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Date:
Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:18:13 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: WIS: I have some questions, if you could be so kind. ..
Hey
Carlos, I'll try to answer what I can.
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From: Carlos Q [SMTP:pir8ska@shadow.net]
Sent:
Tuesday, July 20, 1999 2:52 AM
To: Team3s list
Subject: Team3S: WIS:
I have some questions, if you could be
so kind...
I am seriously
considering getting the Water Injection System to
test on my car, but
unfortunately, I came into this discussion (and the
list) a bit late. Where
can I get this kit (I am assuming spearco, but what
is the contact info?),
The Spearco system can be purchased from Spearco directly.
Their
web address is www.spearcointercoolers.com
<http://www.spearcointercoolers.com>
, they have a phone number on the site
to contact them. The ERL
AquaMist system can be purchased from any ERL
dealer. www.aquamist .com has the dealer listings on the
site.
is it a specific kit for our car or is it universal/something
we
have to cutom fit? Is the installation pretty straightforward, any
pointers?
Neither will be specific for our cars, and will require a
little bit
of fabrication. The biggest problem with the Spearco kit was
installing the
water tank. Roger may have more info about installing
the ERL system. You
can check out my Spearco install at
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/1027
<http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/1027>
.
I am planning to take my car to the weekly test and tune
sessions,
to try and work out whatever minor bugs I might have before the up
coming
event (August 14-15th), and I am hoping I can have the kit installed
to tune
the car.
Also, one of the WIS users mentioned installing a
better pump, where
would I go about getting that?
That would be
me. I had the pump that came with my kit fail, so I
replace it with a
fuel pump instead of a washer pump. One of the other list
members
brought up the point about the possibility of corrosion causing the
pump to
fail, so I have inadvertantly volunteered to test the idea. :-)
So
far so good, but you might want to hold off on the idea until I have used
it
a little more.
Good luck, and if you run into questions don't be
afraid to ask.
-John Basol
'95 RT/TT 'wet & wild'
:-)
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Date:
Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:32:27 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
WIS: I have some questions, if you could be so kind...
> I am
seriously considering getting the Water Injection System to
> test on my
car, but unfortunately, I came into this discussion
> (and the list) a bit
late. Where can I get this kit (I am assuming
> spearco, but what is the
contact info?), is it a specific kit for
> our car or is it
universal/something we have to cutom fit? Is the
> installation pretty
straightforward, any pointers?
You can call Spearco directly at (818)
901-7851. There are also a couple
shops that sell the kits. I
can't recall them at the moment, although if
you do a web search for it
you'll find it. Cost direct from Spearco is
$160. You need the
Turbo kit. It is a universal kit, and mine came with
not enough plugs
to fill all the holes in the water container. :-( So
you'll need
to take the other plugs to the hardware store and match up a set
to
completely seal the box if your kit is short.
For installation, I bought
a Black Panther Predator battery
(http://www.blackpanther.com) through Jegs
(http://www.jegs.com), set it on
its "back"
so the terminals point towards the engine and then placed the
water injection
tank and associated hardware next to the strut tower on the
battery
tray. I had to drill a hole in the battery tray to allow the
lower
water fitting to pass through the tray on its way to the pump. I
mounted
the pump to the lower edge of the tank towards the passenger
compartment and
mounted the pressure actuator switch on the top front of the
tank towards
the air filter. Connect a manifold pressure line to the
pressure switch,
drill two 3/8" holes in the Y-pipe and screw in the water
injection barbs
(one contains the middle-sized injection sprayer, and the
other is just an
empty barb used to pressurize the tank to match the pressure
in the Y-pipe
to make it easier for the pump to do its job). Run the
hoses and power to
the switch/pump and you are set.
> I am planning
to take my car to the weekly test and tune
> sessions, to try and work out
whatever minor bugs I might have
> before the up coming event (August
14-15th), and I am hoping I
> can have the kit installed to tune the
car.
There's not much to tweak on it, other than the actuation
pressure. Set it
for 6-8 psi as the turn-on point and you shouldn't
have a problem. Keep the
hoses as short as possible. With mine
mounted on the battery tray, there is
only about 16 inches of hose total, so
mine works very well. It takes about
a whole tank of water every other
tank of gas, more during drag racing or
autocrossing.
