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Team3S Digest          Saturday, May 22 1999          Volume 01 : Number 185




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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:44:39 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

Darc,

There is an explanation of rev matching on the 3000gt.com website.
http://www.3000gt.com/drivefaq.htm#revmatch

Regards,
Lynn

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> Would you explain rev matching in a manner that even the great unwashed could understand.
> Tips are always helpful for mechanical longevity and we have lots of lurkers.
> Best
> Darc
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:50:52 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: G-Force ECU Up-Grade

Does anyone have any experience with the G-Force ECU for NA cars or
would anyone care to comment on this subject?

Regards,
Lynn

Meyer wrote:
>
> Wayne,
> We and others have had good success with 15gs and g-force ecus. I would
> recommend 720 injectors since 15gs can easily max out 550s and not much if
> any difference in price. Email privately or call 301 824 3337 for low prices
> on all of above.
> Frank
> www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:47:03 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: G-Force ECU Up-Grade

Sure, it always helps to get rid of the MAS but the problem is that there are
two programmable variables, the ECU and the VPC now. This is why the AFC is good
as it is only rpm related and good for fine tuning the ECU settings or a VPC
(let him combine the AFC and VPC or he'll probably want a GCC)

What program does he plan to use in the VPC ? What program in the GForce ECU ?
It would be hard to determine a problem as it is not clear what part is
responsible for the problem.

Later,
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT


> My friend is currently running the AFC with his GForce ECU but ordered a
> VPC last Friday to replace it with.  Not that he didn't like the AFC, he
> actually never got it tuned(just put on his car two weeks ago or so, he
> just plans on doing more in the future so he wanted the VPC plus getting
> rid of the MAS always helps the intake.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:47:17 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: G-Force ECU Up-Grade

Hey Chris,

Do you have access to any EPROM reader/programmer ? I've just compared the
different programs I have for the ECU and the biggest difference I found was in
the timing and not on the fuel map (?!)

My setup was planned using a VPC together with the ECU but this is really only
to get rid of the MAS. Therefore, I'll first use it with the AFC at the
beginning before the VPC/GCC will find its way
into the car.

> They (G-force) have agreed but, at the point I blew one of my 15Gs, we were
> still running rich at the top end of the range (4800 RPM and up).

AFAIK, a bearing is gone in one of your 15G. Do you have oil in the intake parts
due to
this ?

> Soooo, the jury (for me) is still out. It's debatable whether or not the ECU
> mod (at $750) is a value add if I'm still going to have to install a AFC or
> (preferably) VPC.

I fully agree with you and as each engine is a little different the right
program has to be found for YOUR car. For this, I do have an EPROM simulator
that is plugged into the sockets. Modifications can then simply be done by
altering parameters. If a good setup is found, this binary file can then be
copied into an EPROM.

> the design of the crank, rods, and pistons on the 2nd gen engines, we should
> easily run 8K RPM without problems.

Gulp, I only hit the limiter once with the highly advanced timing by the G-Force
ECU, but 8k would be damn high. Does the ECU fuel map support this area ?

> As Roger pointed out, the question is, do we still produce additional HP up
> there? Probably not, but it allow us to stay in the top end of the power
> band after a shift.

I wish you guys would be able to put your cars with different turbos onto a
dyno. The stock ones are running out of steam and I wonder how the power curve
looks with 15Gs. Mikael, no holidays for you... let them install the things <g>

Later
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:14:38 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BILL.  I've lived that frustration for 2 months when my tranny sheared, just trying to get if fixed inexpensively and right (didn't happen on either account as I'm still waiting for synchros to have the tranny shop install them for an additional $500 cost to what I paid for a total rebuild in the 1st place - WITH NO WARRANTY) - then afterwards it's been a recurring nightmare to see that MANY of us are experiencing the same problem(s), but a company who can't stand up and back it's product and totally stands on the premise that there is nothing wrong with their product.  Then the other night Dateline or 20/20 did an expose on the 64-71 Mustang and it's gas tank / rear collision hazard.  Ford knew about it all along, even saw it in crash tests, has paid millions of dollars UNDER THE TABLE to plantiffs, BUT STILL REFUSES to admit there is a problem.
- --

