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Team3S Digest           Tuesday, May 4 1999           Volume 01 : Number 170




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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:13:19 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dragstrip Outing

Mikael Åkesson wrote:

> >1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had them laying around :)
> >12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior except spare and jack.  Geez.
>
> It would be interesting to know how much the 720 injectors did. Do you have any idea about what dutycycle they where on during WOT? I guess that they where far away from maxing out.

Nope no idea.

> I would also like to know more about the GCC, is it an ignition controller or is it just an aoption to the VPC?

It is fuel adjustment in several rpm bands, like AFC.  Hooks up to VPC with one connector.

(oops some old messages have gone unanswered...)
Jack

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:45:26 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

I had spoken to MD Auto in my quest to find parts.  He had everything, but the synchros and WOULD NOT SELL THEM, if he had them.  For those of us who need just the synchros, I guess the SEARCH GOES ON - any more leads out there.

- --

On Mon, 3 May 1999 19:31:12    CEnder (Chris Chiasson) wrote:
>maybe this guy could build us a better tranny that fit stock specs, but that
>wouldn't break as much --- special metals.... titanium/carbon fiber... etc
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
>To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; The Browns <mabs@cts.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 5:57 PM
>Subject: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **
>
>
>> Sam_Wong@hyperdream.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all.
>> >
>> > I have the dreaded worn output shaft problem on my Stealth AWD
>transmission.
>> > My warranty company did not want to pay for a new transmission and
>transfer
>> > case.  Instead, they approved my mechanic to buy the parts from a San
>Diego
>> > shop called MD Auto.  Their address is 6460 85 Convoy Court, San Diego,
>> > California.  Phone number is (619)390-0450.  I was told that they fix
>> > Stealth/VR-4 Getrags all the time.
>> >
>> > After hearing all the problems with locating Getrag parts, is it
>possible
>> > that we just sent our money to a shop that doesn't have the correct
>parts?
>> > I'm quite skeptical that they would have it when no one else (except
>Kormex)
>> > would have it.
>> >
>> > If someone living in San Diego is interested in confirming that this
>shop
>> > fixes 3S Getrags all the time and has the right parts, or if someone
>knows
>> > anything about this shop, please let me know.
>>
>> I just got off the phone with Mike at MD Auto.  This is for real.  He
>> has been rebuilding Getrags for *** 4 *** years.  He said a lot of Mitsu
>> & Dodge dealers and aftermarket warranty companies know about him and
>> use him.
>>
>> Prices:
>> $2695 for rebuilt tranny & rebuilt transfer case, I didn't ask for
>> seperate prices
>>   $500 core charge
>> ~$200 round trip shipping to Atlantic coast
>>
>> He uses new parts.  Although he wouldn't devulge his sources, he did say
>> they use new bearings (I forgot the name but they're from France).  They
>> use new synchro's although they only replace the bad ones, they use
>> Mitsu seals, they also do the 18 or 25 spline shafts.  He said that you
>> cannot replace a small 18 spline shaft with the larger 25 spline shaft
>> since the hole in the case is a different size.  I forgot to ask if the
>> shafts they use are of better quality than the original.  I also didn't
>> ask if they just sell parts.
>>
>> Shipping takes two boxes because of weight.  He said tranny alone is
>> about 120 lbs.  They use UPS.  They put the tranny in a plastic bag, put
>> it in a box, then fill the box with foam.  You are supposed to send back
>> the cores in the same boxes.
>>
>> He is faxing me some literature as I write this.  Send me your questions
>> and I'll phone him again soon.
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> P.S.  Sam, it looks like your warranty company is instructing your
>> mechanic to buy the rebuilt parts and he will just do the removal &
>> re-installation.
>>
>> --
>> How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost!
>>
>> Ken Middaugh
>> General Atomics
>> San Diego
>> (619) 455-4510
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:32:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sam_Wong@hyperdream.com
Subject: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com> wrote:

>I just got off the phone with Mike at MD Auto.  This is for real.  He
>has been rebuilding Getrags for *** 4 *** years.  He said a lot of Mitsu
>& Dodge dealers and aftermarket warranty companies know about him and
>use him.

Hi Ken.

Wow.  They've been doing it for 4 years, yet no one from our group has known
about them?  I sure hope this is for real.


>since the hole in the case is a different size.  I forgot to ask if the
>shafts they use are of better quality than the original.  I also didn't
>ask if they just sell parts.

Well, I am interested in finding out whether or not those shafts are factory
parts or after-market.  If they're after-market, I too would like to know if
they are better quality than the factory.  Of course, the shop would claim
that they are.  But how can we really find out?  I really hate to be a guinea
pig.


>He is faxing me some literature as I write this.  Send me your questions
>and I'll phone him again soon.

