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Date:
Tue, 4 May 1999 22:49:18 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure issue
Just
flushed it last Saturday. If anything, the pressure seems to
have
dropped. I'm having a tough time finding Mobil 1 here. Seems
most places
don't stock it, and those that say they do never have it on the
shelf, or
much space to put it.
Michael
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>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of
> wce@bc.sympatico.ca
> Sent: Tuesday,
May 04, 1999 7:43 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure
issue
>
>
> Team;
>
> The low pressure "may"
be eleviated with a flush to clean
> out the ole system. My guess
is
> it needs the gunk and cooked oil cleaned out from high temps
>
......then go with Mobil 1
> 10-30. Back in my muscle car youth (another
ole poop- -who
> here isn't) I swore by
> Castrol, but I am a
firm advocate of Mobil 1 now and will
> stay so, unless
something
> better comes along. Life is not static.
>
>
Best
>
> Darc
>
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Date:
Tue, 04 May 1999 22:10:43 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure issue
So what
does everyone use to "flush" their system with. Many different things out
there to do it with.
- --
On Tue, 4 May 1999
22:49:18 Michael Dorsey wrote:
>Just flushed it last
Saturday. If anything, the pressure seems to have
>dropped.
I'm having a tough time finding Mobil 1 here. Seems most
places
>don't stock it, and those that say they do never have it on the
shelf, or
>much space to put
it.
>
>Michael
>
>> -----Original
Message-----
>> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of
>> wce@bc.sympatico.ca
>> Sent:
Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:43 PM
>> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure
issue
>>
>>
>> Team;
>>
>> The low
pressure "may" be eleviated with a flush to clean
>> out the ole
system. My guess is
>> it needs the gunk and cooked oil cleaned out
from high temps
>> ......then go with Mobil 1
>> 10-30. Back
in my muscle car youth (another ole poop- -who
>> here isn't) I
swore by
>> Castrol, but I am a firm advocate of Mobil 1 now and
will
>> stay so, unless something
>> better comes along.
Life is not static.
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
Darc
>>
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Date:
Wed, 05 May 1999 08:56:47 -0700
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeff.schwartz@citicorp.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Gas mileage Question
Same here. I drive about 21 miles
each way to work and drive fairly
moderate with a few 100MPH things now and
then. I usually stay in
sixth gear unless I need the power. I've
been averaging 19.5 MPG.
Took a trip to Pennsylvania doing around 80MPH and
got 22MPG (also
all time high). I can't see how it's possible to get
32MPG!
- --
Jeff Schwartz
1995 Panama Green Pearl VR4
Borla,
K&N FIPK, Magnecors
Chris Winkley wrote:
>
>
Andrew...
>
> I think either your speedo is wildly inaccurate, or
your calculations. I
> keep pretty careful track of my mileage. Before I
changed my turbos and
> injectors I consistently got between 12 and 14 mpg
in the city (with a fair
> amount of WOT). On the highway, with speeds of
up to 140+ mph, I get around
> 17 or 18 mpg. On a trip to the Bay area
this January, I actually used the
> cruise control at 85 mph in sixth gear
and checked my mileage after a half
> tank of gas. It was 22 mpg, an all
time high. I doubt that it's possible to
> get 32 mpg out of a VR4, under
any speed, on flat terrain.
>
> Check for loose mechanical
connections, and/or check your math.
>
> BTW...could you give me
the complete size of the tires (275/xx-18 or
> 275/xx-17) on your VR4?
What brand? Any clearance problems?
>
> Looking
forward...Chris
>
> 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/blown turbo
seal mod)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew
Brilliant [mailto:andrewb@infowest.com]
>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:36 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Team3S: Gas mileage Question
>
> Some weird things my VR-4
does I wonder if anyone elses does
>
> Prime gas mileage speed
seems to be aroun 92 mph
>
> I got 32 mpg going from St. George, to
Salt Lake city, at 92 mph cruise
> control
>
> Around the
city if I am on the gas I can burn a 1/4 of a tank just from
> going to to
work
> and back, and lunch prboably around 24 miles
>
> Is
this normal
>
> When going very fast. Full throttle
continuously. I can burn a 1/8 tank in
> 5 or 6
> miles
So at 160 mph I eat up fuel at 2 mpg? That is nuts anyone else
with
> this problem
> or si the Fuel gauge kind of inacurate
>
> Only mod I have is a bleeder valve, and cut up air box 275 mm tires
rear.
> 38psi Front
> and 32 Rear
>
> --
> Andrew
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 10:53:31 -0400
From: "Michael D. Romano" <mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Gas mileage Question
This is a result of an inaccurate
guage/sensor.
Think about it...if anything you would burn less gas as the
tank contents
decreased due to the weight decrease. Also, while parked on a
slant, the gas
warning light will turn on if the tank is low enough, then go
back off again
once moving on level ground. I've seen it blink when braking
hard with a low
tank too.
Cars don't get less fuel efficient with less
gas in their tank...they get
more fuel efficient.