On Fri, 21 May 1999 01:56:34   Bill Wagner wrote:
>DON'T SEND ANYTHING TO GETRAG OR MITSUBISHI!!!!! THOSE PRICKS WILL
>PROBABLY HIRE A LEGAL TEAM TO "ENFORCE" THEIR PROPRIETARY POLICY. In
>reality, I suspect they can't "enforce" ANYTHING legally, but I bet they
>have enough clout to scare the hell out of some of the small companies
>that are DOING US A BIG FAVOR!!!
>
>The ONLY thing Mitsubishi and Getrag have demonstrated to me is that
>they're willing to produce and rebuild CRAP and then shove it down the
>throats of consumers.
>
>Well, now that I'm in a bad mood again, I guess I can look forward to
>losing several hours of sleep (again) over this issue.
>
>Sorry for the language,
>
>Bill Wagner



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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:29:27 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: GTR MOTORSPORTS

Ok Maxx,

You've got us on a high again.  Give us some more details, like when are the synchros gonna be available, the cost per set, "Are they gonna last longer than the stock crap", and as Bill mentioned about the gear (2nd) being to heavy - are/can something be looked into seeing if there is a lighter gear or having the junk we have now being milled down to reduce weight / add longevity.

As I stated before, I could live with a tranny giving up its synchros at 60-70,000 miles, but not every 25-30,000.  That kind of expense pushes the TCO right out the window - and the co-pilot is already squawking about the $5k I've dumped into the beast and IT STILL AIN'T FIXED RIGHT YET.

Last, but not least, I finally got my letter from the BBB yesterday.  I'm gonna respond today to them that I DO NOT ACCEPT Mitsu's poor excuse, that the Car Warranty has expired - no #$%@ Shrlock - that wasn't the point and we all know that - so they'll have another Bad Mark in their file (like it'll do any good).  I guess the folks in Costa Mesa/Newport Beach (Mitsu) are just living the high life and aren't concerned enough to resolve a critical issue with
a very loyal group of owners who have spent the Big Bucks to purchase this car - and many doing it 2 or 3 times.

Enough of my soapbox - I'm like Bill, I get going on issues like this.

Terry
'92 BLACK VR-4
- --

On Fri, 21 May 1999 02:27:28   NYMaxxNY wrote:
>  Ok, guys, let me make it clear.
>MD auto has been buying parts from us for the past 17 month. That's why the
>prices are so much higher. For example we sell them the bearing kit for $180,
>output shaft for $430, they mark it up and make profit like that. NO, they do
>not get any parts from Germany. Mike gets used trannys from a local
>Mitsubishi dealer and takes them apart. If the synchros or other parts are in
> good condition, he uses them as a replacement in a rebuild unit. That's why
>the core is so important for him. He has no connection with Getrag in Germany
>what so ever. 
>Ok, now the good news
> We finally found a manufacturer that will produce the synchros for us. It
>will be  the solid brass synchros. In order to cut the cost of the product we
>will probably use the original ring with a new brass coat, but that is not
>confirmed yet.
>I always dreamed of a shop that will specialize in 3000GT and I finally made
>that dream come true.
>The 36 000 sq.ft. facility is located in Brooklyn N.Y. 800# will be available
>next week,  and the web site will be done by the end of May.
> Sincerely,
>     Max at
>         GTR MOTORSPORTS.



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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:25:27 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

Terry Swift wrote

> Trying to get all these messages (and their content) straight.  Am I right in saying the bottom
line is, when you experience GEAR CLASH, it's NOT the teethed synchro pieces that's going bad, but
another piece in that 3-ring set - an intermediate ring.  If that's the case, then why can't we just
replace those pieces, instead of the whole set.
=========================================================================

