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Digest Monday, July 26
1999 Volume 01 : Number
240
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Date:
Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:36:17 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Timing & Intake air temp Question
I'm not sure but I guess
you are not having a G-Force ECU, do you ? If you
don't have one than the
timing is stock. Although I'd advance it by 2
degrees as this made a huge
difference with the G-Force programmed like
that. The car passed the rpms
much quicker and I blew off the y-pipe in
zero-time :(
>Note:
When setting "base" timing, The crank pulley mark
fluctuated
>approximately +/- 1 degree. When setting "actual"
timing, the crank pulley
mark
>fluctuated approximately +/- 4
degrees. The engine speed also fluctuated ~
+/-
>60
rpm.
Hmm, this is not normal. I know that the VPC is not the best thing
for idle
and it often shots a little too much fuel in it and the rpm starts
to
fluctuate. I'd say +/- 1 degree could be accepted but not
4.
>Another question for those still reading. My intake air temp
constantly
reads
>67 degrees on the datalogger. When I removed
the Mass air flow system and
added
>the VPC, I guess I lost the intake
air temp. Does the VPC intake air temp
>sensor feed information to
the ECU? If so, could the cars using a VPC
still
>datalog intake
air temp? Or is my ignorance showing through?
Unfortunately, I
haven't installed the VPC yet on our car and I wonder if
the ECU sets a code
if the barometric and intake sensors are disconnected.
The VPC has its own
temperature sensor in the intake plenum and I belive
that the VPC just
simulates a constant voltage.
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:29:11 -0700
From: Bruce Body <bbody@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Timing & Intake air temp Question
Are you saying to advance
the timing 2 degrees with the stock ECU or the
G-Force or either? Is
this base or actual timing? I am stock except
FIPK and
DSBC.
Thanks,
Bruce
3Si #0243
"R.G." wrote:
>
> I'm not sure but I guess you are not having a G-Force ECU, do you ? If
you
> don't have one than the timing is stock. Although I'd advance it by
2
> degrees as this made a huge difference with the G-Force programmed
like
> that. The car passed the rpms much quicker and I blew off the
y-pipe in
> zero-time :(
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Date:
Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject:
Team3S: New Super AVC-R and other Stealth/3000GT Specials! (fwd)
Don't
know if all of you guys received this email, but here is the latest
from Mike
at Altered Atmosphere!
Regards,
Dennis
-
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:18:16
EDT
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
To: dbretton@cs.uml.edu
Subject: New Super
AVC-R and other Stealth/3000GT Specials!
This month
Altered Atmosphere Motorsports is offering a few specials for
our Stealth
and 3000GT customers! The following goodies are on sale..
1.) The
new A'pexi SAFC $315 (instock)
2.) The new A'pexi SAVC-R $409 (here in two
weeks!)
3.) NGK Platnum plugs $10 (instock)
4.) Accell Plug wires $69
(instock)
5.) RS*R Springs $159
Let us know if you need
anything! We are also going to have our new frount
mount intercooler
modification available next week, aluminum y-pipes early
August, and a full
header/garret turbo conversion abailabe late
August!
TTYLater,
Mike
www.AlteredAtmosphere.com
Stealth/3000GT
Headquarters
301-294-2700
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Date:
Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:28:17 -0700
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Timing & Intake air temp Question
R.G. wrote:
>
I'm not sure but I guess you are not having a G-Force ECU, do you?
I do
have a G-Force ECU but not sure which chip is in it. So should I set
the
"base" timing to 7 deg BTDC?
> If you
> don't have one
than the timing is stock. Although I'd advance it by 2
> degrees as this
made a huge difference with the G-Force programmed like
> that. The car
passed the rpms much quicker and I blew off the y-pipe in
> zero-time
:(
>
> >Note: When setting "base" timing, The crank pulley
mark fluctuated
> >approximately +/- 1 degree. When setting
"actual" timing, the crank pulley
> mark
> >fluctuated
approximately +/- 4 degrees. The engine speed also fluctuated ~
>
+/-
> >60 rpm.
>
> Hmm, this is not normal. I know that the
VPC is not the best thing for idle
> and it often shots a little too much
fuel in it and the rpm starts to
> fluctuate. I'd say +/- 1 degree could
be accepted but not 4.
