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Team3S Digest           Friday, June 4 1999           Volume 01 : Number 197




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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 18:19:01 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: UPDATE on Transmission & dealer experience! (Very Long Post)

That is good news.

Are you going to follow up with letters to both of the dealerships and to
Mitsubishi?  I would request a formal apology.  It may also get you off the
blacklist.  You had a legitimate problem which their alleged technicians
couldn't handle.

My car will not shadow the garage door of a Mitsubishi dealership in my area
as long as I own it.  I have several tales, but this one was the proverbial
straw for me.  One dealership (the last remaining hope for me in this
region) actually screwed up a wheel alignment of all things on my VR4....not
once but twice in a row.


Barry

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 21:17:37 -0400
From: "J. Stephen Gula" <loco3kgt@widomaker.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

> 5,000 miles?  Steve, tell me it's a NA Base or SL model.
>

It's a base model. But until this time I haven't gone over 4000 miles.. and I checked
today.. runnin low on oil.. Saturday is the big day... new oil. I feel so bad about
this... I know my car is ready to attack me.

> Not in the owners manual, but in the service manual.  Find someone with
> the CD or something.  Also, how many miles on your ride?  MT-90 over MTL?
>

I'll tell ya how it feels when I get the MT-90 in there.. I've found the 2 drain plugs,
but not the fill.

> BTW, did you order one of the windshield banners from Gregg?  The GTO
> one?  Got any pix if so?

I did.. and it was a nice calm day when I went out to put it on.. I got the T lined up,
pressed and was flattening out the O when a huge gust of wind bent the G and ruined it.
I tried as best as possible to get the G off but I couldn't rescue it.

- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:58:00 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hood scoop update.

Ok  I redesigned the front opening and made it larger.  I think it looks
alot better.  I went to fiberglass it and the resin ate away the foam......
oopppsss I guess I used the wrong type.  So I am going to use wood next time
so there is no problems.  I have not decided if I will make a mold or a plug
yet.
    I finally got my rear axle assembly from the Dodge dealer today after
work and got everything back together.   WOW what a difference, no noise
from the rear and I can now hear the a slight noise in the transmission
(gear whine).  I am sure it was there, just covered by the wheel bearing
noise.  If anyone wants to know the story of changing the axle assembly
e-mail me off the list and I will give you the run down.
    Back to the hood scoops.  I bought two inside outside thermometers from
radio shack for $30.  I placed one outside lead in the airbox and one in the
center of the firewall.  So I tracked intake temp and under hood temp.  I am
planning on doing alot more experimenting and will run it without the hood
bumps on and off to compare.  Here are my results.

#1 After installation in the garage. (engine was warm)
#2 Cruising the highway @60-70mph
#3 Stop and go traffic in town
#4 In the garage after shut down

Intake                                       Under Hood
    Interior         Ext.                   Interior              Ext.
#1  80              108                       80              max (over 155)
#2  78               93                        78              120
#3  78              103                       78              130
#4  80              112(and rising)    78              max
I will let you guys draw your own conclusions as this e-mail is getting long
enough and since this is such a limited data set I don't think it's fair to
draw any conclusions.



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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 19:21:34 -0700
From: "Art Charette" <k6xt@arrl.net>
Subject: Team3S: Tech manuals on CD for Sale.

I have a 3S Backup Manual CD that I no longer need. Covers 91-98 3K, 91-95
Stealth, other 3S cars, body work. Win95, 98, 00, NT, 3.x, Mac, Linux. Sorry
I forgot the name of the producer, he's around the list. You can buy it new
for $40.

Ten bux and it's yours, postage paid in the USA. Earliest date time group
reply gets the address etc. I don't want to just throw it out.

Art Charette
k6xt@arrl.net
Ex 92 Stealth TT
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Team3S Digest          Thursday, June 3 1999          Volume 01 : Number 196




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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:48:45 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise

Since the transmission is somewhat new and under warranty, give it a few
thousand miles to wear in and reasses.  This does sound like normal gear
whine.  It will likely lessen over time in the most commonly used gears.  At
some point in the future before the 12mo/12000mi warranty expires you can
choose to get more opinions and go from there.

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Greetings folks,
>         I had to get my tranny replaced under warranty (yay!
> that's the second
>         tranny for me - does the car become a lemon after _three_ tranny
>         replacements?) and I'm not quite satisfied with this one as well.
>
>         When I'm in gear, and when I take the foot off the gas
> pedal, I hear a
>         whining noise similar to that of an airplane turbine jet
> engine spool
>         down (tho not nearly that loud, but the same tone;
> actually I have to
>         turn off the A/C and the radio to hear it distinctly.)
> When I depress
>         the clutch pedal or shift to neutral, this sounds goes away.  The
>         sound is prominent in the 1500 to 2000 rpm ranges, but I
> can hear it
>         from 3000 down to 1000.  The technician at the dealer
> claims that he
>         talked with the Mitsubishi tech. line and was apparently
> informed that
>         this noise was normal.  But, it doesn't sound normal to
> me, given the
>         circumstances of its occurance.
>
>         BTW, I also had the clutch/pressure plate/throw-out
> bearing replaced
>         and now the clutch pedal is not nearly as stiff as it
> used to be, and
>         I'm able to downshift with little to no 'jerkiness.'
>
>
> -sankar
> '97 VR4

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:10:19 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise

Unfortunately Sankar, 3 strikes in Mitsu's ballgame just means your out(of a
car while being repaired & $2000)not them.  As long as you have a warranty,
use it while you can.  If not happy, keep going back & making phone calls to
Mitsu - let them get the "BIG PICTURE" - cause they can't see the forrest
for the trees.

>> I had to get my tranny replaced under warranty (yay!
>> that's the second tranny for me - does the car become a lemon after
_three_ tranny replacements?) and I'm not quite satisfied with this one as
well.
>> -sankar
>> '97 VR4



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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:40:24 -0400
From: "Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: icq...????

My ICQ Number is 12006697Id anyone ever wants to chat

Edwin 98 3000GT SL
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: icq...????


>Woo Hoo! :)  another ICQ user, finally live chat! :)   For anyone
>interested... 6955201 is my UIN :)
>
>Andrew
>
>aaron decker wrote:
>
>> I am new to icq,is there any chat channels on icq or anyone
>> that wanna talk cars while i am bored out of my mind at work?
>>
>> hehehe, ok  thanks,
>> my number is 40295115
>>
>> Aaron
>> The bored person stuck in his office with only a computer
>>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:45:24 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: brakes

Brad Bedell wrote ---


> Any reason for wilwood calipers?
>
> Neither caliper will "bolt on"  some form of adapter bracket will have to
be
> made.
>
> I would do the Porsche 993 Calipers personally.  They are far better
quality
> than any wilwood caliper on the market (for a street driven car).
=======================================================================

Just got to looking at aftermarket rotors ---  was impressed some of the
NASCAR short track stuff.
Martinsville -- 500 laps -- 1000 brake cycles [ cherry red twice per lap ].
I started looking at
what
kind of stuff the circle track guys use and one of them is Wilwood. I got
their racebrake catalog
and started looking through it. High end is $ 3700 per caliper with stuff
down to $200. One of the
road race calipers [ $370 ] is a six piston differential bore unit, with a
6" pad that "looks" like
it
should stop a tank. In addition they have fluid recirculation hardware.

I've got 94 chrome 17" wheels with an inside diameter of 15 1/2", which
allow me to use the GN III
caliper with a 13" rotor [ outside radius of caliper is 7.19" ].With rotors
and top hat I've got
$1500 tied
up.

For $2600 I get the Brembo big brake set up and I think you've got $1500 a
setup [ I don't know if
your
package includes rotors]. I will look further at the Brembo and Porsche unit
if I can get some tech
info,
and I'd be happy to hear what you've got to say. I'm a relative newby at
brake systems but I'm
willing
to learn.

   Jim berry

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:50:08 -0400
From: "Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
Subject: Team3S: If Anyone missed my ICQ number Before

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Message me to chat about our cars, I would love the input on my own

Edwin
'98 Pearl White 3000GT SL
2 JL 12" W3's
MTX Thunder 2150 Amp
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 01:26:28 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fun time at MIR's Import Internationals (pretty long)...

