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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:37:52 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: HP 9B vs 13G
> our cars are offered with 9Bs in the US and
13Gs elsewhere.
I've only seen the 13G in Europe sold stock. Not
Australia.
>> There is a US turbo shop who modifies 13G compressors
and sells them as
15G
>for the 3S
The 9B and 13G do have the
same 04 compressor housing. The design and the
blades of the 13G ocmpressor
wheel is different. I'm not sure but I thing
the 15 needs another
housing.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:44:40 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: HP 9B vs 13G
Murat...
According to TEC (who buys
direct from the factory) Mitsubishi claims that
9Bs are stock on ALL 1st and
2nd generation VR4s/Stealth TTs. However, we
KNOW for a fact that at least
one VR4 in Europe came stock with 13Gs (Roger
Gerl's).
TEC (Turbo
Engineering Corporation) modifies 13Gs into 15Gs. They also do a
variety of
larger turbos.
I don't know that we have any listmembers who have
experimented with other
variations (HKS, GReddy, Garrett,
etc.).
Looking forward...Chris
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Murat Okcuoglu [mailto:murat@ashacorp.com]
Sent:
Thursday, August 05, 1999 8:27 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: HP 9B vs 13G
This is what I understand :
our
cars are offered with 9Bs in the US and 13Gs elsewhere.
There is a
US turbo shop who modifies 13G compressors and sells them as 15G
for the
3S
Please comment and correct.
Also, what are the turbo upgrades
offered by HK$ and Greddy? are they any
good? are thay worth the
expense?
Thanks!
Murat
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:53:44 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
Has anyone ever installed a trailer hitch
on one of our cars? I
need to get one (and a lightweight trailer), but
I'd like it to
be removable, since it's gotta be serious ugly to have one
on...
But it can't be any more ugly than what I'm doing now...
I've
got a 12-foot inflatable boat I go fishing with, and even
with a blanket on
the roof, trunk, and spoiler surfaces, I'm sure
it causes a bit of abrasion
(it's only about 80 Lbs). I'm not
really fond of the funny looks I get
from the cops, either, since
it barely lets the tail lights show, and sticks
out over the
windshield more than a foot... Not to mention the kids
passing
in their Miatas laughing and pointing! :-) Yeah, this
would be
a great opportunity to "drop shit on Bob", but please do
it
privately, since it's off-topic. Post to the list only if
you
have a real solution, please...
:-)
TIA,
Forrest <=== (private flame suit
on...)
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Date:
Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:29:48 -0400
From: mike.chapleski@ibm.net
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Exhaust Upgrade = Power? (pt.2)
>
>
> Yes, I'd say
that replacing the stock exhaust helps to reduce trap speed and
> et's.
But I'd also say that only acat-back does not give you any pony. Each
>
car is different and therefore I agree that we'd say due to the better
>
exhaust flow the turbos are able to hold boost longer and therefore the
>
power curve falls down at somewhat higher rpm than with stock. This will
>
result in better trap speed and better torque curve over the rpm but I'm
>
pretty sure that there will not be any higher peak hp or tourqe. What do
you
> think ?
>
OK, I am on vacation now so I should not be
replying to this but...
I do not have access to our dyno
sheet right now but if I remember correctly, Jim's
car peaked HP at about 5k
and then started dropping off. My car started LEVELING off at
about 5k,
then peaked at 5800 RPM, with it starting to drop off at 6K. Therefore,
while
the exhaust MAY not increase peak HP, it does allow you to shift at
higher RPMs which I
believe will give you faster times/trap speeds in the 1/4
mile.
Now on to intake temps. About a month ago
I installed the temp gauge Roger Jim and
I used for the dyno sessions in my
intake, about 4 inches from the throttle body inside
the Y-pipe. I have
been monitoring this ever since and I could probably write a
dissertation on
it right now. However, all of you drag racers out there really need
to
install one of these. I have discovered the
following:
1) At highway speeds with the boost
at -5 or below, the temp difference between
ambient and throttle intake is
about 10 degrees F. Which to me sounds pretty good.
2) On a 1/4 mile run, with 75 deg. ambient, 89 deg. intake at the start,
by the
time I shift into fourth, the intake temp has rose to 157 deg F (15
PSI was max boost).
Does this mean the intercoolers suck or are very
efficient? I have no idea at this
point.
3)
If I turn off the car, after fully heating up, let it sit 10-15 minutes,
then
start it back up, the intake temp is about 20-25 deg above ambient and
it takes about 10
minutes of HIGHWAY driving to get it back down to 10
degrees difference. For dragracers
that let their cars sit between
runs, this is something that you should REALLY
be
monitoring.
4) During our dyno runs the ambient was
50 F deg the intake temp at the start of my
dyno was 104 deg F and the intake
peak after about 20 seconds of running at 12 psi was
224 deg F!!! So I
do think that the fan was not very effective. However, I cannot
compare
this to the real world, because I have not been able to find the proper
hill
where I can maintain 12 psi of boost in fourth gear. The most I
have been able to
maintain was about 10 seconds which resulted in a peak of
139 deg F.