The service manual itself states that fluctuations
of +/- 7 degrees is common. I
was just curious why base timing was so
steady and actual fluctuated so much.
>
> Regards,
>
Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
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Date:
Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:28:54 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Wheels and tires
I FINALLY found a set of wheels to mount up the
Yoko 032Rs (thanks to
Dennis Bretton, who sent me to Brian at Arrow Tire and
Wheel in Upland, CA)
They sold me a set of 6-spoke wheels for $100 each
plus shipping. I told
them they were for racing purposes, so they won't be
pretty. They are the
rejected wheels that you guys send them in exchange for
newly rechromed
wheels.
Now I need to buy a set of street tires.
Arrow Tire suggests a set of Daytons for $500 per set. Hmmm. Never heard
of
them before. Well, I've heard of Daytons, fer sure, but not as a
tire
suitable for our cars. Whaddayez think?
I don't need tires to
race on, so I'd like the street tires to be
long-lasting, quiet, good in the
rain, and suitable for 100 mph cruising.
Any suggestions?
Rich/old
poop/94 VR4/time to re-tire
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Date:
Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:51:57 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Wheels and tires
Hey, Rich,
I've said it before... I
really like these Nittos that I'm using...
(Extreme Performance 450, V-rated
directionals, around $100/tire). I bought
them for tooling around, but
they've become my 'regular' tire, since they
handle corners perfectly
neutrally, they're quiet even at 120, and they have
a 300 wear rating.
They're not SUPPOSED to be that good in the rain, since
they're over 9" wide,
but like you, I keep my tires inflated quite high
(43/37), and the control I
have at this setting, wet or dry, is great. I
regularly take corners
like I'm auto-X-ing, and after 15,000 miles, (and
overinflated), they're just
now starting to show some wear. I'll definitely
buy them
again.
They don't list them anymore on the TireRack site, but their specs
are
definitely above and beyond... Highly recommended, if they're
still
available; if not, I've read similar good things about the Nitto 550
(555?).
BTW, Frank at Accelerated Accessories also recommended the 450's
several
months ago (while responding to a request on the list) as being as
good (but
much cheaper) than the similar Michelin Pilot XGTV4... Check
'em out.
Best,
Forrest
- -----Original
Message-----From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
|I
FINALLY found a set of wheels to mount up the Yoko 032Rs (thanks to
|Dennis
Bretton, who sent me to Brian at Arrow Tire and Wheel in Upland, CA)
| They
sold me a set of 6-spoke wheels for $100 each plus shipping. I told
|them
they were for racing purposes, so they won't be pretty. They are
the
|rejected wheels that you guys send them in exchange for newly
rechromed
|wheels.
|
|Now I need to buy a set of street
tires.
|
|Arrow Tire suggests a set of Daytons for $500 per set. Hmmm.
Never heard of
|them before. Well, I've heard of Daytons, fer sure, but not
as a tire
|suitable for our cars. Whaddayez think?
|
|I don't need
tires to race on, so I'd like the street tires to be
|long-lasting, quiet,
good in the rain, and suitable for 100 mph cruising.
|Any
suggestions?
|
|Rich/old poop/94 VR4/time to
re-tire
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Date:
Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:21:56 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Timing & Intake air temp Question
> I do have a G-Force
ECU but not sure which chip is in it. So should I set the
> "base"
timing to 7 deg BTDC?
But what were the specs for the G-Force ECU or did
you just got a modified ECU.
Either way, I'd then leave the timing stock as
the G-Force program should take
care of advancing.
> > Hmm,
this is not normal. I know that the VPC is not the best thing for idle
>
> and it often shots a little too much fuel in it and the rpm starts
to
> > fluctuate. I'd say +/- 1 degree could be accepted but not
4.
>
> The service manual itself states that fluctuations of +/- 7
degrees is common. I
> was just curious why base timing was so
steady and actual fluctuated so much.
I just rechecked and you are right
although my european manual says that a
fluctuation of +/- 5 degrees is
common :/ Either way, I don't think that this
points to a
problem.
Cheers,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:09:16 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: New Super AVC-R and other Stealth/3000GT Specials!
