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Team3S Digest           Sunday, May 30 1999           Volume 01 : Number 192




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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:05:07 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: My latest acquisition

With 167mph, this is definitely a proof that the car is in good shape :)

> They put the car on the computer and told me that the engine had
> been worked on and they thought it was probably an engine from Japan,
> rather than a stock mill from the U.S.

All engines are from Japan and there is no way that a computer can tell that the
engine has been worked on. It is possible that the ECU has been altered and the
checksum is different as well as the readouts are different fro mthe sensors but
that's it.

> done to the engine?". With a wry smile on his lips, I was informed that the
> engine is one of 14 that were specially built by Mitsu Racing for test
> purposes in 1994. He had been in Japan in 1995 and had picked up the engine
> (wouldn't say how) and installed it in the VR-4.

Nice story :)) If he isn't sure about the details, how did he installed the
engine ? Also it's easy to tell the engine is 460hp rated ... where is the
engine dyno sheet ? If the car has a Jack Knife tranny I wonder why it isn't a
six speed. For the timing belt, I don't know what a metal-linked belt should
help and what it is for (on our cars).

> So my question is this - do any of you know anything about this engine? I'm
> already familiar with Mr. Knife's transmissions and drive train mods, but
> the engine has me stumped.

Well, I'd go and search for the bleeder valve mod. Also hook up a good
aftermarket gauge and check the real boost the car is running on. I made 174mph
with 15 psi of boost and power is around 400 SAE hp for the engine... measured
on the dyno. You'll get 460 SAE hp with about 17.5 psi of boost but only if the
fuel system has been adapted. Therefore, I'd pull an injector and check its
size. If its a 550 or bigger then it is a modified system. If it's a stock 360cc
inj. then it was a nice fary tale ;-)

BTW, Mitsu Racing is not existing, it is called "Rally Art". They modified a few
3000GT for Rally purposes and gave them larger intercoolers, bigger turbos and a
different fuel system. Also the exhaust has been replaced by a lighter one.

Regards
Roger

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 03:34:22 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need Best priced Magnecor wires

Got mine from buscher racing for 125$ plus 25$ to have them the next morning
at 10:00.
total was $150.

Magnecore quoted  me 145$ direct with normal 1 week shipping.   I'll send you
buscher's number.    Forgive my spelling errors...it's 4:00 a.m.
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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:44:38 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: My latest acquisition

In a message dated 99-05-28 23:57:12 EDT, you write:

<< I'm
 already familiar with Mr. Knife's transmissions and drive train mods, but
 the engine has me stumped. >>

What is this about a Jack Knife transmission? I've never heard of such a
thing. Is this a rebuild shop? Do the trannys last longer/better parts?

I'd like to know 'cause 3rd gear is getting a little bit notchy on my "new"
getrag that is less than two years old.

Paul Klusman
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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:34:19 +0200
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: My latest acquisition

"R.G." wrote:
>
> Well, I'd go and search for the bleeder valve mod. Also hook up a good
> aftermarket gauge and check the real boost the car is running on. I made 174mph
> with 15 psi of boost and power is around 400 SAE hp for the engine... measured
> on the dyno. You'll get 460 SAE hp with about 17.5 psi of boost but only if the
> fuel system has been adapted. Therefore, I'd pull an injector and check its
> size. If its a 550 or bigger then it is a modified system. If it's a stock 360cc
> inj. then it was a nice fary tale ;-)

Well, not necessarily a fairy tale... Just to clarify Roger's post, it
is probably possible to make 460 SAE hp without fuel mods, but this
would surely result in detonation and serious engine damage.  It is good
advice to have things checked out in case it is a dangerous
configuration.

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:20:03 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: My latest acquisition

A couple of things caught my attention in this recent post:

1) What's a jack knife transmission?
2) This particular timing belt is something I 've not heard of before. Could instalation
extend 60k changes significantly-- if we could import them --if they are available, or
if they even exist?

Who's in the know?

Darc

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:00:07 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Can I put 2nd gen. rotors and calipers on 1st gen. car?

The rotors on my '91 vr4 are badly warped from just daily driving. I've heard
the 2nd gen cars have much improved brakes, but I recall someone saying that
the components will not fit inside the stock 17" wheel on my car. Anybody
know if this is true or not?