The grinding/clash is caused by the synchro sleeve trying to mesh with the gear. The gear
and the sleeve are supposed to be rotating at the same speed, but because of wear on the
synchro ring [ bronze coated -- hardened steel -- truncated cone ] the two parts are moving
at different speeds. The problem is that the bronze coating wears away and prevents the
synchronizing action. Yes you are correct, the problem is simply the synchro 'cone' or ring
has worn away the bronze coating.
 However, the cone while geometrically simple, is difficult to machine. I noticed in one of the
current posts that there is talk of an "improved" - all bronze cone/ring. I'm not sure it would be
improved since there are tabs that must lock it in place with the gear and these would be
susceptible to shearing under load [ remember the OEM piece is hardened steel ].
I assume the replacement sets that were acquired are two or three piece sets, depending
 on the gear involved. Ideally you would replace them as a matching set.
As I pointed out in my other post, the gear that's having a problem is also damaging the 'teeth'
on the side of the gear that lock it in place with the synchro sleeve. This is why the second
gear had to be replaced in the set given to me by Bryan.
It looks as though repairing the bronze coated piece is the most practal solution.

             Jim Berry


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:10:26 -0600
From: David J Moravek <david.moravek@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Fuel Filter Info.

Just go to any parts store and ask what plugs to use and pick up NGK's..

The best way to change the plugs - have them done by someone else.... :)
I would also suggest to purchase the Shop manual from Mitz.. its very
good. but cost a few bucks.


David

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:11:40 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Plug wire routing.

Hey guys...I'm having touble finding  the exact plug wire routing in the
manual.  I find the fire order....but i'm  not sure of the plug order.  The
coil pack  is labeled,,  maybee the plug holes are to  when you get down to
them.  I'll see.            
 do they go                1    2   3
                                 4   5   6

Or what?   please let me know....I'm putting in new plugs...and magnecore
wires today.
So  we will see if the problem has had any missing or not.  wish me luck =)
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:12:51 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fwd: Extended Warranty Quote

Well more GOOD news!!!!!!!
- --

- --------- Forwarded Message ---------

Thank You for your interest in an Extended Warranty through Auto Advantage Inc.

At the present time we can not offer a warranty on the specific vehicle you requested due to your model.

Thank You

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:28:22 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Plug wire routing.

Easiest way to do this, is to remove and replace 1 plug wire and 1 spark plug at a time.  That way there shouldn't be any problems.
- --

On Fri, 21 May 1999 13:11:40   MitsuVR41 wrote:
>Hey guys...I'm having touble finding  the exact plug wire routing in the
>manual.  I find the fire order....but i'm  not sure of the plug order.  The
>coil pack  is labeled,,  maybee the plug holes are to  when you get down to
>them.  I'll see.            
> do they go                1    2   3
>                                 4   5   6
>
>Or what?   please let me know....I'm putting in new plugs...and magnecore
>wires today.
>So  we will see if the problem has had any missing or not.  wish me luck =)
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:34:43 -0600
From: David J Moravek <david.moravek@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Is leaded racing gas safe?

I am not sure if this got out yesterday. so there it is again.


DON’T USE AV GAS OR LEADED FUEL…. Av gas as too many other additives in
the gas that will deposit in your engine and  Fuels containing lead must
be used for off highway racing purposes only.  Leaded fuels will damage
catalytic converters and oxygen sensors when used in vehicles expressly
designed for unleaded fuels.  Leaded fuels deteriorate quickly when
exposed to direct sunlight.  Keep storage containers and gas tanks sealed
tightly at all times, and place them in a cool environment away from
ultra-violet light. Plus the Trick fuel  has a 105 Octane and your engine
runs cooler. You will also notice it called “trick racing GASOLINE” and
not FUEL that is because Trick is a very refined gas and they hate it
when you call it fuel J.  Also if you are looking for a gas that is
leaded they have fuel that the Octane is 118 (WOW)


But I do that the answer “TRICK RACING GASOLINE”

They can be found at http://trick.com/   ( call them to find a company
that sells it in your city 800-444-1449 )

I live in Colorado Springs and most every racer at the Pikes Peak Hill
Climb - runs this fuel. 

 They have a GREAT UNLEADED Gasoline

TRICK Performance Unleaded

 Street legal gasoline that is excellent in muscle cars, showroom stock
road racing, sport bikes, circle track and performance
 highway applications.  Will not damage catalytic converters, knock
sensors or oxygen sensors.   A must for all street rods!
 Meets California Phase II Reformulated Gasoline regulations.

