much
more close-ups so just drop me a line if you need some pics.

Regards,
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:24:01 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: [stealth] Aftermarket hoods and whatnot

Tis one and the same --- caveat is worth considering!!!!!!!!!

  Jim Berry


> Isn't this the same "Brian" from GT-Alley who was blacklisted a few months
> ago?  I had no personal dealings with him, but others on this list and the
> starnet list did, and didn't have much good to say about the experience.
> If so, "caveat emptor".  If not, just punch the "delete" button on this
> message.
>


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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:29:21 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Water Injection tank

Another solution that Matt Jannusch came up with, is to put in a smaller
battery.  Black Panther makes a high output battery that is about 1/3 the
size of a regular battery.  This leaves you enough room to mount the Spearco
tank next to the battery and the strut buldge.  I am in the process of doing
this same thing.  One of the best things about it, is the water only has
about 1 foot to travel from the tank to the y-pipe.  The pump that comes
with the Spearco unit is kind of weak, so the shorter the distance the
better.

The only bad thing about the Black Panther batteries, is it costs around
$170.  But its 800 amps, only weighs 23 lbs, and I think you could leave
your headlights on for two days before the battery would die.

I'll let everyone know how the install goes.  This setup worked good for
Matt, even for some hard Autocrossing, and we all know that the Water
Injection works really well on John Basol's car.  :)

By the way, one other Minn 3/S member is putting water injection in soon. 
By next week, four Minnesota 3/Sers will have water injection.  What are the
rest of you waiting for??  hehe. :)

One last breath....  Matt at Accelerated carries the Spearco unit, if you
want one.......

later,
Curt G,
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at: http://www.mn3s.org



>From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
>Reply-To: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
>To: "Stealth List" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject: Team3S: Water Injection tank
>Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:10:48 +0200
>
>I've been asked several times if the headlight washer tank we have on our
>EU
>cars is available. It's 3.5 liter big and has also a level switch you can
>use for a smal LED or something else.
>
>Mitsu part# in EU is : MR 108198 (headlight washer tank)    price : ~$50
>
>I don't know if it fits any non-EU cars but it looks like only the mounting
>holes are not there. This is one of the easiest water tank solution for any
>non-pressurised WI system on our cars :))
>
>For pictures, check out the water injection page on my site. I have much
>more close-ups so just drop me a line if you need some pics.
>
>Regards,
>Roger, Switzerland
>93'3000GT TT
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:15:36 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Water Injection tank

>Another solution that Matt Jannusch came up with, is to put in a smaller
>battery.  Black Panther makes a high output battery that is about 1/3 the
>size of a regular battery.

Too bad this one is not available here :((

>I'll let everyone know how the install goes.  This setup worked good for
>Matt, even for some hard Autocrossing, and we all know that the Water
>Injection works really well on John Basol's car.  :)

Hey,what about pictures of this stuff too ?

Later
Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:43:54 PDT
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel injectors... Sizes, musings.

I know my 91 A/T AWD talon came with 380cc injectors. I have since swapped
them out for 450cc injectors (the ones that come stock on ALL Turbo DSMs
that are M/T.) I also used an AFC for a while to lean it down, but it turned
out that the amount of air bypassing my modified mas (air meter) was
approximately 15%, almost perfect W/O an AFC, so I sold it.

I was wondering, what size injectors come with the 3000gt/DS turbo cars? I
would assume 380cc? Instead of paying premium for 550's, couldn't we just
get 6 of the STOCK DSM Turbo 450's (about $150 for all 4 used, vs $300 for
all four used/new). This would help out the person that wants to mod his car
cheaply, but also be in a safer zone with the regard to fuel supply (prevent
knock/detonation).

Also, installing the 450's along with a higher than stock fuel pressure
regulator would also help (the A/T DSM  cars came stock with a 5-10psi
higher regulator than the M/T DSM cars, and this, along with  the fact that
the A/T ECU THINKS it's driving 380s, causes you to run really rich w/o some
sort of fuel control or bypassed air.)

