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Team3S Digest         Wednesday, July 7 1999         Volume 01 : Number 225




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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:14:38 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Magnacore Plug Wires

> Topofwrld1@aol.com wrote:
>
> > stock Ignition Wire on 92 R/T NA went out 54,000 miles
> > again at 89,000 miles; seems unacceptable.
> > dealer wants $133.  Can I expect better
> > durability/no radio interference from Magnacore or just improved
> > performance/cosmetics?
> > Dennis  92  R/T low rpm miss under load.
>
> I think your dealer is pumping you for money.
> The heat load placed on your engine WITHOUT turbos is less than the turbo
> cars, yet the turbo cars' wires don't fail like that!
> I use, and probably will FOREVER use, the STOCK wires which have never
> given me any problem.  I did replace them once at around 40,000 miles
> because
> I was in there anyway and seemed like a maintenance item to do...but there
> was
> no effect.  They tested fine, just a little more resistance than the new
> ones.
> I wonder why your car REALLY is having a problem...
>
> Some have complained Magnecores sometimes pop off  the coils (stockers
> never do).
> I have seen an article in Circle Track Mag about wires and whether high,
> low, or NO
> resistance makes any hp--the final result was that it did not matter what
> the resistance
>
> of the wire is.  This was on a dyno with many brands (kept anonymous to
> protect the
> innocent and so as to maintain the purity of the idea behind the
> article)...the only one
>
> that LOST hp was Nology wires!  Article didn't name them, but noted they
> were the
> only wires requiring a special plug and to ground the outside of the wire,
> so their ID
> could be sleuthed out of the article.  I'm not saying Magnecores are bad,
> they seem
> popular and are likely great wires; but as to better than stock...?  I am
> unconvinced...
>
> Another good tech question!
> Jack Tertadian
>
You know guys, I had this same problem after replacing my wires with
Magnecors.  I talked to Frank at AA and he told me to roll the coil side
boot up a bit to keep them from popping off.  I did that, and the missing
got much better, but I still get it every once in a while.  I think a little
later this year when I have more time I'm going to try a new set of factory
wires and see if that clears it up for good.  I think Jack is right though,
especially for the price of the Magencor wires, stock wires are probably the
best bet.

-John Basol

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:51:56 -0500
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transfer case recall?

I had assumed that the NHTSA had forced Mitsu/Chryco to issue a recall on
ALL the AWD Transfer cases. This included some minivans, montero's, 3/S
cars,
and for SURE the T/E/L/Gvr4's. This recall was started by our group (club
dsm) after the deaths/injuries of some members.

I remember seeing that within a few months of our recall, the 3/S cars were
recalled as well... It's a safety defect, and minor mods should still make
it apply (in theory, any amount of modifications will not make the vehical
ineligable for the recall since it's a safety thing)

Good luck!

(Try 1888TALLMITS for good parts prices if replacement by you is your only
option. Ask for Sean, Jeremy, or Marcus, tell them you are a 3/S member.)

Vineet Singh
Manuals On CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org  -  "Never Lift To Shift!"

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:19:54 -0600
From: "Michael O'Krancy" <mokrancy@renaissance.ca>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Team3S Digest V1 #224

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Boys,

I had my 91 TT stolen about 3 months ago.  The police recovered it a week
after it was stolen.  The thieves had basically taken it for a joy ride and
dumped it.  Anyway the clutch was burnt right out and other than a scratch
on the door it was fine.  Three weeks later I finally got it out of the
dealership running better than ever.   I had them install Magnecores and NGK
plugs while they did the clutch.  So I picked it up and took it on a 800 km
road trip the next day.  That day, my tranny blew up. Insurance is covering
the cost of a new one of course but that is not my main concern any longer.
This all happened at the beginning of May and it's been sitting at the
dealership in this other city waiting for a transmission for two over two
months now.  I am finding Chryslers' lack of ability to locate a
transmission and back order stories quite tiresome.  What I'd like to ask
all of you is if you know of a US dealer that I could get a tranny from in
couple of days to a week.  I was also thinking that the difficulty here may
be that the 91 5spd. is not as common as the current 6 spd.  Would the 6
spd. fit in a 91 TT?  Are these transmissions easier to come by?  Any help
or suggestions on this matter would be greatly appreciated.  The summer is
passing by and I really wouldn't mind driving my car.  Also worth noting
(for shipping reasons)  is that I live in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. 