BTW, I agree the cars
(or at least mine) feel the best at 70-90mph. :)
- -Mike
'93 Stealth
ES
> This is teh EXACT SAME BHAVIOR
>
> can't be
coincidence
(snip)
> > general drive from 75-to-85 mph
average and sometimes the
> first quarter tank
> > lasts
for 150 miles and sometimes it lasts only 70 to 80 miles.
> usually
the
> > last 3 quarter tank increments go down each step
too. 1st 150 miles
> > 2cnd 80miles
3rd 60miles and then about 45 miles.
> > I have also
noticed my car runs best at 90 to 100 miles per
> hour. It runs
>
> smoothest, reacts and turns the best. And seems to get better
>
gas mileage??
> > maybee it just seems that way. I think
the guage is
> inacurate......my car
> > has been close to
empty before and the light would go on and go off
> >
constantly.
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 08:01:06 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Apologies...
Howdy folks...
It's been brought to my
attention that my question about race gas prices was
off topic and
non-technical in nature. I agree. I should've requested that
replies be sent
to me privately.
Sorry about that.
If anyone else has data for
me, please send it privately to
"cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com".
Let's keep our list clean and noise
free!!!
Thanks.
Looking forward...Chris
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 12:10:19 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure issue
Pep
boys had gunk or STP. Gunk required a cold engine, where STP
didn't.
Being the impatient person I am, I opted for STP. It said to
let it run for
5-20 minutes at 1500 RPM. I ran it for 7 minutes at
1500, and 10 minutes at
1000. Can't say I've noticed much of a
difference, but I've run synthetic
oil for the last 10k, and the car only has
28k total, so it probably wasn't
too bad to start off
with.
Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Terry Swift
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 1:11 AM
> To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure
issue
>
>
> So what does everyone use to "flush" their system
with. Many
> different things out there to do it with.
>
--
>
> On Tue, 4 May 1999 22:49:18 Michael Dorsey
wrote:
> >Just flushed it last Saturday. If anything, the
pressure
> seems to have
> >dropped. I'm having a tough
time finding Mobil 1 here.
> Seems most places
> >don't stock it,
and those that say they do never have it on
> the shelf, or
>
>much space to put it.
> >
> >Michael
> >
>
>> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
>> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of
> >> wce@bc.sympatico.ca
> >> Sent:
Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:43 PM
> >> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
>> Subject: Re: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure issue
>
>>
> >>
> >> Team;
> >>
>
>> The low pressure "may" be eleviated with a flush to clean
>
>> out the ole system. My guess is
> >> it needs the gunk and
cooked oil cleaned out from high temps
> >> ......then go with Mobil
1
> >> 10-30. Back in my muscle car youth (another ole poop-
-who
> >> here isn't) I swore by
> >> Castrol, but
I am a firm advocate of Mobil 1 now and will
> >> stay so,
unless something
> >> better comes along. Life is not
static.
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >>
Darc
> >>
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Date:
Wed, 05 May 1999 09:50:37 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure
issue
Hrmm...well that rules out dirt/baked oil/clogging as a
cause. The gauge or sending
unit may not be functioning properly as posted
earlier, or less likely, an oil pump
problem. The gauges in our cars could be
better quality that's for certain, particularly
given the sticker price of
the vehicles. The ticking/lifter noise is another issue; a
given with
these vehicles at some point or another it seems. Did the flush help
with
this, or have you experienced it? Whether or not this noise is
indicative of valve
train replacement or not, I'll leave to the rebuild
experts in the group to kick around.
Best
Darc
Michael
Dorsey wrote:
> Pep boys had gunk or STP. Gunk required a cold
engine, where STP didn't.
> Being the impatient person I am, I opted for
STP. It said to let it run for
> 5-20 minutes at 1500 RPM. I
ran it for 7 minutes at 1500, and 10 minutes at
> 1000. Can't say
I've noticed much of a difference, but I've run synthetic
> oil for the
last 10k, and the car only has 28k total, so it probably wasn't
> too bad
to start off with.
>
> Michael
>
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 12:31:20 -0500
From: "Brad Younkman" <stealth@digitalexp.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
CEnder (Chris Chiasson) <cender@email.msn.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent:
Monday, May 03, 1999 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info
**
> maybe this guy could build us a better tranny that fit stock
specs, but
that
> wouldn't break as much --- special metals....
titanium/carbon fiber... etc
>
Are these parts everyone is talking
about something i could have a relative
(my brothers father-in-law) that owns
a machine shop make using a specific
metal or something stronger than what is
used now? If somebody could e-mail
me privately or something and explain what
these parts look like and what
type of metal you recommend, I'll call and ask
if this is possible with a
reasonable price.
Brad #078
91 Dodge
Stealth RT TT
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 13:50:07 -0400
From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
I have been following this thread for a
while and I can not help be a
little scared that my tranny will fly apart
anytime soon. I think with
this many people on the list we could band
together and make our own parts.
