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Team3S Digest         Wednesday, June 30 1999         Volume 01 : Number 219




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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:04:21 -0400
From: "Michael" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: Team3S: VR4 not making enough boost

I'm not sure if it's just the humidity in Atlanta right now, but I think I'm
having problems with developing boost.  I used to keep my DSBC set around
15/70 with the warning at .98 bar.  With those settings, I could always get
it to peak around 1.00 bar.  Lately I can't get my boost over .93 with any
settings.  My first guess is a leak somewhere, but I can't find it if so.
Am I on the right track, is there an easy way to find a leak (pressurize the
system with the car off somehow)?

Michael
98 VR4, Blitz DSBC, K&N, Borla cat-back

BTW, it could just be weather related, as I haven't been driving hard or
paying attention to the boost for a couple of months, and the humidity has
soared. since then.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:14:59 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4 not making enough boost

Hey Michael, I can't remember but I think we already discussed your setup
some times ago and I'm not sure if you made any changings due to our
findings.

Anyways, a G15/R70 should result in about 1.15kg/cm2 as the difference
between an R50 and R70 is big ! I had to increase ratio by 2 points over my
normal settings to achieve the same results in the higher summer
temperatures. I currently run G20/R54 with peak of 1.07 and warning at 1.04
with -3.

Some thoughts :
- - Is the stock solenoid out of the path ?
- - Try to set my G20/R54 or someone elses wit the 9B and compare the results.
- - Increase Gain and check if you feel a difference
- - increase of humidity can reduce the desired result easily by 0.5kg/cm2
- - this is why the DSBC has four settings, haha ... you can easily get the
best settings for any ambient :)

If you have the possibility, put a temperature wire-probe into the y-pipe
and measure the intake air temperature. With a higher temperature the ratio
must be increased a little to get the same results.

Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT


- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Dienstag, 29. Juni 1999 07:57
Subject: Team3S: VR4 not making enough boost


>I'm not sure if it's just the humidity in Atlanta right now, but I think
I'm
>having problems with developing boost.  I used to keep my DSBC set around
>15/70 with the warning at .98 bar.  With those settings, I could always get
>it to peak around 1.00 bar.  Lately I can't get my boost over .93 with any
>settings.  My first guess is a leak somewhere, but I can't find it if so.
>Am I on the right track, is there an easy way to find a leak (pressurize
the
>system with the car off somehow)?
>
>Michael
>98 VR4, Blitz DSBC, K&N, Borla cat-back
>
>BTW, it could just be weather related, as I haven't been driving hard or
>paying attention to the boost for a couple of months, and the humidity has
>soared. since then.
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:30:08 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Honking goose/leaky BOV

All this BPV stuff makes me thinking. The thing is such an uncomplicated
mechanic thing, that I just can't see how it can get defective. Of course,
over the years, the spring can get weaker (as also the wastegate actuator
springs do !!) but this seems not to be a real problem.

Anyway, what if the problem can simply be eliminated by removing the stuff
and installing it again ? This is the typical dealer effect as they taking
the stuff apart, find the stuff is in good condition, putting it back
together and the problem was solved. And the cause for the problem was maybe
only the BPV mounted 1 or 2 mm deeper into the intake or they cut the vacuum
line by 5 mm as they screwed the front part when taking it off.

I'd give this a try, removing and cleaning the stuff and putting together
with some small changes, i.e. cutting the BPV hose a few mm (if long enough)
as well as the vacuum lines and mounting the BPV a little deeper or less
(depending on the original installation.

Hope this is the cheapest fix :)

Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT (never had any honking sound)

PS: I never noticed that the stock BPF cannot hold boost over 16psi.
Remember I runned boost over 19-20psi (no comment please) and after
installing the BOV I just felt a slight better response when shifting but
nothing more.

>I think defective. A 3Si poster replaced his honking BPV with a new
>stock valve and his honking stopped. The test is for how long. I have
>and knew that I was going to increase my boost from stock levels and the
>stock valve won't hold more than 16 lbs. The 1st Gen DSM will hold up to
>25 lbs. (so I'm told) and it is tried and true, and for the extra $$ it
>is was worth it to me. In your case, the test is will a replacement
>stock valve last more than a couple of years? I don't know the answer to
>that.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:42:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Porsche Upgrade calipers?

