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Team3S Digest         Wednesday, June 2 1999         Volume 01 : Number 195




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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:59:35 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rim offset specification needed

On my year 1991 the Calipers & rotors will clear the 16" wheels. On the later
years the larger rotors will not clear. Thanks. Still need the offsets tho?
Arty

In a message dated 6/1/99 2:57:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
josesini@engin.umich.edu writes:

<< Subj: Re: Team3S: Rim offset specification needed
 Date: 6/1/99 2:57:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From: josesini@engin.umich.edu (josesini)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 Your front brakes won't fit in a 16" wheel.
 
 Aso8@aol.com wrote:
 >
 > What size offset would be needed if I change my rim size as follows:
 >
 > 91 VR-4 Stock size was 17 by 8.5 JJ. Stock offset was 46mm
 >              I'm changing to 16 by 9 if available or
 >                                     16 by 8.5 what offset will work? Please
 > be specific
 >
 > The reason I'm looking to go to a smaller wheel is due to the available
 > sizes of slicks & weight savings.
 > Thanks Arty 91 VR-4
 >  >>
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:51:14 -0400
From: josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rim offset specification needed

In that case, I would go with 38mm w/ 16x9 or 16x9.5 wheel so you can
put on a 275/45R16 tire (If they make it!)

By the way, if money was no option, you can have Kinesis make you a 3
piece wheel to your specifications.  Apparently all their 3 piece wheels
are custom made.

Good luck,

Jose


Aso8@aol.com wrote:
>
> On my year 1991 the Calipers & rotors will clear the 16" wheels. On the later
> years the larger rotors will not clear. Thanks. Still need the offsets tho?
> Arty
>
> In a message dated 6/1/99 2:57:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> josesini@engin.umich.edu writes:
>
> << Subj:         Re: Team3S: Rim offset specification needed
>  Date:  6/1/99 2:57:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>  From:  josesini@engin.umich.edu (josesini)
>  Sender:        owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>  Reply-to:      stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>  To:    stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
>  Your front brakes won't fit in a 16" wheel.
>
Aso8@aol.com wrote:
>  >
>  > What size offset would be needed if I change my rim size as follows:
>  >
>  > 91 VR-4 Stock size was 17 by 8.5 JJ. Stock offset was 46mm
>  >              I'm changing to 16 by 9 if available or
>  >                                     16 by 8.5 what offset will work? Please
>  > be specific
>  >
>  > The reason I'm looking to go to a smaller wheel is due to the available
>  > sizes of slicks & weight savings.
>  > Thanks Arty 91 VR-4
>  >  >>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:27:00 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: DBAsport rotors????

> Has anyone looked at the new DBAsport rotors for our cars?  They are both
> drilled and slotted.  They seem pretty nice.  Just curious if anyone knows
> anything about them.  I am trying to get some prices of them.
=========================================================================

I have a catalog on order,I talked to the distributor briefly and got the impression that they
were your run of the mill aftermarket rotors. BTY they do sell some kind of fluid recirculation
system to go with their brakes, he said there was info in the catalog.

I also got a Wilwood racecar brake catalog ---- racing brakes and rotors --- yikes, high end
stuff is $3700 per caliper although they do have stock car/road race calipers for $370. In addition
they have the curved vane rotors for $70 and mounting hats for $90 [ low end ]. I'm not sure
if they make anything that fits our cars, but I'll check. They have fluid recirculation also.

   Jim berry

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:27:17 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: VR4/stealth short block

I have access to a new, still in mitsu box, VR4/stealth short block -- 4 bolt.
If anybody's interested email me at fastmax@home.com.

   Jim Berry

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:23:16 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: headers

I recently talked to a shop that claims to have fabricated headers for the 3000/Stealth
TT in a failed effort to provide aftermarket products for the turbo car. Any idea what
this aborted effort was?? I'm going to talk to him in the next week or so to see what he
has to offer. It's in the So. Cal area. Any guesses or input appreciated.