I know John had
some trouble with it flooding out during autocrossing, but I
ran this last
weekend with the water injection enabled and the power was
consistent with no
engine stumbling around hard corners or after getting off
the gas. I
think short hose runs are very important in the Spearco setup,
probably not
as much a factor with the ERL setup since their pump and nozzle
setup is
superior.
> Also, one of the WIS users mentioned installing a better
pump,
> where would I go about getting that?
Probably not required
if you keep your hoses short. John Basol (the guy who
recommended the
larger pump) had his mounted in the lower front edge of the
front
spoiler. I think the pump doesn't really like pumping the water
that
far uphill in a relatively small diameter hose. With it on the
battery tray
it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue. Make sure you
clean out the tank
and hoses real good before you start sealing it up.
I can take some
pictures of the final install if anyone is
interested.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
13.436 @ 99.65
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Date:
Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:35:29 -0700
From: Morgan Holly <morgan@popstudios.com>
Subject:
Team3S: extended warranty? I think not.
This is only my second post here,
I hope it's not off topic.
I have a '92 VR4 with less than 30K miles on
it and an extended warranty
from First Extended Service Corporation. The
timing belt tensioner has
apparently gone bad damaging the timing belt. The
total repair is $750
including a new timing belt. The timing belt IS covered
by the warranty,
but the dealer says the non-covered tensioner caused the
damage so I need
to pay for it. The dealer ALSO wants close to $800 bucks to
fix the wind
noise problem with the driverside window. Jeeze.
The
factory warranty covers the tensioner. I thought I was extending the
factory
warranty when I forked over $2,240 for the extendo.
Nope. Does anyone
have experience with tensioners failing on the VR4? Does
anyone know of a
good VR4 mechanic in Santa Monica?
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Date:
Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:10:28 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: WI
- Pump
John-
What year and model car do you have? And what is
the
water injection supposed to do for you? I'm ignorant on
this
subject.
Regards, ptg
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:49:53 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: WI - Pump
Paul, please have a look at the digest archive as a lot
conversation has
done in the past. Also have a look at ERL http://www.aquamist.co.uk as they
are
giving you some introduction on this topic.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
>What year and model car do you have? And what is
the
>water injection supposed to do for you? I'm ignorant
on
>this subject.
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:24:20 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Need phone number for Buschur Racing...
Hey, got a friend desperately in
need of a hi-flow cat for his Talon's Buscher exhaust.
I've not been able to
bring up his page for several days now and I don't have the number
at
hand?
thanks a bunch,
Jason
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:14:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject:
Team3S: APEX'i Super AVC-R (Group Purchase) (fwd)
Hello
Folks,
Mark Hindelang on the starnet list is trying to get a group
purchase of
APEX-i Super AVC-R units together. So far, he isn't having
a great deal
of response, but I think this is due to the fact that he is
targeting the
wrong audience.
I have forwarded the latest of his emails
here.
All questions should be addressed to:
hindelan@pilot.msu.edu
Regards,
Dennis
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:30:02 -0400
From: Mark Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
To: stealth@starnet.net
Subject: APEX'i
Super AVC-R (Group Purchase)
Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:45:31 -0500
(CDT)
Resent-From: stealth@starnet.net
Just
reminder. Im really pushing this because I want the group to
benefit
from what I am trying to do. This is really a once in a
life time
opportunity to get the newest model, state of the art technology
of
boost controllers at a price that would make other dealers shit their
pants. I guarantee you tell them the price you are getting from
me
(assumed we get together 10 people and actually coordinate this
correctly)
they will start crying over the phone because they would
go out of business
to sell the unit at the price that we can get
it for.
Please let me
know who are interested .. So far there are 3 people
that have responded ,
only 1 has put down the money! Still awaiting
on the other 2 for
serious commitment. I was told that there were
60 units entering the
country! 60 Units! and the guy im working with
is getting 20 of them.
That is crazy. I also think i should say
that I am not the middle
man. I am making no profit. The guy just
told me if I would
coordinate it, he would grant it if it was valid.
So im just doing the work
to get us the great deal.
Please see the unit at :
http://www.apexi-usa.com/adrevolution.htm
see
the description of what the unit is at :
http://www.apexi-usa.com/superavcr2.htm
(Please
note that the description page does not have the new picture
on it. It still
has the old unit model, they havn't changed it yet,
cuz the product in the
USA is not official yet. That is why we
have the advantage, we can get
it before anyone else does, at an
awesome, tear jerking price.