I think it would help a lot of us if we could get a scan of the literature
onto the 3si website.


>P.S.  Sam, it looks like your warranty company is instructing your
>mechanic to buy the rebuilt parts and he will just do the removal &
>re-installation.

Actually, my mechanic told me that he only got approval to purchase the
shaft and sleeve, not for the entire transmission/transfer case.  At this
time, he hasn't opened up the transmission yet so we do not know if we'll
need new synchros as well.  He has already sent money to MD Auto for the
parts.

Thanks for looking into this Ken.  Let us know what else you find.

Sincerely,
Sam.

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:22:23 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: New Virus

Guys, this was fowarded to me. I have very little computer knowledge so I
hope this is worthwhile information and 4 real.
Arty 91 VR-4

PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR. IT IS REAL AND
>NOT A JOKE:
>
>If you receive an email titled "It Takes Guts to Say 'Jesus'  DO NOT
>OPEN IT.  It will erase everything on your hard drive. This
>information was announced yesterday morning from IBM; AOL states that
>this is a very dangerous virus, much worse than "Melissa", and that
>there is NO remedy for it at this time.
>
>Some very sick individual has succeeded in using the re-format
>function from Norton Utilities causing it to completely erase all
>documents on the hard drive. It has been designed to work with
>Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. It destroys
>MacIntosh and IBM compatible computers.
>
>This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about
>it. Pass this warning along to EVERYONE in your address book and
>please share it with all your online friends ASAP so that this threat
>may be stopped.
>
>Please practice cautionary measures and tell anyone that may have
>access to your computer.
>
>Forward this warning to everyone that might access the internet.
>
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:05:35 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Virus

Arty,

This a hoax that has resurfaced. I don't think this kind of thing is
allowed on the list even if it were real.  Here is a website to check
out these kinds of things on:

http://snopes.simplenet.com/spoons/spoons.htm#spoons

Regards,
Lynn
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:15:21 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Virus

Thanks for the update, Lynn; you are correct on both counts-- it IS
an old hoax, and

IT IS NOT ALLOWED (nor are corrections, either).   From the rules:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
05.  Urban Legend Stories and Virus Warnings. Do not post these to
the
list.  These are stories that have been floating around for years,
and
we're all sick of hearing about them.  If you have a Virus Warning
you
feel is legitimate, send it to the admin and ask for it to be
reviewed.
If the administrator feels a warning is appropriate, WE will issue
the
warning.  Anyone who posts a virus warning to the list will be
banned
permanently without warning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do not EVER send these (or comments about them) to the list!

Thanks,

Forrest
Admin, Team3S

- -----Original Message-----From: William Lynn Larsen
<wlarsen@ibm.net>

|Arty,
|
|This a hoax that has resurfaced. I don't think this kind of thing
is
|allowed on the list even if it were real.  Here is a website to
check
|out these kinds of things on:
|
|http://snopes.simplenet.com/spoons/spoons.htm#spoons







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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:03:20 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Virus

It's bunk, it has been another net rumor floating around.  Probably by someone trying to
Anti-Spam a religious organization.  I have run across this danged thing 3 times
already.  Just look at the wording, it was written in High School level english.  It
came from IBM?  IBM is announcing virus detection now?  It's much more dangerous than
Melissa, but you don't hear about it on the 6 O'clock news??? Yeah, It's pretty safe to
say this is bunk.  Not to mention that you would have to execute an application in order
to run the virus, not just open the email.  Opening an email is a passive operation, you
have to actively open something contained in the email.  Although some things could be
done with Java, or Active X.  I will say of 99% ashurity this is BS.  There is no such
thing as a virus that cannot be removed... NO SUCH THING.. there is no software problem
that FDISK cannot solve a little saying from tech school.


Aso8@aol.com wrote:

> Guys, this was fowarded to me. I have very little computer knowledge so I
> hope this is worthwhile information and 4 real.

- -snip-
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:21:41 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

>
>Ken Middaugh
>
>>I just got off the phone with Mike at MD Auto.  This is for real.  He
>>has been rebuilding Getrags for *** 4 *** years.  He said a lot of Mitsu
>>& Dodge dealers and aftermarket warranty companies know about him and use
him.
>

I'm a little confused --- does he do an exchange or does he rebuild your
trans.
Could get time consuming for East coast folk !!  If your syncros are shot
along
with other problems then he just fixes the half of the job he can handle ???

                    Jim Berry

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:14:13 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Drag racing

Hi

I will do some some drag racing during the summer and I wonder what's the difference between bracket racing and "normal" racing?