Research Octane (R.O.N.)    105
Motor Octane (M.O.N.) 95
Anti-Knock Index (R+M/2) 100
Reid Vapor Pressure               6.9
 Distillation Curve (ºF)
   -Initial Boiling Point    110
- -10%              175
- -50%             211
- -90%                               230
- -End Point                            260
Tetra Ethyl Lead (gm/gal) 0.0
Specific Gravity                     .7525
Color                               Clear





- -----Original Message-----
From: William Lynn Larsen [mailto:wlarsen@ibm.net]
<mailto:[mailto:wlarsen@ibm.net]>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 10:25 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Is leaded racing gas safe?

Someone else answered this to the point:
leaded gas will plug up you cats and foul your O2 sensors. It will also
leave residues on other fuel system parts although using once or twice
shouldn’t be a big deal, but the first admonition makes this a moot
point.
Aviation gas is leaded. They call the 100 octane low lead, but by
automotive standards it has a lot in it. The 140 octane has even more in
it.
So, unless you are using it in a strictly racing car with no emissions
equipment, stay with no lead, IMHO.
Regards,
Lynn
“Gendron, Curt” wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> My question is, can I use LEADED racing gas?? 
> What if I mix it half and half with 93 unleaded.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:01:39 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Plug wire routing.

As you stand in front looking at the engine the cylinders are numbered:

   ----firewall---
        6  4  2
        5  3  1

Hope this helps


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth


>Hey guys...I'm having touble finding  the exact plug wire routing in the
>manual.  I find the fire order....but i'm  not sure of the plug order.  The
>coil pack  is labeled,,  maybee the plug holes are to  when you get down to
>them.  I'll see.
> do they go                1    2   3
>                                 4   5   6
>
>Or what?   please let me know....I'm putting in new plugs...and magnecore
>wires today.
>So  we will see if the problem has had any missing or not.  wish me luck =)
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:44:11 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: G-Force ECU Up-Grade

No there isn't anything like this available for the NA cars. Even if a gain of
10hp could be achieved (and there is no way to get more) do you think somebody
would pay $750 for this ???

> Does anyone have any experience with the G-Force ECU for NA cars or
> would anyone care to comment on this subject?

Regards,
Roger
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:57:13 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Nexus Motorsports

Has anybody talked to Chien at Nexus Motorsports lately?  I had sent him a
couple of  emails three weeks ago and never heard back from him.  When I
call Nexus yesterday, I was told that Chien was not available, and that they
were not going to sell mail order anymore!!   Hate to loose one of our
esteemed vendors/members.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:58:17 -0400
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Nexus Motorsports

I talked to Jen (Chien's girlfriend, works at Nexus) on Monday, she said the
same thing - they're getting out of the mail order business.

They'll still be open as a tuner shop, but for those of us not from the
MidAtlantic area, they're effectively gone.

So much for swapping my throttle body core!

   -Ed (with the 2400 RPM idle)




- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Young [mailto:jefyoung@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 3:57 PM
To: Stealth - Team 3S
Subject: Team3S: Nexus Motorsports


Has anybody talked to Chien at Nexus Motorsports lately?  I had sent him a
couple of  emails three weeks ago and never heard back from him.  When I
call Nexus yesterday, I was told that Chien was not available, and that they
were not going to sell mail order anymore!!   Hate to loose one of our
esteemed vendors/members.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:09:11 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Plug wire routing.

Thank you for the help.  One more note.  Doing it one at a time is not the
ideal for me.   If my old wires are misrouted...and I follow them..  Then I
have wasted a shitload  of time!!!  So .... I see it best to make DAMN
sure!!!  thanx for the input and help though.  Thanx for the answer.  I'll
continue now.  =)
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:22:00 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Throttle bodies

Ed:

If your looking for an enlarged throttle body,  RC Engineering can do it for
you.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth

<snip>


>So much for swapping my throttle body core!
>
>   -Ed (with the 2400 RPM idle)
>
>


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:39:21 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rear Wheel Bearings.... help. Wayne can I have your number?