  I almost decided not to go just because it was supposed to be around 90
degrees both
days.  I still hadn't run my car at a 1/4 mile track since the boost
controller was put
in, and the idea of watching other people run their cars while I was
standing in the sun
wasn't very appealing.  Me and my good friend Billy decided to go anyway,
what the
hell.  We opted not to take Billy's mildly modified 95 Talon TSI AWD as he
didn't want
to run his car.  It was $20 to get in for both days, and the lady at the
booth didn't
have much trouble getting the other $10 to race out of me even though I
wanted to size
up the competition a little first.  I really wasn't planning on competing,
but I didn't
wanna get laughed off the track either.
  There ended up only being 9 or 10 cars trying to qualify for the quick 8
in the Power
6 class.  Mike Mahaffey was there, but he didn't run.  He did come with Brad
Daley and
his 10.83 second Supra to the dismay of the few that knew of Brad.  There
was 1 other
Supra, 3 300 ZXs, an RX7, a Maxima, a Probe, and me.  One of the RX7s was
pretty quick,
he ran a 12.3 and proceeded to talk trash about how heavy Supras were.  I
think he shut
up after Brad ran 11.00 at 127 in the heat, in fact, the RX7 qualified 2nd
and didn't
even show for the eliminations the next day.  I was running my Weapon-R air
filter, the
Apexi AVC-R boost controller set to 1 atmosphere, Accel wires, NGK platinums
gapped at
.035, and all three cats gutted.  I've given up on speed shifting, but I was
dumping the
clutch on most runs, I just couldn't slip it good enough.  The clutch wasn't
holding up
at all, it slipped on almost every launch.  I ended up edging ahead of a
Supra that
qualified with 13.17.  I qualified 3rd at 13.16 with a clutch slipping 1.86
60' time, I
actually had to ease up on the gas a tad to get the clutch to bite.
Needless to say I
was a little surprised after not coming to compete, also a little
disappointed in the
300s.  How can a twin turbo 3 liter be so slow?
  There were 2 more rounds of qualifications on the second day.  I decided
to take out
the passenger seat and had wanted to unbolt the whole exhaust system, it's
gotta be
heavy but I settled for unbolting the downpipe and gutted main cat.  I had
also wanted
to do something with the driver's seat but I didn't have many options there,
I didn't
get a chance to see if maybe my Mother's non power Eclipse seat would fit.
Before I go
any further, I gotta tell ya how loud the exhaust is when it comes out at
the precats.
I was at my friend's house about an 1/8th of a mile from mine, my wife could
hear it
when we started the car at 12:30 am.  When it settled down to an idle it
wasn't too bad,
but ANY kind of load at 1000 RPMs or higher was almost unbearable.  It shook
on startup
and sounded almost like a cammed v8.  We took it for a spin and my friend
could hear it
clear as day when we goosed it over a mile away.  It was hard for me to say
whether it
was noticeable quicker or it was just the fact that it sounded like a
screaming semi on
steroids, turbo whine and all.
  We got the track around 10:15 a little better prepared with ice, drinks,
and a
canopy.  I even found shade under a tree where I parked my car between runs.
Without
even cooling down I ran 3 times back to back.  I managed a slightly better
13.07.  It
was still pump gas, but at least I wasn't running over half a tank like the
previous
day.  I let it cool a bit and put a couple gallons of 111 unleaded in.  I
ended up
staging  next to another Supra that showed up for qualifications, and it was
a good
race.  He ran a 12.830, I ran a 12.834, but the clocks showed the same time.
The Supra
from the previous day ended up running a 12.80 and I got bumped to 4th as
the RX7 didn't
show.  Brad's Supra was running a little rough, but he still managed an
11.41 on the
second day.
  It ended up benefiting me in 4th spot as I ran against the number 8
qualifier in the
first round of eliminations.  The clutch had been holding up all day, I was
coming out
of the hole at 7k RPMs, rear squatting, front lifting, spinning all four
tires :)  After
running a couple 12.8s, the announcers were finally giving the Mitsu it's
due respect.
The previous day it'd been Supra this, Supra that, blah blah blah.  I staged
next to the
8th qualifying 300 in the first round and came screaming out of the hole to
a 1.786 60',
8.25 1/8th, and crossed the line at 12.802 at 107.87.  I didn't know until
watching my
friend's recording that the announcer had finally given the car a little
respect saying
it was a fast street car, and ran like a bat outta hell :P  I got knocked
out of the
second round of eliminations by a 300z that hadn't run below 13.12 all day.
He had a
near perfect reaction time of .501 and ran 13.15 to my 12.899, but he
crossed the line
.113 seconds ahead of me.  He was the better driver no doubt, but I was
still a little
disappointed.  The 300 got real lucky and took first as Brad's Supra broke
after
stumbling halfway down the track, last I heard they thought it was a broken
piston and
they were going home to get the truck and trailer as it'd been driven to the
track.
  Considering the mods and the heat I thought I ran pretty well.  I was
probably also
the least modified car out of the bunch.  I'd been hoping for a 12.75 in
that heat and I
wasn't too far off.  Maybe I can run near a 12.5 on a cool day.  I was kinda
disappointed that more 3000s or Stealths didn't show up, my car's nothing
compared to a
lot of cars in the area.  But heck, I had a good time and probably wouldn't
have stayed
around that long just to watch other cars run.

talk to ya later,
Jason

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:40:47 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fun time at MIR's Import Internationals (pretty
long)...

Now that was a great post, Jason!
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 02:45:07 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fun time at MIR's Import Internationals (small
followup)...

  This event was at Budd's Creek Maryland, MIR.  I'll try to get more detail
about the
other cars' times, hopefully MIR will post the results and pictures on their
page
http://www.mirdrag.com .  It's really close to sea level, and it was
somewhere in the
neighborhood of 90 degrees.  Hopefully I'll be able to get the footage
converted to AVI
and post it somewhere.  There was also someone from Super Street taking
pictures, who
knows...

Jason
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:10:33 +1000
From: "Bryan G Langton" <blangtonb@bigpond.com>
Subject: Team3S: Urgent Brake Booster Question

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I have a 1995 VR4.  I had to stomp on the brakes for the first time =
since i bought the car. As soon as i did i heard a "Bang" similar to the =
noise you get when the ABS comes in...But...NO the bang was the brake =
master cylinder / resovouir parting company from the housing of the =
boost unit one of the bolts snapped.
Is anybody aware of this happening to them ??? has there been a Factory =
recall re the brake booster unit, ??

Any advice / help would be great. also how hard is it to remove the =
booster unit,

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:17:09 -0700
From: Yoss <yoss@aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise

Thanks for all the advice folks!  I guess I'll play the wait-and-see game,
but
when I visit the service department I'm gonna ask them to give it to me in
writing that the whining spool-down noise is 'normal.'

- - -sankar

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:15:53 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: brakes

Wilwood makes a good caliper.

I personally feel that it wasn't designed for daily use on a street car.
Lack of stainless hardware, no dust boots on the pistons etc..

However for your caliper, it sounds like a lower profile caliper than the
Brembo/(porsche) unit than I am using.  The pad swept area seems larger
also.

My kit includes rotors, however with David Skultety's experience with
breaking a rotor, I am scared of selling any more as a "kit"  I may just
offer the brackets and let anyone who wants build the lines and buy the
parts.

> Brad
      Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682



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[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:45 PM
To: team 3si
Subject: Team3S: Re: brakes


Brad Bedell wrote ---


> Any reason for wilwood calipers?
>
> Neither caliper will "bolt on"  some form of adapter bracket will have to
be
> made.
>
> I would do the Porsche 993 Calipers personally.  They are far better
quality
> than any wilwood caliper on the market (for a street driven car).
=======================================================================

Just got to looking at aftermarket rotors ---  was impressed some of the
NASCAR short track stuff.
Martinsville -- 500 laps -- 1000 brake cycles [ cherry red twice per lap ].
I started looking at
what
kind of stuff the circle track guys use and one of them is Wilwood. I got
their racebrake catalog
and started looking through it. High end is $ 3700 per caliper with stuff
down to $200. One of the
road race calipers [ $370 ] is a six piston differential bore unit, with a
6" pad that "looks" like
it
should stop a tank. In addition they have fluid recirculation hardware.

I've got 94 chrome 17" wheels with an inside diameter of 15 1/2", which
allow me to use the GN III
caliper with a 13" rotor [ outside radius of caliper is 7.19" ].With rotors
and top hat I've got
$1500 tied
up.

For $2600 I get the Brembo big brake set up and I think you've got $1500 a
setup [ I don't know if
your
package includes rotors]. I will look further at the Brembo and Porsche unit
if I can get some tech
info,
and I'd be happy to hear what you've got to say. I'm a relative newby at
brake systems but I'm
willing
to learn.

   Jim berry

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:45:46 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: UPDATE on Transmission & dealer experience! (Very Long
Post)

Hi all,

I apologize about this long post but I thought it would benefit us
all.  If you recall, I had posted the following message on 5/15/99 re: my
experience with my 2nd Getrag transmission and Mitsubishi and the fact that
I
was "Blackballed/Blacklisted" with Mitsubishi :  I have copied and pasted
that original post :  Here it is:

>>    It's great to be back on a 3Si mailing list!   Unfortunately, I am the
one who has recently experienced a Voided/Nulled warranty on my transmission
(some of you already are aware of my situation - Thank you for your
support!).   To make a real long story short (Believe it or not),  I was
DENIED a new transmission by Mitsubishi and got "Black listed" due to my
GReddy aftermarket part.  I know!  Why didn't I take the aftermarket part
OUT
before I turned my car in?  Well, they already saw my car and approved it
even with my aftermarket GReddy part in it & scheduled an appointment to get
the job done under warranty!  But, unfortunately the District manager was on
the premises on the day that I brought the car in for the tranny.  They page
me within 45 minutes and stated, "Your car has been altered by an
after-market part; that voids and Nulls any warranty you have on your VR4.
I
did not know that about your car when you came to us last week";  Yeah
right!?  They physically SAW the car!  This Service manager stated to me
that
he even documented my vin# in Mitsubishi's system that my car was "altered &
modified".  Meaning that no other Mitsubishi dealership would honor any
warranty transmission.  In other words, he "black balled"  (service
manager's
own words) me!
I am currently working on several options & ideas to pursue the
matter;  I have all documentations needed to make a good case!  The thing is
that I had tranny problems before the mods were put on (thank God, I have
documentations from the Mitsu. dealership that I tried to confirm the
problems but they denied any "faults" in the tranny).  I'll try to keep you
all posted.   If my plans work out, it will be advantageous for all of us on
this list!  But in the meantime, I have to look into alternative plans &
ideas. <<

Well, I have a mixture of emotions going on!  Here I am on June 3,
1999 with perfectly healthy transmission - So, I'm frickin' ecstatic!
MITSUBISHI Misdiagnosed my VR4 transmission problem twice & "black listed"
me- So I'm pretty P--- off at them!   IT was NEVER the transmission!  I have
been stressed out and researching for several weeks for other options of
getting my tranny running healthy again; Some of you have been very
supportive; Thank you!  And now I am aware of 2 different companies that
have
REBUILT Getrag transmissions available!  One company actually provides a
LIFETIME warranty!  Wow!  MY problem was NEVER the transmission!  Even
though
two Mitsubishi dealers were so confident in telling me, "IT is definitely
your transmission!"  Well these guys were just plain old LAZY.  They never
bothered to look into my shifter linkage control area;  so, I thought I
better look into it (since I was having a difficult time thinking about the
$5,000 for a new transmission!).
I had met GKS Racing at an IMPORT car show at Navy Pier (Chicago)
this past Sunday and explained my transmission situation out.  Let me tell
you all, I have a NEW place to go to now for all my Racing needs!   I
explained to them that the dealer never looked into the shifter linkage
control area and that would be the wisest place to start!  And sure enough!
We saw the problem right away!  The roll pin that is part of the whole
shifter linkage control area (right under the blow-off valve area on the
transmission/transfer case area) was sticking so far out that it was
actually
hitting the rest of the linkage control components!  That caused my shifter
to PREVENT me from getting into 2nd and sometimes 4th. gears.  So we
re-aligned a few parts of the linkage control area and secured the roll pin
in it's place.  LET ME TELL YOU ALL!!  IT shifts like it's going through
BUTTER!  I LOVE IT!!!!  Summer Drag Wars, here I come!
So please, my fellow 3Si members/owners & friends; LOOK into the
shifter linkage control area FIRST before you do anything with your
transmissions!  I just couldn't believe that my new transmission (from last
July of 1998) was acting up so soon!  It pays to do some research and get
some second opinions (in my case more than 2 opinions, I had 2 Mitsubishi
dealers conclude that it was the transmission! Could you believe that?); so
I
pursued the matter on my own.  I remember most of us list members complained
about a notchy shifter feel and possible lock out!  Well, check that linkage
control and save yourself about $5,000 (if you're out of warranty!) or get a
new transmission (if under warranty) ;P   Because Mitsubishi sure does NOT
know how to diagnose these problems and will assume that you need a new
transmission!  Well, Good luck all; I hope I was of some help re: this
Historic Getrag transmission problem with our fabulous cars (I'm not saying
that all of our problems with our tranny's are resolved with the linkage
control adjustments, but it's worth the check - I guess I was fortunate
enough & hope that some of us other 3Si members will benefit from this
experience I had)
Call GKS Racing in Gurnee, IL (847)360-1818 for your racing or
mechanical needs and tell them Ahmed sent ya!  Tell them that you're part of
the same mailing list team.  They were professional, experienced, polite,
patient & quite personable; I met Gary (the president), Steve & Elvin;
they're all reliable and damn experienced with Import and Domestic cars!
I'd
like to acknowledge Steve ; he is truly the one who helped me out!  We must
have spent about an hour talking at the Navy Pier show & 2 1/2 hours at
their
shop re-adjusting the linkage control area.  And he saved me from getting an
unnecessary new transmission!
GKS Racing specializes in engine work, electrical, racing
modifications, Chassis Dyno service, Nitrous Systems, Turbo/Super charging
Non-turbo vehicles & chassis engineering.  Located in Gurnee, IL
(847)360-1818