/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:25:20 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

I was just wondering if there are any opinions/info on which synthetic oil 
is  better.
Castrol Syntec or Mobil 1
I switched to Castrol Syntec a while back..........and I have noticed my oil
pressure stays 
lower, especially at idle...............the needle hangs only a mark or two
above the L!!!
When driving the needle stays at the first BIG mark and never goes above
it......even when  boost is applied.                  Is this
normal??????????  Thanks guys
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:38:27 -0400
From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Drag racing

Regular drag racing - The fastest wins

Bracket Racing - You dial-in by telling the officials what you think your
car will run. (by writing it on the side window of the car)  Then you are
handicapped if you are faster than the person you are racing or given a
head start if you are slower.  Then the person who gets to the finish line
first without going under his or her dial in-time wins.  When you go under
your time it's called breaking out.  This allows more competitive racing
between a wide variety of cars.  Theoretically if I was a good enuff driver
I could beat a door slammer in a 72 Ford Pinto.

Hope it helps,

Kevin Schappell
Auto Answers
http://www.pacarsearch.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mikael Akesson [SMTP:vr4@bahnhof.se]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:14 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Drag racing

Hi

I will do some some drag racing during the summer and I wonder what's the
difference between bracket racing and "normal" racing?

/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:47:08 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

MitsuVR41...

Questions: What weight Castrol are you using? Ambient temperature?

Comments...when we did a survey some months ago, of those using synthetic
(92% of those who responded), the majority (~70%) are using Mobil 1. I've
been using Castrol 5-50w for over two years and have been satisfied with it.
However, something sounds odd about your oil pressure indications (which is
why I asked about the weight). When I'm at idle, the gauge reads just below
the lower of the two large lines. When I'm running anything above 2K rpm,
it's nearly at the higher of the two large marks and stays there, regardless
of throttle position.

I wish we had real gauges (with psi markings), for all I know, the oil
pressure gauge is as unreliable as the boost gauge.   :-(

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/blown turbo seal mod)

- -----Original Message-----
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com [mailto:MitsuVR41@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 10:25 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1 Oil pressure issue


I was just wondering if there are any opinions/info on which synthetic oil 
is  better.
Castrol Syntec or Mobil 1
I switched to Castrol Syntec a while back..........and I have noticed my oil

pressure stays 
lower, especially at idle...............the needle hangs only a mark or two
above the L!!!
When driving the needle stays at the first BIG mark and never goes above
it......even when  boost is applied.                  Is this
normal??????????  Thanks guys
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:55:23 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Drag racing

Bracket racing is based mostly on consistency since you are placed in a class with people running similar times.

It's not a competition for the fastest time, the fastest time with people who run the same times?  Am in confusing this too much?

Mikael Åkesson wrote:

> Hi
>
> I will do some some drag racing during the summer and I wonder what's the difference between bracket racing and "normal" racing?
>
> /Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu
>
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:07:20 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Drag racing

A Drag race = the fastest time wins.
A Bracket race = the one closest to the time he says he will run wins.
Example 2 cars, car 1 says he will run 12.5 he runs 12.4
                         car 2 says he will run 12.5 he runs 12.00
Car 1 wins. He is closer to his selected time.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 5/4/99 10:23:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vr4@bahnhof.se
writes:

<< Subj: Team3S: Drag racing
 Date: 5/4/99 10:23:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time
 From: vr4@bahnhof.se (Mikael_Åkessonerve.com>)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 Hi
 
 I will do some some drag racing during the summer and I wonder what's the
difference between bracket racing and "normal" racing?
 
 /Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu
  >>
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:29:29 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

MitsuVR41,

I have been using Syntec 5W-50 since I bought the car and have noticed
exactly what you are talking about.  However, get out on the interstate
in the summer with the air on and you will see the pressure keep rising
for about the first 15 miles or so and it will get (on my gauge) within
1-2 lines of the top mark. The first winter I spent in Raleigh, '96, was
exceptionally cold and I got so worried because my oil pressure would
barely get above the low normal that I switched to Castrol 20-50, which
I use in everything else and I also noted a lot more valve noise.

I am about to switch to Mobil 1 because the concensus seems to be that
the valve noise is less with it.  Also, about a month ago there was a
URL given to very extensive oil filter study and it gave the Mobil 1 oil
filter very good marks.  So, I figured I'd switch to the oil and the
filter.

Regards,
Lynn

MitsuVR41@aol.com wrote:
>
> I was just wondering if there are any opinions/info on which synthetic oil
> is  better.
> Castrol Syntec or Mobil 1
> I switched to Castrol Syntec a while back..........and I have noticed my oil
> pressure stays
> lower, especially at idle...............the needle hangs only a mark or two
> above the L!!!
> When driving the needle stays at the first BIG mark and never goes above
> it......even when  boost is applied.                  Is this
> normal??????????  Thanks guys
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:25:25 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: Team3S: Boost with higher octane fuel

I'm going to race for the first time this Friday.  From what I've been
reading here, I should be able to get a higher octane fuel at the track?  If
so, should I be able to increase my boost while running a higher octane gas?