Also note that the AFC (Air Flow Convertor)
looks EXACTLY the same as the
AVCR, they are integrated looking units.
I personally have (will have avcr
soon) both units for the integrated
look, and love Apexi. If anyone is
interested in the AFC also, I
can also light you on fire with that price as
well. You will not
believe the price we can get on that! Its
crazy. The AVC-R is an
expensive unit as it is, being what it is, but
we can get a sweet
deal on it. But the AFC is sweet as hell to.
I told the guy that
i was working with that i didn't need one, didn't have
the application
for one, and wasn't going to use it anyway, but after he
gave me
the price, i couldn't afford not to get it!)
LET ME
KNOW guys. We can get this thing rollin. Roll'n Roll'n
Roll'n
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APEX'i Super AFC (New Indiglo Unit) * APEX'i Turbo
Timer *
APEX'i Super AVC-R (New Indiglo Unit) * RPS Turbo Carbon
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:31:11 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: APEX'i Super AVC-R (Group Purchase) (fwd)
Is this a good unit to
go with? Roger G. / Barry K. / Jack T. comments!!!!!!
- --
On
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:14:16 Dennis G. Bretton
wrote:
>
>Hello Folks,
>
> Mark Hindelang on the
starnet list is trying to get a group purchase of
>APEX-i Super AVC-R
units together. So far, he isn't having a great deal
>of response,
but I think this is due to the fact that he is targeting the
>wrong
audience.
>I have forwarded the latest of his emails
here.
>
>All questions should be addressed
to:
> hindelan@pilot.msu.edu
>
>Regards,
>
Dennis
>
>
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message
----------
>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:30:02 -0400
>From: Mark
Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
>To:
stealth@starnet.net
>Subject:
APEX'i Super AVC-R (Group Purchase)
>Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999
10:45:31 -0500 (CDT)
>Resent-From: stealth@starnet.net
>
>
>
>Just
reminder. Im really pushing this because I want the group to
>benefit
>from what I am trying to do. This is really a once
in a life time
>opportunity to get the newest model, state of the art
technology of
>boost controllers at a price that would make other dealers
shit their
>pants. I guarantee you tell them the price you are
getting from
>me (assumed we get together 10 people and actually
coordinate this
>correctly) they will start crying over the phone because
they would
>go out of business to sell the unit at the price that we can
get
>it for.
>
>Please let me know who are interested .. So
far there are 3 people
>that have responded , only 1 has put down the
money! Still awaiting
>on the other 2 for serious commitment.
I was told that there were
>60 units entering the country! 60 Units! and
the guy im working with
>is getting 20 of them. That is
crazy. I also think i should say
>that I am not the middle
man. I am making no profit. The guy just
>told me if I would
coordinate it, he would grant it if it was valid.
>So im just doing the
work to get us the great deal.
>
>Please see the unit at :
>http://www.apexi-usa.com/adrevolution.htm
>
>see
the description of what the unit is at :
>http://www.apexi-usa.com/superavcr2.htm
>
>(Please
note that the description page does not have the new picture
>on it. It
still has the old unit model, they havn't changed it yet,
>cuz the product
in the USA is not official yet. That is why we
>have the advantage,
we can get it before anyone else does, at an
>awesome, tear jerking
price. Also note that the AFC (Air Flow Convertor)
>looks
EXACTLY the same as the AVCR, they are integrated looking units.
>I
personally have (will have avcr soon) both units for the integrated
>look, and love Apexi. If anyone is interested in the AFC also, I
>can also light you on fire with that price as well. You will not
>believe the price we can get on that! Its crazy. The AVC-R
is an
>expensive unit as it is, being what it is, but we can get a sweet
>deal on it. But the AFC is sweet as hell to. I told the guy
that
>i was working with that i didn't need one, didn't have the
application
>for one, and wasn't going to use it anyway, but after he
gave me
>the price, i couldn't afford not to get it!)
>
>LET ME KNOW guys. We can get this thing rollin.
Roll'n Roll'n Roll'n
>
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Signature]
>
>Green 1992 Stealth TT * 54k miles
>(60K service tune up COMPLETED! ALL PARTS NEW REPLACEMENTS !