Sorry about the long post!
Later,
Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4 - Summer Drag Wars!  I am Back!  I FEEL THE NEED
FOR SSSSSS (the sound of my turbo flyin' past ya!)SSSSSSSSPEED !!
SSSSSSSSee
Ya at the Track!
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Boost gauge & pillar pod, K&N filtercharger, Alamo DP, Borla exhaust, Eibach
springs (not yet installed), KVR Cross drilled rotors
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:20:12 -0400
From: Roger Crawford <rcrawford@dbp-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!

Call me crazy..
On Monday May 31, I traded my 94 Mitsubishi VR-4 in on, of all things, a new
99 Dodge Neon R/T. Almost immediately I had regrets,and within 24 hours I
requested that the dealer *Please* allow me to return the car, and get my
trade back. The Dealers response? No way. Pay me $8500 and that's the only
option. I would have been more than willing to pay for the few miles I put
on the car, and called it a "mistake"

Turns out there's no recourse to a sale in the state of VA.

In the hopes of using public sentiment to sway the dealer, I'm asking that
everyone please write a quick note to the dealer at : mcddodge@cfw.com ,
asking them to be "fair" and reconsider. I figure that this would be
helpful, if only to sway them in the favor of public sentiment.

This is not a hoax, I'm asking that you please take a minute of your time to
help me recover my baby!!

Thank you!!

Regards,
Roger Crawford



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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:22:46 -0400
From: "J. Stephen Gula" <loco3kgt@widomaker.com>
Subject: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

Hey guys,
    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o an
oil change, and just below 5000 miles) and I was wondering what
particular oil filter you guys use. Also, I'm getting in some MT90 and
plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill me
in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain bolt(s)
are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found mine
yet...  thanks

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:34:05 -0600
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: Team3S: spark plugs

Need help, I was getting the NGK bcpr7es-11's from pep boys well I had
ordered a set of 12 for this summer and they just called saying my order is
cancelled because the maker no longer makes these :(
Who knows of anyone else who sells these and if this statement is indeed
true??? They have already refunded my $34. Thanx

92 3000 GTO MMC
500 H.P. of Fun
Plates (HIPRESR)
(303) 689-4733


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From: J. Stephen Gula [mailto:loco3kgt@widomaker.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:23 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change


Hey guys,
    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o an
oil change, and just below 5000 miles) and I was wondering what
particular oil filter you guys use. Also, I'm getting in some MT90 and
plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill me
in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain bolt(s)
are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found mine
yet...  thanks

- - --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:35:40 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!

At 02:20 PM 6/3/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Call me crazy..
>On Monday May 31, I traded my 94 Mitsubishi VR-4 in on, of all things, a
new
>99 Dodge Neon R/T. Almost immediately I had regrets,and within 24 hours I
>requested that the dealer *Please* allow me to return the car, and get my
>trade back. The Dealers response? No way.

Go see a lawyer. Immediately. In Iowa, we have 3 days to change our minds.

Rich/old poop/married to one
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:24:35 -0600
From: David J Moravek <david.moravek@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!

You should ALWAYS have a few days to take the car back... They are
filling you will a buncg of CRAP - GO GET IT BACK NOW.



On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:20:12 -0400 Roger Crawford <rcrawford@dbp-inc.com>
writes:
> Call me crazy..
> On Monday May 31, I traded my 94 Mitsubishi VR-4 in on, of all
> things, a new
> 99 Dodge Neon R/T. Almost immediately I had regrets,and within 24
> hours I
> requested that the dealer *Please* allow me to return the car, and
> get my
> trade back. The Dealers response? No way. Pay me $8500 and that's
> the only
> option. I would have been more than willing to pay for the few miles
> I put
> on the car, and called it a "mistake"
>
> Turns out there's no recourse to a sale in the state of VA.
>
> In the hopes of using public sentiment to sway the dealer, I'm
> asking that
> everyone please write a quick note to the dealer at :
> mcddodge@cfw.com ,
> asking them to be "fair" and reconsider. I figure that this would be
> helpful, if only to sway them in the favor of public sentiment.
>
> This is not a hoax, I'm asking that you please take a minute of your
> time to
> help me recover my baby!!
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Regards,
> Roger Crawford
>
>
>
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:19:53 -0500
From: S J Cowan <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

Steve:

>Hey guys,
>    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o
>an
>oil change, and just below 5000 miles)

5,000 miles?  Steve, tell me it's a NA Base or SL model.

>and I was wondering what
>particular oil filter you guys use.

Mobil 1 all the way.

>Also, I'm getting in some MT90
>and
>plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill
>me
>in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain
>bolt(s)
>are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found
>mine
>yet...  thanks

Not in the owners manual, but in the service manual.  Find someone with
the CD or something.  Also, how many miles on your ride?  MT-90 over MTL?
 I've had real good luck with another synthetic called GM Synchromesh.  I
did not like the MTL.

BTW, did you order one of the windshield banners from Gregg?  The GTO
one?  Got any pix if so?

Thanks,

SJ

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>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:08:44 -0400
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

Most people on the list swear by the OEM Mitsubishi oil filter.

If you're getting Mobil1 oil, look for a place that's offering a
"do-it-yourself" change special: an Autozone up here in Mass was offering 5
quarts of Mobil1 (any grade) and a Mobil1 filter for $21.50 (I bought 2 sets
with 15w50 oil). Otherwise the Mobil1 filter is $10 by itself.

Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem to
work really well.

Other brands have caused problems with oil flow.


I don't know for sure where the transmission drain and fill plug are on a
nonturbo. I believe the drain plug is in the same place: on the bottom of
the transmission, on the side. The fill plug should be on top of the tranny,
under/in front of the airbox somewhere... that area that's blocked by
intercooler piping in a turbo. :-)

   -Ed



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From: J. Stephen Gula [mailto:loco3kgt@widomaker.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 2:23 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change


Hey guys,
    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o an
oil change, and just below 5000 miles) and I was wondering what
particular oil filter you guys use. Also, I'm getting in some MT90 and
plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill me
in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain bolt(s)
are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found mine
yet...  thanks

- - --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:11:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Danvers Gathering this weekend!

Hello all,

  Thought I would send out an email reminder that the Danvers Gathering is
THIS weekend!

   Check out this URL:  http://www.gis.net/~3kgt/

Hope I reminded some people, and informed some others.

Have fun!

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:11:53 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

Go with the Mobil 1, K&N makes a good one, and was also looking at the Bosch
Premium (at Auto Zone) - it looks and seems to be almost like the Mobil 1
(at 1/2 the price).  Wouldn't go with Fram or one of the cheapos - cause you
will pay later.
- - --

On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:22:46   J. Stephen Gula wrote:
>Hey guys,
>    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o an
>oil change, and just below 5000 miles) and I was wondering what
>particular oil filter you guys use. Also, I'm getting in some MT90 and
>plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill me
>in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain bolt(s)
>are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found mine
>yet...  thanks
>
>--Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:18:15 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

i
>
> Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem
to
> work really well.
>
> Other brands have caused problems with oil flow.
>
========================================================================
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html

the site shown above tests oil filters and he didn't have anything good to
say about Fram.
Keep in mind when reading that this is one mans opinion.

Jim Berry  >>>          93 stealth TT ---- "arrest me red"
                       K&N FPIK -- Magnicore/.034" --- Blitz SSBC
                           [soon] --- GAB struts --- Stillen SS lines
                                 GC/Eibach  550# F/330# R
                    Gtech --- 0-60 = 4.75 -- 1/4 = 13.3 @ 110 mph

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:25:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

>
> Most people on the list swear by the OEM Mitsubishi oil filter.
>
> If you're getting Mobil1 oil, look for a place that's offering a
> "do-it-yourself" change special: an Autozone up here in Mass was offering
5
> quarts of Mobil1 (any grade) and a Mobil1 filter for $21.50 (I bought 2
sets
> with 15w50 oil). Otherwise the Mobil1 filter is $10 by itself.
>
> Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem
to
> work really well.
>
> Other brands have caused problems with oil flow.

Though I only drive a SOHC, I have had experience with the following
filters: (in order of preference)

Mobil 1
Mitsubishi OEM
K&N
Fram
Pep Boys generic brand


The Mobil 1 is the best oil filter I have used.  I have noticed that it
has actually assisted in minimizing the lifter tick noise.  Now, it only
creeps up a little in the morning (for about 1 second), and only for a few
seconds in the cold winter mornings.  (I'm happy)
The problem is that it is small, very small.  Easy to grip, but hard to
get off.  Most oil filter wrenches are too big to grip it.