If I need to get new wheels, what years do I look for - seems to me the brake
upgrade happened for '93. Is this right?

Besides the wheel clearance issue, would the components simply bolt into
place or would I have to do some mods to get them to fit?

Thanks,

Paul Klusman
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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:12:18 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: My latest acquisition

> Well, not necessarily a fairy tale...

  I think what Roger was trying to say is that things just don't make sense here.  I got
that impression off the bat also.  This person bought and installed a 1 of 14 engine?
He doesn't know the details?  The person buying the car didn't pay an inflated price and
this info wasn't disclosed ahead of time?  I wonder what an engine straight from 'Mitsu
Racing' would cost...  These and the things Roger pointed out make it sound like a fairy
tale.

Jason

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:55:08 -0500
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Can I put 2nd gen. rotors and calipers on 1st gen. car?

At 02:00 PM 5/29/99 , you wrote:
>I recall someone saying that
>the components will not fit inside the stock 17" wheel on my car. Anybody
>know if this is true or not?


Yes, it's true.....


>
>If I need to get new wheels, what years do I look for - seems to me the brake
>upgrade happened for '93. Is this right?

I think it's more like 95....


>
>Besides the wheel clearance issue, would the components simply bolt into
>place or would I have to do some mods to get them to fit?

Yes, everything will bolt in place fine....


>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul Klusman


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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:16:12 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Can I put 2nd gen. rotors and calipers on 1st gen. car?

1994 was the year the bigger brakes showed up.  Noticeable difference in
braking performance over previous years, no question.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----

<snippage>

> >If I need to get new wheels, what years do I look for - seems to
> me the brake
> >upgrade happened for '93. Is this right?
>
> I think it's more like 95....

<snippage>

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:47:56 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: My latest acquisition

In a message dated 5/28/99 10:57:12 PM Central Daylight Time, ojm@iname.com
writes:

<< Recieved this on dragnet. thought it would be appropriate to post here.
 
 Omar
 92 r/t
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: John Kohn [mailto:altvid@mindspring.com]
 Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 8:07 PM
 To: stealth@dragnet.dragnet.com
 Subject: My latest acquisition
 
 
 To all and sundry,
 
 I recently purchased a 1991 3000GT VR-4 with 23K miles. The car looks brand
 new (it is the pearl white paint with dark grey and red interior) and has
 the original 3000GT floor mats. But that isn't the reason for this post.
 
 While driving from Pittsburgh, PA to Huntsville, AL I had occasion to open
 it up on Interstate 71 between Columbus and Cinncinati at around 4 a.m. A
 State Trooper coming the other way turned on his lights and came after me.
 He told me that he had me at 167 mph!!!! Now, I know that no stock VR-4
 will go that fast and since that was only the fourth day I had driven the
 car I felt that the Trooper was mistaken (he showed me his radar readout -
 167). As I'm an ex-cop I got away with a warning and a smile.
 
 Upon returning to Pittsburg I took the car to the dealer to find out why
 this particular car produced speeds that high (the pedal wasn't on the
 floor). They put the car on the computer and told me that the engine had
 been worked on and they thought it was probably an engine from Japan,
 rather than a stock mill from the U.S. As I bought the car from a private
 party, I went back to him and asked the obvious question "What had been
 done to the engine?". With a wry smile on his lips, I was informed that the
 engine is one of 14 that were specially built by Mitsu Racing for test
 purposes in 1994. He had been in Japan in 1995 and had picked up the engine
 (wouldn't say how) and installed it in the VR-4.
 
 To make a long story short, he informed me that the engine is rated at
 460HP and has a metal-link timing belt and several other goodies that he
 isn't sure of (at least the technical details) including a Jack Knife
 5-speed transmission, and beefed up drive train.
 
 So my question is this - do any of you know anything about this engine? I'm
 already familiar with Mr. Knife's transmissions and drive train mods, but
 the engine has me stumped.
 
 Thanx for the help (if any is forthcoming).
 
 John
 --------------------------------- >>
Wow!  I would be truly interested in finding more about this!  Particularly,
Mr. Knife's transmission and drive train mods!

Ahmed - '92 VR4
Need new transmission - no Second gear!  Ouch!
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