)
>Magnecore Competition KV85 Wires * K&N FIPK * HKS SSBOV
*
>APEX'i Super AFC (New Indiglo Unit) * APEX'i Turbo Timer *
>APEX'i Super AVC-R (New Indiglo Unit) * RPS Turbo Carbon
Clutch
>RSR 2" Lowering Spring Application .. (Am I happy? Yes.. )
>(Soon new piping! Exhaust, downpipe,
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:33:14 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: APEX'i Super AVC-R (Group Purchase) (fwd)
> Mark
Hindelang on the starnet list is trying to get a group purchase of
>APEX-i
Super AVC-R units together.
Is this a good unit?
What would be a good
price?
Rich/old poop/I need more power!
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:19:15 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: APEX'i Super AVC-R (Group Purchase) (fwd)
Well, the S-AVC-R is
one of the best boost controller on the market but you
know that there is a
new line from Apexi with the large screen devices. The
S-AFC is already
available and the S-AVC-R also soon. If it is the new one
then price will be
badly high as a lot of turbo guys want them and they all
pay prices above
$500 (and no one does for a EBC)
But I'd take at least one of the older
ones for a price around $300 - $350
as it is mountable somewhere and the new
one is tough to find an appropriate
place for. I'd even say it is almost
impossible to find a place for it,
especially in our cars. And hey, it has a
nice display and you want to show
it to the girlies , hehe.
IMHO, he
has to give us a price for 10, 15, 20 people and then let us
EXACTLY know
when thy will be available. I'd mabye take one if a customer is
interested :)
but not for me.
Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
>Is this
a good unit to go with? Roger G. / Barry K. / Jack
T.
comments!!!!!!
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:22:22 -0700
From: Morgan Holly <morgan@popstudios.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: extended warranty? I think not.
I caved. The dealer said that
even though I had less than 30K miles the
timing belt needed replacing as
part of the 5yr/60K service. Luckily he
said the engine never jumped time. My
warranty (if you can call it that) is
up in two weeks, so it's time to start
doing mods.
Whats a good first step ($1,000 range) "92 VR4 speed mod for
a novice?
ps. First Extended Service Corporation was the underwriter on
the warranty.
VERY unhelpful, very much a pain in the ass. Steer clear and
nail the gas
if you see them coming.
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:51:30 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
extended warranty? I think not.
> Whats a good first step ($1,000
range) "92 VR4 speed mod for a novice?
Boost controller, K&N FIPK,
good boost gauge (-30 in/hg vacuum to +25 psi,
or so). Steer clear of
the HKS EVC IV. I've heard that the Blitz DSBC,
APEXi AVC-R, and Greddy
Profec-A are good. If you go with a manual
controller, you'll save a
lot of money. For a manual controller get a
Hallman (http://www.hallmanboostcontroller.com)
for about $90, and then you
could get a cat-back
exhaust.
K&N - $150
Gauge - $50
AVC-R -
$550
----
Total:
$750
With the $250 left over you could get a decent radar detector so the
cops
don't nail you now that you are making over 400 HP...
Had a
current model Trans Am attempt to race me from a stoplight
this
morning. He started the day off with a frown on his face.
:-)
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:59:58 -0500
From: "Brett Russell" <brussell@powercom.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: extended warranty? I think not.
Matt,
Why do you say
to steer clear of the EVC IV? I'm quite happy with mine,
even though I
have not had it long. I have not heard bad things about the
unit.
Also, I have been unable to find a "good" boost guage for only $50,
most are
$140-$200 that I could find. Curious as to if you have better info
than
me.
Brett
> > Whats a good first step ($1,000 range) "92 VR4
speed mod for a novice?
>
> Boost controller, K&N FIPK, good
boost gauge (-30 in/hg vacuum to +25 psi,
> or so). Steer clear of
the HKS EVC IV. I've heard that the Blitz DSBC,
> APEXi AVC-R, and
Greddy Profec-A are good. If you go with a manual
> controller,
you'll save a lot of money. For a manual controller get a
> Hallman
(http://www.hallmanboostcontroller.com)
for about $90, and then
you
> could get a cat-back
exhaust.
>
> K&N - $150
> Gauge -
$50
> AVC-R - $550
>
----
> Total: $750
>
> With the $250 left over you could
get a decent radar detector so the cops
> don't nail you now that you are
making over 400 HP...