The OEM filter works well also.  I think that it also helped in reducing
the lifter tick, but not a lot, and not nearly as much as the Mobil, in my
opinion.  It does the job, but is a little on the pricey side, since it is
OEM.


When I first tried the K&N, I had a slight leak on my car.  For some
reason, "hand-tight + a little" was not tight enough.  Usually, with many
oil filters, tightening the filter with that much pressure should be
sufficient.  However, I had to tighten the K&N up a bit more (don't know
why).
It seemed to work alright.  The 1" nut is a great idea, but the filter was
located  in such a position that it made it as difficult to get a socket
wrench in there as an oil filter wrench.  So, for me at least, I gained
nothing with the 1" nut.

The Fram worked decently, nothing great.  Since I noticed no difference in
lifter noise between the K&N and the Fram, given the choice between the 2,
I would pick the Fram due to its price.


That's all I have to offer. I hope this helps out.

Regards,
   Dennis



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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

> >
> > Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem
to
> > work really well.
> >
> http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
>
> the site shown above tests oil filters and he didn't have anything good
> to say about Fram.  Keep in mind when reading that this is one mans
> opinion.

This is quite an interesting site!  He has some good points to make, and
has some interesting insights into the oil filter manufacturers.
Apparently he likes the Mobil 1 filter the best (as do I).

Now, who is going to cut open one of our Mitsu OEM filters to find out who
makes it? :)

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:49:18 -0400
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change

After reading said article, can I retract my reccomendation for Fram
filters?

I've been using the Tough Driver filters, which seemed to work well, but
apparently have a risk of disitigrating and allowing glue to flow into your
engine...

Time to go buy some more Mobil1 change specials.

   -Ed



- - -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 4:18 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change



i
>
> Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem
to
> work really well.
>
> Other brands have caused problems with oil flow.
>
========================================================================
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html

the site shown above tests oil filters and he didn't have anything good to
say about Fram.
Keep in mind when reading that this is one mans opinion.

Jim Berry  >>>          93 stealth TT ---- "arrest me red"
                       K&N FPIK -- Magnicore/.034" --- Blitz SSBC
                           [soon] --- GAB struts --- Stillen SS lines
                                 GC/Eibach  550# F/330# R
                    Gtech --- 0-60 = 4.75 -- 1/4 = 13.3 @ 110 mph

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:07:44 -0400
From: Roger Crawford <rcrawford@dbp-inc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!

NOT in the state of VA. I checked with our corporate laywer, who does
nothing but contract law..

Unless public sentiment will sway them, it's a goner.. God, I feel sooooo
stupid!

Thanks again,
Roger

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From: David J Moravek [mailto:david.moravek@juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 3:25 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!


You should ALWAYS have a few days to take the car back... They are
filling you will a buncg of CRAP - GO GET IT BACK NOW.



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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:57:51 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: wheel bolt spacing

Anybody know the center hole diameter, the stud circle and the stud hole
diameter
for our wheels.

 Jim Berry

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:51:50 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: UPDATE on Transmission & dealer experience! (Very Long Post)

Barry,

That wouldn't happen to have been Mark's was it.  A buddy on mine at work just had his motor rebuilt there and when he went to pick it up, they gave him the "BAD" news that his electrical harness was shot - another $1500 on top of the $5k he was already being asked to shell out for the motor job.  He had the car less than a week before it spun a bearing.  He's been working thru his 'Warranty' company, the dealer who sold it to him, and Marks to get his car back - over 2 months after he bought it.
- --

On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 18:19:01    Barry E. King wrote:
>That is good news.
>
>Are you going to follow up with letters to both of the dealerships and to
>Mitsubishi?  I would request a formal apology.  It may also get you off the
>blacklist.  You had a legitimate problem which their alleged technicians
>couldn't handle.
>
>My car will not shadow the garage door of a Mitsubishi dealership in my area
>as long as I own it.  I have several tales, but this one was the proverbial
>straw for me.  One dealership (the last remaining hope for me in this
>region) actually screwed up a wheel alignment of all things on my VR4....not
>once but twice in a row.
>
>
>Barry
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:53:58 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: spark plugs

In a message dated 6/3/99 1:35:09 PM Central Daylight Time, pala@gwl.com
writes:

<< Need help, I was getting the NGK bcpr7es-11's from pep boys well I had
 ordered a set of 12 for this summer and they just called saying my order is
 cancelled because the maker no longer makes these :(
 Who knows of anyone else who sells these and if this statement is indeed
 true??? They have already refunded my $34. Thanx
 
 92 3000 GTO MMC
 500 H.P. of Fun
 Plates (HIPRESR)
 (303) 689-4733
  >>

I believe the NGK part # for our cars is PFR-6J11
I hope that helps!

Ahmed - '92 VR4
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:01:27 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: UPDATE on Transmission & dealer experience! (Very Long Post)

No, although it was Mark's Mitsubishi that started my car on fire requiring
a new wiring harness...gee, this sounds familiar...

The alignment was Bell.  And Mesa isn't getting even a phone call from me
for other reasons -- same old story though.  The source of the majority of
my grief was Scottsdale which went under -- no surprise there at all.  That
leaves the new dealership out in Mesa there...but I likely won't call them
due to the fact that they probably just hired the dead beats from the
Scottsdale store.

The best dealerships seem to be several thousand miles away, and even then
they sure seem to be few and far between.  In AZ it seems Mitsubishi dealers
only want to sell SUVs and commodity cars to people who just drive them and
buy new ones every two years.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Barry,
>
> That wouldn't happen to have been Mark's was it.  A buddy on mine
> at work just had his motor rebuilt there and when he went to pick
> it up, they gave him the "BAD" news that his electrical harness
> was shot - another $1500 on top of the $5k he was already being
> asked to shell out for the motor job.  He had the car less than a
> week before it spun a bearing.  He's been working thru his
> 'Warranty' company, the dealer who sold it to him, and Marks to
> get his car back - over 2 months after he bought it.

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:11:06 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: UPDATE on Transmission & dealer experience! (Very Long Post)

Well Mesa was my problem, where he wanted to give me a "deal" on my trashed tranny and transfer case.  He was willing to let me walk out the door at supposedly his cost - $5200.  That was all after charging me $800 for a clutch and the news that "WE" 3000 owners thrashed our cars, causing the tranny to drop so often.  I think he's more into Hondas any way - where the money is.  I think he also owns Tempe too, so your right - we're stuck high and dry in the big Phoenix desert.
- --

On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:01:27    Barry E. King wrote:
>No, although it was Mark's Mitsubishi that started my car on fire requiring
>a new wiring harness...gee, this sounds familiar...
>
>The alignment was Bell.  And Mesa isn't getting even a phone call from me
>for other reasons -- same old story though.  The source of the majority of
>my grief was Scottsdale which went under -- no surprise there at all.  That
>leaves the new dealership out in Mesa there...but I likely won't call them
>due to the fact that they probably just hired the dead beats from the
>Scottsdale store.
>
>The best dealerships seem to be several thousand miles away, and even then
>they sure seem to be few and far between.  In AZ it seems Mitsubishi dealers
>only want to sell SUVs and commodity cars to people who just drive them and
>buy new ones every two years.
>
>
>Barry
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> Barry,
>>
>> That wouldn't happen to have been Mark's was it.  A buddy on mine
>> at work just had his motor rebuilt there and when he went to pick
>> it up, they gave him the "BAD" news that his electrical harness
>> was shot - another $1500 on top of the $5k he was already being
>> asked to shell out for the motor job.  He had the car less than a
>> week before it spun a bearing.  He's been working thru his
>> 'Warranty' company, the dealer who sold it to him, and Marks to
>> get his car back - over 2 months after he bought it.
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:20:15 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: UPDATE on Transmission & dealer experience! (Very Long Post)

In a message dated 6/3/99 8:18:30 PM Central Daylight Time, beking@home.com
writes:

<< That is good news.
 
 Are you going to follow up with letters to both of the dealerships and to
 Mitsubishi?  I would request a formal apology.  It may also get you off the
 blacklist.  You had a legitimate problem which their alleged technicians
 couldn't handle.
 
 My car will not shadow the garage door of a Mitsubishi dealership in my area
 as long as I own it.  I have several tales, but this one was the proverbial
 straw for me.  One dealership (the last remaining hope for me in this
 region) actually screwed up a wheel alignment of all things on my VR4....not
 once but twice in a row.
 
 
 Barry >>
 
Yes Barry, I do plan on contacting the dealerships and corporate Mitsubishi;
I just need some time to "cool off"; I am too upset with them right now! 
Need to compose a good letter.  Thank you for your suggestion.

Later,
Ahmed - '92 VR4
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:26:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tech manuals on CD for Sale.

I am interested so where do I send the check???