I work in an aluminum foundry with a
pretty good machine shop doing all
the CNC programming and
engineering. If we could get a group of people
together, define the
problems with the tranny's and then get the parts made
we could possibly
solve the problems. The syncro's seem to be the main
problem, and from
what I have seen most syncro's (sp?) are made of
brass/bronze/some powdered
metal. If anyone has the background or the
drive to work on a project
like this speak up and let's do it.
Kevin Schappell
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Younkman [SMTP:stealth@digitalexp.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, May 05, 1999 1:31 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
Are these parts everyone is talking
about something i could have a
relative
(my brothers father-in-law) that
owns a machine shop make using a specific
metal or something stronger than
what is used now? If somebody could e-mail
me privately or something and
explain what these parts look like and what
type of metal you recommend, I'll
call and ask if this is possible with a
reasonable price.
Brad
#078
91 Dodge Stealth RT TT
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 14:40:12 -0700
From: "Dave Allison" <dallison@siebel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: UPRD classifieds
Remember that 550HP VR-4 I saw at UPRD in
Huntington Beach? Well, guess
what?... it's for sale!
I'm shocked they
didn't include all the mods performed on this vehicle. It's
a lot of custom
work. I was able to go for a spin in the thing. It keeps
pulling even in 4th
gear!
http://www.uprd.com/Classfieds/classfieds.html
Seeya!
Dave
Allison
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Date:
Wed, 05 May 1999 16:06:45 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
Kevin;
The brains are certainly gathered
here and the talent...it's just a little different to
do on-line brain
storming with the time lags involved, other topics interspersed,
lack
of being a physical room to examine material, etc. It makes it
difficult...but not
impossible.
Jack certainly is knowledgeable about
the synchros, as he manged a "one time only" order
of some, and perhaps could
input if someone really grabs the bull by the horns and
organizes a "real"
brainstorming situation. Paul was doing some serious investigative
work on
this not long ago and maybe can post the results again and aftermarket
sources
he found...I believe there were 2 different outlets for splines. One,
which Jack posted,
was reported to have superhardened metal, so might be the
better of the two. Again, if
we have all of the information, material, and
people in one room, a solution/new
fabrication would not likely be that hard
to achieve.This topic may be a good thing to
have a gathering for, instead of
meeing to polish cars and shake hands. How about making
(at least) one topic
like this the theme of each gathering from this point on. That way,
maybe
some serious solutions will arise to: brakes, getrag, valve train, etc, etc.
With
the likes of Barry, Jack, Brad, Todd, Rich, Bob, Ken...the list is
endless...in one
gathering with a sharp focus (with a warehouse like
Forrest's old place, endless
beer)...and there ain't nothing I don't think we
cann't do or solve. Treat it as a
classroom: bring pictures, hardware, and
examples of the problem/parts to be improved
upon. We have the brains and all
the willing help of the next generation who are herein
offering services.
Next thing...time and place appropriate for all (holiday city). Who'd
want to
miss it.
Darc
Kevin Schappell wrote:
> I have been
following this thread for a while and I can not help be a
> little scared
that my tranny will fly apart anytime soon. I think with
> this many
people on the list we could band together and make our own parts.
>
I work in an aluminum foundry with a pretty good machine shop doing all
>
the CNC programming and engineering. If we could get a group of
people
> together, define the problems with the tranny's and then get the
parts made
> we could possibly solve the problems. The syncro's seem
to be the main
> problem, and from what I have seen most syncro's (sp?)
are made of
> brass/bronze/some powdered metal. If anyone has the
background or the
> drive to work on a project like this speak up and
let's do it.
>
> Kevin Schappell
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 19:06:34 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info ** Auto Tranmission?
Anyone find anything out
about the Automatic transmission in some vr-4s and
TTs?
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca [mailto:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
Sent:
Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:07 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
Kevin;
The brains are certainly
gathered here and the talent...it's
just a little different to
do on-line
brain storming with the time lags involved, other
topics interspersed,
lack
of being a physical room to examine material, etc. It makes
it
difficult...but not
impossible.
Jack certainly is knowledgeable about
the synchros, as he
manged a "one time only" order
of some, and perhaps
could input if someone really grabs the
bull by the horns and
organizes a
"real" brainstorming situation. Paul was doing
some serious
investigative
work on this not long ago and maybe can post the
results
again and aftermarket sources
he found...I believe there were 2
different outlets for
splines. One, which Jack posted,
was reported to
have superhardened metal, so might be the
better of the two. Again, if
we
have all of the information, material, and people in one
room, a
solution/new
fabrication would not likely be that hard to
achieve.This
topic may be a good thing to
have a gathering for, instead of
meeing to polish cars and
shake hands. How about making
(at least) one
topic like this the theme of each gathering
from this point on. That
way,
maybe some serious solutions will arise to: brakes, getrag,
valve
train, etc, etc. With
the likes of Barry, Jack, Brad, Todd, Rich, Bob,
Ken...the
list is endless...in one
gathering with a sharp focus (with a
warehouse like
Forrest's old place, endless
beer)...and there ain't
nothing I don't think we cann't do
or solve. Treat it as a
classroom:
bring pictures, hardware, and examples of the
problem/parts to be
improved
upon. We have the brains and all the willing help of the
next
generation who are herein
offering services. Next thing...time and place
appropriate
for all (holiday city). Who'd
want to miss
it.