>
> Had a current model Trans Am attempt to
race me from a stoplight this
> morning. He started the day off with
a frown on his face. :-)
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
>
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:04:40 EDT
From: RTTURB0@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
extended warranty? I think not.
In a message dated 7/21/99 1:01:54 PM
Central Daylight Time,
brussell@powercom.net
writes:
<< Also, I have been unable to find a "good" boost guage
for only $50,
most are $140-$200 that I could find. Curious as to
if you have better info
than me. >>
Autometer has a hole
line of 2" boost gauges that fit in pillar
pods...........mine was only $46
at my local performance
shop..............came with everything to install
it..........i got a black
one with the orange needle to keep a kinda stock
look.....
Jake
91 R/T TT
http://members.aol.com/rtturb0/enter.html
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:21:36 -0500
From: "Brett Russell" <brussell@powercom.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: extended warranty? I think not.
I guess I am looking at the
Blitz and Greddy guages and others with similar
quality and accuracy...I've
also seen some more expensive Autometer guages
than a $46 model...are we
comparing vastly different quality guages?
How about others, what boost
guages are recommended and at what price?
Brett
> In a message
dated 7/21/99 1:01:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
> brussell@powercom.net
writes:
>
> << Also, I have been unable to find a "good" boost
guage for only $50,
> most are $140-$200 that I could find.
Curious as to if you have better
info
> than me.
>>
>
> Autometer has a hole line of 2" boost gauges that fit
in pillar
> pods...........mine was only $46 at my local
performance
> shop..............came with everything to install
it..........i got a
black
> one with the orange needle to keep a kinda
stock look.....
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:10:13 PDT
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Buying a 92 DS RT/TT. Need some QUICK help. Thanks!
Well guys
(and gals) guess what!
Aww you cheated and looked at the subject :( I'm
buying a Dodge Stealth
RT/TT (92) tomorrow (if everything works out, and it
should! My wife works
at the bank :) Now I will truly be able to participate
on the 3/S lists, and
not just talk about things that are in some way related
to my other cars,
AWD Talon's.
I already made the manual CD for the
3/S cars, so this was an obvious step
:). I need to know some things really
quickly, so if you have answers or
ideas, please EMAIL ME DIRECTLY at billi_gates@hotmail.com or
eagletek@hotmail.com .
Here are
the things I would like to know or get tips on.
1: Front end looks to be
repainted, but a VERY clean job, and almost
impossible to tell. ORIGINAL
panel stickers are in place, as well as the
sticker on the actual bumper core
support. So I assume whatever happened to
it was not major. No large qty's of
bondo are apparent, rad supports look
original. Rest of the exterior is
immaculate (front is too, just feel the
tape strip along the fender top when
you open the compartment).
2: Engine compartment is quite clean, but
don't know the engine history.
Transmission looks to be MUCH cleaner than the
rest of the engine (shiny),
so I assume that it has been replaced somewhat
recently.
3: Shifting to all gears is quite smooth (not like my friends
Galant VR4,
which has the same crappy DSM AWD tranny). However, shifting into
first or
even second (sometimes), while rolling at about 5mph causes a
"slight grind"
(from neutral... gear to gear shifts seem fine). It goes into
gear, but I'm
not sure why this would happen. The clutch (which seems good)
is depressed
all the way when this happens. The car feels quite strong
overall. Not as
cumbersome as I half-expected.
4: Undercarriage looks
clean, but has a little oil spray around the tcase
yoke. Not nearly as bad as
my recalled Talons tcase, but still there. No
other oil leaks are apparent.
Turbos look stock.
5: Interior: looks kinda old. Leather is cracking (not
ripped), overall
kinda dirty. It's a light tan/off-white color and black
mostly. Seats work,
AC works, no CE light, don't hear a difference when
switching from TOUR to
SPORT exhaust. Can't find the TOUR/SPORT suspension
switch (WHERE IS IT :).
It was stuck on tour when I test drove it, and it
felt pretty firm. Strange
circular crack right under the glove compartment.
Where would I get newer
seats for this otherwise beautiful car? Are 2g
Eclipse/Talon seats the same?
They LOOK the same in my head :)
Misc:
Steering wheel has a tiny amount (noticeable though) of play in it
when
turning left and right... common?