Hello all,

   I know this has come up before, but could someone provide me with a
little info about the Porsche brake set-up for our cars?

In particular, I was curious about what parts would have to be replaced,
if any cutting was needed, and also if any special brackets would have to
be fabricated?

Also, what Porsce model would the calipers be from?

Thank you for your time and assistance.

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:30:48 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Honking goose/leaky BOV

At 09:30 AM 6/29/99 +0200, R.G. wrote:
>All this BPV stuff makes me thinking. The thing is such an uncomplicated
>mechanic thing, that I just can't see how it can get defective. Of course,
>over the years, the spring can get weaker (as also the wastegate actuator
>springs do !!) but this seems not to be a real problem.
>
This reminds me of earlier this year, when I shared pit space with a Eagle
Talon during the Porsche event at Heartland Park. He had been running
strong all weekend, pulling 16 psi and running with the big dogs but then
suddenly  lost power. We looked everywhere for loose hoses, blown pipes,
disconnected wires, and pulled the plugs looking for clues. Nothing. The
car ran fine, it was just down on power. Fearing internal damage, he pulled
up stakes and drove it home.

Turns out that his waste gate had been stuck closed all these years. The
rigors of running it at a track finally broke the crud loose inside the
waste gate and it opened for the first time in years, dropping his boost
down to 10 psi, and cutting his power by half. He has since readjusted his
boost controller to work with a now-functioning waste gate and he's back in
business.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:47:29 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porsche Upgrade calipers?

>
>   I know this has come up before, but could someone provide me with a
>little info about the Porsche brake set-up for our cars?
>
Brad Bedell carries the kit. Check out his home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
or e-mail him at bbedell@austin.rr.com

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:31:35 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porsche Upgrade calipers?

>Brad Bedell carries the kit. Check out his home page:


NONONO, Brads setup is the large Brembo brake kit and is not much related to
any Porsche things.

The calipers in the Porsche kit are Porsche designed. They are made by
Brembo (aluminum 4-pistons calipers with special Porsche treatment),
includes pistons seals and special pistons materials to avoid seizure which
would occur on any Brembo caliper purchased over the counter. The Porsche
kit contains stock parts used on the 993 Bi-Turbo and MovIt in Germany
created the bolts and brackets for an universal application. The original
page from Germany can be found at : http://www.movit.de/rahmen/movit.htm

The US distributor is Ultimate Garage :
http://www.ultimategarage.com/bigbrake1.html

Price is about $2800 for the front setup (gulp)

Happy braking,
Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:23:19 -0500
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Eibach springs for sale....

Hey everybody, i forgot to mention the springs are for AWD TT models
only......$200 including shipping

Wayne
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:25:04 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Porsche Upgrade calipers?

The calipers I used are from a Porsche 993 twin turbo.

They retail for about 400.00 each.  I had to fabricate brackets and brake
lines to make them work.

I chose the Porsche caliper over the "over the counter" Brembo due to the
reasons Roger listed below.

Not to mention rebuild parts are as close as your local Porsche dealer.


Brad
Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of R.G.
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 9:32 AM
To: TEAM 3S List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porsche Upgrade calipers?

>Brad Bedell carries the kit. Check out his home page:


NONONO, Brads setup is the large Brembo brake kit and is not much related to
any Porsche things.

The calipers in the Porsche kit are Porsche designed. They are made by
Brembo (aluminum 4-pistons calipers with special Porsche treatment),
includes pistons seals and special pistons materials to avoid seizure which
would occur on any Brembo caliper purchased over the counter. The Porsche
kit contains stock parts used on the 993 Bi-Turbo and MovIt in Germany
created the bolts and brackets for an universal application. The original
page from Germany can be found at : http://www.movit.de/rahmen/movit.htm


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:43:28 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Honking goose/leaky BOV

> Turns out that his waste gate had been stuck closed all these years. The
> rigors of running it at a track finally broke the crud loose inside the
> waste gate and it opened for the first time in years, dropping his boost
> down to 10 psi, and cutting his power by half. He has since readjusted his
> boost controller to work with a now-functioning waste gate and
> he's back in business.