Darc
Kevin Schappell wrote:
> I have been following
this thread for a while and I can
not help be a
> little scared that my
tranny will fly apart anytime soon.
I think with
> this many people on
the list we could band together and
make our own parts.
> I work
in an aluminum foundry with a pretty good machine
shop doing all
> the
CNC programming and engineering. If we could get a
group of
people
> together, define the problems with the tranny's and then
get
the parts made
> we could possibly solve the problems. The syncro's
seem
to be the main
> problem, and from what I have seen most syncro's
(sp?) are
made of
> brass/bronze/some powdered metal. If anyone
has the
background or the
> drive to work on a project like this speak
up and let's do
it.
>
> Kevin Schappell
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Date:
Wed, 05 May 1999 16:21:34 PDT
From: "Michael Reiss" <michael_reiss@hotmail.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: ** Getrag Info ** Auto Tranmission?
As much of a POS the
manual is to many owners...I'd rather have 3 gears I
could control rather
than an automatic.
Sorry...my old school mentality...sports cars=manual
tranny
>
>Anyone find anything out about the Automatic
transmission in some vr-4s and
>TTs? Thanks
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca [mailto:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
> Sent:
Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:07 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
>
> Kevin;
>
>
The brains are certainly gathered here and the talent...it's
>just a
little different to
> do on-line brain storming with the time lags
involved, other
>topics interspersed, lack
> of being a
physical room to examine material, etc. It makes
>it difficult...but
not
> impossible.
>
> Jack certainly is knowledgeable about
the synchros, as he
>manged a "one time only" order
> of some, and
perhaps could input if someone really grabs the
>bull by the horns
and
> organizes a "real" brainstorming situation. Paul was
doing
>some serious investigative
> work on this not long ago and
maybe can post the results
>again and aftermarket sources
> he
found...I believe there were 2 different outlets for
>splines. One, which
Jack posted,
> was reported to have superhardened metal, so might be
the
>better of the two. Again, if
> we have all of the information,
material, and people in one
>room, a solution/new
> fabrication
would not likely be that hard to achieve.This
>topic may be a good thing
to
> have a gathering for, instead of meeing to polish cars
and
>shake hands. How about making
> (at least) one topic like this
the theme of each gathering
>from this point on. That way,
> maybe
some serious solutions will arise to: brakes, getrag,
>valve train, etc,
etc. With
> the likes of Barry, Jack, Brad, Todd, Rich, Bob,
Ken...the
>list is endless...in one
> gathering with a sharp focus
(with a warehouse like
>Forrest's old place, endless
> beer)...and
there ain't nothing I don't think we cann't do
>or solve. Treat it as
a
> classroom: bring pictures, hardware, and examples of
the
>problem/parts to be improved
> upon. We have the brains and all
the willing help of the
>next generation who are herein
> offering
services. Next thing...time and place appropriate
>for all (holiday city).
Who'd
> want to miss it.
>
> Darc
>
> Kevin
Schappell wrote:
>
> > I have been following this thread for a
while and I can
>not help be a
> > little scared that my tranny
will fly apart anytime soon.
>I think with
> > this many people
on the list we could band together and
>make our own parts.
>
> I work in an aluminum foundry with a pretty good machine
>shop
doing all
> > the CNC programming and engineering. If we could
get a
>group of people
> > together, define the problems with the
tranny's and then
>get the parts made
> > we could possibly solve
the problems. The syncro's seem
>to be the main
> >
problem, and from what I have seen most syncro's (sp?) are
>made
of
> > brass/bronze/some powdered metal. If anyone has
the
>background or the
> > drive to work on a project like this
speak up and let's do
>it.
> >
> > Kevin
Schappell
>
>
>
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 19:37:11 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info ** Auto Tranmission?
Yeah but Automatic can
produce consistent times, that's why racers use them
and Nitrous works better
with them!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Reiss [mailto:michael_reiss@hotmail.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:22 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
RE: Team3S: ** Getrag Info ** Auto
Tranmission?
As much of a POS
the manual is to many owners...I'd rather
have 3 gears I
could control
rather than an automatic.
Sorry...my old school mentality...sports
cars=manual tranny
>
>Anyone find anything out about the
Automatic transmission
in some vr-4s and
>TTs? Thanks
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
[mailto:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
> Sent:
Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:07 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info
**
>
> Kevin;
>
>
The brains are certainly gathered here and
the talent...it's
>just a
little different to
> do on-line brain storming with the time
lags
involved, other
>topics interspersed, lack
> of being
a physical room to examine
material, etc. It makes
>it difficult...but
not
> impossible.
>
> Jack certainly is knowledgeable about
the
synchros, as he
>manged a "one time only" order
> of some,
and perhaps could input if someone
really grabs the
>bull by the horns
and
> organizes a "real" brainstorming situation.