One (stock) exhaust tip (shroud?) is
missing. Looks goofy :). Replaceable?
Does this wing move around at speeds as
well?
No sun roof, can one be installed? (heard there is an extra brace on
OEM
sunroofed cars).
Wheels are nice, but not nice at the same time, They
are BBS "wire" looking
wheels, 17x7?'s.
It's got THESE WHEELS on it
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheelOnCars.jsp?cImageNumber=3
They
look nice, but leaves me wondering. What's a good set of wheels for
this car,
and that would possibly fit my talon? Is that asking too much? I
currently
have 3000gt SL wheels on my talon with no fitment problems, but
these would
be 17" or more.
The car is selling for an unbelievable (to me) 7995$, and
has 86k miles on
it. Drives and looks great. AWESOME metallic blue color,
seems the same
paint as the Viper's that come in blue, and that dodge pace
truck that has
racing stripes on it. Anyone have this type of car? Have pics
or a home
page? The TMO datalogger will work with this year car!!! yay!
Shouldn't this
car be above 10K$? It was JUST traded in, and the salesperson
doesn't know
squat about it.
I know this is a long post, but thanks
for reading this far! Now I will be
able to pester yall with newbie questions
:). Hopefully I will be able to
contribute to the list in a short time :)
Please remember to flood my email
directly, as I get the digest version of
this list, and won't be able to see
your responses BEFORE I buy the car
sometime tomorrow. Thanks again.
Vineet Singh
Dodge Stealth/3000gt/DSM
Manuals On CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org - "Never Lift To
Shift!"
91 AWD Talon
91 AWD Talon
90 AWD Talon (sold)
73 RWD 4g63t
engined Datsun 240z (in the works!)
92 AWD/S Dodge Stealth (hey, I gotta
practice :)
PS: I have too many
cars.
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:32:08 +0100
From: "Robert Jerome Mengler" <RMENGLER@statoil.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Buying a 92 DS RT/TT. Need some QUICK help. Thanks!
Hello
Vineet!
I am a newbie to the list (finally mailed you the $35 yesterday
for the CD
by the way)
and just bought a used '94 3000gt SL so I can
answer only some questions:
"Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com> on
07/21/99 08:10:13 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
cc:
(bcc: Robert Jerome Mengler)
Subject: Team3S: Buying a 92 DS RT/TT.
Need some QUICK help. Thanks!
I had my front bumper repainted
because they have no protection and are
easily "dinged" (for lack of a
better word): $500 to do mine (it had a
scratch on it and
I understand
they used a slight amount of bondo possibly to fill a few
"fissures" (for
lack of
a better word and lack of spelling). The car looks almost
immaculate on
the outside:
I had my engine and frame checked and would
recommend the same for you,
especially
if that is a unique paint job and
because of the questionable low price (it
MAY have been
in a
wreck). Look all UNDER the car and have the frame checked on
a
machine.
2ndly, my seats are cracked and if you live in Houston,
TX I know the
place that a dealer
uses here: $500 to do the 2
leather front seats and they boast that the
leather is higher grade
than
the original: I wrote the grade down and can look it up tonight when I
get
home if you want.
I believe they quoted me $1200 for the entire car.
I
looked into the sunroof too because I really wanted one but when they
told me
there was only
one power sunroof that would work well (and not seem too
"cheap" like the
manual ones, "as
these are nice cars") I decided I could
open the windows instead. I'll
re-do the seats first.
I wish I had
that info with me and can look it up too, but I believe the
price was
$900. It may
be worth it to you.
My TOUR/SPORT button is
just to the right of the steering wheel. It is
hard for me to tell
the
difference in handling when going over bumps, I haven't tried to notice
the
difference on
cornering. Hope that
helps.
Bob
1: Front end looks to be repainted, but a VERY clean
job, and almost
5: Interior: looks kinda old. Leather is cracking (not
ripped), overall
kinda dirty. It's a light tan/off-white color and black
mostly. Seats work,
AC works, no CE light, don't hear a difference when
switching from TOUR to
SPORT exhaust. Can't find the TOUR/SPORT suspension
switch (WHERE IS IT :).
It was stuck on tour when I test drove it, and it
felt pretty firm. Strange
circular crack right under the glove compartment.
Where would I get newer
seats for this otherwise beautiful car? Are 2g
Eclipse/Talon seats the
same?