Michael
K&N Intake/Borla Exhaust/Blitz DSBC

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:20:52 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

> However, something sounds odd about your oil pressure
> indications (which is
> why I asked about the weight). When I'm at idle, the gauge
> reads just below
> the lower of the two large lines. When I'm running anything
> above 2K rpm,
> it's nearly at the higher of the two large marks and stays
> there, regardless
> of throttle position.

I'm also using Castrol Synthetic, 10W30 and notice my gauge being near the
bottom at idle, and just above the bottom of the two large marks when
driving.

Michael

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:33:03 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Boost with higher octane fuel

Michael...

All depends on the track. There's two 1/4 strips here in the Portland
(Oregon) area, neither one carries race gas.

However, there's two places in town that do carry race gas. FYI, the
unleaded (104 octane) is $4.75/gallon, the leaded (110 octane) is
$525/gallon. If you run your tank almost dry and put five gallons (unleaded
only if you haven't removed all three cats), you should be able to run the
boost up to 20 psi w/o risking damage to your engine. However, if you still
have stock turbos, you won't hold that boost at higher revs.

GOOD LUCK, let us know how the runs go!!!

BTW...I'd be curious to know what others are paying for race gas, along with
octane and your location.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/blown turbo seal mod)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Dorsey [mailto:mdorsey@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:25 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Boost with higher octane fuel

I'm going to race for the first time this Friday.  From what I've been
reading here, I should be able to get a higher octane fuel at the track?  If
so, should I be able to increase my boost while running a higher octane gas?

Michael
K&N Intake/Borla Exhaust/Blitz DSBC
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:36:25 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

Some weird things my VR-4 does I wonder if anyone elses does

Prime gas mileage speed seems to be aroun 92 mph

I got 32 mpg going from St. George, to Salt Lake city, at 92 mph cruise control

Around the city if I am on the gas I can burn a 1/4 of a tank just from going to to work
and back, and lunch prboably around 24 miles

Is this normal

When going very fast.  Full throttle continuously.  I can burn a 1/8 tank in 5 or 6
miles  So at 160 mph I eat up fuel at 2 mpg?  That is nuts anyone else with this problem
or si the Fuel gauge kind of inacurate

Only mod I have is a bleeder valve, and cut up air box 275 mm tires rear.  38psi Front
and 32 Rear


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:48:43 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Boost with higher octane fuel

>
>BTW...I'd be curious to know what others are paying for race gas, along with
>octane and your location.

At Heartland Park, Topeka, we have three choices. The cheapest is 102
octane at $4+  per gallon. The others were more expensive.

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!>
>
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:17:32 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <WallisG@mwaa.com>
Subject: Team3S: Gas mileage Question -Reply

All sounds normal to me.

Stop and go with a 2 ton car requires plenty of power, which in turn
uses plenty of gas.

Having the momentum already there and having minimal change in engine
speed at 5th/6th gear at 92mph should yield very good MPG.

As for 160, that's just a different ball game. The upper end of  the
engines power...although 2mpg seems to be a lot of gas, it doesn't
surprise me.

Gavin

>>> Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com> 05/04/99 04:36pm >>>
Some weird things my VR-4 does I wonder if anyone elses does

Prime gas mileage speed seems to be aroun 92 mph

I got 32 mpg going from St. George, to Salt Lake city, at 92 mph cruise
control

Around the city if I am on the gas I can burn a 1/4 of a tank just from
going to to work
and back, and lunch prboably around 24 miles

Is this normal

When going very fast.  Full throttle continuously.  I can burn a 1/8 tank in
5 or 6
miles  So at 160 mph I eat up fuel at 2 mpg?  That is nuts anyone else
with this problem
or si the Fuel gauge kind of inacurate

Only mod I have is a bleeder valve, and cut up air box 275 mm tires rear.
38psi Front
and 32 Rear


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:24:17 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

Andrew...

I think either your speedo is wildly inaccurate, or your calculations. I
keep pretty careful track of my mileage. Before I changed my turbos and
injectors I consistently got between 12 and 14 mpg in the city (with a fair
amount of WOT). On the highway, with speeds of up to 140+ mph, I get around
17 or 18 mpg. On a trip to the Bay area this January, I actually used the
cruise control at 85 mph in sixth gear and checked my mileage after a half
tank of gas. It was 22 mpg, an all time high. I doubt that it's possible to
get 32 mpg out of a VR4, under any speed, on flat terrain.

Check for loose mechanical connections, and/or check your math.