Well I checked the wheel bearings last night and everything was tight, then
I was sitting at work today and it struck me.  I had the E-brake on when I
checked the wheels..... duh!  Well I checked it tonight, and sure enough the
right rear wheel bearings are shot.  About 3/4" of movement at the tire !!!!
And I drove to Ocean City like that !!  Anyway I took the tire off and
looked at it and it is not apparent how to get it apart.  I did not receive
my manual yet so I am in the dark.  Any help?  Can someone give me their
number that has done this?  Also someone mentioned about the ABS sensor, I
have that e-mail at work so I can not refer to it.  Something about being
careful not to damage it?????

Thanks guys,
Kevin Schappell
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From: Jeffrey Young <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 5:23 PM
Subject: Team3S: Throttle bodies


>Ed:
>
>If your looking for an enlarged throttle body,  RC Engineering can do it
for
>you.
>
>
>Jeffrey
>92 RT/Turbo
>www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>
><snip>
>
>
>>So much for swapping my throttle body core!
>>
>>   -Ed (with the 2400 RPM idle)
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:44:53 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ground Control Report

> Wow, this sounds very unsafe. What if you live in a city with bad potholes,


He is right. Worst of all are the country roads where the small rises
give you zero 'G's. If your suspension goes full extension, your
springs will unseat and when you come down you will either be bending
a rod or have one or more wheels with the springs caught on the
collars / perches. Loss of control is eminent and those ditches along
the side of the road will just love eating your car. That is if you
are lucky enough to not cross the center line into an on coming truck.
This is a dangerous set up and is only slightly better than the rice
boys cutting their springs for 2-3" of lowering and figuring gravity
will keep it together.

I'd NEVER run with anyone not fixing this.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:12:52 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear Wheel Bearings.... help. Wayne can I have your number?

.  I did not receive
> my manual yet so I am in the dark.  Any help?  Can someone give me their
> number that has done this?  Also someone mentioned about the ABS sensor, I
> have that e-mail at work so I can not refer to it.  Something about being
> careful not to damage it?????
=========================================================


I could probably create a file from my back-up CD manual and email it to you --- I'd
have to look into it a little.

    Jim Berry



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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:14:27 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: HELL YEAH!!!!!! THE VR-4 IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I CHANGED THE PLUGS TO NIPPON DENSO GAPPED AT 35  AND TO MAGNECORE 8.5 MM
WIRES.  THE VR-4 IS BACK!!!!!!!  MY CAR IS BASICALLY NORMAL AGAIN!!!!!!!  I
CAN ACTUALLY RIDE IN FIFTH GEAR NOW....AND I CAN ACTUALLY KEEP THE CRUISE
CONTROLL ON!!!  NO MORE POPPING HERE!!!  I FEEL FUCKING GREAT!!!!!!! I HAVE
BEEN THROUGH HELL WITH MY CAR FOR TWO YEARS NOW!!!  IT SEEMS TO BE BACK!!!  I
STILL HAVE A SLIGHT HESITATION....BUT I DON'T CARE AT THE MOMENT!!!!! I'LL
DEAL WITH  THAT SOON ENOUGH!!!! THANX FOR ALL THE HELP AND INPUT FROM
EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED.  LETS HOPE IT STAYS THIS WAY.    NEXT WILL BE
PERFORMANCE  UPGRADES!!!!!!  HELL YES...IT FEELS GOOD TO RIDE NEXT TO VETTES
WITH PRIDE AGAIN.....NO MORE YUGO ASS
KISSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:53:04 -0500
From: Phil Johnson <dangerwit@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: extended warranty

Hi Grant,

I got a nice one from my local Dodge dealer (or Mitsu in your case).  About
$1200 for 4 yrs/48k.  Not bad, already paid for itself.

*Phil

At 05:55 PM 5/20/99 , you wrote:
>Does anyone have any recommendations for an extended warranty company for my
>'93 VR-4. I've just been refused by the folks at
>http://www.warrantydirect.com and http://www.warrantygold.com because it's a
>VR-4.
>
>Thanks,
>Grant.
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:59:51 -0500
From: Phil Johnson <dangerwit@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: ACT Clutch price and advice?