There are people running 12's (with CRAPPY 1.9+ 60' times!) with 450's on
the stock A/T ECU, and an A/T car... yet the m/t people look at you in
horror if you say that to them (they say 550's are a necessity... yet the
datalogger says the 450's with the a/t ECU are only at 90% duty)

Sorry if this post sounds confusing, as it is if you don't know a lot about
the different cars and fuel options I mentioned... hell upon re-reading it,
I'M confused too :) Thanks guys!

Vineet Singh
DSM & 3/S Manuals on CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org  -  "Never Lift To Shift!"


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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:06:20 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: CD Changer, and Radio for sale.

Hey everyone,

I have a 6 disk changer and stereo for a 92/93 3000.

This is factory equipment.  The head unit is like new. (used 10k miles
before it was taken out and put in a closet)  Same with the Changer.
The Radio has a tape player along with the "surround" sound that came stock
with these cars.

I'm asking 200 for the radio, and 200 for the Changer (no cables).
I also have another Radio, same as above. But not as "mint" of condition,
but it does work.  Asking 150.00/obo.
I believe I have a 91 Radio and CD player.  (two piece unit out of an SL)
125.00 for both.
I also have  a Pioneer DEH 435 CD player.. 4x35wattt output.    125.00

Sound stream amplifier.  Reference 500 (500x1, 180x2)  Very clean amp.
250.00
Sound Stream Granite 180.6 amp (30x6)        175.00

Bose 901 series "6" with EQ Asking 600.00 (retail for 1500.00)   Used about
6 months now.



Brad
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:13:01 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Reverse lights stuck in on position!

My reverse lights will not turn off, what do I do?   95 TT  thanks.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:21:10 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Reverse lights stuck in on position!

Pull the reverse switch fuse or bulbs.

Then check to see if the reverse switch is open or closed.  Most likely the
switch is bad.


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Subject: Team3S: Reverse lights stuck in on position!

My reverse lights will not turn off, what do I do?   95 TT  thanks.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:30:16 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Reverse lights stuck in on position!

At 11:13 PM 8/10/99 EDT, MitsuVR41@aol.com wrote:
>My reverse lights will not turn off, what do I do? 

Quick! Put it in first gear!

Seriously, pull the fuse until you can get up in there and fix the switch.

Rich/old poop
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:25:07 -600
From: syzygy@webzone.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: "Track exhaust";

>In a message dated 8/8/99 10:55:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
>robby@freesurf.ch writes:
>I had posted this same question about a year ago and had minimal >response;
no one informed me if they tried this or not; I was seriously >contemplating
on trying this method as I have done with my Buick GN; but >someone from our
liste advised me NOT to attempt this DUMP method
>(testpipe that is bent to the driver's side).   I would assume that >would
truly help in 1/4 mile times!
> So I simply decided to gut all cats and go with the Alamo DP and Borla
>exhaust.

My husband and I routinely 'dump' the exhaust off his supra for drag racing...
we end up with 3' downpipe only from the turbo. And it HELPS! When he was running
NOS we dyno'd a 30-50hp increase w/o the exhaust (http://tgn.net/~gemohler/dyno.html
for dyno results).

On my old 92 stealth rt/tt we gutted the cats (all three) and ran 3' exhaust
cat back (no mufflers). Ran this way on street and track. We did verified 12.7
second quarter miles with the following mods - K&N FIPK, DIY Bleeder Valve,
Gutted Cats & 3" Cat-back Exhaust. That's all the mods. So... opening up your
exhause HELPS. Yes I hit fuel cut in this car with this configuration...

I'm not gutting the cats on my VR-4 for a couple reasons 1) need to keep it
stock class for Autocross purposes this year, 2) it is a HUGE PAIN, 3) may be
moving to CA soon and want to pass emissions. Current mods on the VR-4 are 3"
Cat Back Exhaust (with stock cats), no mufflers, and removed air filter and
waste gates disconnected for racing purposes only, 18x9 wheels - consistant
13.4 second 1/4 mile times at 100 degree heat!

BTW, I had both of my exhausts custom made .. ppl have thought I had a Borla
from the sound, but I got the exhausts at a fraction of the cost!