BTW...could you give me the complete size of the tires (275/xx-18 or
275/xx-17) on your VR4? What brand? Any clearance problems?

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/blown turbo seal mod)

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From: Andrew Brilliant [mailto:andrewb@infowest.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:36 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

Some weird things my VR-4 does I wonder if anyone elses does

Prime gas mileage speed seems to be aroun 92 mph

I got 32 mpg going from St. George, to Salt Lake city, at 92 mph cruise
control

Around the city if I am on the gas I can burn a 1/4 of a tank just from
going to to work
and back, and lunch prboably around 24 miles

Is this normal

When going very fast.  Full throttle continuously.  I can burn a 1/8 tank in
5 or 6
miles  So at 160 mph I eat up fuel at 2 mpg?  That is nuts anyone else with
this problem
or si the Fuel gauge kind of inacurate

Only mod I have is a bleeder valve, and cut up air box 275 mm tires rear.
38psi Front
and 32 Rear


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:25:14 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

>When going very fast.  Full throttle continuously.  I can burn a 1/8 tank
in 5 or 6
>miles  So at 160 mph I eat up fuel at 2 mpg?  That is nuts anyone else
with this problem
>or si the Fuel gauge kind of inacurate


On an open track, I burn a quarter tank in a 20 minute session.
It goes down so fast, I almost ran out of gas once.
I guess we run about a 75-80 mph average, because a 2.25 mile lap takes
about 1:50 or so.
Let's see, at 80 mph that's 0.75 min./mile for 20 min., or about 27 miles.
A quarter tank is -- what? 4 gallons?
So that's about 6.75 mpg.
Glad I just use 92 octane and not racing gas. 

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:33:32 -0700
From: Yoss <yoss@aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

On May 04, Chris Winkley said:
> Andrew...
>
> I think either your speedo is wildly inaccurate, or your calculations. I

Hm...
        If he spent 1/8 tank to traverse 6 miles doing 160mph, that's 2.475
        gallons to drive for 0.0375hr, or 66gph (isn't this the spec. for the
        stock fuel pump?)

> I doubt that it's possible to get 32 mpg out of a VR4, under any speed, on
> flat terrain.

I think it was Bob Fontana who stated that he noticed much better mileage
after installing the VPC (upper 20s, but I don't think it was 32mgp tho.)

- -sankar

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:50:16 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

As for the calculations I can tell you exactly what happend..

Gas was about 94cents/gallon back then but listen to what happend

$10 in the tank.  So roughly 10 gallons, car had the gas light on

Traveled 312 Miles to donw town SLC (the olive garden) from St. George BLVD, a St.
George in rougghly  3.75 hours.  After the $10 fillup it rad a little under 3/4 tank
full Maybe the pump was messed, because I _never_ duplicated this.  My G/F was driving,
and she never did any WOT 3rd gear passes like I always do.  Has anyone ever heard of a
gas pump being inacurate before?

10 galllons 315 miles, maybe the speedo is WAY off who knows

Chris Winkley wrote:

> Andrew...
>
> I think either your speedo is wildly inaccurate, or your calculations. I
> keep pretty careful track of my mileage. Before I changed my turbos and

- -snip-

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 00:28:35 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

Interestingly, here in Europe we do have Castrol Synthetic (RS, TT, TXT) and the
new Syntec (in Switz. since this year) I run 5W40 in Winter and 10W60 in Summer
and have consistent readings. Idle is just a little under the normal mark and on
very high speeds the needle stays below the upper larger mark. The only
"problem" (more a Gremlin) is that with an oil level below the full mark the
oil-warning light comes up when I accellerate hard or on high speeds up a hill.
Lifting the throttle cures this. We replaced the oil level switch (I did not
found in the US manual !) but didn't help yet.


> I'm also using Castrol Synthetic, 10W30 and notice my gauge being near the
> bottom at idle, and just above the bottom of the two large marks when
> driving.

- -----------------------
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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 00:31:36 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

> i thought the rotor discs are sort of "hollow" from the inside to help air
> carry heat away?

Yes, correct. Some rotors have different internal grooving design to draw air or
out.

> couldn't the inside surfaces of the rotor be painted? (in the middle of the
> actual disc, between the braking surfaces. At least that's what i thought it
> looked like last time i had my wheel off. I could be wrong. please let me
> know if i am.

You can but I see no adantage in doing this.

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:07:42 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

> > couldn't the inside surfaces of the rotor be painted? (in the
>
> You can but I see no adantage in doing this.

Well basically i was saying although negligeable, black radiates more heat
then any other color...
and hey, a good high heat paint should prevent rust too :)

how hot can brakes get during conditions it would glow red?