Paul was
doing
>some serious investigative
> work on this not long ago and
maybe can post
the results
>again and aftermarket sources
> he
found...I believe there were 2 different
outlets for
>splines. One,
which Jack posted,
> was reported to have superhardened metal, so
might
be the
>better of the two. Again, if
> we have all of the
information, material,
and people in one
>room, a solution/new
>
fabrication would not likely be that hard to
achieve.This
>topic may be
a good thing to
> have a gathering for, instead of meeing to
polish
cars and
>shake hands. How about making
> (at least) one topic like
this the theme of
each gathering
>from this point on. That way,
>
maybe some serious solutions will arise to:
brakes, getrag,
>valve
train, etc, etc. With
> the likes of Barry, Jack, Brad, Todd,
Rich,
Bob, Ken...the
>list is endless...in one
> gathering with a
sharp focus (with a
warehouse like
>Forrest's old place,
endless
> beer)...and there ain't nothing I don't
think we cann't
do
>or solve. Treat it as a
> classroom: bring pictures, hardware,
and
examples of the
>problem/parts to be improved
> upon. We have
the brains and all the willing
help of the
>next generation who are
herein
> offering services. Next thing...time and
place
appropriate
>for all (holiday city). Who'd
> want to miss
it.
>
> Darc
>
> Kevin Schappell wrote:
>
>
> I have been following this thread for a
while and I can
>not help
be a
> > little scared that my tranny will fly
apart anytime
soon.
>I think with
> > this many people on the list we could
band
together and
>make our own parts.
> > I work in an
aluminum foundry with a
pretty good machine
>shop doing all
>
> the CNC programming and engineering. If
we could get
a
>group of people
> > together, define the problems with
the
tranny's and then
>get the parts made
> > we could
possibly solve the problems. The
syncro's seem
>to be the
main
> > problem, and from what I have seen most
syncro's (sp?)
are
>made of
> > brass/bronze/some powdered metal.
If
anyone has the
>background or the
> > drive to work on a
project like this speak
up and let's do
>it.
> >
> >
Kevin Schappell
>
>
>
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 20:03:29 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: **
Getrag Info **
In a message dated 99-05-05 13:56:37 EDT, you
write:
<< I have been following this thread for a while and I can
not help be a
little scared that my tranny will fly apart anytime
soon.
snip
The syncro's seem to be the main
problem, and from what I have seen most syncro's (sp?) are made of
brass/bronze/some powdered metal. If anyone has the background
or the
drive to work on a project like this speak up and let's do
it.
>>
I talked to a California company called BRE
engines awhile back about
rebuilding trannys w/ bad synchros. They are a
drag racing products company
that races everything from rail cars to street
cars. Their cars hold several
national records (I think they sponsor a
Civic, for example). They do a
rebuild UPGRADE for Talon/Eclipse/Laser
transaxles that improves shifting
performance. An independent source
confirmed that the upgrade is for real
after a test drive.
I called
and talked to them about the difficulty in finding synchros for the
3000GT/Stealth and was told they have the capability for manufacturing
synchros out of solid brass if need be. I suggested that BRE might offer
synchros if they got a chance to work on a tranny and take some
measurements.
The guy I talked to seemed interested in the idea.
To
get this ball rolling all we need to do is have someone take the plunge
and
send in their bad tranny to BRE for a rebuild. I did, however, forget to
get
a price for a rebuild (duuuuhhhh). First thing we need to do is contact
BRE
and get an estimate on the rebuild cost and the price for individual and
partial/full sets of synchros.
If the rebuild cost turns out to be
really high, I suggest we hold a lottery
to help with the cost:
"ONE
LUCKY WINNER WILL GET $XXXXX TOWARDS A TRANNY REBUILD BY FAMED RACING
COMPANY BRE ENGINES!!!!"
My tranny is virtually brand new and I shift
gennnntlyyyy so I doubt I'll
ever need new synchros - but It p***** me off
the way Mitsu/Getrag won't
supply parts so I'd be willing to pledge some $$$
towards a lottery fund just
to see a source for good (improved??!!) synchros
developed.
Whaddayaguysthink?
Paul Klusman
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 20:11:03 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Valve noise question
In a message dated 99-05-05 00:03:32 EDT, you
write:
<< What kind of noise?? Is it a slight clicking or does it
sound like
someone is lightly tapping the side of the top end with a
hammer? Does
the noise ever go away?? Are you sure the noise is coming
from the valve
area and not the underside of the engine??
>>
Clicking and light tapping at times. Only barely audible from
inside the car
at a stop (radio and even a/c-heater fan on low masks it
easily) Sounds like
multiple valves. Goes away at higher revs. Sounds like
it is coming from the
front bank of valves. Sounds very much like your
description. At least the
valves go bad in a consistent
manner...
Paul Klusman
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Date:
Wed, 05 May 1999 17:12:31 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
Klusmanp@aol.com wrote:
>
.
>
> Whaddayaguysthink?
>
I like the idea Paul.. a
good start is to get a price, and hey, mine or anyone's tranny
can go
from what I've heard, even with the finest/gentlest touch at the wheel. So
after
a price all we need is a uncorruptable to run the
lottery.