- --- Art Charette <k6xt@arrl.net> wrote:
> I have a 3S Backup Manual CD that I no longer need.
> Covers 91-98 3K, 91-95
> Stealth, other 3S cars, body work. Win95, 98, 00,
> NT, 3.x, Mac, Linux. Sorry
> I forgot the name of the producer, he's around the
> list. You can buy it new
> for $40.
>
> Ten bux and it's yours, postage paid in the USA.
> Earliest date time group
> reply gets the address etc. I don't want to just
> throw it out.
>
> Art Charette
> k6xt@arrl.net
> Ex 92 Stealth TT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 6:01 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S Digest V1 #196
>
>
>
> Team3S Digest          Thursday, June 3 1999       
>  Volume 01 : Number 196
>
>
>
>
>
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:48:45 -0700
> From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise
>
> Since the transmission is somewhat new and under
> warranty, give it a few
> thousand miles to wear in and reasses.  This does
> sound like normal gear
> whine.  It will likely lessen over time in the most
> commonly used gears.  At
> some point in the future before the 12mo/12000mi
> warranty expires you can
> choose to get more opinions and go from there.
>
> Barry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > Greetings folks,
> >         I had to get my tranny replaced under
> warranty (yay!
> > that's the second
> >         tranny for me - does the car become a
> lemon after _three_ tranny
> >         replacements?) and I'm not quite satisfied
> with this one as well.
> >
> >         When I'm in gear, and when I take the foot
> off the gas
> > pedal, I hear a
> >         whining noise similar to that of an
> airplane turbine jet
> > engine spool
> >         down (tho not nearly that loud, but the
> same tone;
> > actually I have to
> >         turn off the A/C and the radio to hear it
> distinctly.)
> > When I depress
> >         the clutch pedal or shift to neutral, this
> sounds goes away.  The
> >         sound is prominent in the 1500 to 2000 rpm
> ranges, but I
> > can hear it
> >         from 3000 down to 1000.  The technician at
> the dealer
> > claims that he
> >         talked with the Mitsubishi tech. line and
> was apparently
> > informed that
> >         this noise was normal.  But, it doesn't
> sound normal to
> > me, given the
> >         circumstances of its occurance.
> >
> >         BTW, I also had the clutch/pressure
> plate/throw-out
> > bearing replaced
> >         and now the clutch pedal is not nearly as
> stiff as it
> > used to be, and
> >         I'm able to downshift with little to no
> 'jerkiness.'
> >
> >
> > -sankar
> > '97 VR4
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:10:19 -0700
> From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise
>
> Unfortunately Sankar, 3 strikes in Mitsu's ballgame
> just means your out(of a
> car while being repaired & $2000)not them.  As long
> as you have a warranty,
> use it while you can.  If not happy, keep going back
> & making phone calls to
> Mitsu - let them get the "BIG PICTURE" - cause they
> can't see the forrest
> for the trees.
>
> >> I had to get my tranny replaced under warranty
> (yay!
> >> that's the second tranny for me - does the car
> become a lemon after
> _three_ tranny replacements?) and I'm not quite
> satisfied with this one as
> well.
> >> -sankar
> >> '97 VR4
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:40:24 -0400
> From: "Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
> Subject: Team3S: Re: icq...????
>
> My ICQ Number is 12006697Id anyone ever wants to
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>
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> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Busta <Busta@hfx.andara.com>
> To: stealth@starnet.net <stealth@starnet.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: icq...????
>
>
> >Woo Hoo! :)  another ICQ user, finally live chat!
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> >
> >Andrew
> >
> >aaron decker wrote:
> >
> >> I am new to icq,is there any chat channels on icq
> or anyone
> >> that wanna talk cars while i am bored out of my
> mind at work?
> >>
> >> hehehe, ok  thanks,
> >> my number is 40295115
> >>
> >> Aaron
> >> The bored person stuck in his office with only a
> computer
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:45:24 -0700
> From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
> Subject: Team3S: Re: brakes
>
> Brad Bedell wrote ---
>
>
> > Any reason for wilwood calipers?
> >
> > Neither caliper will "bolt on"  some form of
> adapter bracket will have to
> be
> > made.
> >
> > I would do the Porsche 993 Calipers personally.
> They are far better
>
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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:47:28 -0500
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: wheel bolt spacing

Jim,
The lug spacing is 5 X 4.5". That's not the same as stud circle dia though
because the lug pattern is not measured from center-to-center. I'm not sure
how to convert it.

Here are the others;
Stud hole - 19mm
Center hole - 58mm at the center cap "clipping surface", and 67mm where the
wheel makes contact with the hub.

These dim. were taken from a 17" VR-4 wheel......Hope it helps.

Wayne




At 07:57 PM 6/3/99 , you wrote:
>Anybody know the center hole diameter, the stud circle and the stud hole
>diameter
>for our wheels.
>
> Jim Berry


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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:14:29 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Extended Warranty company!

Hello all,

I just wanted to recommend an excellent extended warranty company
that I have recently been in contact with.  The company's name is : 

AIG-Vehicle Program Service.
Toll free ph. #:  1-877-886-0909
contact:  Shawn (female) at ext. 6370 - Tell her Ahmed sent ya!  She knows
who I am because we've spoken on the phone several times!  She was very
helpful in explaining their benefits.  She is a truly a courteous,
professional, patient and personable individual.  She can help with extended
warranty quotes on our cars as well as other makes. 

The rate on my 1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 was around $1,600 with $250
deductible.  They also had a $100 deductible program but the plan was for
about $2,600.  They provide interest free payment plans (6month or 10 month)
depending on your coverage.  The plan is for 2years/24,000 miles on my car;
some plans can go up to 3 years/36,000 miles.   The vehicle has to be within
9 years of age and less than 80,000 miles. 

I hope this can be of some help to all of you.
Take care & talk to you soon!
Ahmed - '92 VR4
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:30:11 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: Extended Warranty company!

I know most of us on the lists know how to handle warranty companies;
BUT just in case some of us forget:  Most extended coverage warranty
companies cover only FACTORY/stock manufacturer vehicles.  I WOULD NOT
advertise any modifications that you may have on your cars!  I hope we all
understand that.  Good luck!

Ahmed - '92 VR4

In a message dated 6/4/99 9:14:29 AM Central Daylight Time, TurboDrvn writes:

<< Hello all,
 
  I just wanted to recommend an excellent extended warranty company
that I have recently been in contact with.  The company's name is : 
 
 AIG-Vehicle Program Service.
 Toll free ph. #:  1-877-886-0909
 contact:  Shawn (female) at ext. 6370 - Tell her Ahmed sent ya!  She knows
who I am because we've spoken on the phone several times!  She was very
helpful in explaining their benefits.  She is a truly a courteous,
professional, patient and personable individual.  She can help with extended
warranty quotes on our cars as well as other makes. 
 
 The rate on my 1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 was around $1,600 with $250
deductible.  They also had a $100 deductible program but the plan was for
about $2,600.  They provide interest free payment plans (6month or 10 month)
depending on your coverage.  The plan is for 2years/24,000 miles on my car;
some plans can go up to 3 years/36,000 miles.   The vehicle has to be within
9 years of age and less than 80,000 miles. 
 
 I hope this can be of some help to all of you.
 Take care & talk to you soon!
 Ahmed - '92 VR4 >>
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:18:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Ground Control GP Update

Hello all,

   I *finally* got a hold of Ground Control to ask about the group
purchase.  (I think they need more phone lines...)

The orders will be shipping out early next week (yay).
Expect to get your shipments by the end of next week or the beginning of
the following.

Happy happy, joy joy!

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:29:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Team3S: VR-4 calipers on an N/A?  anyone?

Hello all,

   Here is a question which I have been chewing on for a little while.

Not considering the offset issue, is it possible to install VR-4 calipers
on a non-VR4 3/S car?

My understanding is that all 3/S N/A cars have a 2 piston front caliper
set-up, while the VR-4's have a 4 piston caliper setup.

I have looked at the service manual, I don't immediately see any
differences which would prevent this from happening.

What about the brake line?  Is it a different size? 
I can't tell by the pictures in the maunual if it is...

Do you VR-4 owners out there know what the size of the brake lines are?

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:47:53 -0400
From: "W.D. Bankart" <wbankart@whro.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tech manuals on CD for Sale.

Sold.

Please tell me where to send the bucks. 