Thanks

mike

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:18:02 -0700
From: "Murat Okcuoglu" <murat@ashacorp.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Team3S Digest V1 #224

According to my investigation, rear end ratios are different between the 5sp
and 6 sp.

I know the transfer case ratios are also different .

it is my understanding  that 5sp / 6sp transaxles and transfer cases cannot
be mixed and matched.

I know prop shafts are not identical.

all of the above makes a 6sp swap unfeasible.

any comments or experience?

PS: chrysler attempts to use rebuild transaxles when they can. I suggest you
check both ways.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:55:15 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Elkhart Lake this weekend

I'm going to the Trans-Am/CART races at Road America in Elkhart Lake, WI,
this weekend.
We'll be leaving Thursday night.

If any Stealth/3000GT folks are planning to be there, I'd like to meet up
with you. We can swap lies over a brat and a beer (best racetrack food in
the world!).

If you don't link up with me via e-mail ahead of time, look for a black 94
vr4 with big white brake scoops parked near the press building (across the
track from the pits, at the start/finish line), and leave a note. I'll find
you.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:30:36 -0400
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Team3S: ECS question.

If I remember correctly, a while back somebody posted that depending
upon the sequence of the "tour/sport" flashes, you can determine which
strut is bad, or needs checking. Mine is flashing "tour..tour..sport".
Can anybody help me so I can pinpoint the problem, as I believe it is
only a loose wire.

Thanks,
Matt
#311
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:25:30 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: Team3S Digest V1 #224

6 speed:   3.307 gear ratio
5 speed:   3.553 gear ratio

6 speed propeller shaft (front portion) is about 1" shorter than 5 speed..
Cost at a driveshaft shop to shorten ~50-100.00.

Shifter cables are different.  5 speed cables will work, but do not feel
great.

If you have to replace the 5/6 speed and are planning to drive the cars
hard, 6 speed transfer cases have a cast iron snout, where all the 5 speed
ones are aluminum.

Over all the 6 speed is much stronger.  Final ratio is only 7.5% difference
at the rear wheels for the gear ratio.  This could be made up with a
slightly different size tire on the rear/front.
I'm not sure how much this would affect handling...


Brad
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[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Murat Okcuoglu
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:18 PM
To: Michael O'Krancy; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Team3S Digest V1 #224

According to my investigation, rear end ratios are different between the 5sp
and 6 sp.

I know the transfer case ratios are also different .

it is my understanding  that 5sp / 6sp transaxles and transfer cases cannot
be mixed and matched.

I know prop shafts are not identical.

all of the above makes a 6sp swap unfeasible.

any comments or experience?

PS: chrysler attempts to use rebuild transaxles when they can. I suggest you
check both ways.

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:33:08 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: Team3S: 94 black headlights for sale

If anyone is looking for some, I have a pair which is in very good
condition.  I am taking offers.
Thanks
Joshua
Joshua@princelaw.com
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 05:41:46 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Team3S Digest V1 #224

The CASE itself is iron/stronger on the 6 speeds, it has an
aluminum (like 5 speeds) case extension/"snout" that leads to the
driveshaft.
Jack T.

Brad Bedell wrote:

> If you have to replace the 5/6 speed and plan drive
> hard, 6 speed transfer case has cast iron snout; all the 5 speed
> ones are aluminum.
> Over all the 6 speed is much stronger.