My point of all this testing has been to
prove my theory that the stock intercoolers
are very inefficient. I
have discovered that they are very effective for what the car
was designed
for- Gran Touring. At sustained highway speeds, the intercoolers work
fine
(10-15 deg F difference at 120 MPH with cruise control). But I
believe they are
ineffective for short burst (1/4 mile and
autocrossing) I have been doing all this
testing because I am
considering purchasing Altered Atmospheres front-mount
intercooler
upgrade. I think that a center mount intercooler is much
more effective for 1/4 mile
and autocrossing. Or anyplace where you are
on and off the turbos a lot.
I am sure this will
generate so discussion, but I may not be able to respond
immediately,
Sorry...
Mike C.
0018
'95 Stealth RT TT
K&N, Borla cat back,
test pipe, Alamo DP, stock NOT gutted precats, 15 PSI Blitz.
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Date:
Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:35:29 -0400
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Team3S: 280 Z
turbo on an NA Stealth?
I was looking at a turbo from an 82' 280 ZX and
it apears to be more of
a motor-driven supercharger than a exhaust turbo.
Does anybody know If
this would be installable on an NA S/3 car? If the Motor
can be wired
in, and maybe tied to the tachometer...There might be another
way to
"supercharge" NA S/3 cars. Anyone with experience in older
Datsuns,
please speak up!
Thanks,
Matt
#311
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Date:
Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:15:10 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
At 08:53 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Bob
Forrest wrote:
>Has anyone ever installed a trailer hitch on one of our
cars? I
>need to get one (and a lightweight trailer), but I'd like
it to
>be removable, since it's gotta be serious ugly to have one
on...
, but please do it privately, since it's off-topic. Post to the
list only
if you
>have a real solution, please...
:-)
>
No, please post it to the list or include me in the private
postings. For
racers, it's very topical.
I have been seriously
considering a trailer myself to haul race tires and
stuff around.
I know,
I know, 4 race wheels and tires will fit in there somehow, but they
don't
leave much room for anything else, and I have to haul all this stuff
300
miles between events. I really don't want a race tire in the passenger
seat
for 300 miles.
I've seen racers with small trailers for such purposes,
and have been
wondering if it's possible to affix a trailer hitch on our
cars.
Or maybe a cartop carrier?
Please post solutions to the
list.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:19:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
I don't any thing about this product, but I
found a vendor who says they
have one for our cars:
http://www.hitch-web.com/vhitch.asp?Veh_Type=Car&VehNo=10256&Class=CL1&bumper=None
Hope
it helps.
Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net
Yes, I'm afraid you
*did* go to college for this job.
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Bob Forrest
wrote:
> Has anyone ever installed a trailer hitch on one of our
cars? I
> need to get one (and a lightweight trailer), but I'd like
it to
> be removable, since it's gotta be serious ugly to have one
on...
> But it can't be any more ugly than what I'm doing now...
>
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Date:
Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:44:21 -0500
From: "Ian Marks" <ianmarks@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch
Q...
Rich,
I had a receiver hitch
installed by U-haul last summer and it's
worked out just fine. The guy even
did a nice job with the wiring harness
(surprise from U-haul!). I originally
got the hitch for a bike/ski rack but
it also accepts a ball hitch attachment
for trailers etc. . . It cost about
eighty bucks installed. I don't think
it's that noticeable really, all that
shows is a small black metal bar and
the square hole of the hitch itself. I
use a Rhode Gear bike rack with a ski
attachment and it's absolutly
excellent. Nothing touches the car and the
skiis are behind so there's no
added wind noise inside the car. I have also
hauled a small trailer with it
(U-haul's smallest) with no problems. In fact
even with the trailer my
Stealth was still quite comfortable doing 85mph in
5th gear!
You can call a local U-haul and they will have
to order the hitch (it's
technically called a 1 1/4" receiver hitch). I can't
remember if the ball
attachment was included or not. Other vendors will be
able to do this as
well if you have some reservations about your local U-haul
messing with your
baby.
Good luck.
-
-----
Ian Marks
'94 Stealth RT/TT
Rochester, NY
-
----------
>From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>To:
"Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
>Date: Thu, Aug 5, 1999, 11:15
AM
>
> At 08:53 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Bob Forrest
wrote:
>>Has anyone ever installed a trailer hitch on one of our
cars? I
>>need to get one (and a lightweight trailer), but I'd
like it to
>>be removable, since it's gotta be serious ugly to have one
on...
> , but please do it privately, since it's off-topic. Post to
the list only
> if you
>>have a real solution, please...
:-)
>>
> No, please post it to the list or include me in the
private postings. For
> racers, it's very topical.
>
> I have
been seriously considering a trailer myself to haul race tires and
> stuff
around.
> I know, I know, 4 race wheels and tires will fit in there
somehow, but they
> don't leave much room for anything else, and I have to
haul all this stuff
> 300 miles between events. I really don't want a race
tire in the passenger
> seat for 300 miles.
>
> I've seen
racers with small trailers for such purposes, and have been
> wondering if
it's possible to affix a trailer hitch on our cars.
>
> Or maybe a
cartop carrier?
>
> Please post solutions to the
list.
>
> Rich/old poop/94 VR4
>
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:01:19 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Exhaust Upgrade / intake temps
Hey Mike, good to hear from you
:))
It'll become very interesting as I just installed the temp probe as
well.
We'll see if we gonna find the same difference as we saw on the
dyno.