Darc
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Date:
Wed, 05 May 1999 17:22:18 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
Maybe if the "Originators" of both this list,
3si, and the 3000GT List got together and went before Mitsu (USA - Pierre
Gagnon, CEO and Japan if necessary) to explain the problem from their overall
perspective, then maybe we could get some action. As individuals, our wonderful
Mitsu Corp folks, couldn't care less, as long as we keep opening our wallets to
them. Mitsu is in a world of hurt financially, along with Nissan, so maybe
they would listen to a dollars and cents approach. Of course nobody wants
to keep shelling out money to rebuild a tranny, but if parts are more readily
available, I think people would be willing to stay with the brand - but as long
as they keep the upper hand and make us buy a whole unit - probably thinking
greater dollars and cents on this one - the 3si community will continue to
shrink. I've got a car that's really worth about $12,500 on the market,
but with grinding synchros, my value drops a couple of grand. Law of
Economics says to ditch it wh!
ile I can get what I can or continue to loose
money hand over fist due to continued problems.
- --
On Wed, 05 May
1999 16:06:45 wce wrote:
>Kevin;
>
>The brains are
certainly gathered here and the talent...it's just a little different
to
>do on-line brain storming with the time lags involved, other topics
interspersed, lack
>of being a physical room to examine material,
etc. It makes it difficult...but not
>impossible.
>
>Jack
certainly is knowledgeable about the synchros, as he manged a "one time only"
order
>of some, and perhaps could input if someone really grabs the bull
by the horns and
>organizes a "real" brainstorming situation. Paul was
doing some serious investigative
>work on this not long ago and maybe can
post the results again and aftermarket sources
>he found...I believe there
were 2 different outlets for splines. One, which Jack posted,
>was
reported to have superhardened metal, so might be the better of the two. Again,
if
>we have all of the information, material, and people in one room, a
solution/new
>fabrication would not likely be that hard to achieve.This
topic may be a good thing to
>have a gathering for, instead of meeing to
polish cars and shake hands. How about making
>(at least) one topic like
this the theme of each gathering from this point on. That way,
>maybe some
serious solutions will arise to: brakes, getrag, valve train, etc, etc.
With
>the likes of Barry, Jack, Brad, Todd, Rich, Bob, Ken...the list is
endless...in one
>gathering with a sharp focus (with a warehouse like
Forrest's old place, endless
>beer)...and there ain't nothing I don't
think we cann't do or solve. Treat it as a
>classroom: bring pictures,
hardware, and examples of the problem/parts to be improved
>upon. We have
the brains and all the willing help of the next generation who are
herein
>offering services. Next thing...time and place appropriate for all
(holiday city). Who'd
>want to miss
it.
>
>Darc
>
>Kevin Schappell
wrote:
>
>> I have been following this thread for a while and I
can not help be a
>> little scared that my tranny will fly apart
anytime soon. I think with
>> this many people on the list we
could band together and make our own parts.
>> I work in an
aluminum foundry with a pretty good machine shop doing all
>> the CNC
programming and engineering. If we could get a group of people
>>
together, define the problems with the tranny's and then get the parts
made
>> we could possibly solve the problems. The syncro's seem
to be the main
>> problem, and from what I have seen most syncro's
(sp?) are made of
>> brass/bronze/some powdered metal. If anyone
has the background or the
>> drive to work on a project like this speak
up and let's do it.
>>
>> Kevin
Schappell
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 20:43:29 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: **
Getrag Info ** Auto Tranmission?
Every TT stealth or Vr-4 I have ever
driven with an auto transmission always
had very slow response time
switching gears.. The tranny would build up the
miles and hesitate
between gears.... almost like it is having to GUESS too
much..... not
smooth or quick enough for me....just my opinion.
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 17:44:44 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
** Getrag Info **
band together and make our own parts.
>
I work in an aluminum foundry with a pretty good machine shop doing all
>the CNC programming and engineering>we could possibly solve the
problems.
The syncro's seem tobe th emain problem what I
have seen most syncro's (sp?)
are made of brass/bronze/some powdered
metal. If anyone has the background
or the drive to work on a
project like this speak up and let's do it.
I tried several times
about a month ago to get some used syncros to take to
a restoration machine
shop in southern Ca. [ they make restoration parts for
Ferrari - lambo etc.
]. I would like a used set to take in to see if it's feasible and
to get a
rough idea of cost. A new set would be needed at some time but at least
some
positive action would be made.
Help me out here
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 20:53:14 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag
Info ** Auto Tranmission?
I've searched many a used car list to try &
locate an Automatic VR-4 or TT.
Never found even one? If it existed, can this
tranny be bought from a dealer?
Arty 91 VR-4
In a message dated
5/5/99 8:45:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MitsuVR41@aol.com
writes:
<< ubj: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info ** Auto
Tranmission?
Date: 5/5/99 8:45:18 PM Eastern Daylight
Time
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
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stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
To:
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Every
TT stealth or Vr-4 I have ever driven with an auto transmission always
had very slow response time switching gears.. The tranny
would build up
the
miles and hesitate between gears.... almost
like it is having to GUESS too
much..... not smooth or quick
enough for me....just my opinion.