Hi all, I need to replace my clutch (I think) because it seems like it's
slipping around 3500 rpm in third, 4000 rpm in second... that is, the rpm's
shoot up (by about 1k) like I'm suddenly in neutral, then suddenly go back
down again.  This *is* a clutch issue, correct?

At any rate, I've been told ACT makes a swell third party clutch, and I was
hoping I could get some folks' opinions, and maybe where a good reliable
place to get one (or any clutch if 'ACT sucks') is.

Thanks!

*Phillip

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:00:03 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ACT Clutch price and advice?

Don't drive the car if your clutch is slipping you can destroy the
flywheel!!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Johnson [mailto:dangerwit@mn.mediaone.net]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 10:00 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: ACT Clutch price and advice?

Hi all, I need to replace my clutch (I think) because it
seems like it's
slipping around 3500 rpm in third, 4000 rpm in second...
that is, the rpm's
shoot up (by about 1k) like I'm suddenly in neutral, then
suddenly go back
down again.  This *is* a clutch issue, correct?

At any rate, I've been told ACT makes a swell third party
clutch, and I was
hoping I could get some folks' opinions, and maybe where a
good reliable
place to get one (or any clutch if 'ACT sucks') is.

Thanks!

*Phillip

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:13:40 -0500
From: Phil Johnson <dangerwit@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ACT Clutch price and advice?

Oh, I don't, but that does beg one more question:

Is there something I did, or any kind of babying I can do to help my new
clutch live a longer life?  =-)

*Phil

At 09:00 PM 5/21/99 , you wrote:
>Don't drive the car if your clutch is slipping you can destroy the
>flywheel!!!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Johnson [mailto:dangerwit@mn.mediaone.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 10:00 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S: ACT Clutch price and advice?
>
> Hi all, I need to replace my clutch (I think) because it
>seems like it's
> slipping around 3500 rpm in third, 4000 rpm in second...
>that is, the rpm's
> shoot up (by about 1k) like I'm suddenly in neutral, then
>suddenly go back
> down again.  This *is* a clutch issue, correct?
>
> At any rate, I've been told ACT makes a swell third party
>clutch, and I was
> hoping I could get some folks' opinions, and maybe where a
>good reliable
> place to get one (or any clutch if 'ACT sucks') is.
>
> Thanks!
>
> *Phillip
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:17:44 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: NFS CLK-GT-R

So Roger, have you downloaded the Mercedes CLK-GTR from Needfor
Speed.comIV. It works in NFSIII and is a really cool car. It whistles
when you back off, like an HKS BOV hoots, only more schril. Power is
great and handling is great too. I haven't found how to kill the over
steer with the throttle on but I've broke most the records in my game.

It reminds me of what our cars might be with a tube chassis and carbon
body. Broke Red Rock Ridge second time out.


Did you ever get the 3KGT programmed? Try it if you haven't already.
You have to have the 'All cars" for NFS cheats site to get the car
available.

Too much fun, for a computer game...

Ron
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:47:47 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: ACT Clutch price and advice?

Phil;

Yep it's a clutch issue, but you already knew that. The advise about not driving with a
clutch that slips is apropos unless you want to buy a new flywheel...and if you do,
consider a lightweight one. Also, if you contact Frank at Accelerated Accessories, he
may let you ride in the caboose on the group order we (Team 3S) just finished placing
through him for performance clutches. It may be too late, but hey you never know,
particularly when the order has not been completely filled yet.  Worth a try.
(meyer2@erols.com)

Best

Darc

Phil Johnson wrote:

> Hi all, I need to replace my clutch (I think) because it seems like it's
> slipping around 3500 rpm in third, 4000 rpm in second... that is, the rpm's
> shoot up (by about 1k) like I'm suddenly in neutral, then suddenly go back
> down again.  This *is* a clutch issue, correct?
>
> At any rate, I've been told ACT makes a swell third party clutch, and I was
> hoping I could get some folks' opinions, and maybe where a good reliable
> place to get one (or any clutch if 'ACT sucks') is.
>
> Thanks!
>
> *Phillip
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Nexus Motorsports

Hey Ed,
  Did you find out why he wasn't there selling goods
like OC4 Gathering????  My brother really wanted to
change to a open air K&N filter or equivalent. 