> 1) At highway speeds with the boost at
-5 or below, the temp
difference between
>ambient and throttle intake
is about 10 degrees F. Which to me sounds
pretty good.
Yes, the
temp of the discharged air is pretty low then. Where have you
measured
ambient temp ?
> 2) On a 1/4 mile run, with 75
deg. ambient, 89 deg. intake at the
start, by the
>time I shift into
fourth, the intake temp has rose to 157 deg F (15 PSI was
max
boost).
>Does this mean the intercoolers suck or are very efficient?
I have no idea
at this
>point.
Hmm, this is after about 15
seconds with ca. 12 seconds of full boost.
Interesting for sure, but I have
no conclusion either.
> 3) If I turn off the
car, after fully heating up, let it sit 10-15
minutes, then
>start it
back up, the intake temp is about 20-25 deg above ambient and it
takes about
10
>minutes of HIGHWAY driving to get it back down to 10 degrees
difference.
For dragracers
>that let their cars sit between runs, this
is something that you should
REALLY be
>monitoring.
Yes, popping
up the hood helps for sure.
> 4) During our dyno
runs the ambient was 50 F deg the intake temp at the
start of my
>dyno
was 104 deg F and the intake peak after about 20 seconds of running at
12 psi
was
>224 deg F!!! So I do think that the fan was not very
effective. However,
I cannot
>compare this to the real world,
because I have not been able to find the
proper hill
>where I can
maintain 12 psi of boost in fourth gear. The most I have been
able
to
>maintain was about 10 seconds which resulted in a peak of 139 deg
F.
Hmm, what I remember was a peak reading on my car of 120°F (I hope it
was F
and not C !) and I thought yours and Jims was about 9 - 20 °F more and
I do
not remember such high temps. Anyways, I'll try to record these temps on
the
dyno this time (together with boost).
> My
point of all this testing has been to prove my theory that the
stock
intercoolers
>are very inefficient.
I'd more say that they
have to work overtime as the turbos are working in
their inefficient region !
Therefore they produce much to high discharge
temperatures compared to the
boost. It would maybe a good idea to place a
probe into the IC pipe that
comes from the rear turbo and another one after
the IC. This will give you
the real efficiency of the intercooler (amount of
air / boost against
temperature drop)
> I have discovered that they are very effective for
what the car
>was designed for- Gran Touring. At sustained highway
speeds, the
intercoolers work fine
>(10-15 deg F difference at 120 MPH
with cruise control). But I believe
they are
>ineffective for
short burst (1/4 mile and autocrossing) I have been doing
all
this
>testing because I am considering purchasing Altered Atmospheres
front-mount
intercooler
>upgrade. I think that a center mount
intercooler is much more effective
for 1/4 mile
>and
autocrossing. Or anyplace where you are on and off the turbos a
lot.
I'm sure that a FMIC is a good thing although we have to get some
real
figure too. Please note that at a specific temperature on the inlet of
the
IC and high boost not enough neergy can be taken off the air. Here
the
design of the piping, endtanks and cooling finns is very
important.
An alternative is ... Water Injection :)) Well, one jet is
placed in the iC
pipe on the front and a larger one in the y-pipe. The first
cools the air
from the rear charger and supports the intercoolers. The second
cools both
temps in the y-pipe and is also in charge to control detonation.
So with a
single ERL system for $500 you have two problems solved against the
$1500 -
$2000 intercooler upgrade solution. Investing around $950 for the
fully 3D
system I installed provides me with all the adjustability for the
individual
mods on the car. This is why a FMIC is now sitting around in my
garage :(
Cheers,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:47:58 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Exhaust Upgrade / intake temps
Real world numbers on my car
are:
In degrees Fahrenheit:
Inlet at
turbo:
275degrees
Outlet at throttle body 125
degrees.
Temp outside 96 degrees with ~50% humidity
Figure asphalt
temp to be ~150-175 degrees.
This is with the front mount setup that I
built.
Problems that still have not been corrected:
Extended hard
driving causes the engine water temp to get above acceptable
levels.
Cure
on the way: Custom radiator, and higher CFM electric fans.
I would
not use this setup with road racing due to the above problem.
However I am
sure I will correct the problem by doubling the water capacity
of the
radiator.
Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of R.G.
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 5:01 PM
To: mike.chapleski@ibm.net
Cc: 3/S
Sirius Mailing List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust Upgrade / intake
temps
Hey Mike, good to hear from you :))
It'll become very
interesting as I just installed the temp probe as well.
We'll see if we gonna
find the same difference as we saw on the dyno.
>
1) At highway speeds with the boost at -5 or below, the temp
difference
between
>ambient and throttle intake is about 10 degrees F. Which to
me sounds
pretty good.
Yes, the temp of the discharged air is pretty
low then. Where have you
measured ambient temp
?
> 2) On a 1/4 mile run, with 75 deg.
ambient, 89 deg. intake at the
start, by the
>time I shift into fourth,
the intake temp has rose to 157 deg F (15 PSI was
max boost).
>Does
this mean the intercoolers suck or are very efficient? I have no
idea
at this
>point.
Hmm, this is after about 15 seconds with
ca. 12 seconds of full boost.
Interesting for sure, but I have no conclusion
either.