Omar


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:14:49 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

> Well basically i was saying although negligeable, black radiates more
> heat then any other color... and hey, a good high heat paint
> should prevent rust too :)

Doesn't black absorb the most heat?  If you set a black piece of plastic in
the sun next to a white piece, doesn't the black piece become hotter than
the white piece?

I'd suspect that any paint on the rotor or caliper would help hold the heat
in, since paint would transfer heat more slowly than metal.

- -Matt

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:42:45 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

Team;

The low pressure "may"  be eleviated with a flush to clean out the ole system. My guess is
it needs the gunk and cooked oil cleaned out from high temps ......then go with Mobil 1
10-30. Back in my muscle car youth (another ole poop- -who here isn't)  I swore by
Castrol, but I am a firm advocate of Mobil 1 now and will stay so,  unless something
better comes along. Life is not static.

Best

Darc

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 07:05:49 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost with higher octane fuel

Michael Dorsey wrote:

>  race for the first time I should get higher octane fuel at track?  If
>  should I increase boost while higher octane?
> Michael  K&N Intake/Borla Exhaust/Blitz DSBC

yes, run tank near empty when arriving at track; then put in maybe 4 gallons of highest
unleaded gas the track sells (100-104).  Then turn the boost up as HIGH as you can
without hitting fuelcut!!  Max it out!
Jack T.

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:06:14 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Valve noise question

I noticed some valve noise on my '91 VR4 about 3 or 4 weeks ago. I've decided
to try a flush treatment next oil change.

Full set of valve lifters was replaced about 2 years ago by previous owner.

My first oil change since buying the car was with Mobil 1 syn. last Oct.
Previous owner used non-syn.

2nd oil change was about 2 months ago - Mobil 1 syn.

1)Is there any kind of treatment I can do to the car now before next oil
change?

2)Any advantage to doing the flush treatment/oil change now, as opposed to
waiting untill the next oil change (about 4-5 mo. away)?

3)If I let the valves continue to clatter, am I doing any kind of permanent
damage I might avoid by doing the flush now?

Thanks for the help!

Paul Klusman
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:04:56 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

Whatever you've done to your car, pass it on. I've never gotten over 25-27 mpg on the highway - of course that's doing almost a constant 80 or better with cruise and lots of flat spaces.  In city, maybe 15 mpg, if I'm lucky.
- --

On Tue, 04 May 1999 15:50:16   Andrew Brilliant wrote:
>As for the calculations I can tell you exactly what happend..
>
>Gas was about 94cents/gallon back then but listen to what happend
>
>$10 in the tank.  So roughly 10 gallons, car had the gas light on
>
>Traveled 312 Miles to donw town SLC (the olive garden) from St. George BLVD, a St.
>George in rougghly  3.75 hours.  After the $10 fillup it rad a little under 3/4 tank
>full Maybe the pump was messed, because I _never_ duplicated this.  My G/F was driving,
>and she never did any WOT 3rd gear passes like I always do.  Has anyone ever heard of a
>gas pump being inacurate before?
>
>10 galllons 315 miles, maybe the speedo is WAY off who knows
>
>Chris Winkley wrote:
>
>> Andrew...
>>
>> I think either your speedo is wildly inaccurate, or your calculations. I
>> keep pretty careful track of my mileage. Before I changed my turbos and
>
>-snip-
>
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>Webmaster
>IS Department
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:13:14 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

I just changed over to Castrol Synthetic 5-50 (using a K&N filter) and my oil pressure increased.  most of the time at idle it reads like 1/4 on the gauge (halfway between lowest and mid lines) and during cruising, it normally reads 1-2 lines above the middle.  Before, when I was using the SynBlend with a Fram, my pressure at idle would sometimes drop to the 2nd from the bottom (got a little nervous at that point) and when cruising it would sit a 1 line above mid-level.
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On Tue, 4 May 1999 16:20:52    Michael Dorsey wrote:
>
>> However, something sounds odd about your oil pressure
>> indications (which is
>> why I asked about the weight). When I'm at idle, the gauge
>> reads just below
>> the lower of the two large lines. When I'm running anything
>> above 2K rpm,
>> it's nearly at the higher of the two large marks and stays
>> there, regardless
>> of throttle position.
>
>I'm also using Castrol Synthetic, 10W30 and notice my gauge being near the
>bottom at idle, and just above the bottom of the two large marks when
>driving.
>
>Michael
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:21:57 -0700
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

I've gotten 28mpg on the flats between Bakersfield, CA and Las Vegas, NV...

- -Bill/'95 VR-4 Spyder

> > I doubt that it's possible to get 32 mpg out of a VR4, under any speed,
on
> > flat terrain.
>
> I think it was Bob Fontana who stated that he noticed much better mileage
> after installing the VPC (upper 20s, but I don't think it was 32mgp tho.)