Thanks, 
WD  '94GT SL

At 07:21 PM 6/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I have a 3S Backup Manual CD that I no longer need. Covers 91-98 3K, 91-95
>Stealth, other 3S cars, body work. Win95, 98, 00, NT, 3.x, Mac, Linux. Sorry
>I forgot the name of the producer, he's around the list. You can buy it new
>for $40.
>
>Ten bux and it's yours, postage paid in the USA. Earliest date time group
>reply gets the address etc. I don't want to just throw it out.
>
>Art Charette
>k6xt@arrl.net
>Ex 92 Stealth TT
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
>[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 6:01 PM
>To: stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
>Subject: Team3S Digest V1 #196
>
>
>
>Team3S Digest          Thursday, June 3 1999          Volume 01 : Number 196
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:48:45 -0700
>From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise
>
>Since the transmission is somewhat new and under warranty, give it a few
>thousand miles to wear in and reasses.  This does sound like normal gear
>whine.  It will likely lessen over time in the most commonly used gears.  At
>some point in the future before the 12mo/12000mi warranty expires you can
>choose to get more opinions and go from there.
>
>Barry
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> Greetings folks,
>>         I had to get my tranny replaced under warranty (yay!
>> that's the second
>>         tranny for me - does the car become a lemon after _three_ tranny
>>         replacements?) and I'm not quite satisfied with this one as well.
>>
>>         When I'm in gear, and when I take the foot off the gas
>> pedal, I hear a
>>         whining noise similar to that of an airplane turbine jet
>> engine spool
>>         down (tho not nearly that loud, but the same tone;
>> actually I have to
>>         turn off the A/C and the radio to hear it distinctly.)
>> When I depress
>>         the clutch pedal or shift to neutral, this sounds goes away.  The
>>         sound is prominent in the 1500 to 2000 rpm ranges, but I
>> can hear it
>>         from 3000 down to 1000.  The technician at the dealer
>> claims that he
>>         talked with the Mitsubishi tech. line and was apparently
>> informed that
>>         this noise was normal.  But, it doesn't sound normal to
>> me, given the
>>         circumstances of its occurance.
>>
>>         BTW, I also had the clutch/pressure plate/throw-out
>> bearing replaced
>>         and now the clutch pedal is not nearly as stiff as it
>> used to be, and
>>         I'm able to downshift with little to no 'jerkiness.'
>>
>>
>> -sankar
>> '97 VR4
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
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>
>Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:10:19 -0700
>From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise
>
>Unfortunately Sankar, 3 strikes in Mitsu's ballgame just means your out(of a
>car while being repaired & $2000)not them.  As long as you have a warranty,
>use it while you can.  If not happy, keep going back & making phone calls to
>Mitsu - let them get the "BIG PICTURE" - cause they can't see the forrest
>for the trees.
>
>>> I had to get my tranny replaced under warranty (yay!
>>> that's the second tranny for me - does the car become a lemon after
>_three_ tranny replacements?) and I'm not quite satisfied with this one as
>well.
>>> -sankar
>>> '97 VR4
>
>
>
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>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:40:24 -0400
>From: "Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
>Subject: Team3S: Re: icq...????
>
>My ICQ Number is 12006697Id anyone ever wants to chat
>
>Edwin 98 3000GT SL
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Busta <Busta@hfx.andara.com>
>To: stealth@starnet.net <stealth@starnet.net>
>Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:40 AM
>Subject: Re: icq...????
>
>
>>Woo Hoo! :)  another ICQ user, finally live chat! :)   For anyone
>>interested... 6955201 is my UIN :)
>>
>>Andrew
>>
>>aaron decker wrote:
>>
>>> I am new to icq,is there any chat channels on icq or anyone
>>> that wanna talk cars while i am bored out of my mind at work?
>>>
>>> hehehe, ok  thanks,
>>> my number is 40295115
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>> The bored person stuck in his office with only a computer
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________________________
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>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:45:24 -0700
>From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
>Subject: Team3S: Re: brakes
>
>Brad Bedell wrote ---
>
>
>> Any reason for wilwood calipers?
>>
>> Neither caliper will "bolt on"  some form of adapter bracket will have to
>be
>> made.
>>
>> I would do the Porsche 993 Calipers personally.  They are far better
>quality
>> than any wilwood caliper on the market (for a street driven car).
>=======================================================================
>
>Just got to looking at aftermarket rotors ---  was impressed some of the
>NASCAR short track stuff.
>Martinsville -- 500 laps -- 1000 brake cycles [ cherry red twice per lap ].
>I started looking at
>what
>kind of stuff the circle track guys use and one of them is Wilwood. I got
>their racebrake catalog
>and started looking through it. High end is $ 3700 per caliper with stuff
>down to $200. One of the
>road race calipers [ $370 ] is a six piston differential bore unit, with a
>6" pad that "looks" like
>it
>should stop a tank. In addition they have fluid recirculation hardware.
>
>I've got 94 chrome 17" wheels with an inside diameter of 15 1/2", which
>allow me to use the GN III
>caliper with a 13" rotor [ outside radius of caliper is 7.19" ].With rotors
>and top hat I've got
>$1500 tied
>up.
>
>For $2600 I get the Brembo big brake set up and I think you've got $1500 a
>setup [ I don't know if
>your
>package includes rotors]. I will look further at the Brembo and Porsche unit
>if I can get some tech
>info,
>and I'd be happy to hear what you've got to say. I'm a relative newby at
>brake systems but I'm
>willing
>to learn.
>
>   Jim berry
>
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>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:50:08 -0400
>From: "Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
>Subject: Team3S: If Anyone missed my ICQ number Before
>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
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>Message me to chat about our cars, I would love the input on my own
>
>Edwin
>'98 Pearl White 3000GT SL
>2 JL 12" W3's
>MTX Thunder 2150 Amp
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>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 01:26:28 -0400
>From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
>Subject: Team3S: Fun time at MIR's Import Internationals (pretty long)...
>
>  I almost decided not to go just because it was supposed to be around 90
>degrees both
>days.  I still hadn't run my car at a 1/4 mile track since the boost
>controller was put
>in, and the idea of watching other people run their cars while I was
>standing in the sun
>wasn't very appealing.  Me and my good friend Billy decided to go anyway,
>what the
>hell.  We opted not to take Billy's mildly modified 95 Talon TSI AWD as he
>didn't want
>to run his car.  It was $20 to get in for both days, and the lady at the
>booth didn't
>have much trouble getting the other $10 to race out of me even though I
>wanted to size
>up the competition a little first.  I really wasn't planning on competing,
>but I didn't
>wanna get laughed off the track either.
>  There ended up only being 9 or 10 cars trying to qualify for the quick 8
>in the Power
>6 class.  Mike Mahaffey was there, but he didn't run.  He did come with Brad
>Daley and
>his 10.83 second Supra to the dismay of the few that knew of Brad.  There
>was 1 other
>Supra, 3 300 ZXs, an RX7, a Maxima, a Probe, and me.  One of the RX7s was
>pretty quick,
>he ran a 12.3 and proceeded to talk trash about how heavy Supras were.  I
>think he shut
>up after Brad ran 11.00 at 127 in the heat, in fact, the RX7 qualified 2nd
>and didn't
>even show for the eliminations the next day.  I was running my Weapon-R air
>filter, the
>Apexi AVC-R boost controller set to 1 atmosphere, Accel wires, NGK platinums
>gapped at
>.035, and all three cats gutted.  I've given up on speed shifting, but I was
>dumping the
>clutch on most runs, I just couldn't slip it good enough.  The clutch wasn't
>holding up
>at all, it slipped on almost every launch.  I ended up edging ahead of a
>Supra that
>qualified with 13.17.  I qualified 3rd at 13.16 with a clutch slipping 1.86
>60' time, I
>actually had to ease up on the gas a tad to get the clutch to bite.
>Needless to say I
>was a little surprised after not coming to compete, also a little
>disappointed in the
>300s.  How can a twin turbo 3 liter be so slow?
>  There were 2 more rounds of qualifications on the second day.  I decided
>to take out
>the passenger seat and had wanted to unbolt the whole exhaust system, it's
>gotta be
>heavy but I settled for unbolting the downpipe and gutted main cat.  I had
>also wanted
>to do something with the driver's seat but I didn't have many options there,
>I didn't
>get a chance to see if maybe my Mother's non power Eclipse seat would fit.
>Before I go
>any further, I gotta tell ya how loud the exhaust is when it comes out at
>the precats.
>I was at my friend's house about an 1/8th of a mile from mine, my wife could
>hear it
>when we started the car at 12:30 am.  When it settled down to an idle it
>wasn't too bad,
>but ANY kind of load at 1000 RPMs or higher was almost unbearable.  It shook
>on startup
>and sounded almost like a cammed v8.  We took it for a spin and my friend
>could hear it
>clear as day when we goosed it over a mile away.  It was hard for me to say
>whether it
>was noticeable quicker or it was just the fact that it sounded like a
>screaming semi on
>steroids, turbo whine and all.
>  We got the track around 10:15 a little better prepared with ice, drinks,
>and a
>canopy.  I even found shade under a tree where I parked my car between runs.
>Without
>even cooling down I ran 3 times back to back.  I managed a slightly better
>13.07.  It
>was still pump gas, but at least I wasn't running over half a tank like the
>previous
>day.  I let it cool a bit and put a couple gallons of 111 unleaded in.  I
>ended up
>staging  next to another Supra that showed up for qualifications, and it was
>a good
>race.  He ran a 12.830, I ran a 12.834, but the clocks showed the same time.
>The Supra
>from the previous day ended up running a 12.80 and I got bumped to 4th as
>the RX7 didn't
>show.  Brad's Supra was running a little rough, but he still managed an
>11.41 on the
>second day.
>  It ended up benefiting me in 4th spot as I ran against the number 8
>qualifier in the
>first round of eliminations.  The clutch had been holding up all day, I was
>coming out
>of the hole at 7k RPMs, rear squatting, front lifting, spinning all four
>tires :)  After
>running a couple 12.8s, the announcers were finally giving the Mitsu it's
>due respect.
>The previous day it'd been Supra this, Supra that, blah blah blah.  I staged
>next to the
>8th qualifying 300 in the first round and came screaming out of the hole to
>a 1.786 60',
>8.25 1/8th, and crossed the line at 12.802 at 107.87.  I didn't know until
>watching my
>friend's recording that the announcer had finally given the car a little
>respect saying
>it was a fast street car, and ran like a bat outta hell :P  I got knocked
>out of the
>second round of eliminations by a 300z that hadn't run below 13.12 all day.
>He had a
>near perfect reaction time of .501 and ran 13.15 to my 12.899, but he
>crossed the line
>.113 seconds ahead of me.  He was the better driver no doubt, but I was
>still a little
>disappointed.  The 300 got real lucky and took first as Brad's Supra broke
>after
>stumbling halfway down the track, last I heard they thought it was a broken
>piston and
>they were going home to get the truck and trailer as it'd been driven to the
>track.
>  Considering the mods and the heat I thought I ran pretty well.  I was
>probably also
>the least modified car out of the bunch.  I'd been hoping for a 12.75 in
>that heat and I
>wasn't too far off.  Maybe I can run near a 12.5 on a cool day.  I was kinda
>disappointed that more 3000s or Stealths didn't show up, my car's nothing
>compared to a
>lot of cars in the area.  But heck, I had a good time and probably wouldn't
>have stayed
>around that long just to watch other cars run.
>
>talk to ya later,
>Jason
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:40:47 EDT
>From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Fun time at MIR's Import Internationals (pretty
>long)...
>
>Now that was a great post, Jason!
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>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 02:45:07 -0400
>From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Fun time at MIR's Import Internationals (small
>followup)...
>
>  This event was at Budd's Creek Maryland, MIR.  I'll try to get more detail