If it was a 1st gen Talon, most likely the clip that holds the actuator arm
on the wastegate lever just came off.  If the wastegate had been stuck
closed, he would've gotten almost 24 psi of boost near 3000 RPM, enough to
destroy the motor real quick on pump gas, not to mention it would fuel-cut
severely in an attempt to save the motor (unless he had VPC or TMO ECU
mods).

I don't think the positioning of the stock CBV corresponds to the honking
noise...  Seems like there are too many cars doing it, and we can't seem to
get rid of it with the stock valve.  Mine doesn't open just with blowing air
into it, so I think the original poster's stock CBV was likely bad, making
the problem that much worse.  I've taken mine off the car a couple times,
and replaced it with the necks of the CBV far into the hoses, shallow into
the hoses with no effect.  I'm either going to buy the 1G DSM valve from
Buschur or else try to hook the Blitz up without the stock valve in the loop
(just plugging the hoses leading to it).

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:14:04 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porsche Upgrade calipers?

>The calipers I used are from a Porsche 993 twin turbo.


Sorry Brad & Rich, I was wrong ... the caliper is the same as used in the
MovIt Porsche setup (I had the info at home, my fault !!!) Good choice for
sure :))

>They retail for about 400.00 each.  I had to fabricate brackets and brake
>lines to make them work.


Don't forget to get also good rotors :(( More $$$$

Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:17:48 EDT
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: AUTOCROSS!!!!

Hello all,
I cannot believe no one has taken me up on the autocross event in
south Florida. Well, its this weekend anyone want to enter drop me a line.

Wei-Lik Liem
(Disappointed)
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:21:57 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Honking goose/leaky BOV

>the hoses with no effect.  I'm either going to buy the 1G DSM valve from
>Buschur or else try to hook the Blitz up without the stock valve in the
loop
>(just plugging the hoses leading to it).

If you choose ONLY the Blitz or any other non-sequential BOV you'll notice
an annoying behaviour either when lifting the throttle a little or when
cruising. With the Blitz you must have the stock BPV in place. It will
release the low-med pressure while the BOV msut be adjusted to release only
high pressure.

I do have the HKS SBOV and it is sequential. Unfortunately, even the first
chamber releases too much pressure and only the step to the second chamber
can be adjusted :( Adjustment is easy but finding the right setting is hard
:((

Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:47:57 -0400
From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: Team3S: Dual Turbo Timer wiring help

I installed my dual turbo timer and there is an extra white wire hanging from the interface harness.  Is this for the clutch safety switch? ( white wire on the smaller connector into the control box) Everything works great and I spliced in the emergency brake switch but did not bother with the others.  Is there a real need for the added safety?  I am not planning on using the timer if I am parked on a hill.

Thanks,
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:12:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Bembro, Stillen, Porsche -what about baer-

Hello all,

   Since I have been on the "brake kick" of late, I know that many of you
have tried and checked out various brake set-ups for the 3/S cars.

Just out of curiousity, has anyone checked out baer? (www.baer.com)

I know they do not make a unit specifically for our cars, but they do
produce 6-piston, 13.5"+ units for various applications.

Just a thought.

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:12:38 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: Team3S: Question about stock Boost Controller

Ok, finally after 6 months of working on my 94 vr-4 which had been in an
accident before I bought it, is supposed to be done this week sometime.  I
had a boost controller and I know where to hook all the lines up but I am
not sure with regards to how to block off the stock solenoid.  Any
information would be greatly appreciated. 
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bembro, Stillen, Porsche -what about baer-

Hi Dennis,

  I think it all depends on how much you want to spent on your brake
upgrade.  There are mild to wild setups available for our car; just
depends on what you can afford. Give us your budget and maybe someone
from the list can give you some advice.