   Anyway, thought I let you know that in the latest
Turbo mag...July 99  there is a new Isuzu header from
Bill's Isuzuperformace which offers an exhaust header
for the 90-93 DOHC 1.6L Impulse XS,Stylus, Geo Storm
and SOHC 2.0L 83-87 Impulse non-turbo. Header is
manufact by Stan's Header's in Seattle, and uses
"tri-Y" design and features a 1 1/2 inch diam
primaries, 2" diam secondaries and 2 1/2" collector
pipe. All pipes mandrel-bent. 

   On another note, my brother will chose to be with
the New England drivers in future crusies in the hopes
of preventing what happened the past weekend on route
to Island raceway.  The cost to repair his damage to
repaint bumper and damaged panel = $500 and I have to
let my bro borrow my Jeep Grand Cheorkee for 3 days.
:(  O well, at least I get to drive the Cherokee for a
few days.

- --- "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com> wrote:
>
> I talked to Jen (Chien's girlfriend, works at Nexus)
> on Monday, she said the
> same thing - they're getting out of the mail order
> business.
>
> They'll still be open as a tuner shop, but for those
> of us not from the
> MidAtlantic area, they're effectively gone.
>
> So much for swapping my throttle body core!
>
>    -Ed (with the 2400 RPM idle)
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Young [mailto:jefyoung@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 3:57 PM
> To: Stealth - Team 3S
> Subject: Team3S: Nexus Motorsports
>
>
> Has anybody talked to Chien at Nexus Motorsports
> lately?  I had sent him a
> couple of  emails three weeks ago and never heard
> back from him.  When I
> call Nexus yesterday, I was told that Chien was not
> available, and that they
> were not going to sell mail order anymore!!   Hate
> to loose one of our
> esteemed vendors/members.
>
>
> Jeffrey
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>
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From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Sorry about last post guys. (nm)

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:27:11 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Ground Control Report

This is just a *little bit* of an exageration.

This was one of my concerns when I purchased my kit.  Some of my favored
roads out here are in the desert have numerous dips and some of them quite
severe.  At silly speeds the car will become airborne.  Although this is
rare it does happen.

The exact same GC products sold to the people on this list are used on the
track.  These cars hit these same dips and valleys on roads course at speeds
far exceeding what most street cars will see.  Furthermore they get one or
more wheels completely off the ground during cornering.  If GC products were
causing off track excursions they sure wouldn't be in business very long nor
would they hold the high degree of respect they do from the racing
community.

The stock rear spring is not under tension as it is and there are no
hyper-extension straps.  With the GC kit the spring and strut travel the
same distance, unlike "lowering springs" which reduce suspension travel
since they are shorter than the full extension of the strut.  Therefore the
GC kit is not only superior at handling but safer in this regard.

Although it doesn't sound right at first, many many cars are set up this way
and many of those cars (road course) see air time that exceeds what a
pothole or country road dip will excite.  It works.

If one really wanted to do so you could put extension limiting straps as
used on off-road race trucks -- had them my my Toyota which saw quite a bit
of hang time -- but it is quite unnecessary for street going cars.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> > Wow, this sounds very unsafe. What if you live in a city with
> bad potholes,
>
>
> He is right. Worst of all are the country roads where the small rises
> give you zero 'G's. If your suspension goes full extension, your
> springs will unseat and when you come down you will either be bending
> a rod or have one or more wheels with the springs caught on the
> collars / perches. Loss of control is eminent and those ditches along
> the side of the road will just love eating your car. That is if you
> are lucky enough to not cross the center line into an on coming truck.
> This is a dangerous set up and is only slightly better than the rice
> boys cutting their springs for 2-3" of lowering and figuring gravity
> will keep it together.
>
> I'd NEVER run with anyone not fixing this.