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:47:26 -0700
From: "Murat Okcuoglu" <murat@ashacorp.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Exhaust Upgrade / intake temps
> Real world numbers on my car
are:
>
>
> In degrees Fahrenheit:
>
> Inlet at
turbo:
275degrees
> Outlet at throttle body 125
degrees.
>
> Temp outside 96 degrees with ~50% humidity
>
Figure asphalt temp to be ~150-175 degrees.
>
> This is with the
front mount setup that I built.
>
Do you have any figures
with the OEM intercoolers for comparison?
how much boost do you run?
what
was the boost history and vehicle speed for above numbers?
Thanks for
sharing the info!
Murat
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:16:28 -0500
From: "Chris Chiasson" <cender@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Rim question
where is the web page that shows the wheels?
did
someone post the offset for the 18x9.0 wheels yet? what was it?
- -----
Original Message -----
From: David Chen <neubine@ix.netcom.com>
To: R.G.
<robby@freesurf.ch>; Team3S <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent:
Thursday, July 22, 1999 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rim
question
> Hey R.G.
>
> I paid
about $3000 for all three.... however these were at a special
price.
>
normaly they go for about $700 a piece.
> BTW My friends call me the
banana boat rocket =)
>
> Neubine@ix.netcom.com
>
>
"R.G." wrote:
>
> > VERY COOL, nice, hot, great !
>
>
> > I really love these wheels and your car looks Banana-cool. How
much did
you
> > paid for the set without the rubber ?
>
>
> > Thanks,
> > Roger
> > 93'3000GT TT
>
>
> > >> Dave, do you have any pic of the rims and eventually
on the car ?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> >
>> Roger
> > >> 93'3000GT TT
> > >>
>
> >> > I personally got 18 x 9.0 all around. I've got the Blitz
Techno Z1
and
> > the
> > >> reason is
> >
>> >that it's perfectly wide and making them all the same width makes
it
> > easy
> > >> to rotate
> > >>
>tires. Also stock has them all the same so it might be advisable to
>
> follow
> > >> what the
> > >> >factory
has. Also 18 x 10 in the rear is gonna stick out of the
fenders
> >
a
> > >> little and
> > >> >definatly stick out
alot in the front. You don't want to look like a
low
> > >>
rider do ya. =)
> > >
>
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:43:11 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: intake temps
I did not check OEM numbers I am
assuming the other posts reflected the
OEM numbers.
As for speed.. I
started the run at ~40mph, and finished just on the other
side of
160mph.
Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Murat Okcuoglu
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 6:47 PM
To: 3/S
Sirius Mailing List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust Upgrade / intake
temps
> Real world numbers on my car are:
>
>
>
In degrees Fahrenheit:
>
> Inlet at
turbo:
275degrees
> Outlet at throttle body 125
degrees.
>
> Temp outside 96 degrees with ~50% humidity
>
Figure asphalt temp to be ~150-175 degrees.
>
> This is with the
front mount setup that I built.
>
Do you have any figures
with the OEM intercoolers for comparison?
how much boost do you run?
what
was the boost history and vehicle speed for above numbers?
Thanks for
sharing the info!
Murat
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page is
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:46:32 -0400
From: "Carlos Q" <pir8ska@shadow.net>
Subject: Team3S:
3" CAT v.s. straight pipe
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is there going to be a difference at all between a
3-inch, high-flow cat =
and a 3-inch section of pipe? Just curious as i have
the atr eliminator =
downpipe, but i would also like for my children to be
able to breathe =
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thanks,
Carlos
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:21:37 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: HP 9B vs 13G
The HKS and Greddy are both 13G turbos.. The
very same you can get for about
1/2 the price at your local turbo
shop.
Both kits do come with new gaskets, and if I am correct new oil
return
lines.
Brad
Check out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
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Behalf Of Chris Winkley
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 10:45 AM
To:
'Murat Okcuoglu'
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
RE: Team3S: HP 9B vs 13G
Also, what are the turbo upgrades offered by HK$
and Greddy? are they any
good? are thay worth the
expense?
Thanks!
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Date:
Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:41:00 -600
From: syzygy@webzone.net
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
>Has anyone ever installed a trailer
hitch on one of our cars? I
>need to get one (and a lightweight
trailer), but I'd like it to
>be removable, since it's gotta be serious
ugly to have one on...
>But it can't be any more ugly than what I'm doing
now...
I have a trailer hitch on my 95 VR-4...we use it with out tire
trailer as we
travel around the MidWest Autocrossing. U-Haul had one listed
for my car, ordered
and installed it for me. No problem... just some funny
looks and comments like
"I never installed a hitch on a car like THIS
before!"
As far as looks, you get some REALLY funny looks cruising the
highways with
tires in tow! But even with the hitch on the car doesn't look
bad .. and the
tow ball itself does come off for better looks when you aren't
using it. If
you want to see some pictures I'll take some this weekend and
send you the URL
next week.
NOTE: I wouldn't pull anything heavier
than 8 tires and associated outdoor gear
(approx 500 lbs) with one of our
cars. 6th gear is useless under 80MPH pulling
any weight.
Nissa
95
VR-4
Don't mess in the affairs of dragons.
For you are crunchy and go
good with ketchup.
