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Digest Saturday, May 8
1999 Volume 01 : Number
173
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 03:27:33 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Ahem.....newbie discoveries
- -----Original Message-----From: SoCoDrnkr@aol.com
<SoCoDrnkr@aol.com>
-
-----------snip-----------
|sure about Napa) and pick up the 1990 on Foreign
or Domestic car
manual by
|Chiltons and they will give you the steps for
just about
everything, for the
|3S. That is around $22. And
pretty good but pretty big also. I
found that
|by accident. I
am going to buy it because the service manual
through Dodge
|is around $40
or so. But that is the only Servicing guide that i
have foound
|so
far. I think the average time to do this job on the first time
is 2-3
hrs.
|good Luck
About all the info you're going to get in the
Chilton's is how to
change plugs... They do just fine for lots of other
cars, but not
S/3ks... There have been discussions on this before, and
that's the
consensus from several other owners. Spring for the
Dodge/Mitsu
manual or go for the big bucks for the full set of (2)
manuals--
$59.00 + $10.47 shipping and tax. Call 1-800-890-4038 to
order. If
I remember correctly, there's also an explanation and
pictures
somewhere on Eric's website, www.3Si.org . Good luck, and watch
your
knuckles on the back plugs! :-)
Forrest
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Date:
Fri, 07 May 1999 13:11:20 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Raising compression in an NA
AFAIK, the compression is already
high (10.6:1 I guess) and I wouldn't go higher
than 11:1. But this can only
be done by working the heads down or using a
thinner gasket. In my point of
view it gives you only about 2-5% more power if
the job is done right. But
the cost for the job is pretty high :(
Regards,
Roger
>
system, How high can I raise the compression? Is there a formula that
>
can be used to get a compression ratio without valve problems. Is the
>
valve clearance listed in the repair manual? Thanks
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 07:15:27 -0400
From: "Michael D. Romano" <mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Ahem.....newbie discoveries
Another good place to check for
manuals is on Ebay. I snagged both manuals
for $50 total with shipping, in
mint condition. Only hitch was that they
were for a 1993 3000GT, and
not Stealth...but thats not too big a deal. Also
got a beautiful 1993 Dodge
Performance book with nice Stealth pics & info in
it for dirt
cheap.
- -Mike
'93 Stealth ES
> consensus from several other
owners. Spring for the Dodge/Mitsu
> manual or go for the big bucks
for the full set of (2) manuals--
> $59.00 + $10.47 shipping and
tax. Call 1-800-890-4038 to order. If
> I remember correctly,
there's also an explanation and pictures
> somewhere on Eric's website, www.3Si.org . Good luck, and watch
>
your knuckles on the back plugs! :-)
>
>
Forrest
>
>
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 08:49:25 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Valve noise question
I'm having the exact same thing going on with my
valves right now too. If
you figure it out, please let me
know.
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 08:54:15 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Oil
Capacity issue 4.2 or 4.9 quarts?
I have a concern with the proper oil
capacity when having my oil changed.
My Diamond Star Service manual (98$)
from Mitsubishi sais the proper oil
capacity is 4.9 quarts,
however......Every oil change place I go to sais the
capacity or
recomended fill level is only 4.2 quarts. This concerns me,
seing as
how my lash valve has failed on another engine before, due to
having
too much oil in the vehicle......it was actually overfilled by 2
quarts (not
by me), so at this point, to me....having .7 quarts too much or
not enough oil in my vehicle concerns me........what's the
word???? 4.2 or
4.9?
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Date:
Fri, 07 May 1999 08:33:58 -0500
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Oil Capacity issue 4.2 or 4.9 quarts?
I use 5 quarts every
time i change it. The level is fine...
Wayne
At 07:54 AM
5/7/99 , you wrote:
>I have a concern with the proper oil capacity when
having my oil changed.