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:57:19 -0400
From: Roger Crawford <rcrawford@dbp-inc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fwd: Extended Warranty Quote

Kinda like this one... :)

>-----Original Message-----
From: Warranty Direct [mailto:quotes@warrantydirect.com]
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 9:02 PM
To: Roger Crawford
Subject: RE: Promotion
Due to the VR4 engine on your vehicle it does not qualify for
warranty protection.
If we can assist you with anything else please contact us at 1-800-632-4222.


Your Friends At
Warranty Direct

- -----Original Message-----
From: Terry Swift [mailto:tlswift@hotbot.com]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 1:13 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Fwd: Extended Warranty Quote


Well more GOOD news!!!!!!!
- --

- --------- Forwarded Message ---------

Thank You for your interest in an Extended Warranty through Auto Advantage
Inc.

At the present time we can not offer a warranty on the specific vehicle you
requested due to your model.

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:09:38 -0400
From: Bill Wagner <wagner@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fwd: Extended Warranty Quote

When I was looking for an extended warranty for my RT/TT, no one would
cover it either. When I asked why, most would simply say "we just don't
cover that car". I pressed one, and he finally gave me an answer. Can
anyone guess what causes the insurance rejection. Let me give you a
hint. It starts with the letter "G".

Bill Wagner


Terry Swift wrote:
>
> Well more GOOD news!!!!!!!
> --
>
> --------- Forwarded Message ---------
>
> Thank You for your interest in an Extended Warranty through Auto Advantage Inc.
>
> At the present time we can not offer a warranty on the specific vehicle you requested due to your model.
>
>         Thank You
>
> --------- End Forwarded Message ---------
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:21:13 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fwd: Extended Warranty Quote

I think with that answer I would have to ask what is a VR-4 engine and where on my vehicle does it reside.  Need some humor with all the negative responses we seem to be getting from the automotive and insurance world.  Again, "How do these people know there are high risks involved with this car, but Mitsu doesn't?" OR DO THEY BUT COULDN'T AFFORD THE FALLOUT.
- --

On Sat, 22 May 1999 00:57:19   Roger Crawford wrote:
>Kinda like this one... :)
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>From: Warranty Direct [mailto:quotes@warrantydirect.com]
>Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 9:02 PM
>To: Roger Crawford
>Subject: RE: Promotion
>Due to the VR4 engine on your vehicle it does not qualify for
>warranty protection.
>If we can assist you with anything else please contact us at 1-800-632-4222.
>
>
>Your Friends At
>Warranty Direct
>


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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:40:23 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NFS 3000GT

Side topic ... but maybe some are interested in this :)

> Did you ever get the 3KGT programmed? Try it if you haven't already.
> You have to have the 'All cars" for NFS cheats site to get the car
> available.

My 3000GT for NFS III (dunno if it works in IV) is on the NFSCheats site since
Jan/February. It's the first gen GTO shape I took and with stock performance.
The R-Tec version is also done and the shape is a little bit changed as well the
wheels are O.Z. Mito 2 (it looks like my car does, hehe). The power curve is
adapted to what our cars do on the streets and my feeling is pretty accurate
(incl. 5 speed). Of course, the car has some understeer and no AWD is
programmable, but I think it acts great. I send you the addr this weekend where
to get it.

I can do a 2nd gen Stealth if it's not done already.

Have fun
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:19:22 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fwd: Extended Warranty Quote

> To: Roger Crawford
> Subject: RE: Promotion
> Due to the VR4 engine on your vehicle it does not qualify for
> warranty protection.
> If we can assist you with anything else please contact us at 1-800-632-4222.
>
=========================================================================

Last Dec. I got a warranty, through the used car dealer where I bought the car. The
warranty is so called bumper to bumper, 4/48K and cost $2000. The car was a 93 TT
with 35 K miles.

The only contact information I have is :
Warranty Administration Corp
P.O. box 140130
Denver, Co.
80214             Ph 1-800-445-4065

The name of the insurance co. is Global Standard Warranty, LTD [ English ??? ].
Maybe the administration co. could point you at a broker or something.

     Gook luck   Jim Berry    [ I checked out a bunch of places also ]

P.S. some folk on the other list say that Chysler sells them ????

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