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 21:25:15 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: More
Turbo problems
When I drive 80 mph in fifth gear.............and try to
lightly
accelerate.....my boost gauge gets to 0 and I hear and feel a
pop up front
and my car will not accelerate. I have to be in 3rd
gear to drive at 80mph
without tearing my turbos up.....this is
crazy......
Cruise control is totally out of the question as
well. If I put it in 5th
and try to even cruise at 90mph
when I reach a hill the boost tries to
build and I hear the
popping again.
When I try to accelerate from a stop......the car gets good
boost until the
needle gets to
about 7 psi ?((which takes
all of not even one second of course)) on the
stock guage and
then the turbos start cutting out and I lose horsepower
and the car stops accelerating......and my exhaust gets reall choppy
basically....any accleleration in my car has to be done
with the RPM's
above 4000!!!! or not done at all!!!!
any
ideas????????????
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Date:
Wed, 5 May 1999 23:33:13 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
I think this would be the best route.
If anyone has an old tranny laying
around take it apart and send a syncro to
me or someone else to measure.
Then a drawing can be made and requests for
quotes can be sent out. The
nice thing about the list being national,
we can get the best price.
Machining costs vary greatly depending on
location. Maybe the guy who is
offering the rebuilt transmissions can
give us an old one or even measure a
new one. I think it would be in
his best interest to help us as he may have
a cheap source of parts down the
road. (maybe even a stronger one) Once we
have the cheapest quote we
can get an initial small batch and have them
tested. (read-we need guinea
pigs) As for money, here is my idea. Who ever
would like to contribute
can chip in for the first batch of parts. Then we
will distribute the
parts first to the ones who paid up front and then sell
the remaining ones to
repay the investors. Now I don't know how we keep
this honest but I am
sure we can work some kind of open accounting system
online so everyone can
be assured of a fair deal. I don't know how to
address liability.
Today with the state of this country and lawyers it
could be a tricky
issue. Any ideas?
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From: Jim Berry <fastmax@home.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, May 05, 1999 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info
**
>band together and make our own parts.
>I tried
several times about a month ago to get some used syncros to take to
>a
restoration machine shop in southern Ca. [ they make restoration
parts
for
>Ferrari - lambo etc. ]. I would like a used set to take in
to see if it's
feasible and
>to get a rough idea of cost. A new set
would be needed at some time but at
least
>some positive action would
be made.
>
> Help me out here ----- Jim
Berry
>
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Date:
Wed, 05 May 1999 23:42:12 -0400
From: Bill Wagner <wagner@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info ** Auto Tranmission?
Aso8@aol.com wrote:
>
> I've
searched many a used car list to try & locate an Automatic VR-4 or
TT.
> Never found even one? If it existed, can this tranny be bought from
a dealer?
I believe, that when the Stealth/3000GT first came out, they
had an auto
tranny available, but ONLY for a VERY short while. I would
suspect that
the product may have been limited to Japan. I don't believe it
was ever
officially advertised as being available. I wouldn't bet that it can
be
bought from the dealer.
Good Luck,
Bill Wagner
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Date:
Thu, 06 May 1999 00:27:45 -0400
From: Bill Wagner <wagner@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
Perhaps someone who bought some parts from the
original Jack Tartadian
order hasn't installed them yet. It would be best to
use UNUSED items as
a model since you don't want someone creating duplicates
of worn parts.
Additionally, why limit it to just synchros...how about a full
kit
including seals. Also keep in mind that parts will be needed to
produce
parts for both 5 and 6 speed transaxles.Possibly, we could by a pair
of
new (or rebuilt) Getrag 5 and 6 speed units. That SOUNDS like a lot
of
money, but between the members on this list and those on the web
site,
isn't it possible we could find at least a hundred people to combine
to
buy a pair of units for disassembly?? I know I'd be MORE than willing
to
fork over $60.00 - $100.00 for this "research" effort!! Perhaps we
could
even find someone willing to part with a busted Getrag so the
weaknesses
could be properly analyzed. About the only thing I'd be worried
about is
that the materials being used are strong enough to do the
job.
As far as liability goes...it's probably Mitsubishi and Chryslers
risk,
after all, this is being caused by their policy.
Just my
opinions,
Bill Wagner
Kevin Schappell wrote:
>
> I think this
would be the best route. If anyone has an old tranny laying
> around
take it apart and send a syncro to me or someone else to measure.
> Then a
drawing can be made and requests for quotes can be sent out. The
>
nice thing about the list being national, we can get the best price.
>
Machining costs vary greatly depending on location. Maybe the guy who
is
> offering the rebuilt transmissions can give us an old one or even
measure a
> new one. I think it would be in his best interest to
help us as he may have
> a cheap source of parts down the road. (maybe
even a stronger one) Once we
> have the cheapest quote we can get an
initial small batch and have them
> tested. (read-we need guinea pigs) As
for money, here is my idea. Who ever
> would like to contribute can
chip in for the first batch of parts. Then we
> will distribute the
parts first to the ones who paid up front and then sell
> the remaining
ones to repay the investors. Now I don't know how we keep
> this
honest but I am sure we can work some kind of open accounting system
>
online so everyone can be assured of a fair deal. I don't know how
to
> address liability. Today with the state of this country and
lawyers it
> could be a tricky issue. Any ideas?