>My Diamond Star Service manual (98$) from
Mitsubishi sais the proper oil
>capacity is 4.9 quarts,
however......Every oil change place I go to sais the
>capacity or
recomended fill level is only 4.2 quarts. This concerns me,
>seing
as how my lash valve has failed on another engine before, due to
>having too much oil in the vehicle......it was actually overfilled by 2
>quarts (not by me), so at this point, to me....having .7
quarts too much or
> not enough oil in my vehicle concerns
me........what's the word???? 4.2 or
>4.9?
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 08:46:30 -0500
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject:
Team3S: ACT clutch story and some news
Hey everyone,
Well, after
some tense moments on Monday and Tuesday, I did get my ACT
clutch installed
and I must say, I really like it. The pedal pressure
increased slightly
and you have to give it a little gas when letting 1st
gear out, but it
definatly has a lot of grip. I can't wait for my 500 mile
break in
period to be over so I can really test it. ;) In case you
don't
remember my earlier post about my rivit problem, I'll recap. The
dealer
called me before they put my clutch in and said that there were only
2
rivits holding in one side of the disk. They thought it was a bad
design or
a defect. I call ACT, and discovered that it was a
defect. ACT was really
nice and overnighted a new one directly to the
dealer. On Tuesday, the
dealer got the new disk and got the install
done that day. I'm thankful
that Wayzata Mitsu discovered the defect
before installing the clutch. And,
I was satisfied with the customer
service that ACT supplied in dealing with
the problem. Wow, a happy
ending, huh? :)
My "news" portion of this e-mail is to let you all
know that my "Minnesota
3/S" group got together last Saturday for a little
cruise around Minnesota.
If you want to read about our outing, go to:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/5641/rural.html
Thats
all for now,
Curt G
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 07:51:18 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Oil Capacity issue 4.2 or 4.9 quarts?
The spec sheets show
4.2 Qt (4.0 L) for the crankcase and 0.5 Qt (0.3 L)
for the
filter. This may be where the oil change places are getting
their
numbers from. Be careful, most oil change places do not replace
the crush
ring on the oil drain plug. They also use off brand filters
(sometimes).
Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>
>At
07:54 AM 5/7/99 , you wrote:
>>I have a concern with the proper oil
capacity when having my oil changed.
>>My Diamond Star Service manual
(98$) from Mitsubishi sais the proper oil
>>capacity is 4.9
quarts, however......Every oil change place I go to
sais
the
>>capacity or recomended fill level is only 4.2
quarts. This concerns me,
>>seing as how my lash valve has
failed on another engine before, due to
>>having too much oil in the
vehicle......it was actually overfilled by 2
>>quarts (not by me), so
at this point, to me....having .7 quarts too much
or
>>
not enough oil in my vehicle concerns me........what's the word????
4.2
or
>>4.9?
>
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 09:25:06 -0500
From: "John C. Davidson" <jd@edge-software.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Oil Capacity issue 4.2 or 4.9 quarts?
Strange...
My Mitsu
Service Manual says (from page 00-47):
4.5qts
(Non-Turbo)
4.9qts (Turbo)
Of course these are the total
capacities (including the filter
and the cooler). I recall seeing
somewhere else that the crankcase
capacity was 4.2qts, thus the rest is
probably accounted for in the
filter/cooler. (Most shops tend to latch
onto the 4.2 number.)
I found that most places tend to underfill the
oil. As a result, I've
found the best way to know how much they put in
is to bring them 5
quarts of Mobil 1 and simply check how much is left in the
5th quart.
(I consistently have to pour in extra before leaving the
shop.)
-JD
> The spec sheets show 4.2 Qt (4.0
L) for the crankcase and 0.5 Qt (0.3 L)
> for the filter. This
may be where the oil change places are getting their
> numbers from.
Be careful, most oil change places do not replace the crush
> ring on the
oil drain plug. They also use off brand filters (sometimes).
>
>
> Jeffrey
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 09:27:51 -0500
From: "John C. Davidson" <jd@edge-software.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Oil Capacity issue 4.2 or 4.9 quarts?