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Date:
Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:46:41 -0700
From: Bruce Body <bbody@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
Turbo guys beware! The owners
manuals for both turbo cars I've owned
specifically state DO NOT tow anything
with the car. Remember, the
turbos boost under load. You don't want to be
pushing 12+ psi @ 2000
rpms.
Bruce
3Si #0243
95 VR4
Bob
Forrest wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever installed a trailer hitch on one
of our cars? I
> need to get one (and a lightweight trailer), but
I'd like it to
> be removable, since it's gotta be serious ugly to have
one on...
> But it can't be any more ugly than what I'm doing
now...
>
> I've got a 12-foot inflatable boat I go fishing with,
and even
> with a blanket on the roof, trunk, and spoiler surfaces, I'm
sure
> it causes a bit of abrasion (it's only about 80 Lbs). I'm
not
> really fond of the funny looks I get from the cops, either,
since
> it barely lets the tail lights show, and sticks out over
the
> windshield more than a foot... Not to mention the kids
passing
> in their Miatas laughing and pointing! :-) Yeah,
this would be
> a great opportunity to "drop shit on Bob", but please do
it
> privately, since it's off-topic. Post to the list only if
you
> have a real solution, please... :-)
>
>
TIA,
>
> Forrest <=== (private flame suit on...)
>
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Date:
Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:00:27 -0700
From: Bruce Body <bbody@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Update: Killed the honking goose
It's actually an steel adapter,
not a bracket. It looks like the DSM
valve
bolts directly to the IC
pipe, whereas ours clamps to a hose connected
to the Y pipe. This adapter
bolts to the 1G DSM valve and allows
clamping
to the Y pipe hose with no
fabrication. I have no pictures, but the
assembly looks stock. I
bought the assembly from Buschur but don't know
if they sell only the
adapter. I'd call them and ask since they
fabricated the part.
"Wendlandt, Mark (MN51)" wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
>
What is this metal bracket you are talking about. Is this used to mount
the
> BPV or is it an adapter so that our hoses fit on the DSM
BPV.
>
> i.e. can you get the DSM BPV installed without the
bracket?
>
> Do you have any pictures?
>
>
Thanks,
>
> Mark Wendlandt
> 91RT/TT
>
>
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:54:08 -0500
From: Michael <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
Any idea how much weight it
adds to the car?
Michael
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From: Ian
Marks [SMTP:ianmarks@earthlink.net]
Sent:
Thursday, August 05, 1999 2:44 PM
To: Merritt; Bob Forrest; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch
Q...
Rich,
I had a receiver hitch
installed by U-haul last summer and it's
worked out just fine. The guy even
did a nice job with the wiring harness
(surprise from U-haul!). I originally
got the hitch for a bike/ski rack but
it also accepts a ball hitch attachment
for trailers etc. . . It cost about
eighty bucks installed. I don't think
it's that noticeable really, all that
shows is a small black metal bar and
the square hole of the hitch itself. I
use a Rhode Gear bike rack with a ski
attachment and it's absolutly
excellent. Nothing touches the car and the
skiis are behind so there's no
added wind noise inside the car. I have also
hauled a small trailer with it
(U-haul's smallest) with no problems. In fact
even with the trailer my
Stealth was still quite comfortable doing 85mph in
5th gear!
You can call a local U-haul and they will have
to order the hitch (it's
technically called a 1 1/4" receiver hitch). I can't
remember if the ball
attachment was included or not. Other vendors will be
able to do this as
well if you have some reservations about your local U-haul
messing with your
baby.
Good luck.
-
-----
Ian Marks
'94 Stealth RT/TT
Rochester, NY
-
----------
>From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>To:
"Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
>Date: Thu, Aug 5, 1999, 11:15
AM
>
> At 08:53 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Bob Forrest
wrote:
>>Has anyone ever installed a trailer hitch on one of our
cars? I
>>need to get one (and a lightweight trailer), but I'd
like it to
>>be removable, since it's gotta be serious ugly to have one
on...
> , but please do it privately, since it's off-topic. Post to
the list only
> if you
>>have a real solution, please...
:-)
>>
> No, please post it to the list or include me in the
private postings. For
> racers, it's very topical.
>
> I have
been seriously considering a trailer myself to haul race tires and
> stuff
around.
> I know, I know, 4 race wheels and tires will fit in there
somehow, but they
> don't leave much room for anything else, and I have to
haul all this stuff
> 300 miles between events. I really don't want a race
tire in the passenger
> seat for 300 miles.
>
> I've seen
racers with small trailers for such purposes, and have been
> wondering if
it's possible to affix a trailer hitch on our cars.
>
> Or maybe a
cartop carrier?
>
> Please post solutions to the
list.
>
> Rich/old poop/94 VR4
>
>
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:22:00 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Exhaust Upgrade / intake temps
Brad,
Thanks for the
figures. I'm pretty sure the higher water temp is caused by
the FMIC.
Although its core size of it is not that large it may be effective
in heat
absorbing and therefore leaves a lot to the radiator. I raced my car
a whole
morning on the small track at the driving school with only speeds of
60mph
max (very short) and never saw any high water temps.
Just a short
question :
>Inlet at
turbo:
275degrees
Do I understand this correctly : Inlet at turbo, you mean
the air sucked in
before the turbo ? Or is this the discharge temp at the IC
inlet ? The later
would make more sense to me.