Nissa
'95 VR-4
Formerly '92 RT/TT
Don't mess in the affairs of dragons.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:00:29 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: "Track exhaust";

>My husband and I routinely 'dump' the exhaust off his supra for drag
racing...
>we end up with 3' downpipe only from the turbo. And it HELPS! When he was
running
>NOS we dyno'd a 30-50hp increase w/o the exhaust
(http://tgn.net/~gemohler/dyno.html
>for dyno results).

Yes, on the Supras replacing the downpipe helps a lot. At the MK IV it's
even more. I just wish we'd have more space at the rear turbo to run a good
piping :(

>On my old 92 stealth rt/tt we gutted the cats (all three) and ran 3'
exhaust
>cat back (no mufflers). Ran this way on street and track. We did verified
12.7
>second quarter miles with the following mods - K&N FIPK, DIY Bleeder Valve,
>Gutted Cats & 3" Cat-back Exhaust. That's all the mods. So... opening up
your
>exhause HELPS. Yes I hit fuel cut in this car with this configuration...

Therefore, boost was more than 18psi (racing fuel, of course). Replacing teh
stock dp with a better design with a testpipe would give even better
results.

>I'm not gutting the cats on my VR-4 for a couple reasons 1) need to keep it
>stock class for Autocross purposes this year

I thought you only need the main cat for this reason ???

>2) it is a HUGE PAIN

Hehe, LOUD !

>3) may be moving to CA soon and want to pass emissions.

We currently not know what the emission tests will show with the pre-cats
gutted but the main cat working. Here in Switzerland I have to do the test
every second year and I now have a full replacement for the cats so I can
try to pass the test then (next year)

> Current mods on the VR-4 are 3"Cat Back Exhaust (with stock cats), no
mufflers,
> and removed air filter and waste gates disconnected for racing purposes
only,
>18x9 wheels - consistant 13.4 second 1/4 mile times at 100 degree heat!

Therefore you are experiencing a lot of retarded timing although it seem you
are not running into fuel cut. With the wastegate actuators disconnected the
thing will boost up to 20 and more psi and would definitely run into mid 12s
or better. But you are loosing power due to the knock. Also removing the
filter doesn't help a lot (I did this once too) if any as the MAS is still a
more restrictive part.

>BTW, I had both of my exhausts custom made .. ppl have thought I had a
Borla
>from the sound, but I got the exhausts at a fraction of the cost!

True ! The Borlas mufflers are straight and you can look directly into the
piping. They are more resonators than mufflers for sure. But the quality is
good and I did not found any shop that was able to custom made me the same
exhaust for $470 !

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:57:08 +0200
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: exhaust mods (was: "Track exhaust")

"R.G." wrote:
>
> We currently not know what the emission tests will show with the pre-cats
> gutted but the main cat working.

Do we know how long the main cat will continue to work after the
pre-cats have been gutted or removed?


> > Current mods on the VR-4 are 3"Cat Back Exhaust (with stock cats), no
> mufflers,
> > and removed air filter and waste gates disconnected for racing purposes
> only,
> >18x9 wheels - consistant 13.4 second 1/4 mile times at 100 degree heat!
>
> Therefore you are experiencing a lot of retarded timing although it seem you
> are not running into fuel cut. With the wastegate actuators disconnected the
> thing will boost up to 20 and more psi and would definitely run into mid 12s
> or better.

Agreed.  This sounds like a dangerous/expensive way to achieve mid 13s.


> >BTW, I had both of my exhausts custom made .. ppl have thought I had a
> Borla
> >from the sound, but I got the exhausts at a fraction of the cost!

While heavier than stainless, the stock piping seems pretty good (size,
construction, etc.).  Why not just yank the stock muffler, adjustable
exhaust and passenger side piping and install a single, high-flow
muffler on the driver side?  This would be extremely cheap, and it's not
like these cars have dual exhaust anyway.  How about no muffler at all
(just bring the pipe straight back)?  With the turbos and the cats,
would it really be all that loud?

Then again, such a modification would primarily be for volume and
appearance.  For real high-RPM performance gains, the cats would need to
go.

-Jim

P.S.- So the question is, what would you do with that cool adjustable
exhaust switch and cable assembly?  Well, Mikael and I have been
discussing a way to make that rear license plate disappear...  ;-)
- --
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matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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