Sorry about including the
sig on that last post, as well as the extra
bandwidth wasted by this
explanation. ;)
-JD
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Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 12:59:30 -0400
From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
Team3S: new digital pressure guage
Was just looking through a design
magazine and saw a cool looking pressure
guage. Check out the site http://www.keyence.com/sensors/ap30.htm#2
I
talked to the company and the price is $179.00. A little steep but
if you
want a fast and accurate guage it might be worth it.
Kevin
Schappell
Auto Answers
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Date:
Fri, 07 May 1999 20:45:43 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: new digital pressure guage
> guage. Check out the site
http://www.keyence.com/sensors/ap30.htm#2
I
> talked to the company and the price is $179.00.
You can have
this much cheaper ! Get a 3bar GM MAP sensor for $49 (0-5V) and a
3-4 digit
LED display kit (voltmeter, about $20) Depending on the voltage the
meter can
display you now have to add an amplifier to change the readout to be
shown in
the appropriate scale (cost around $5) That's it, you have your digital
gauge
:)
The biggest problem is ... where do you mount it :) Also check out
the
"Intellitronix" digital gauges that come already in a 2 1/16" case
(should have
a boost gauge soon).
// Roger
-
-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
K&N FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi
AFC,HKS SBOV,
ATR DP/testpipe,Borla Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko
AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,
Bremsa brakes,Mevius Street Race
pads
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Date:
Fri, 07 May 1999 15:21:31 -0700
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeff.schwartz@citicorp.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: More Turbo problems
I had the same problem and refused to
believe that it could have been
the plugs or wires since my car only has 14K
miles on it, although
it is 3 years old. Well last week I
changed my plugs (NGK's) and
put in some Magnecor wires, and the miss firing
is gone!
- --
Jeff Schwartz
1995 Panama Green Pearl VR4
Borla,
K&N FIPK, Magnecors
R.G. wrote:
>
> > You may be
right, but my car did make a "popping noise" under heavy
> >
acceleration in 5th until I did the change. Later I attributed it to
be
> > a misfire.
>
> Yes, this was under heavy load.
Unfortunately, it's very hard to determine the
> sound if not heard by
myself. I agree with you on the wires and plugs to be
> changed if they
are old or do have a high milage. But it's an investment and for
> some of
us not easy to do by ourselfs. Anyway, if the tubing/hoses are ok the
>
wires plugs are the next step :)
>
> Roger
>
>
-----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT
TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
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Date:
Sat, 08 May 1999 00:04:46 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject:
Team3S: Pagid pads .. problems ?
For a longer time I successfully use the
Bremsa crossdrilled/slotted disks
together with Pagid RS-R (orange) pads.
About 4 weeks ago I was on a small track
and did my yearly driving brush-up
but on higher speeds than the last times.
Braking was very good and compared
to all of the other cars I had the best
braking distance
:)
Unfortunately, something bad happened to the brakes then as it seemed
that I can
hear more noise when the car is running slowly. Looking at the
rotors (disks) I
noticed some new grooves in them. As I have a set of
z-Mevius pads sitting on
the floor I thought it is a good time to change the
pads to find out how they
work. As I removed the Pagids and looked at the
pads surface I was somewhat
shocked : They had holes in the surface, about
8mm dia and 2-3mm deep. The dia
is exactly the size of the holes in the
rotors and it seems that the pads could
not withstand the material of the
rotors, especially around the holes. I
immediately called Bremsa and they
agreed to send them back to Pagid for further
investigations.
I
remember that I was maybe not driving easy and long enough to cool the
brakes
down after the final, extra heavy lap on the track. We then parked the
cars
after a cool down phase and the turbo-timer was up to about 38 seconds.
The air
was about 13°C or lower and good conditions to let the car cool down
and I
really though it is enough. But it really seems that the pads had time
to bond
to the rotors, more on the outside than on the inside (due to the
size of the
holes).
Conclusion : I wait for the investigation results
by Pagid and will post them
here. Also, do not only let the engine/turbos
cool down but give the brakes an
extra lap to cool them down.
BTW,
I've put the z-Mevius in and noticed that the pad area is about 5mm
smaller
to the outside of the disks. In my opinion, this is too small, even
smaller than
the stock pads ! The Pagids where about 1/2mm too large so they
"hung" a little
over the disks edge. The Mevius work good so
far.