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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:22:33 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

Jim,
That's why they charge a 'core charge.'  He'll ship you one as soon as he gets the payment (VISA/Cash/Purchase Order).  You get the tranny, put it in, take the old used piece of #$@! out, and return it to him.  He should then refund your core charge.  If you decide you want to keep it as a paperweight or whatever, he keeps the core charge.  Don't know where he gets his synchros - closely guarded secret I imagine, cause if he tells, the MitsuStapo will be there and cut him off at the knees.  We've seen that happen whenever somebody has publicly announced a pipeline.  GUESS WHO'S WATCHING??????
- --

On Tue, 4 May 1999 09:21:41    Jim Berry wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Ken Middaugh
>>
>>>I just got off the phone with Mike at MD Auto.  This is for real.  He
>>>has been rebuilding Getrags for *** 4 *** years.  He said a lot of Mitsu
>>>& Dodge dealers and aftermarket warranty companies know about him and use
>him.
>>
>
>I'm a little confused --- does he do an exchange or does he rebuild your
>trans.
>Could get time consuming for East coast folk !!  If your syncros are shot
>along
>with other problems then he just fixes the half of the job he can handle ???
>
>                    Jim Berry
>
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:56:42 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Valve noise question

> 1)Is there any kind of treatment I can do to the car now before next oil
> change?
>
> 2)Any advantage to doing the flush treatment/oil change now, as opposed to
> waiting untill the next oil change (about 4-5 mo. away)?
>
> 3)If I let the valves continue to clatter, am I doing any kind of permanent
> damage I might avoid by doing the flush now?
>

Hey Paul;

Oil and filters are cheap investments, even when synthetic. Changing frequently is one
of the best things you can do, and a flush will take the speculation out of the equation
if you do it now rather than wait.

Best

Darc

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:06:05 -0500
From: "Dennis Moore" <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

Black both absorbs _and_ radiates heat better than all lighter colors.

Dennis

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Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question
[snip]
> Doesn't black absorb the most heat?  If you set a black piece of plastic
in
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:49:51 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost with higher octane fuel

>If you run your tank almost dry and put five gallons (unleaded
>only if you haven't removed all three cats),

Won't this ruin the O2 sensors?

>BTW...I'd be curious to know what others are paying for race gas, along
with
>octane and your location.
>Looking forward...Chris
>


I get 100 octane unleaded at Texaco for $3.59 in Plymouth, MN. They also
sell 110 leaded and I am pretty sure that sells for $3.59 as well.  93
octane pump gas runs about $1.20.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:03:20 -0700
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost with higher octane fuel

BASTARDS...

We're paying $1.82 for premium in Vegas, if you shop around, otherwise
$1.91...ARGH!

(I know, I know, you live in a friggin' desert, what do you expect?)

- -Bill

> I get 100 octane unleaded at Texaco for $3.59 in Plymouth, MN. They also
> sell 110 leaded and I am pretty sure that sells for $3.59 as well.  93
> octane pump gas runs about $1.20.




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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:12:31 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

>I wish we had real gauges (with psi markings), for all I know, the oil
>pressure gauge is as unreliable as the boost gauge.   :-(
>
>Looking forward...Chris
>


I swapped out my center gauges for some Autometer gauges.  I replaced both
the oil and water temp gauges with mechanical gauges.  I also installed an
electrical fuel pressure gauge in the place vacated by the boost gauge.

I'm running Mobil-1 10W30 with ambient temperature ranging from 40-70.
Initially upon cold startup I see 80psi.  This slowly drops as the engine
warms up .  After running the car for a while I will get around 10-15 psi at
idle.  While driving, the oil pressure varies between 30-65 psi depending on
RPM.  My stock gauge barely moved at all.  It was always pegged just above
center, except at idle when it would drop two notches. I suspect that it is
purposely tuned this way as not to worry the average driver.

I plan on running some Gunk motor flush thru the engine soon.  It will be
interesting to see if this makes a difference on the readings.  I also plan
on running Mobil-1 15W50 this summer.  I suspect I will get slightly higher
readings with this viscosity.  My car is a '95 R/T TT with just over 30k
miles.  It has had a pretty easy life so far.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:29:59 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

I am experiencing similar problems.
When I drive from Chattanooga, Tn to Nashville, Tn and to Birmingham, AL  I
general drive from 75-to-85 mph average  and sometimes the first quarter tank
lasts for 150 miles and sometimes it lasts only 70 to 80 miles.  usually the
last 3 quarter tank increments go down each step too.      1st 150 miles  
2cnd 80miles  3rd 60miles  and then about 45 miles.
  I have also noticed my car runs best at 90 to 100 miles per hour. It runs
smoothest, reacts and turns the best.  And seems to get better gas mileage??
maybee it just seems that way.  I think the  guage is inacurate......my car
has been close to empty before and the light would go on and go off
constantly.
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:36:16 -0400
From: Bill Wagner <wagner@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Syntec -Vs- Mobil 1    Oil pressure issue