The torque rating for the trans are almost exactly the same -- JT


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:37:42 -0700
From: "Murat Okcuoglu" <murat@ashacorp.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Team3S Digest V1 #224

if you drive the car with different front /rear ratios, you will destroy the
center differential viscous coupling. 7.5% is about 200rpm at freewway
speeds, way way over the treshold of the coupling.

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:50:19 -0600
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: Team3S: Custom IHI turbos for sale

Well all I'm getting rid of the ihi turbos to go bigger and badder for my
new setup. These will be available off the car on July 19th. The turbos are
td04 with ihi compressors. The turbos have about 5,000 miles no oil no
nothing just barely broken in on my books. The car has always had Mobil
synthetic in it. Now these are in between turbos of the 13g and the 15g.
They have a spool up of about 3800 rpm and my car did a best of 12.76 1/4 up
here at 6800ft at bandimere's (could of been better with a not so rich
situation plus better driver too :)!). They produce about 15.5 psi at the
upper rpms (6,000 rpm) and max at 1.3 bar. TEC built the turbos and they are
made after the Infamous Hennesse cars that were produced. I'm asking $1000
for the pair but will consider serious offers.

92 3000 GTO MMC
500 H.P. of broken fun again :(
Plates (HIPRESR)
(303) 689-4733

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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:55:32 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Team3S: Alignment Shops

When looking for an alignment in a new city, I look for a business that
bills it self as a "Frame and Axle" shop. It should have been in
business for a long while AND have up to date equipment.  Without the
reference of somebody who really should know and that you can trust,
IMHO, this is as good a way to pick a shop as I can think of.

My $0.02,
Lynn
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:20:30 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: 6 speed stuff: Team3S Digest V1 #224

Yes I agree with 7.5% being a problem..However, check the differences in
overall tire height from brand to brand.  You will find at least a 5%
difference in circumference due to height from the "same size tire".

As for torque ratings of the 5/6 speed transmissions being the same, I agree
also, however the lower internal gearing, along with the cast iron transfer
case makes an "Overall" stronger setup.


Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Murat Okcuoglu [mailto:murat@ashacorp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 6:38 PM
To: Brad Bedell; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Team3S Digest V1 #224

if you drive the car with different front /rear ratios, you will destroy the
center differential viscous coupling. 7.5% is about 200rpm at freewway
speeds, way way over the treshold of the coupling.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:38:39 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1-2-thud

The clutch pedal is adjusted about as high as it goes.  There's plenty of
distance to the floor after it disengages (about 1/3 to 1/2 way down), so
I'm sure its fully disengaged when the pedal is all the way to the
floor.   One nagging concern I have is whether or not I remembered to
grease the transmission input shaft splines and the clutch disc hub splines
prior to reassembly.  I may have skipped that step, although I remember
others on the list saying that this was really only necessary for ease of
reassembly.  I did grease everything else (like fork contact points).
Hopefully this doesn't affect clutch disengagement in any way.
God, I'd hate to have to tear the whole thing apart again because of a
stupid screwup like that!

Dave

Ken Middaugh wrote:

> This is the symptom you will get when the clutch is not fully released when you
> have the clutch pedal on the floor.  Try adjusting the bolt that goes from the
> clutch pedal to the vacuum assist.  Loosen the jam nut and lengthen the bolt in
> 1/2 turn increments (a little goes a long way) until the thud disappears.  The
> clutch should still grab and be fully engaged about half-way through the clutch
> pedal travel.
>
> Good luck,
> Ken
>
> David Margrave wrote:
> >
> > I'm getting a thud noise from the rear end when shifting from 1st to 2nd
> > sometimes, right as I shove it into 2nd but before letting the clutch
> > out.  It seems to occur only when I'm at relatively high (4000 plus)
> > RPMs in 1st prior to shifting.  It does seem somewhat better if I let
> > the RPMs drop down to the matched value prior to shoving it into 2nd,
> > but still occurs sometimes even under this case.  The only things that
> > stop it completely seem to be shifting from a lower RPM (i.e. < = 4000
> > in 1st prior to shift) or double clutching before shoving it into 2nd.
> >
> > So I suspect its at least partially synchro related, but in all honesty
> > I have zero problems with gear grinding or not being able to shift.  I'm
> > running redline MTL in the trans, and redline 75w90 (or whatever) in the
> > xfer and rear.  I recently did a clutch replacement and have adjusted
> > the pedal to spec.
> >
> > I remember some talk on the list earlier about replacing some type of
> > carrier bearings for the drive shaft (~$300) and failing that, replacing
> > the whole drive shaft to cure thudding.  There was also talk of the
> > drive shaft actually slapping into rubber bumper stops under the car.  I
> > guess I could test this by brushing some goo on the bumper stops,
> > driving, then seeing if any of the goo wound up on the shaft.
> >
> > Dave
> >
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> --
> Hang up and drive!
>
> Ken Middaugh
> General Atomics
> San Diego
> (619) 455-4510

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:03:47 -0500
From: "Dennis Moore" <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: Team3S: End of the Tire Saga

Subtitle: Another Heaping of Praise on Firestone SZ50

Hi all,

It's been about a week since I got my car back, newly shod with 245/50ZR16
Firehawk SZ50's.  Yahoo!  I have to echo the sentiments of a couple of you
who have gushed about them.  I've tested them on wet roads, dry roads, curvy
roads, straight roads, and I give 'em an "A"!  Road noise is better than
expected, and the "point-n-shoot" performance of the steering is *so* much
better than it used to be.  They ain't cheap, but I don't regret a penny of
it!

Thanks for all the information and suggestions you offered.  I appreciate
the help.  Now I just gotta scrape up some cash to get fifth gear working
again...

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net
93 Stealth ES (107,000 miles, and the tranny is only my second bit of
"unscheduled maintenance!)

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:18:02 -0500
From: Trevor James <trevorlj@feist.com>
Subject: Team3S: Downpipe for OBDII cars...

I was going to buy Arty's ATR downpipe but I just looked at my 96 and there's a boss on
the vertical part of the pipe that goes to the rear precat for the extra 02 sensor for
the OBDII cars. Anyone know of any aftermarket downpipes that come with that boss? If I
can't find one I'll have to try those Casper Electronics O2 sensor simulators. I could
gut the precats too with those installed....

Trevor
96 R/T TT
91 R/T TT

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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:21:24 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Downpipe for OBDII cars...

Trevor;

Both ATR and Alamo have different downpipe for 91-93 and 94-up to account
for the additional sensor.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth





I was going to buy Arty's ATR downpipe but I just looked at my 96 and
there's a boss on
the vertical part of the pipe that goes to the rear precat for the extra 02
sensor for
the OBDII cars. Anyone know of any aftermarket downpipes that come with that
boss? If I
can't find one I'll have to try those Casper Electronics O2 sensor
simulators. I could
gut the precats too with those installed....

Trevor
96 R/T TT
91 R/T TT


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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:19:04 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Tires and wheels

Hey gang:

Just spoke with the folks at Tire Rack and ordered a set of Yokohama A032Rs
($163 each, plus tax and shipping). Next will be a set of street wheels and
 tires.  I can see the air in two of my street tires.

I spoke with their technical wizard, John Rastetter, and he knows our cars
well. He warned me about getting a cheapie wheel for open track racing,
because of the deep offset on our wheels. So we decided to use my stock
chromies to mount up the Yokos, and maybe I'll order a set of street wheels
and tires later.

Geez... wheels suitable for racing are $450 or so. The chromies may be
heavy, but they are very strong. And cheap.