>about the
>other cars' times, hopefully MIR will post the results and pictures on their
>page
>http://www.mirdrag.com .  It's really close to sea level, and it was
>somewhere in the
>neighborhood of 90 degrees.  Hopefully I'll be able to get the footage
>converted to AVI
>and post it somewhere.  There was also someone from Super Street taking
>pictures, who
>knows...
>
>Jason
>http://www.erols.com/danebar
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:10:33 +1000
>From: "Bryan G Langton" <blangtonb@bigpond.com>
>Subject: Team3S: Urgent Brake Booster Question
>
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>I have a 1995 VR4.  I had to stomp on the brakes for the first time =
>since i bought the car. As soon as i did i heard a "Bang" similar to the =
>noise you get when the ABS comes in...But...NO the bang was the brake =
>master cylinder / resovouir parting company from the housing of the =
>boost unit one of the bolts snapped.
>Is anybody aware of this happening to them ??? has there been a Factory =
>recall re the brake booster unit, ??
>
>Any advice / help would be great. also how hard is it to remove the =
>booster unit,
>
>Bryan 95 TTVR4.  Australia=20
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:17:09 -0700
>From: Yoss <yoss@aracnet.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise
>
>Thanks for all the advice folks!  I guess I'll play the wait-and-see game,
>but
>when I visit the service department I'm gonna ask them to give it to me in
>writing that the whining spool-down noise is 'normal.'
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:15:53 -0500
>From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: brakes
>
>Wilwood makes a good caliper.
>
>I personally feel that it wasn't designed for daily use on a street car.
>Lack of stainless hardware, no dust boots on the pistons etc..
>
>However for your caliper, it sounds like a lower profile caliper than the
>Brembo/(porsche) unit than I am using.  The pad swept area seems larger
>also.
>
>My kit includes rotors, however with David Skultety's experience with
>breaking a rotor, I am scared of selling any more as a "kit"  I may just
>offer the brackets and let anyone who wants build the lines and buy the
>parts.
>
>> Brad
>      Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
>> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682
>
>
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
>Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:45 PM
>To: team 3si
>Subject: Team3S: Re: brakes
>
>
>Brad Bedell wrote ---
>
>
>> Any reason for wilwood calipers?
>>
>> Neither caliper will "bolt on"  some form of adapter bracket will have to
>be
>> made.
>>
>> I would do the Porsche 993 Calipers personally.  They are far better
>quality
>> than any wilwood caliper on the market (for a street driven car).
>=======================================================================
>
>Just got to looking at aftermarket rotors ---  was impressed some of the
>NASCAR short track stuff.
>Martinsville -- 500 laps -- 1000 brake cycles [ cherry red twice per lap ].
>I started looking at
>what
>kind of stuff the circle track guys use and one of them is Wilwood. I got
>their racebrake catalog
>and started looking through it. High end is $ 3700 per caliper with stuff
>down to $200. One of the
>road race calipers [ $370 ] is a six piston differential bore unit, with a
>6" pad that "looks" like
>it
>should stop a tank. In addition they have fluid recirculation hardware.
>
>I've got 94 chrome 17" wheels with an inside diameter of 15 1/2", which
>allow me to use the GN III
>caliper with a 13" rotor [ outside radius of caliper is 7.19" ].With rotors
>and top hat I've got
>$1500 tied
>up.
>
>For $2600 I get the Brembo big brake set up and I think you've got $1500 a
>setup [ I don't know if
>your
>package includes rotors]. I will look further at the Brembo and Porsche unit
>if I can get some tech
>info,
>and I'd be happy to hear what you've got to say. I'm a relative newby at
>brake systems but I'm
>willing
>to learn.
>
>   Jim berry
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:45:46 EDT
>From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
>Subject: Team3S: UPDATE on Transmission & dealer experience! (Very Long
>Post)
>
>Hi all,
>
> I apologize about this long post but I thought it would benefit us
>all.  If you recall, I had posted the following message on 5/15/99 re: my
>experience with my 2nd Getrag transmission and Mitsubishi and the fact that
>I
>was "Blackballed/Blacklisted" with Mitsubishi :  I have copied and pasted
>that original post :  Here it is:
>
>>>    It's great to be back on a 3Si mailing list!   Unfortunately, I am the
>one who has recently experienced a Voided/Nulled warranty on my transmission
>(some of you already are aware of my situation - Thank you for your
>support!).   To make a real long story short (Believe it or not),  I was
>DENIED a new transmission by Mitsubishi and got "Black listed" due to my
>GReddy aftermarket part.  I know!  Why didn't I take the aftermarket part
>OUT
>before I turned my car in?  Well, they already saw my car and approved it
>even with my aftermarket GReddy part in it & scheduled an appointment to get
>the job done under warranty!  But, unfortunately the District manager was on
>the premises on the day that I brought the car in for the tranny.  They page
>me within 45 minutes and stated, "Your car has been altered by an
>after-market part; that voids and Nulls any warranty you have on your VR4.
>I
>did not know that about your car when you came to us last week";  Yeah
>right!?  They physically SAW the car!  This Service manager stated to me
>that
>he even documented my vin# in Mitsubishi's system that my car was "altered &
>modified".  Meaning that no other Mitsubishi dealership would honor any
>warranty transmission.  In other words, he "black balled"  (service
>manager's
>own words) me!
> I am currently working on several options & ideas to pursue the
>matter;  I have all documentations needed to make a good case!  The thing is
>that I had tranny problems before the mods were put on (thank God, I have
>documentations from the Mitsu. dealership that I tried to confirm the
>problems but they denied any "faults" in the tranny).  I'll try to keep you
>all posted.   If my plans work out, it will be advantageous for all of us on
>this list!  But in the meantime, I have to look into alternative plans &
>ideas. <<
>
> Well, I have a mixture of emotions going on!  Here I am on June 3,
>1999 with perfectly healthy transmission - So, I'm frickin' ecstatic!
>MITSUBISHI Misdiagnosed my VR4 transmission problem twice & "black listed"
>me- So I'm pretty P--- off at them!   IT was NEVER the transmission!  I have
>been stressed out and researching for several weeks for other options of
>getting my tranny running healthy again; Some of you have been very
>supportive; Thank you!  And now I am aware of 2 different companies that
>have
>REBUILT Getrag transmissions available!  One company actually provides a
>LIFETIME warranty!  Wow!  MY problem was NEVER the transmission!  Even
>though
>two Mitsubishi dealers were so confident in telling me, "IT is definitely
>your transmission!"  Well these guys were just plain old LAZY.  They never
>bothered to look into my shifter linkage control area;  so, I thought I
>better look into it (since I was having a difficult time thinking about the
>$5,000 for a new transmission!).
> I had met GKS Racing at an IMPORT car show at Navy Pier (Chicago)
>this past Sunday and explained my transmission situation out.  Let me tell
>you all, I have a NEW place to go to now for all my Racing needs!   I
>explained to them that the dealer never looked into the shifter linkage
>control area and that would be the wisest place to start!  And sure enough!
>We saw the problem right away!  The roll pin that is part of the whole
>shifter linkage control area (right under the blow-off valve area on the
>transmission/transfer case area) was sticking so far out that it was
>actually
>hitting the rest of the linkage control components!  That caused my shifter
>to PREVENT me from getting into 2nd and sometimes 4th. gears.  So we
>re-aligned a few parts of the linkage control area and secured the roll pin
>in it's place.  LET ME TELL YOU ALL!!  IT shifts like it's going through
>BUTTER!  I LOVE IT!!!!  Summer Drag Wars, here I come!
> So please, my fellow 3Si members/owners & friends; LOOK into the
>shifter linkage control area FIRST before you do anything with your
>transmissions!  I just couldn't believe that my new transmission (from last
>July of 1998) was acting up so soon!  It pays to do some research and get
>some second opinions (in my case more than 2 opinions, I had 2 Mitsubishi
>dealers conclude that it was the transmission! Could you believe that?); so
>I
>pursued the matter on my own.  I remember most of us list members complained
>about a notchy shifter feel and possible lock out!  Well, check that linkage
>control and save yourself about $5,000 (if you're out of warranty!) or get a
>new transmission (if under warranty) ;P   Because Mitsubishi sure does NOT
>know how to diagnose these problems and will assume that you need a new
>transmission!  Well, Good luck all; I hope I was of some help re: this
>Historic Getrag transmission problem with our fabulous cars (I'm not saying
>that all of our problems with our tranny's are resolved with the linkage
>control adjustments, but it's worth the check - I guess I was fortunate
>enough & hope that some of us other 3Si members will benefit from this
>experience I had)
> Call GKS Racing in Gurnee, IL (847)360-1818 for your racing or
>mechanical needs and tell them Ahmed sent ya!  Tell them that you're part of
>the same mailing list team.  They were professional, experienced, polite,
>patient & quite personable; I met Gary (the president), Steve & Elvin;
>they're all reliable and damn experienced with Import and Domestic cars!
>I'd
>like to acknowledge Steve ; he is truly the one who helped me out!  We must
>have spent about an hour talking at the Navy Pier show & 2 1/2 hours at
>their
>shop re-adjusting the linkage control area.  And he saved me from getting an
>unnecessary new transmission!
> GKS Racing specializes in engine work, electrical, racing
>modifications, Chassis Dyno service, Nitrous Systems, Turbo/Super charging
>Non-turbo vehicles & chassis engineering.  Located in Gurnee, IL
>(847)360-1818
>
>Sorry about the long post!
>Later,
>Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4 - Summer Drag Wars!  I am Back!  I FEEL THE NEED
>FOR SSSSSS (the sound of my turbo flyin' past ya!)SSSSSSSSPEED !!
>SSSSSSSSee
>Ya at the Track!
>GReddy Profec B, GReddy turbo timer, Apex'i Blow-off valve, SPI motorsport
>Boost gauge & pillar pod, K&N filtercharger, Alamo DP, Borla exhaust, Eibach
>springs (not yet installed), KVR Cross drilled rotors
>coming soon:   New NGK plugs re-gapped at .033 and magnecor wires?
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:20:12 -0400
>From: Roger Crawford <rcrawford@dbp-inc.com>
>Subject: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!
>
>Call me crazy..
>On Monday May 31, I traded my 94 Mitsubishi VR-4 in on, of all things, a new
>99 Dodge Neon R/T. Almost immediately I had regrets,and within 24 hours I
>requested that the dealer *Please* allow me to return the car, and get my
>trade back. The Dealers response? No way. Pay me $8500 and that's the only
>option. I would have been more than willing to pay for the few miles I put
>on the car, and called it a "mistake"
>
>Turns out there's no recourse to a sale in the state of VA.
>
>In the hopes of using public sentiment to sway the dealer, I'm asking that
>everyone please write a quick note to the dealer at : mcddodge@cfw.com ,
>asking them to be "fair" and reconsider. I figure that this would be
>helpful, if only to sway them in the favor of public sentiment.
>
>This is not a hoax, I'm asking that you please take a minute of your time to
>help me recover my baby!!
>
>Thank you!!
>
>Regards,
>Roger Crawford
>
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:22:46 -0400
>From: "J. Stephen Gula" <loco3kgt@widomaker.com>
>Subject: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>Hey guys,
>    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o an
>oil change, and just below 5000 miles) and I was wondering what
>particular oil filter you guys use. Also, I'm getting in some MT90 and
>plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill me
>in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain bolt(s)
>are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found mine
>yet...  thanks
>
>- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:34:05 -0600
>From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
>Subject: Team3S: spark plugs
>
>Need help, I was getting the NGK bcpr7es-11's from pep boys well I had
>ordered a set of 12 for this summer and they just called saying my order is
>cancelled because the maker no longer makes these :(
>Who knows of anyone else who sells these and if this statement is indeed
>true??? They have already refunded my $34. Thanx
>
>92 3000 GTO MMC
>500 H.P. of Fun
>Plates (HIPRESR)
>(303) 689-4733
>