>
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Date:
Wed, 05 May 1999 22:57:55 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
I tend to lean in favor of organizing a class
action lawsuit which I think would be more persuasive than sending the CEO a
"Dear Sir, ... signed, Concerned Customer" letter. I was very close to
inquiring with a couple law firms, but stopped to find out what progress the
previous legal saber rattling on the 3000gt.com web board had went.
Answer: nowhere yet.
My transmission is on the floor while I do the
clutch, waiting for a replacement of a defective NEW release bearing which
luckily I noticed before installing #@!$! Anyway since its out of the car
I noticed the wear on the rear output shaft spline, which is starting to show
obvious and I'd say abnormal wear ridge patterns after only 35,000 miles on the
car. Mine isn't gone yet, but I'd say the consistency of this one problem
(shaft splines) demonstrates a design definciency in the transmission. The
synchros is an additional problem. As I understand it, we'd have to
prove that Mitsu knew about the problems and design deficiencies in the
transmission and did nothing to correct it. So those of you who, to your
credit, have complained in writing and gotten the boilerplate "not our problem.
pbbbbt!" letter back, keep that stuff around for possible future
reference.
email me privately so as not to crowd the list if you're
pissed and you think you'd like to "join the class" if we go forward with
this.
Dave
Terry Swift wrote:
> Maybe if the
"Originators" of both this list, 3si, and the 3000GT List got together and went
before Mitsu (USA - Pierre Gagnon, CEO and Japan if necessary) to explain the
problem from their overall perspective, then maybe we could get some action. As
individuals, our wonderful Mitsu Corp folks, couldn't care less, as long as we
keep opening our wallets to them. Mitsu is in a world of hurt financially,
along with Nissan, so maybe they would listen to a dollars and cents
approach. Of course nobody wants to keep shelling out money to rebuild a
tranny, but if parts are more readily available, I think people would be willing
to stay with the brand - but as long as they keep the upper hand and make us buy
a whole unit - probably thinking greater dollars and cents on this one - the 3si
community will continue to shrink. I've got a car that's really worth
about $12,500 on the market, but with grinding synchros, my value drops a couple
of grand. Law of Economics says to ditch it !
wh!
> ile I can get
what I can or continue to loose money hand over fist due to continued
problems.
> --
>
> On Wed, 05 May 1999 16:06:45
wce wrote:
> >Kevin;
> >
> >The brains are certainly
gathered here and the talent...it's just a little different to
> >do
on-line brain storming with the time lags involved, other topics
interspersed, lack
> >of being a physical room to examine
material, etc. It makes it difficult...but not
> >impossible.
>
>
> >Jack certainly is knowledgeable about the synchros, as he
manged a "one time only" order
> >of some, and perhaps could input if
someone really grabs the bull by the horns and
> >organizes a "real"
brainstorming situation. Paul was doing some serious investigative
>
>work on this not long ago and maybe can post the results again and
aftermarket sources
> >he found...I believe there were 2 different
outlets for splines. One, which Jack posted,
> >was reported to have
superhardened metal, so might be the better of the two. Again, if
> >we
have all of the information, material, and people in one room, a
solution/new
> >fabrication would not likely be that hard to
achieve.This topic may be a good thing to
> >have a gathering for,
instead of meeing to polish cars and shake hands. How about making
>
>(at least) one topic like this the theme of each gathering from this point
on. That way,
> >maybe some serious solutions will arise to: brakes,
getrag, valve train, etc, etc. With
> >the likes of Barry, Jack, Brad,
Todd, Rich, Bob, Ken...the list is endless...in one
> >gathering with a
sharp focus (with a warehouse like Forrest's old place, endless
>
>beer)...and there ain't nothing I don't think we cann't do or solve. Treat
it as a
> >classroom: bring pictures, hardware, and examples of the
problem/parts to be improved
> >upon. We have the brains and all the
willing help of the next generation who are herein
> >offering
services. Next thing...time and place appropriate for all (holiday city).
Who'd
> >want to miss it.
> >
> >Darc
>
>
> >Kevin Schappell wrote:
> >
> >> I have
been following this thread for a while and I can not help be a
> >>
little scared that my tranny will fly apart anytime soon. I think
with
> >> this many people on the list we could band together and
make our own parts.
> >> I work in an aluminum foundry with a
pretty good machine shop doing all
> >> the CNC programming and
engineering. If we could get a group of people
> >> together,
define the problems with the tranny's and then get the parts made
>
>> we could possibly solve the problems. The syncro's seem to be the
main
> >> problem, and from what I have seen most syncro's (sp?) are
made of
> >> brass/bronze/some powdered metal. If anyone has
the background or the
> >> drive to work on a project like this
speak up and let's do it.
> >>
> >> Kevin
Schappell
> >
> >
> >
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