He said I can run the Yokos on the street, because they come with 6/32nds
of tread, and have a pattern suitable for use in the rain. He says I can
expect 6-7,000 miles of street use plus competition at autocrosses and open
track events.
Sounds like about a season's worth of wear, which is what I wanted. I can
even drive on them to events 300 miles away.

I can't wait for the next Corvette club autocross -- last time, I got all
but one Vette. With these new sticky tires, that bad ass 454 will be
history, dude. 

John also confirmed what I've said here before -- that the new BFG G-Force
race tires only come shaved, with 3/32nds of tread.

BTW, he said an 18 in. wheel and tire is exactly the same height -- 27.5
in. -- as a 17 in.  I didn't know that.  If I can't find a cheap set of
stock 17 in. chromies, I may go to 18 inchers.

Anybody got a set of 1994 chromies (five spoke) for sale cheap? I'll take
them even if the chrome is pitted or peeling.

If you have a technical question about wheels and tires for our cars, I
suggest you give John Rastetter a call at 800/981-3783 or check the site at
www.tirerack.com.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/almost re-tired.
As in rubber, dude.


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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:08:00 -0700
From: David Chen <Neubine@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Downpipe for OBDII cars...

I had the same problem with the Bozz Speed exhaust that I put on my car. The Japanese
versions of our car like the 1st gens only have one 02 sensor. I fixed the problem by going
down to my local muffler shop and had them drill a extra hole and weld a fitting that would
fit the extra 02 sensor. I had to pay cash though seeing as I have no cats.... =) It only
caost me like $20.

David Chen
94 VR-4 "Banana Rocket"
Neubine@ix.netcom.com

> I was going to buy Arty's ATR downpipe but I just looked at my 96 and there's a boss on
> the vertical part of the pipe that goes to the rear precat for the extra 02 sensor for
> the OBDII cars. Anyone know of any aftermarket downpipes that come with that boss? If I
> can't find one I'll have to try those Casper Electronics O2 sensor simulators. I could
> gut the precats too with those installed....
>
> Trevor
> 96 R/T TT
> 91 R/T TT
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:19:46 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S: TMO Datalogger / ECU programming

I got the TMO Datalogger this weekend and finally installed it today. I
tried to install it on my old pen-notebook with Win 3.11 but it was not
sucessful. Also the DOS version won't start and failed with a nerror code. I
now borrowed a "normal" notebook with NT 4.0 and was able to install it
successfully.

I connected the RS232 adapter to the diagnose port and one line to a 12V
source. The software started immediatly and after hitting "Connect" I was
asked for the port on the PC (COM1 in my case) and the SW stated that the
Datalogger was found.

It connected to the ECU of my 93'3000GT European Version without a problem
and immediatly showed the sensor values. The information tab showed two
"unknown" fields (engine and ECU) but I know what engine is installed in the
car :-) Some sensor readings can be shown as % or real voltage (like the
TPS) while the IDC is shown in ms. There are several tabs in a window that
show such information online. The logging function consits of a graph window
that shows the actual data online as a streaming line. It can be halted and
restarted at will and records selected sensors or values an unlimited time
(I've not seen any limitation) A summary of knock amount is shown too !

Also the the display showed two error codes ! Air tremp and barometric
sensor.... of course, because my WI installation is not done yet and the MAS
is still unconnected ! All in all, it works as it is supposed to do on a DSM
car. Even the  four solenoids could be switched on/off and the injectors
deactivated one by one.

IMHO, it is an absolute necessary tool for tuning the car with all the
necessary information like knock, timing, O2 sensors, IAT, etc. With this
I'm able to compare the different programs I have for the G-Force ECU. As I
already found the locations of the constants in the program I'm now able to
change them by myself and optimize the timing and fuel map to the best
possible value. Even more I do have an EPROM emulator that allows me to
simulate the program and change the params "on the fly". I can't wait to
record the results of the knock readings with and without WI ;-))

Stay tuned,
Roger
93'3000GT TT ... well observed now 8-)


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