(fwd)
Gang,
Mike is offering this specials only till the end of
this month. IMHO, $409
is an incredible, damn good price for the new S-AVC-R
and I will get it for
my customer (at least one). If I'd want to import it
directly for the
wholesale price from Japan I'd pay much more ;-)
With
these specials you don't have to sign to any GP and no one has to
organize it
(uff) Just call Mike and place your order :)
BTW, the Accel wires are
discussable.
I'm currently discussing some other GPs on performance
upgrades for our cars
with Mike, like y-pipe and a complete "fuel upgrade
kit" (Power Stage 2).
I'll inform you as soon as we have facts.
I hope
this saves some bucks on good deals :))
Roger,
93'3000GT
TT
> This month Altered Atmosphere Motorsports is
offering a few specials
for
>our Stealth and 3000GT customers!
The following goodies are on sale..
>
>1.) The new A'pexi SAFC $315
(instock)
>2.) The new A'pexi SAVC-R $409 (here in two weeks!)
>3.)
NGK Platnum plugs $10 (instock)
>4.) Accell Plug wires $69
(instock)
>5.) RS*R Springs $159
>
>Let us know if you need
anything! We are also going to have our new frount
>mount
intercooler modification available next week, aluminum y-pipes
early
>August, and a full header/garret turbo conversion abailabe late
August!
>
>TTYLater,
>Mike
>www.AlteredAtmosphere.com
>Stealth/3000GT
Headquarters
>301-294-2700
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Date:
Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:12:05 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S:
Precat replacings (salvage yard parts)
I called/emailed some of the
salvage yards asking about a rear pre-cat that
I can hollow out. As I wanted
to be able to replace the thing easily if I
can't pass emissions I needed the
whole part as a future replacement.
I was not able to find any totalled
3000GT/Stealth allover Europe and no
parts are available. I could get a new
one for $400 but I think this too
expensive for such a backup-replacement
!!!
I finally found MS-Recycling and asked for a quote on
http://www.msrecycling.com/index.html.
They replied within a few days and
quoted me $100 for the thing. Not bad I
thought and called them some days
later as I was told to order it by phone.
The person then told me that the
price is around $270 and I told him I got a
quote by email and I do not want
to pay any dime more ! Even more I told him
about our list, the email I got
from them and another blahblah. He went off
the phone for a few seconds and
agreed to send it to Switzerland for $114
including shipping.... I was
happy.
I got it about 8 days later and
guess what, it came with an O2 sensor
installed :) Also it is not a
california car (or just an early year) as only
one O2 sensor is installable.
Also the whole thing looks even better than
the existing rear pre-cat (a lot
less carbon build up).
Ok, I studied the thing a loong time and though
about a replacement pipe as
Barry has let made for his car. But I finally
came to the conclusion, that
it is cheaper and easier just to hollow out the
thing. The local header
experts checked the flange to the turbo and just told
me that fabricating
this stuff will become too expensive ($150 and more for
the flange only).
Therefore, the idea arose tol cut the replacement thing
infront the pre-cat
just after the O2 sensor housing and the flange after the
cat. In between a
larger pipe will be welded in that matches the ATR dp. Also
the flange will
be machined to match the ATR piping. But after looking into
the pre-cat the
diameter is not really a problem and only the flange should
be enlarged. We
have't check the beginning diameter of the cat so this is an
unknown
variable that could cause a small interference.
This is a work
we can do by ourselfs (I love distroying stuff, engine and
so, you know ...)
and for porting the flange just some grinding stones for
the electric drill
are needed.
At the same time, the header shop is gonna create a front
pre-cat
replacement for me. I've choosen this because the new pipe will just
be
welded to the ATR DP. The "flange" from the dp can be used for
the
connection to the front O2 sensor housing. This will cost me around
$120
(hey these are swiss prices :((() as well as some porting on the O2
sensor
housing outlet will then be done by me.
Therefore, for about
$220 I do have fully pre-cat replacements including an
easy way to go back to
stock at any time (at least every second year for
emmision tests). I think
this is not too bad although just hollowing out the
stock pre-cats is free.
But not passing the emmision test would cause to
lose the license plate
within a month here and therefore this is a $220
lifetime insurance
:)
BTW, does anyone have made internal pictures, before and after gutting
the
precats ? The flanges, as well as the start / end diameter of the
catalytic
material are of interest.
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
(www = wild wild wet)
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