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Team3S Digest          Saturday, May 15 1999          Volume 01 : Number 179




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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:57:24 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: oil return line leak...and question

Okay....there is a silverish line that connects to the oil pan near the
starter.  It has been leaking....so i replaced the gasket....but it is still
leaking through the gasket.  Any Ideas on  how to stop this??  should I try
two gaskets??  Oh.....when the oil leaks...it  runs down and gets on my
exhaust....so that is were the steam has been coming from.  The oil was
burning off the hot exhaust....but I guess at a slow enough rate to make the
steam not to black.  This leak is pretty bad.....I lost like a quarter of a
quart of oil in like two days of not much driving.  I finally got  my
pre-cats gutted!!!  But I need to solve this  problem before I can really
drive around. 
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:57:36 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: oil return line leak...and question

MitsuVR41...(who are you anyway masked man?)

The new gasket leaked ? Hmmm...doubling up may or may not solve it... likely not if you
use the old new gasket and another new one. Better to try doing it again and cleaning
the surfaces real well, then use some gasket spray with a single new gasket. The tacky
spray (a thin layer)  should seal it well and solve the problem.

Best

Darc



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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:12:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: BDLSOO7@webtv.net (chris hill)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum

there was a post sometime back about someone building a custom intake
plenium, i think it was brad,but i just wondered if they had allready
built it. and if so, how well does it work? i also like the idea of
another throttle body, has anyone tried this mod yet? just curious.
chris hill
                                              lubbock tx
                                                91 vr4

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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:05:41 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: oil return line leak...and question

Good you found the cause for the steam !

> Okay....there is a silverish line that connects to the oil pan near the
> starter.  It has been leaking....so i replaced the gasket....but it is still

You are refering to the front turbo return line, right ? Where was it leaking,
at the turbo or the oil pan ?

A problem could be that the line is bent a little as this can happen due to
removing the front turbo. My advise is to remove the bolts at the oil pan and
check how good it fits. Also remove the line at the turbo and check for fitting.
Check the surface of both flanges as well as at the turbo and the oil pan and
finally follow the advice from Darc on mounting the new gaskets (hope you have
the right ones).

> steam not to black.  This leak is pretty bad.....I lost like a quarter of a
> quart of oil in like two days of not much driving.

... and you have the cause for the somewhat low oil-pressure as well.

Hope this helps,
Roger

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:15:05 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gutting out cats

Dal,

> None of the two cars is using a cat.

So you say that both cars do have gutted pre-cats and no main cat ?? In your
earlier post I though you said that you have still a stock exhaust ? Please
clarify.

> and the one with more mods AND more boost is still falling behind with the
> gutted pre cats and downpipe.  So far both cars have pretty safe EGT's.
> That is why in my experiences gutted pre cats and a downpipe do not help
> 1/4 mile times much with stock turbos.

I agree (if your exhaust is different), as this proves the dyno results of three
cars ! I just hoped that the gutted precats would help more than the rest so the
question is if your friends car is healthy enough to be compared to yours ?
Would it be possible to exchange the front exhaust parts (front
pre-cat/dp/testpipe) and do a retest again ?

You say that the other car has many more mods than yours. Can you please give us
some details on these mods ?

Thanks,
Roger

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:19:38 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: oil return line leak

MitsuVR41@aol.com wrote:

>  silver line connects to oil pan near starter leaking.   I replaced gasket but it
> still
> leaking through gasket.  Ideas how to stop?  should I try
> two gaskets?   leak is pretty bad, I lost quarter of a quart in two days.

Unbolt it again.  Take off "new" gasket.  Get ONLY Permatex "Ultra Blue" gasket
sealant stuff.  Clean off the pan side, the pipe side as well as possible and make
sure there is no more of the OLD gasket PARTLY still there making a ledge
that won't seal.  Coat the pipe side, the gasket both sides, and the pan face with
thin coat of Ultra Blue.  Attach pipe again with moderate tight bolts (not SUPERtight,
will
distort pan/flange and sqeeze out too much UltraBlue.)