  Regards,

George
'92 RT TT


- --- "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>    Since I have been on the "brake kick" of late, I
> know that many of you
> have tried and checked out various brake set-ups for
> the 3/S cars.
>
> Just out of curiousity, has anyone checked out baer?
> (www.baer.com)
>
> I know they do not make a unit specifically for our
> cars, but they do
> produce 6-piston, 13.5"+ units for various
> applications.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Regards,
>    Dennis
>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:55:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Groaning noise at highway speeds

I'm trying to get my dealer to remedy the groaning noise @ highway speeds
which a few of you have diagnosed as a defective BOV. However, the service
manager is saying he drove some other VR4s and the noise may be normal.
How can I get them to repair this under warranty? Is there something
official I can send him?



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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:21:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Groaning noise at highway speeds

> which a few of you have diagnosed as a defective BOV. However, the service
> manager is saying he drove some other VR4s and the noise may be normal.
> How can I get them to repair this under warranty? Is there something
> official I can send him?

I personally do not know of anything official, 
However, have you tried to shift the burden of proof?
Have him produce a notice from Mitsubishi stating that this is a "normal"
noise. 

Furthermore, the noise may be "normal", but that does not mean that it
should happen.  It's normal for a Ford to have the tranny hit the dumper
after 30k miles, but that doens't mean it should happen.

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:30:08 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Groaning noise at highway speeds

> I'm trying to get my dealer to remedy the groaning noise @ highway speeds
> which a few of you have diagnosed as a defective BOV. However, the service
> manager is saying he drove some other VR4s and the noise may be normal.
> How can I get them to repair this under warranty? Is there something
> official I can send him?

Just because other VR4's do it doesn't mean it is normal.  It means there
are a bunch of crappy CBV's out there that should be replaced.  During part
throttle operation, the CBV should be tightly closed and not be making
noises like that.  The only time it should be open at all is when there's
positive pressure before the throttle plate and negative pressure behind the
plate (manifold side).  Any behavior other than this is sub-optimal.

Out of curiosity, what year vehicles is this occurring on?  If yours makes
(or made) the "goose" noise, e-mail me the year of your car and I'll compile
a list and post the results so we don't clutter up the List.  Maybe we can
narrow this down some.  My '94 VR4 never did it, and my friend's '91 doesn't
do it either.

If I was talking with that service manager, I think I'd mention that a
$45,000-$65,000 technological wonder-car probably shouldn't make noises that
sound like a goose, particularly at part throttle.  Sometimes I have to
check to make sure I didn't accidentally hit the horn button because it is
so loud in the convertible!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
mattj@fallon.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:04:25 -0700
From: Bruce Body <bbody@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Groaning noise at highway speeds

Mike,

Are you sure your noise is the same as ours? The noise we experience is
under light to moderate acceleration, not heavy, and occurs at all
speeds, not just highway speeds. My noise occurred between 3" vacuum and
10 psi boost with heaviest occurrences at 2-3 psi boost.

Bruce
3Si #0243
Former Honker

Mike Baldwin wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get my dealer to remedy the groaning noise @ highway speeds
> which a few of you have diagnosed as a defective BOV. However, the service
> manager is saying he drove some other VR4s and the noise may be normal.
> How can I get them to repair this under warranty? Is there something
> official I can send him?
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:07:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Groaning noise at highway speeds

I hear it at moderate acceleration at highway speeds/gears (5th/6th), but
lately have heard it in 3rd and 4th.

I haven't noticed what boost it occurs at. Is there anyone in the Boston
area who has a VR4 who has had this problem who wouldn't mind lending an
ear for a half hour? Or maybe someone has a WAV file?

I'll try checking the boost level when I get my car back.

PS What other problems could a GROANING sound be attributed to ? ;/

On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Bruce Body wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Are you sure your noise is the same as ours? The noise we experience is
> under light to moderate acceleration, not heavy, and occurs at all
> speeds, not just highway speeds. My noise occurred between 3" vacuum and
> 10 psi boost with heaviest occurrences at 2-3 psi boost.
>
> Bruce
> 3Si #0243
> Former Honker

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:58:25 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Groaning noise at highway speeds

> I hear it at moderate acceleration at highway speeds/gears (5th/6th), but
> lately have heard it in 3rd and 4th.