>Outlet at throttle
body 125 degrees.
>
>Temp outside 96 degrees
with ~50% humidity
>Figure asphalt temp to be ~150-175
degrees.
>
>This is with the front mount setup that I
built.
And also with the 368 turbos or stock buddies
?
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:27:23 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 3" CAT v.s. straight pipe
Carlos, please switch the HTML off if
sending posts to the list, thanks !
> is there going to be a
difference at all between a 3-inch, high-flow cat
> and a 3-inch section
of pipe? Just curious as i have the atr eliminator
> downpipe, but i would
also like for my children to be able to breathe =)
I do have both and the
butt told me no difference but some less noise with
the ATR cat. But this
could be due to the pre-cats still in place as they
are the main restriction.
Gut them and install a high flow cat and you'll on
the clean
side.
Please note : ATR once sold me a high flow cat that broke in pieces
after a
few months. I then saw that the material was ceramic. This is not bad
but
much more sensible and known to crack pretty quick. I got a replacement
now
that is made of good old metal and works well so far. Inspect it when
you
get it.
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:48:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: ie886@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John
T. Christian)
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stutter
Hi all,
Stutter is
gone. I replaced the plugs with stock NKG gapped to .031.
My TT is
running strong again.
I'm off to run Nelsons Ledges this morning which
will be my first road
course event for this year. Been having "high
speed withdrawl"...
The old plugs had only 20k on them. Don't
remember the original gag, but
it would have been less than stock[.043] and
more than .030. They measured
.038-.033. The color was
odd...looked like a redish brown. The first set
at 60k were black
indicating a rich misture. I don't know what a redish
brown
means...perhaps STUTTER. LOL
While I had the plugs out and intake
plennum off, I checked the
compression. All cylinders were
155-160psi. The first pump was 90-95.
Thanks to all who had
suggested fixes for the Stutter.
- --
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'93 Stealth TT Blue almost stock 12.46 @109
MPH
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:17:26 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
I don't know about the U-Haul
hitch, but the one Dennis recommended is
200 Lbs (and just under
$170).
Forrest
- -----Original Message-----From: Michael <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
>Any
idea how much weight it adds to the
car?
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: Ian Marks [SMTP:ianmarks@earthlink.net]
>Sent:
Thursday, August 05, 1999 2:44 PM
>To: Merritt; Bob Forrest; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch
Q...
>
>Rich,
> I had a
receiver hitch installed by U-haul last summer and
it's
>worked out
just fine. The guy even did a nice job with the
wiring
harness
>(surprise from U-haul!). I originally got the hitch for
a bike/ski
rack but
>it also accepts a ball hitch attachment for
trailers etc. . . It cost
about
>eighty bucks installed. I don't think
it's that noticeable really,
all that
>shows is a small black metal bar
and the square hole of the hitch
itself. I
>use a Rhode Gear bike rack
with a ski attachment and it's absolutly
>excellent. Nothing touches the
car and the skiis are behind so
there's no
>added wind noise inside the
car. I have also hauled a small trailer
with it
>(U-haul's smallest)
with no problems. In fact even with the trailer
my
>Stealth was still
quite comfortable doing 85mph in 5th gear!
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:09:15 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Rim question
I don't know if another site was mentioned, since
this post was 2
weeks ago, but there's a pretty good array of wheels at
www.tirerack.com . For 18x9, you
shouldn't need any offset...
Forrest
- -----Original
Message-----From: Chris Chiasson <cender@email.msn.com>
>where
is the web page that shows the wheels?
>did someone post the offset for
the 18x9.0 wheels yet? what was it?
>----- Original Message
-----
>From: David Chen <neubine@ix.netcom.com>
>To:
R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>; Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Sent:
Thursday, July 22, 1999 3:17 AM
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Rim question
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:26:06 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
- -----Original Message-----From:
Bruce Body <bbody@pacbell.net>
>Turbo guys
beware! The owners manuals for both turbo cars I've owned
>specifically
state DO NOT tow anything with the car. Remember, the
>turbos boost under
load. You don't want to be pushing 12+ psi @
2000
>rpms.
Absolutely right! The manuals recommend
against it for the non-turbos
as well. I've only got to tow an
inflatable boat (just over 100#)
plus the trailer weight, which is about the
same as adding a passenger
and won't be a problem. It's probably no
problem to tow a set of
tires, either. But both the manuals and service
techs have been quite
specific NOT to tow anything of substantial
weight. That's not what
our cars are designed
for!
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:25:39 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Stutter
>Stutter is gone. I replaced the plugs with
stock NKG gapped to .031.
>My TT is running strong again.
Hmm,
0.031 is really at the smaller side. Have you already experienced a
decrease
in mileage ? What boost do you run ?
>The old plugs had only 20k on
them. Don't remember the original gag, but
>it would have been less
than stock[.043] and more than .030. They measured
>.038-.033.
The color was odd...looked like a redish brown.
A good source for how
does the plug look like can be found under :
http://www.centuryperformance.com/spark2.htm#Reading
I
think your plugs where really worn out due to the heavy misfires (stutter
!)
you had.
> The first set at 60k were black indicating a rich
misture.