This should work WELL.  UltraBlue can even seal if both surfaces have a little oil on
them...
Hope this helps!
Jack Tertadian

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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:18:23 EDT
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Dealer experience & transmission questions. 

Hi all,

It's great to be back on a 3Si mailing list!   Unfortunately, I am
the one who has recently experienced a Voided/Nulled warranty on my
transmission (some of you already are aware of my situation - Thank you for
your support!).   To make a real long story short (Believe it or not),  I was
DENIED a new transmission by Mitsubishi and got "Black listed" due to my
GReddy aftermarket part.  I know!  Why didn't I take the aftermarket part OUT
before I turned my car in?  Well, they already saw my car and approved it
even with my aftermarket GReddy part in it & scheduled an appointment to get
the job done under warranty!  But, unfortunately the District manager was on
the premises on the day that I brought the car in for the tranny.  They page
me within 45 minutes and stated, "Your car has been altered by an
after-market part; that voids and Nulls any warranty you have on your VR4.  I
did not know that about your car when you came to us last week";  Yeah
right!?  They physically SAW the car!  This Service manager stated to me that
he even documented my vin# in Mitsubishi's system that my car was "altered &
modified".  Meaning that no other Mitsubishi dealership would honor any
warranty transmission.  In other words, he "black balled"  (service manager's
own words) me! 
I am currently working on several options & ideas to pursue the
matter;  I have all documentations needed to make a good case!  The thing is
that I had tranny problems before the mods were put on (thank God, I have
documentations from the Mitsu. dealership that I tried to confirm the
problems but they denied any "faults" in the tranny).  I'll try to keep you
all posted.   If my plans work out, it will be advantageous for all of us on
this list!  But in the meantime, I have to look into alternative plans &
ideas.   I have a few questions that I need to ask you all.

My questions are: 

1)   Is there any way to install another type of transmission into a 1st.
generation
VR4?   Such as installing a 4th. generation Twin Turbo Supra six
speed trans?  I
believe the Supra transmission is also made by Getrag.  What
alterations would I
have to perform to the Supra trans. (rear wheel drive) to comply with
my AWD set up?
2) Does anyone have the phone #  to Getrag (Germany); or website or
email?
3) I believe there was someone on the starnet list that was able to take
apart our transmissions and was working on getting new parts from
Getrag!  Who was that?  Was that Jack Tertadian (ooopss, I hope I
spelled his name right!)?  Does
anyone know how to contact him?
4) Has anyone upgraded their 1st. Generation 5 speed 3Si to a Getrag 3Si
6 speed? If so,  have you experienced any problems?  I am aware of the
following:  Thanks to Arty!

Transmission:   W6mg1:   MB896324
 Transfer case:                  MB896326
 Rear end Gears:               MB185450    (3.307 gears, may need some sort
 of shim pack, depending on how to properly set the ring & pinion gears up)
 DriveShaft assembly:        MR111394    You can either buy a new one, or
 have yours lengthened about an inch (measure Before you send it to a
driveshaft shop)

 To make the install "right"
 Add these part #'s

 Shifter Cables:                MR102669

 Those of you with the 91-93.4 cars:

 Shifter lever:                   911854
 Pivot:                              911858

Thank you all in advance,
I truly appeciate all the support I have received from some of you via
private emails. (since the list was down, I had no access to our 3Si mailing
list - But it's great to finally be back on!).

Ahmed.
'92 VR4  (right now I'm too depressed about listing all my mods due to the
fact that it cost me a warrantied tranny to be DENIED).

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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:36:31 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: oil return line leak...and question

Are you sure it's leaking at the gasket contact area or could it be a
crack at the flange? If the return line tubing has been vibrating or
bumped if could have created a fine crack that allows the pressurized
oil to leak and look like a bad gasket seal. Clean it and see if you
can see if the actual leak is where the tubing meets the flange.

Ron
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:07:38 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: Team3S: Best clutch??

I am curious what you guys feel is the best clutch for a car with a borla
exhaust, hks intake and hks boost controller.  I know the stock isn't the
best but what would be good for the car with those mods?  Also what is the
usual price for putting a new clutch in, I know it isn't easy.  Thanks
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