    Jim Berry

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:33:50 EDT
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: My new web site (still in constrsuction)

try renaming default.htm to default.html if that doesn't work try index.html
and index.htm

X
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:54:53 -0400
From: Don Kessler <dgkessler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Team3S: Parts Microfiche

Thanks to all for your positive comments on the parts microfiche.  As it
turns out, the person that won the bid intends to share his good
fortunate.  Why not show your support and contact him.  His name is
Lorne and his e-mail address is vr4@cwia.com

Thanks,

Don

1993 R/T TT
3si #152
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:29:02 -0600
From: David J Moravek <david.moravek@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Check Engine Light Codes

Yes,

Check out this page to see the details http://www.myzero.com look at the
electronic section to see the info you need.  If you have more questions
I'll help.


David
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:25:38 -0600
From: David J Moravek <david.moravek@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Check Engine Light Codes

Yes

If you have a analog votage meter it is very simple.  There is a web page
that details the "how to" on the page.  It is located in the electronic
section of his page.  After reading that page and if you still have
questions. E-mail me again, and I'll help you out.


Did you do ANYTING to the car or did the Check light just come on?


David

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:56:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dennis G. Bretton " <dbretton@cs.uml.edu>
Subject: Team3S: VR-4 calipers on an N/A

Hello all,

   Here is a question which I have been chewing on for a little while.

Not considering the offset issue, is it possible to install VR-4 calipers
on a non-VR4 3/S car?

My understanding is that all 3/S N/A cars have a 2 piston front caliper
set-up, while the VR-4's have a 4 piston caliper setup.

I have looked at the service manual, I don't immediately see any
differences which would prevent this from happening.

What about the brake line?  Is it a different size? 
I can't tell by the pictures in the maunual if it is...

Do you VR-4 owners out there know what the size of the brake lines are?

Regards,
   Dennis


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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:29:45 -0700
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeff.schwartz@citicorp.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Check Engine Light Codes - (Long Post)

Hope this may help someone in the future.  I got fooled at first.

Thanks a lot anyway, but I found the info in the manual under the
MFI section.  It was a strange problem that fooled me at first. 
 After drving for 1/2 hour, I had stopped and shut off the car. 
I went to start it after 15 minutes and it was idling rough like
it was on 5 cylinders, and the "check engine" light was on.  Drove
it a little and it cleared up and the light went out.  It happened
again at the house, so I started to check the wires with a timing
light to find that one wire wasn't firing.  I assumed that since I
put in Magnecors and new plugs last week, something fell off, or the
wire just went bad, or maybe the plug went bad. (not likely) Well,
my luck, it was one of the rear plugs.  Had to rip it all apart
again to find there was nothing wrong with the plug or wire.  This
is after I took the old plug and wire, and watched the plug fire
outside of the engine, so I knew it was either the wire or plug. 
So I put the old plug and wire back in for hell of it.  Started it
and found the same problem.  That's when I checked the code from
the "check engine" light. I refused to believe it was an injector
like the code was telling me since I knew the plug wasn't firing.
I grounded pin#1 of the OBD connector and read the code right from the
check engine light.  Ripped the plenum out AGAIN, and found that a wire
had popped out of one of the injectors. I repaired the the connector,
and that was it!  I guess I should have trusted the OBD/check engine
light!
I had assumed that since there was no spark, the ECU was shutting off
the injector to that cylinder.  The whole funny thing is now that all
is working, I still can't get the timing light to be triggered off that
one wire, and it's not even the same cylinder that had the bad injector
connector.  I guess the timing light dosn't trigger well with the
Magnecors, but it's strange how it's just that one wire.  If I take
the wire and plug out, the timing light fires fine, it's only when the
plug is in the engine!  Who knows!!  I'm just happy to find the problem.
Thanks for all your help. 
- --
Jeff Schwartz
1995 Panama Green Pearl VR4
Borla, K&N FIPK, Magnecors

David J Moravek wrote:
>
> Yes
>
> If you have a analog votage meter it is very simple.  There is a web page
> that details the "how to" on the page.  It is located in the electronic
> section of his page.  After reading that page and if you still have
> questions. E-mail me again, and I'll help you out.
>
> Did you do ANYTING to the car or did the Check light just come on?
>
> David
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:48:34 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Changing to Solid Lifters?

Any information on changing to solid lifters? 91 VR-4.

My engine builder has suggested doing this. Has anyone done it or tried to do
it?
Any suggestions pro or con appreciated.
Thanks Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:00:29 -0500
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Changing to Solid Lifters?