Yep, this is normal. (or should be normal)
>While I
had the plugs out and intake plennum off, I checked
the
>compression. All cylinders were 155-160psi. The first
pump was 90-95.
Very good compression :)
Your et and speed
tells me that you are running high boost. This is probably
the case for the
condition of your plugs. But I'm happy the test was fine !
But keep this in
mind as the stutter my come back after 15k as well if you
don't change
something on your setup.
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:18:01 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Stutter
John T. Christian wrote:
>
snip
>
>
>
> The old plugs had only 20k on them.
Don't remember the original gag, but
> it would have been less than
stock[.043] and more than .030. They measured
> .038-.033. The
color was odd...looked like a redish brown. The first set
> at 60k
were black indicating a rich misture. I don't know what a redish
>
brown means...perhaps STUTTER. LOL
This could be as Roger has
suggested, or another likely cause is if you have been
running octane boost
recently, which is notorious for coloring the plugs this way. Also
as
suggested, .031 is on the low end of the gapping spectrum, and many runinng
boost
controllers or manual valves are in the .034
area.
Best
Darc
>
>
> While I had the plugs
out and intake plennum off, I checked the
> compression. All
cylinders were 155-160psi. The first pump was 90-95.
>
>
Thanks to all who had suggested fixes for the Stutter.
>
>
--
> JCZoooM '93 Stealth TT
Blue almost stock 12.46 @109 MPH
>
e-mail: ie886@po.cwru.edu www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538
>
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:03:18 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 3" CAT v.s. straight pipe
Carlos...
I don't know that
anyone has measured the difference but, from a theoretical
perspective, any
restriction in the system is a restriction (even bends in
the pipe) that
slows the flow of the exhaust. I wish it was "safe" to take
my car through
DEQ both ways. I know that when the system was stock, the
emissions were 10X
lower than the allowable amount. I doubt that removing
the pre-cats and main
cat makes a ?huge? difference, but one could argue
that ANY emission that
could be prevented is a "bad" emission.
Looking forward...Chris
- -----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Q [mailto:pir8ska@shadow.net]
Sent:
Thursday, August 05, 1999 5:47 PM
To: Team3s list
Subject: Team3S: 3" CAT
v.s. straight pipe
is there going to be a difference at all between a
3-inch, high-flow cat and
a 3-inch section of pipe? Just curious as i have
the atr eliminator
downpipe, but i would also like for my children to be able
to breathe =)
thanks,
Carlos
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:51:54 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Stutter
>This could be as Roger has suggested, or another
likely cause is if you
have been
>running octane boost recently, which
is notorious for coloring the plugs
this way. Also
>as suggested, .031
is on the low end of the gapping spectrum, and many
runinng
boost
>controllers or manual valves are in the .034
area.
Forgot to add : I was told not to gap a plug wider or smaller
than 0.008"
away from its original gap. This is due to the fact that the
anode and
cathode will not be parallel
anymore.
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:18:48 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Stutter
'yo Zoom...
The orangeish, reddish, brown
deposit is "normally" associated with the use
of octane boosters. Not sure
why it occurs, but I starting find that deposit
after dumping liberal amounts
of booster to up the octane from pump levels
(92 here in Portland). I've
since resorted to using a mix of 110 octane race
fuel, but haven't pulled the
plugs recently to see what they look like now.
BTW...12.46 is very
impressive for "almost stock"...no fuel system or turbo
mods?
Looking
forward...Chris
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From: ie886@cleveland.Freenet.Edu [mailto:ie886@cleveland.Freenet.Edu]
Sent:
Friday, August 06, 1999 3:48 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc:
ie886@po.cwru.edu; bsc4@po.cwru.edu
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Stutter
<snip>
The old plugs had only 20k on them.
Don't remember the original gag, but
it would have been less than stock[.043]
and more than .030. They measured
.038-.033. The color was
odd...looked like a redish brown. The first set
at 60k were black
indicating a rich misture. I don't know what a redish
brown
means...perhaps STUTTER. LOL
<snip>
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stock 12.46 @109 MPH
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Date:
Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:22:58 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Stutter
There are alot of opinions on dealing with plug gap. I've
seen everything from .31 to .39, when dealing with boost controllers and running
above stock conditions. I'm not an expert in this area, so it makes it
quite confusing to know WHO IS RIGHT. Is the gap dependent on the
modification stage - say your at Stage 3, so your gap needs to be at .31 - .34
or Stage 1 requires a .37 - .39?
Oh by the way, a pricing war on the
"NEW" Apexi AVC-R seems to be in motion. Per a post on the 3si board,
Indura (think that's how you spell it) at Apexi Motorsports in Glendale, AZ is
offering it at $399. If interested, give him a call at (602) 246-7505 /
7497. He and Kwan (manager/owner) of the Tempe Store have told me that
they will try and beat any pricing you find on performance parts - just give 'em
a call and see what they can do. Kwan's # - (602) 967-6515 / 9507.
-
--
On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:18:01 wce
wrote:
>
>
>John T. Christian wrote:
>
>>
snip
>>
>>
>>
>> The old plugs had only 20k
on them. Don't remember the original gag, but
>> it would have
been less than stock[.043] and more than .030. They measured
>>
.038-.033. The color was odd...looked like a redish brown. The first
set
>> at 60k were black indicating a rich misture. I don't know
what a redish
>> brown means...perhaps STUTTER.