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: J. Stephen Gula [mailto:loco3kgt@widomaker.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:23 PM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>
>Hey guys,
>    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o an
>oil change, and just below 5000 miles) and I was wondering what
>particular oil filter you guys use. Also, I'm getting in some MT90 and
>plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill me
>in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain bolt(s)
>are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found mine
>yet...  thanks
>
>- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
>
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>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:35:40 -0500
>From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!
>
>At 02:20 PM 6/3/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>Call me crazy..
>>On Monday May 31, I traded my 94 Mitsubishi VR-4 in on, of all things, a
>new
>>99 Dodge Neon R/T. Almost immediately I had regrets,and within 24 hours I
>>requested that the dealer *Please* allow me to return the car, and get my
>>trade back. The Dealers response? No way.
>
>Go see a lawyer. Immediately. In Iowa, we have 3 days to change our minds.
>
>Rich/old poop/married to one
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:24:35 -0600
>From: David J Moravek <david.moravek@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!
>
>You should ALWAYS have a few days to take the car back... They are
>filling you will a buncg of CRAP - GO GET IT BACK NOW.
>
>
>
>On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:20:12 -0400 Roger Crawford <rcrawford@dbp-inc.com>
>writes:
>> Call me crazy..
>> On Monday May 31, I traded my 94 Mitsubishi VR-4 in on, of all
>> things, a new
>> 99 Dodge Neon R/T. Almost immediately I had regrets,and within 24
>> hours I
>> requested that the dealer *Please* allow me to return the car, and
>> get my
>> trade back. The Dealers response? No way. Pay me $8500 and that's
>> the only
>> option. I would have been more than willing to pay for the few miles
>> I put
>> on the car, and called it a "mistake"
>>
>> Turns out there's no recourse to a sale in the state of VA.
>>
>> In the hopes of using public sentiment to sway the dealer, I'm
>> asking that
>> everyone please write a quick note to the dealer at :
>> mcddodge@cfw.com ,
>> asking them to be "fair" and reconsider. I figure that this would be
>> helpful, if only to sway them in the favor of public sentiment.
>>
>> This is not a hoax, I'm asking that you please take a minute of your
>> time to
>> help me recover my baby!!
>>
>> Thank you!!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Roger Crawford
>>
>>
>>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:19:53 -0500
>From: S J Cowan <sjc0u812@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>Steve:
>
>>Hey guys,
>>    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o
>>an
>>oil change, and just below 5000 miles)
>
>5,000 miles?  Steve, tell me it's a NA Base or SL model.
>
>>and I was wondering what
>>particular oil filter you guys use.
>
>Mobil 1 all the way.
>
>>Also, I'm getting in some MT90
>>and
>>plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill
>>me
>>in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain
>>bolt(s)
>>are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found
>>mine
>>yet...  thanks
>
>Not in the owners manual, but in the service manual.  Find someone with
>the CD or something.  Also, how many miles on your ride?  MT-90 over MTL?
> I've had real good luck with another synthetic called GM Synchromesh.  I
>did not like the MTL.
>
>BTW, did you order one of the windshield banners from Gregg?  The GTO
>one?  Got any pix if so?
>
>Thanks,
>
>SJ
>
>>--Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
>>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:08:44 -0400
>From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>Most people on the list swear by the OEM Mitsubishi oil filter.
>
>If you're getting Mobil1 oil, look for a place that's offering a
>"do-it-yourself" change special: an Autozone up here in Mass was offering 5
>quarts of Mobil1 (any grade) and a Mobil1 filter for $21.50 (I bought 2 sets
>with 15w50 oil). Otherwise the Mobil1 filter is $10 by itself.
>
>Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem to
>work really well.
>
>Other brands have caused problems with oil flow.
>
>
>I don't know for sure where the transmission drain and fill plug are on a
>nonturbo. I believe the drain plug is in the same place: on the bottom of
>the transmission, on the side. The fill plug should be on top of the tranny,
>under/in front of the airbox somewhere... that area that's blocked by
>intercooler piping in a turbo. :-)
>
>   -Ed
>
>
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: J. Stephen Gula [mailto:loco3kgt@widomaker.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 2:23 PM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>
>Hey guys,
>    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o an
>oil change, and just below 5000 miles) and I was wondering what
>particular oil filter you guys use. Also, I'm getting in some MT90 and
>plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill me
>in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain bolt(s)
>are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found mine
>yet...  thanks
>
>- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:11:03 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
>Subject: Team3S: Danvers Gathering this weekend!
>
>Hello all,
>
>  Thought I would send out an email reminder that the Danvers Gathering is
>THIS weekend!
>
>   Check out this URL:  http://www.gis.net/~3kgt/
>
>Hope I reminded some people, and informed some others.
>
>Have fun!
>
>Regards,
>   Dennis
>
>
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>
>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:11:53 -0700
>From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>Go with the Mobil 1, K&N makes a good one, and was also looking at the Bosch
>Premium (at Auto Zone) - it looks and seems to be almost like the Mobil 1
>(at 1/2 the price).  Wouldn't go with Fram or one of the cheapos - cause you
>will pay later.
>- --
>
>On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:22:46   J. Stephen Gula wrote:
>>Hey guys,
>>    It's time for an oil change in my 3000GT (I'm hitting 6 mos w/o an
>>oil change, and just below 5000 miles) and I was wondering what
>>particular oil filter you guys use. Also, I'm getting in some MT90 and
>>plan on putting that in after I do my oil change. Could anyone fill me
>>in on where the fill is for the transmission and where the drain bolt(s)
>>are? I assume it's in the owner's manual.. however I haven't found mine
>>yet...  thanks
>>
>>--Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
>>
>>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:18:15 -0700
>From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>i
>>
>> Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem
>to
>> work really well.
>>
>> Other brands have caused problems with oil flow.
>>
>========================================================================
>http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
>
>the site shown above tests oil filters and he didn't have anything good to
>say about Fram.
>Keep in mind when reading that this is one mans opinion.
>
>Jim Berry  >>>          93 stealth TT ---- "arrest me red"
>                       K&N FPIK -- Magnicore/.034" --- Blitz SSBC
>                           [soon] --- GAB struts --- Stillen SS lines
>                                 GC/Eibach  550# F/330# R
>                    Gtech --- 0-60 = 4.75 -- 1/4 = 13.3 @ 110 mph
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:25:58 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>>
>> Most people on the list swear by the OEM Mitsubishi oil filter.
>>
>> If you're getting Mobil1 oil, look for a place that's offering a
>> "do-it-yourself" change special: an Autozone up here in Mass was offering
>5
>> quarts of Mobil1 (any grade) and a Mobil1 filter for $21.50 (I bought 2
>sets
>> with 15w50 oil). Otherwise the Mobil1 filter is $10 by itself.
>>
>> Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem
>to
>> work really well.
>>
>> Other brands have caused problems with oil flow.
>
>Though I only drive a SOHC, I have had experience with the following
>filters: (in order of preference)
>
> Mobil 1
> Mitsubishi OEM
> K&N
> Fram
> Pep Boys generic brand
>
>
>The Mobil 1 is the best oil filter I have used.  I have noticed that it
>has actually assisted in minimizing the lifter tick noise.  Now, it only
>creeps up a little in the morning (for about 1 second), and only for a few
>seconds in the cold winter mornings.  (I'm happy)
>The problem is that it is small, very small.  Easy to grip, but hard to
>get off.  Most oil filter wrenches are too big to grip it.
>
>
>The OEM filter works well also.  I think that it also helped in reducing
>the lifter tick, but not a lot, and not nearly as much as the Mobil, in my
>opinion.  It does the job, but is a little on the pricey side, since it is
>OEM.
>
>
>When I first tried the K&N, I had a slight leak on my car.  For some
>reason, "hand-tight + a little" was not tight enough.  Usually, with many
>oil filters, tightening the filter with that much pressure should be
>sufficient.  However, I had to tighten the K&N up a bit more (don't know
>why).
>It seemed to work alright.  The 1" nut is a great idea, but the filter was
>located  in such a position that it made it as difficult to get a socket
>wrench in there as an oil filter wrench.  So, for me at least, I gained
>nothing with the 1" nut.
>
>The Fram worked decently, nothing great.  Since I noticed no difference in
>lifter noise between the K&N and the Fram, given the choice between the 2,
>I would pick the Fram due to its price.
>
>
>That's all I have to offer. I hope this helps out.
>
>Regards,
>   Dennis
>
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>> >
>> > Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem
>to
>> > work really well.
>> >
>> http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
>>
>> the site shown above tests oil filters and he didn't have anything good
>> to say about Fram.  Keep in mind when reading that this is one mans
>> opinion.
>
>This is quite an interesting site!  He has some good points to make, and
>has some interesting insights into the oil filter manufacturers.
>Apparently he likes the Mobil 1 filter the best (as do I).
>
>Now, who is going to cut open one of our Mitsu OEM filters to find out who
>makes it? :)
>
>Regards,
>   Dennis
>
>
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>
>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:49:18 -0400
>From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>After reading said article, can I retract my reccomendation for Fram
>filters?
>
>I've been using the Tough Driver filters, which seemed to work well, but
>apparently have a risk of disitigrating and allowing glue to flow into your
>engine...
>
>Time to go buy some more Mobil1 change specials.
>
>   -Ed
>
>
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 4:18 PM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine and Transaxle oil change
>
>
>
>i
>>
>> Personally, I swear by the Fram oil filters - inexpensive, and they seem
>to
>> work really well.
>>
>> Other brands have caused problems with oil flow.
>>
>========================================================================
>http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
>
>the site shown above tests oil filters and he didn't have anything good to
>say about Fram.
>Keep in mind when reading that this is one mans opinion.
>
>Jim Berry  >>>          93 stealth TT ---- "arrest me red"
>                       K&N FPIK -- Magnicore/.034" --- Blitz SSBC
>                           [soon] --- GAB struts --- Stillen SS lines
>                                 GC/Eibach  550# F/330# R
>                    Gtech --- 0-60 = 4.75 -- 1/4 = 13.3 @ 110 mph
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:07:44 -0400
>From: Roger Crawford <rcrawford@dbp-inc.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!
>
>NOT in the state of VA. I checked with our corporate laywer, who does
>nothing but contract law..
>
>Unless public sentiment will sway them, it's a goner.. God, I feel sooooo
>stupid!
>
>Thanks again,
>Roger
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: David J Moravek [mailto:david.moravek@juno.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 3:25 PM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: Re: Team3S: I was really stupid! Please help!
>
>
>You should ALWAYS have a few days to take the car back... They are
>filling you will a buncg of CRAP - GO GET IT BACK NOW.
>
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:57:51 -0700
>From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
>Subject: Team3S: wheel bolt spacing
>
>Anybody know the center hole diameter, the stud circle and the stud hole
>diameter
>for our wheels.
>
> Jim Berry
>
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