If it is more of a groaning noise and not a "honking" noise like a goose at
certain light throttle positions, then we are probably talking about
different symptoms.  A groaning noise would more likely be a drivetrain
problem.

> PS What other problems could a GROANING sound be attributed to ? ;/

Generally if it happens all the time it would be a transfer case.  If it is
in certain gears, it could be the transaxle.  Have the dealer check/change
fluids in both and see if that helps.  If either is low, that is likely (and
hopefully!) the cause and topping them off should help.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:28:09 CDT
From: Curt Gendron <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: New problem, back suspension

Alright,

Since you guys seem to be doing well with fixing my problems, here is
another one.

This problem is with my back suspension.  Probably a U-joint or something.
It started to develop during one of my 13 clutch dumps at the dragstrip last
month.  When doing a clutch dump or going over a speed bump just perfectly,
a loud thud can be heard in the rear end.  Almost a popping sound.  I know
it has something to do with the suspension or a u-joint or something.  What
could be the problem and what should I check out?  And how do I fix it? 
This problem doesn't occur very often.  And if I'd lay off dumping the
clutch, it would probably never happen.  I know its hard on the car, so
don't preach to me about that.  ;)

Thanks,
Curt G
95 R/T TT
and Author of Minnesota 3/S at:
http://www.mn3s.org


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:28:25 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Team3S: ERL Water Injection (Install update)

Hey Friends,

I had a creative day and a great conversation with Richard from ERL who
helps me with my technical questions. And you know, there are always a lot
:))

I have planned to install at least the pump infront the K&N filter. Well,
the planned space for the pump and the ERL manifold is just perfect. No
bracket must be created and only a small aluminum plate for the manifold
will help to hold it in place. Also the water lines will be pretty short as
either the y-pipe is pretty close as well as the IC tubings are.

Have a look at my temporary installation page under : (sorry, the server
sits in Switz.)

http://homepage.swissonline.ch/3000gt/water_injection.html

The position of the jets and the decision to take one or two jets is not yet
fixed. It seems that the plastic y-pipe is strong enough for an M8 thread
and It's maybe worth to give it a try :)

I keep you updated,
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:41:23 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question about stock Boost Controller

>not sure with regards to how to block off the stock solenoid.  Any
>information would be greatly appreciated.

Easy : The vacuum hose going down to the H-connector from the solenoid valve
shoud be removed from the valve and capped (it is maybe the lower one). Also
cap the now open port of the valve. That's it :))

Regards,
Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:15:38 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Honking goose/leaky BOV

Mike;

Jim, one of our co founder/admins had this problem awhile back. I believe it was more
annoying than it was actually a fault/ failing BOV.  He replaced his BOV with an
aftermarket unit (I believe) just to get rid of the noise, but as with many who have gone
this route, found little improvement in performance (limited to 15psi) but a big
improvement in the annoyance factor. There was some discussion about that time, that the
resonance was set up across the mouth of a tube inside,  and that some BOV's resonated and
some did not from day one. Possibly simply altering the mouth of the tube might change
this honking.

Best

Darc



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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:27:52 -0700
From: "Ryan Peterson" <ryanp@crcwnet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Aftermarket brake master cylinder

Anyone every replace their brake master cylinder with something other than
Mitsu (or Dodge)?  If so, what brand, are you happy with it, $ ?

Problem is, Mitsu is about $350, aftermarket $250.

Ryan P

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:27:41 -0400
From: "Micheal A. Whelan" <mwhelan@pdtech.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: AUTOCROSS!!!!

I did a Autocross in Midland Michigan last weekend.  This stuff is
excellent!!  If you think you are a great driver go do the autocross,,, one
of these races will show you what good drivers are all about.  I was getting
beat by 1.8 and 2.5's (Honda, VW, etc.)  It appears that all the power we
have is only good for bragging rights if we can't hook our car up to the
ground.

I was running street Perrelli's against cars with tires designed for the
track.  That excuse a side,  I was just plain out driven!  I wish I could
join you for the Florida Autocross,  and I encourage anyone that wants to
learn about real driving to give it a try.  I will be at the next on in our
area... Mike   Traverse City, Mi

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