LOL
>
>This could be as Roger has suggested, or another likely cause
is if you have been
>running octane boost recently, which is notorious for
coloring the plugs this way. Also
>as suggested, .031 is on the low end of
the gapping spectrum, and many runinng boost
>controllers or manual valves
are in the .034
area.
>
>Best
>
>Darc
>
>>
>>
>>
While I had the plugs out and intake plennum off, I checked the
>>
compression. All cylinders were 155-160psi. The first pump was
90-95.
>>
>> Thanks to all who had suggested fixes for the
Stutter.
>>
>> --
>>
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stock 12.46 @109 MPH
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Date:
Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:29:37 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Rim question
Was disappointed at the selection of rims at
TireRack. Discount Tire - www.discounttire.com - had a larger
selection based on the VR-4 17". Wasn't looking at 18's. Like the
TirRack, they have a shockwave based viewer, so you can see sort of how the rim
will look on your car. All the rims I've found I like only come in 15 or
16" sizes.
- --
On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:09:15 Bob
Forrest wrote:
>I don't know if another site was mentioned, since this
post was 2
>weeks ago, but there's a pretty good array of wheels
at
>www.tirerack.com . For
18x9, you shouldn't need any
offset...
>
>Forrest
>
>-----Original Message-----From:
Chris Chiasson <cender@email.msn.com>
>
>>where
is the web page that shows the wheels?
>>did someone post the offset
for the 18x9.0 wheels yet? what was it?
>>----- Original Message
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>>To:
R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>; Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>>Sent:
Thursday, July 22, 1999 3:17 AM
>>Subject: Re: Team3S: Rim
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Date:
Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:32:13 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
I'm sure the hitch doesn't weigh 200# ----
the tongue weight is 200#. That means
that the downward weight of the trailer
where it rests on the ball is rated at 200#
maximum.
Jim
Berry
======================================================
>
I don't know about the U-Haul hitch, but the one Dennis recommended is
>
200 Lbs (and just under $170).
>
> Forrest
>
=====================================================
> >Any idea how
much weight it adds to the car?
> >
> >Michael
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Date:
Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:39:49 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
Most hitches probably weigh in the
range of 15-20 lbs at the most. The ones that have the removable
tongue/ball, after you pull that - saves a couple of pounds.
I've wondered if
they had one for our cars for awhile, as I'd like to be able to hook up a
removal bike rack or pull a jet ski on a trailer.
- --
On Fri, 6 Aug
1999 02:54:08 Michael wrote:
>Any idea how much weight
it adds to the car?
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: Ian Marks [SMTP:ianmarks@earthlink.net]
>Sent:
Thursday, August 05, 1999 2:44 PM
>To: Merritt; Bob Forrest; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch
Q...
>
>Rich,
> I had a
receiver hitch installed by U-haul last summer and it's
>worked out just
fine. The guy even did a nice job with the wiring harness
>(surprise from
U-haul!). I originally got the hitch for a bike/ski rack but
>it also
accepts a ball hitch attachment for trailers etc. . . It cost
about
>eighty bucks installed. I don't think it's that noticeable really,
all that
>shows is a small black metal bar and the square hole of the
hitch itself. I
>use a Rhode Gear bike rack with a ski attachment and it's
absolutly
>excellent. Nothing touches the car and the skiis are behind so
there's no
>added wind noise inside the car. I have also hauled a small
trailer with it
>(U-haul's smallest) with no problems. In fact even with
the trailer my
>Stealth was still quite comfortable doing 85mph in 5th
gear!
> You can call a local U-haul and they will have
to order the hitch (it's
>technically called a 1 1/4" receiver hitch). I
can't remember if the ball
>attachment was included or not. Other vendors
will be able to do this as
>well if you have some reservations about your
local U-haul messing with your
>baby.
> Good
luck.
>
>-----
>Ian Marks
>'94 Stealth
RT/TT
>Rochester, NY
>
>----------
>>From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>>To:
"Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic: Trailer Hitch Q...
>>Date: Thu, Aug 5, 1999,
11:15 AM
>>
>
>> At 08:53 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Bob Forrest
wrote:
>>>Has anyone ever installed a trailer hitch on one of our
cars? I
>>>need to get one (and a lightweight trailer), but
I'd like it to
>>>be removable, since it's gotta be serious ugly to
have one on...
>> , but please do it privately, since it's
off-topic. Post to the list only
>> if you
>>>have a
real solution, please... :-)
>>>
>> No, please post
it to the list or include me in the private postings. For
>> racers,
it's very topical.
>>
>> I have been seriously considering a
trailer myself to haul race tires and
>> stuff around.
>> I
know, I know, 4 race wheels and tires will fit in there somehow, but
they
>> don't leave much room for anything else, and I have to haul all
this stuff
>> 300 miles between events. I really don't want a race tire
in the passenger
>> seat for 300 miles.
>>
>> I've
seen racers with small trailers for such purposes, and have been
>>
wondering if it's possible to affix a trailer hitch on our
cars.
>>
>> Or maybe a cartop carrier?
>>
>>
Please post solutions to the list.
>>
>> Rich/old poop/94
VR4
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