MitsuVR41@aol.com wrote:

> I switched to Castrol Syntec a while back..........and I have noticed my oil pressure stays lower, especially at idle...............the needle hangs only a mark or two above the L!!!
> When driving the needle stays at the first BIG mark and never goes above it......even when  boost is applied.                  Is this
> normal??????????  Thanks guys

I used Syntec before I went to Mobil 1. The ONLY reason I ever went with
Syntec was because it was on sale. I did notice the oil pressure with
the Syntec was lower than with the Mobil 1, but NOT as low as you're
reporting. I haven't really had any problems with either, but since the
Mobil 1 indicates a higher pressure (probably indicating it's probably a
bit denser when hot) I'll probably stick with it.

I don't know how good the oil pressure guage really is, or how
accurately it scales with changes in oil pressure. With Mobil 1, and the
car warmed up, my guage reads slightly below the first large mark at
idle and will run up between the upper 1/3rd of the guage between
3k-4kRPM.

Perhaps your sending unit or oil pump are bad.

Good Luck,

Bill Wagner
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:40:26 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Valve ticking here as well!!!!!

I also recently have had a valve start ticking....and it has gotten a little
louder than it was......but not loud enough to be a rod.  To do the oil
flush....is it safe to trust a local 10 min oil change ......or should I dig
into the pockets and (heaven forbid) trust Mitsubishi to do it????  I'm not
into taking my car into Mitsubishi unless I  HAVE to.  Seems to me my car is
always delivered with more problems than it had before I took it in when I
take it to Mitsubishi....In fact.......Mitsubishi told me my car was
completely fixed and I threw a rod the next day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:53:12 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gas mileage Question

This is teh EXACT SAME BHAVIOR

can't be coincidence

I do think though that as far as the 90 mph handling goes.  I used to have an Eclipse,
this is a GT car, it is designed to handle smooth at 90 mph I think it's a Pain in the
city... stiff clutch, rough ride.. But at 100 mph smooth as ice

MitsuVR41@aol.com wrote:

> I am experiencing similar problems.
> When I drive from Chattanooga, Tn to Nashville, Tn and to Birmingham, AL  I
> general drive from 75-to-85 mph average  and sometimes the first quarter tank
> lasts for 150 miles and sometimes it lasts only 70 to 80 miles.  usually the
> last 3 quarter tank increments go down each step too.      1st 150 miles
> 2cnd 80miles  3rd 60miles  and then about 45 miles.
>   I have also noticed my car runs best at 90 to 100 miles per hour. It runs
> smoothest, reacts and turns the best.  And seems to get better gas mileage??
> maybee it just seems that way.  I think the  guage is inacurate......my car
> has been close to empty before and the light would go on and go off
> constantly.
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 00:02:30 -0400
From: Bill Wagner <wagner@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Valve noise question

Klusmanp@aol.com wrote:
>
> I noticed some valve noise on my '91 VR4 about 3 or 4 weeks ago. I've decided
> to try a flush treatment next oil change.

What kind of noise?? Is it a slight clicking or does it sound like
someone is lightly tapping the side of the top end with a hammer? Does
the noise ever go away?? Are you sure the noise is coming from the valve
area and not the underside of the engine??

I'm curious because I suspect that one of my lifters is failing (back
cylinder bank, of course!!). I get the noise that sounds as if someone
is tapping the top end lightly with a hammer, but it's eratic...often
not present at all.  Following the procedures in the manual, I slowly
rev the car from idle to 3000rpm and back  3 times (about 30 sec. for
each). In most cases, my clacking will disapear...particularly at higher
revs when the oil pressure goes up. Sometimes it will be clacking away
and then disappear all on it's own.

It's good to have a list back!

Thanks,

Bill Wagner
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:39:35 -0500
From: Gabe Estrada <typhoonzz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost with higher octane fuel

Here in the Kansas City Area we have one station with 107 Octane and it runs around
3.50 a gallon.  At our Local track it runs around .75 cents higher.  Great stuff, just
drains the wallet!
Gabe Estrada
94 Pearl Yellow VR-4
92 GMC Typhoon

Oskar wrote:

>
>
> I get 100 octane unleaded at Texaco for $3.59 in Plymouth, MN. They also
> sell 110 leaded and I am pretty sure that sells for $3.59 as well.  93
> octane pump gas runs about $1.20.
>
> Oskar
> '95 R/T TT
>
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