Later,
Roger
- -----------------------
Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
K&N FIPK,Magnecor
wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi AFC,HKS SBOV,
ATR DP/testpipe,Borla
Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,
Bremsa
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Date:
Fri, 07 May 1999 18:37:59 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
Jim Berry responded to
>
----
> David Margrave"s
>
> >
> >I tend to
lean in favor of organizing a class action lawsuit which I think would be more
persuasive
> than >sending the CEO a "Dear Sir, ... signed, Concerned
Customer" letter. I was very close to
> inquiring with a >couple
law firms, but stopped to find out what progress the previous legal
saber
> rattling on the 3000gt.com >web board had went. Answer:
nowhere yet.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
with
the following
> We need to initiate more than one solution !! A class
action lawsuit, if feasible
> will take years to resolve. I for one will
need parts in the next 6 months. My
> second gear synchro is in its final
stages of life.
> Appearently Turboharry is working on something back east
but I don't have
> any solid information. I think their working on
developing a 6 speed parts
> supplier.
> As for our European
contingent I know there's a lot of racing fabrication going
> on in
Europe. Any chance of developing a supplier from that group.
> Other items
like bearings are probably easier, I doubt getrag manufactures
> its own
bearings. The bearings should be stamped with mfg. codes which
>
might allow us to track down a supplier. For example my Yamaha V-Max
>
needed a front fork bearing --- Yamaha wanted $55 --- I got the same
part
> from a bearing supplier for $18
>
>
All of these
ideas are good, and were I there instead of here, I believe I would
(shoulda coulda) have
the pertinent information of this thread (Paul?) stored
for posterity for the above reasons. A group
solution is possible and likely
with the brilliant fabricator, who will in all likelihood be someone
who
someone here knows, or who is their brother in law, boss, etc. However,
has anyone considered contacting
60 minutes, or Nader? Both are saber
rattlers, and love to wail on big organizations like this one;
organizations
who act impervious and are not about to stoop to the petty needs of their
customer
regardless of their clear liability. The squeaky wheel gets the
grease, and when it comes to David and
Goliath, the populace sees few
cheering for the giant.
Best
Darc (Canada)
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Date:
Fri, 07 May 1999 20:00:14 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RH drive shaft
now that the clutch is done, I can't get the darn
thing back in! any advice here?
"Barry E. King"
wrote:
> These things can be a PITA. They have a spring clip of
some sort. Prying
> by itself won't usually cut it. What you
need to try and do is get a big
> wedged pry bar in there and whack it
pretty hard with a bit of pressure on
> the pry bar to push the shaft
outwards. I have seen people with "the knack"
> do it with one
simple blow. The percussion seems to pop the snap ring and
> with
the ouutward pressure, off it comes. I was not able to pry mine
off.
> Popping it with a blow or two did it. The half shafts gave me
the most
> trouble. I doubt I could pull it off twice in a
row. On one side I simply
> pulled it off the knuckle since the
bnoot was already in need of
> replacement. Even though I had one
side off I simply could not get the
> other one to budge.
*shrug*
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Barry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> > I'm doing
a clutch replacement and can't get the RH drive shaft out of
> > the
transmission. The shop manual calls for prying against the housing
>
> to remove the shaft rather than trying to pull it out, but I can't
get
> > it to budge more the the tiny amount of in/out play the shaft
has. It
> > seems like there's a clip holding it in, but nowhere
does it specify any
> > special steps to remove a clip. Has
anyone been through this before?
> >
> > Dave
> > '91
RT TT
>
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Date:
Sat, 8 May 1999 08:10:06 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Team3S: For
Sale - Blitz turbo timer
I have a Blitz Turbo Timer for sale. It
has never been used and is still in
the box. This is the basic
model. It counts down the time that you preset.
1/4 din size, gray
color.
I also have a VR-4/TT specific wiring harness to make installation a
breeze.
I'll let it go for $50 w/o harness, or $70 with
harness.
Oskar
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