Arty,
There are several advantages to using solid (mechanical) lifters. You can
switch to dual valve springs, get more radical with cam profiles, run
higher RPM's, and have a more "bullet proof" upper end, to name a few.

Out of all the Starion engines i built for racing purposes, only one left
my possesion with hydraulic lifters, only because the guy did not want to
have to adjust his valve lash every month or so. The problem with
converting a 3/S to mechanical lifters is availability. Unlike the starion
engine which had an older, mechanical lifter version which made it easy to
convert, the 3.0L V6 has always had hydraulic lifters. This means you will
have to pay (dearly, i'm sure) somebody to make you a set, instead of using
some from a older engine platform.   

Aside from the $$$ issue, mechanical lifters require frequent adjustment.
You already know how much of a pain it is to change spark plugs, imagine
having to go one step further and remove the valve covers to adjust the
lifters about every 1000 miles......I hope this helped some...

Wayne


At 10:48 AM 6/2/99 , you wrote:
>Any information on changing to solid lifters? 91 VR-4.
>
>My engine builder has suggested doing this. Has anyone done it or tried to do
>it?
>Any suggestions pro or con appreciated.
>Thanks Arty 91 VR-4


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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:59:53 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Changing to Solid Lifters?

You may ask Brian at GT-Pro about them. We spoke about them almost a year ago
and I think he does have some information for ya. His email address is still "GT
PRO" thegtalley@email.msn.com

Regards,
Roger

Aso8@aol.com wrote:
>
> Any information on changing to solid lifters? 91 VR-4.
>
> My engine builder has suggested doing this. Has anyone done it or tried to do
> it?
> Any suggestions pro or con appreciated.
> Thanks Arty 91 VR-4
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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (just Rosso)
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:05:26 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Aftermarket rotors

Do Brembo or other aftermarket calipers bolt directly to the stock hub
or do they usually have an adapter bracket.

Also does anyone know the mount center spacing [ the distance between
the mounting holes ] and the mount radius  [ the distance of a mounting hole
from the center of the spindle ] on the 93 stock caliper.

         Jim Berry

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:39:30 -0700
From: Yoss <yoss@aracnet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise

Greetings folks,
        I had to get my tranny replaced under warranty (yay! that's the second
        tranny for me - does the car become a lemon after _three_ tranny
        replacements?) and I'm not quite satisfied with this one as well.

        When I'm in gear, and when I take the foot off the gas pedal, I hear a
        whining noise similar to that of an airplane turbine jet engine spool
        down (tho not nearly that loud, but the same tone; actually I have to
        turn off the A/C and the radio to hear it distinctly.)  When I depress
        the clutch pedal or shift to neutral, this sounds goes away.  The
        sound is prominent in the 1500 to 2000 rpm ranges, but I can hear it
        from 3000 down to 1000.  The technician at the dealer claims that he
        talked with the Mitsubishi tech. line and was apparently informed that
        this noise was normal.  But, it doesn't sound normal to me, given the
        circumstances of its occurance.

        BTW, I also had the clutch/pressure plate/throw-out bearing replaced
        and now the clutch pedal is not nearly as stiff as it used to be, and
        I'm able to downshift with little to no 'jerkiness.'


- -sankar
'97 VR4
Mods: K&N FIPK, RS*R downsprings, SS brake lines, Porterfield Rotors and R4S
brake pads in front, SpeedBleeder, weatherstrip airflow mod, Michelin Pilot
XGT Z4 tires.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:07:15 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise

Yoss,

This sounds like normal gear noise.  Ever watched a Can-Am race on TV;
those Butstangs and others sound like remote control cars they have so
much gear noise. You can also hear quite a bit on Formula-1 cars as
well.

If that is what it sounds like it could be OK.

Regards,
Lynn

Yoss wrote:
>
>         When I'm in gear, and when I take the foot off the gas pedal, I hear a
>         whining noise similar to that of an airplane turbine jet engine spool
>         down (tho not nearly that loud, but the same tone; actually I have to
>         turn off the A/C and the radio to hear it distinctly.)  When I depress
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:44:30 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Strange Spool-down noise

So you think they put in straight cut gears instead of helical cut?

That sure would make shifting easier...
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