No sun roof, can one be installed?
(heard there is an extra brace on OEM
sunroofed cars).
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheelOnCars.jsp?cImageNumber=3
They
look nice, but leaves me wondering. What's a good set of wheels for
this car,
and that would possibly fit my talon? Is that asking too much?
I
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:39:41 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Buying a 92 DS RT/TT
> 3: Shifting to all gears is quite smooth (not
like my friends Galant VR4,
> which has the same crappy DSM AWD tranny).
However, shifting into first or
> even second (sometimes), while rolling
at about 5mph causes a
> "slight grind"
> (from neutral... gear to
gear shifts seem fine). It goes into
> gear, but I'm
> not sure why
this would happen. The clutch (which seems good) is depressed
> all the
way when this happens. The car feels quite strong overall. Not as
>
cumbersome as I half-expected.
Probably just put in some fresh tranny
fluid. I have the Mobil synthetic in
mine, and it works fine although
others have complained about it.
Synchroshift or Redline work well in these
trannies also.
> don't hear a difference when switching from TOUR
to
> SPORT exhaust. Can't find the TOUR/SPORT suspension switch
(WHERE
> IS IT :).
> It was stuck on tour when I test drove it, and
it felt pretty
> firm.
The actuator for the sport mode of the
exhaust is probably bad. If you look
under the car on the driver's side
muffler there is a valve on the piping
that moves a little gate to switch
exhaust modes. I my old '94 VR4 the
cable linkage just came off
there. Check it out, it shouldn't be too hard
to fix if it is something
simple. If the actuator motor is screwed, just
wire the gate in the
Sport position. It isn't that much louder than the
Tour position and
you get a little more power in the upper RPMs. Suspension
switch is
called "ECS" and the switch is located on the dash near where the
wiper
control is. Lower button, under the rear defroster button (if
I
remember right).
> Misc: Steering wheel has a tiny amount
(noticeable though) of play in it
> when turning left and right...
common?
There is more play than in a DSM car, or rather the steering is
less
sensitive near the centered position.
> One (stock) exhaust
tip (shroud?) is missing. Looks goofy :). Replaceable?
If the bracket
that holds it is gone, then you are SOL. Rear exhaust system
would need
to be replaced. Just throw on an aftermarket cat-back system (I
like
the Borla - sounds tough!). You won't miss the "tunable
exhaust".
> Does this wing move around at speeds as well?
Not
on the Stealth, only on VR4's through '95.
> No sun roof, can one be
installed? (heard there is an extra brace on OEM
> sunroofed
cars).
Not recommended, but probably do-able.
> They look nice,
but leaves me wondering. What's a good set of wheels for
> this car, and
that would possibly fit my talon? Is that asking too much? I
> currently
have 3000gt SL wheels on my talon with no fitment problems, but
> these
would be 17" or more.
Wheels should be 17x8 or 18x8. I don't know
the offset offhand.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:35:56 -0700
From: Morgan Holly <morgan@popstudios.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: extended warranty? I think not.
Thats a joke right? My
extended "warranty" just lapsed.
At 1:41 PM -0500 7/21/99, Merritt
wrote:
>Quick! Buy an extended warranty! It's your last chance to get one
through
>the dealer.
>
>Rich/old poop
Thats a joke
right? My extended "warranty" just lapsed.
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:50:01 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Buying a 92 DS RT/TT
> > 3: Shifting to all gears is
quite smooth (not like my friends Galant VR4,
> > which has the same
crappy DSM AWD tranny). However, shifting into first or
> > even second
(sometimes), while rolling at about 5mph causes a
> > "slight
grind"
> > (from neutral... gear to gear shifts seem fine). It goes
into
> > gear, but I'm
> > not sure why this would happen. The
clutch (which seems good) is depressed
> > all the way when this
happens. The car feels quite strong overall. Not as
> > cumbersome as I
half-expected.
>
> Probably just put in some fresh tranny
fluid. I have the Mobil synthetic in
> mine, and it works fine
although others have complained about it.
> Synchroshift or Redline work
well in these trannies also.
Mobil 1 synthetic is a GL-5 rated fluid and
will cause problems with our
synchros (I think it was mentioned in the past
to be corrosive to the coating on
the synchros). Definately use a GL-4
fluid in the TT tranny.
- --
Hang up and drive!
Ken
Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:04:11 +0100
From: "Robert Jerome Mengler" <RMENGLER@statoil.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Buying a 92 DS RT/TT
Say, does anyone know if it is it OK
to use the Mobil 1 synthetic
in my 3000gt SL (I know it is a different
transmission than the
VR 4 turbo)?? I am sure the shop manual won't
talk about synthetic oils.
I was thinking of switching to a synthetic and I
use Mobil 1 in my turbo
Regal (I haven't had to have any transmission work on
it but it is also
an automatic).
Mobil 1
synthetic is a GL-5 rated fluid and will cause problems with our
synchros (I
think it was mentioned in the past to be corrosive to the
coating on
the
synchros). Definately use a GL-4 fluid in the TT
tranny.
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Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:29:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject:
Team3S: APEXi AVC-R Group price (fwd)
Hello folks,
Mark just sent this one out to help clarify things some more.
Again, I am
just a messenger, so don't ask me anything, as I don't know
anything.
:)
I hope this answers some questions, and I hope things work
out!
Regards,
Dennis
- ----------
Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:57:20 -0400
From:
Mark Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
To: stealth@starnet.net
Subject: APEXi
AVC-R Group price
Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:34:32 -0500
(CDT)
Resent-From: stealth@starnet.net
( Could
someone please see that this message is relayed to the other
interested
lists, such as the 3S Team list, i don't have their email!)
Ok, I
havn't called my contact as he is out of his office today, but I
am giving
you the most recent (until i call him tomorrow) information
on the purchase
of the units. He definitely has them coming in,
he just needs to know
how many to put aside, because he said once
people find that he has them,
they are going to swamp his store.
So he told me he would help me out by not
advertising that he has
them for a couple more days, so that gives me not a
lot of time to
get 10 (9 commited, since i already have on order from him)
serious
buyers. Afterwards he will sell what he has left. but i tell
you
what guys, 1 thing is when this thing hits, backorder is going to
be
hell , so they say. and second , get it now, you are one of a
very select
few in the country that has it. and very possible some
of the other
dealers may have the same problem. i can't speak for
them because i
honestly don't know.
Current information on receive time is
about 3 more weeks, possible
less.(given there are no problems with Apexi
sending him his units.
Retailed price that i have called around claiming to
give the best
discounts available, and even ontop of that given 'smokn
deals' was
estimates from 500-589$.. my contact told me we can
coordinate together
and give it to us for $450. How is
that? Like I said I am not
making a profit from any of this, I just
want to help you guys out,
and help my contact get his business as he has
helped me out on
so many parts. So again, I am sure you can pay by
check or credit
card, etc. I think credit card over the phone would be
easier as
it would guarantee direct transfer of credit, safe, and you get
the
unit even quicker! upon getting a list of everyone that DEFINITELY
wants to do it, i will ask to create a list of names, and phone numbers
to contact you so i can voice confirm it very briefly, and then pass
the
order to my contact, and off we go.
I have been asked this over and over,
and i don't understand why
people are not getting the links, but i will post
it again. hopefully
the last time.
Pictures of the unit. ( THE AFC
and the AVC-R look EXACTLY THE SAME)
Also since the arrival of the US product
is not official yet, Apex'i
hasnt updated their new picture on the
description. But read it anyway.
It is all there, and the features are more
than to describe. These
two products together give you the most Integrated
Apexi look , and
performance. These things are really amazing!
Good luck! Lets get
going on this!!
http://www.apexi-usa.com/adrevolution.htm
http://www.apexi-usa.com/superavcr2.htm
and
those of you who are interested in the AFC
(we can get a WHIPPING price on
this as well! I DID!)
http://www.apexi-usa.com/superafc2.htm
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Green 1992 Stealth TT *
54k miles
(60K service tune up COMPLETED! ALL PARTS NEW REPLACEMENTS !
)
Magnecore Competition KV85 Wires * K&N FIPK * HKS SSBOV *
APEX'i Super AFC (New Indiglo Unit) * APEX'i Turbo Timer *
APEX'i Super AVC-R (New Indiglo Unit) * RPS Turbo Carbon Clutch
RSR 2"
Lowering Spring Application .. (Am I happy? Yes.. )
(Soon new piping!
Exhaust, downpipe,
etc)
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