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Team3S Digest           Monday, May 3 1999           Volume 01 : Number 169




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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: dustin poos <vr4_3000gt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: For Sale!!!!!

I have a few thing from a 92 3000GT SL for sale, The stock exaust (no
tips), red passenger side door fully loaded minus handle, two heads
from a DOHC NA plus all accessories, cams, roller rockers, etc.
Passenger side quarter panel, quarter glass, rear bumper(inner/outer),
3 pc. tailights, complete rear suspension (ECS), 3 16" factory mitsu
rims, almost brand new set of speed rated 225/55HR-16, Directionals
used less than 1500 mi.  If anyone has any questions please e-mail me
PRIVATLEY.

    Thanks, Dustin
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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:55:39 EDT
From: UNCLEDONUT@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: clutch release bearing

In a message dated 5/2/99 10:18:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
davidma@premier1.net writes:

> sorry I'm so lame, but I can't figure out how to get the clutch bearing
>  off the trans input shaft.  The shop manual shows a snap ring, but I
>  can't find one except the one holding the input shaft in, which I'm not
>  going to screw with.

>  you wouldn't BELIEVE how much crud was inside the bellhousing!

Hey Dave,

  I'm doing my clutch right now also.  The transaxle just came out a couple
of hours ago.  The fork is held on the pivot ball with a snap spring of some
kind.  I just popped it off the ball and the release bearing came right off.

- -Dave Rich
'91 R/T TT
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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 23:08:56 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: NEW MOTOR---NEW TRANNY----STILL CAR TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROBLEM #1
Okay, so I have a California stock 92 Vr-4 with a newly installed 92 GTO
engine.
The car ran fine for 3 weeks, then I had an injection malfuncion.
Replaced the injectors
Since then the car has not ran properly
When I try to boost slowly the car goes kind of okay, BUT when I try to give
it a little horse power the boost cuts out and my exhaust sounds choppy. 
Apparently I'm not getting enough fuel pressure or something becaue my car
idles extremely rough.

PROBLEM #2
If I hold my foot on the gas and try to keep it at a constant RPM like  say
1000 or 2000....
the rpm will jump up and down  like from 700 to 1000 back to 700   or 2000 to
1700 back to 2000   etc...... the car idles up and down.

PROBLEM#3
Had a new  tranny installed 20,000 miles ago.  The tranny still pops out of
gear at times, but no where near the degree as the old "bad" tranny did. And
sometimes the shifting feels tight and quick and at others feels longer, and
dry-er (less fluid)

PROBLEM#4
At various speeds when the car runs at 2600 to 3000 rpm  a low vibration
rattles the car
seemingly from underneath the floorboard.
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 00:27:58 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: Team3S: Can I do it myself?

First a little background.  I have been working on cars most of my life (I
am 24) and consider myself a pretty good mechanic.  I have a one car garage
with a dirt floor (which I plan to concrete very soon) and a good set of
general automotive tools. (metric included)  I just bought a 91 Stealth TT
with 72,000 miles on the odometer and I am not sure if the timing belt was
ever changed.  I do want to change all fluids over to synthetic,add
underdrive pulleys and install a Borla cat-back system.  While I have
everything apart I figure I can inspect the timing belt and determine if the
belt has been changed.  Here come the questions. :-)

1.  Is this something that can be tackled by someone with reasonable
mechanical ability?
2.  Is there any special tools I will need to change the timing belt?
3.  I was told by a tech at Nexus that if the belt was not changed by 72,000
miles, there is a good chance it would have broken by now.  Is this your
experience?
4.  Is the Borla system an easy bolt on, and is it worth changing?  I have
seen some opinions that it really does not help unless you are upgrading
turbo's and fuel system.  I have to admit I would do it anyway just for the
sound.

I think that's enuff for tonight, but I am sure I will have more later. :-)

TIA,
Kevin Schappell
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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 23:40:31 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: More rotors

Rich, everyone,

I suggested this awhile back, and it was dismissed.
This is a valid idea, what if your wheel bearings/ hubs were flexing?

My concern is that maybe the hub is flexing causing something to be out of
shape.

The MR2 upgraded their hubs for "steering feel" in 1994, thus telling the
public that the hub/bearing assembly was flexing.

Don't get me wrong, but the rotors could be defective, and most likely are.
I have always believed in looking past the broken part for other things
wrong.
E.G.: Piston ring lands broken = detonation not defective piston etc...

> Brad
Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

When I described my experiences snapping PowerSlots to the Porterfield
expert, he suggested that perhaps the rotors were breaking at the hub
because of cornering stresses. Topeka is primarily a left-hand track which
puts most of the stress on the right front wheel, and I did break two
right-hand rotors on two separate occasions, both breaking in the very
first driving session -- one on the 4th lap, one at the end of the first 20
min. session.

It does not matter, however, whether PowerSlots snap because of excessive
heat or cornering stresses. Either way, they are not suitable for open
track events. I don't want to use anything that might break into two pieces
and render my vehicle unbrakable again. The last time was kinda
frightening, when the brakes went at about 100 mph with a tight right
approaching. A long runoff area saved my big butt.

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!


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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 23:52:08 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Can I do it myself?

> 1.  Is this something that can be tackled by someone with reasonable
> mechanical ability?

Yes!! If you have the time and patience to try. I'm 19, and i consider
myself to have good mechanic ability, but i sure wouldn't say i'm a great
mechanic (you can never know everything and you always learn something new
everyday!). I did my water pump, timing belt and generally cleaned out the
throttle body, intake plenum and intake manifold myself (almost 3 to 4 mm of
carbon buildup in the manifold!!!). I also changed the springs, installed an
alarm and finalized my mp3 comptuer install while i was at it. I can't say
i've ever been able to control my cursing when no one's around (some of the
neighbors may have overheard though). I didn't come across any major
problems. Just hassles along the way. As long as you have your manual by
your side, you _shouldn't_ have any problems. And patience is something you
may already know is required.

> 2.  Is there any special tools I will need to change the timing belt?

Yes, you'll need a tool to tension the timing belt. i believe the part
number is 998767. if you can't find it at any dealer, you can get it
straight from miller special tools 1-800-801-5420.

> 3.  I was told by a tech at Nexus that if the belt was not
> changed by 72,000
> miles, there is a good chance it would have broken by now.  Is this your
> experience?

My car has a hair over 80k miles on it. The timing belt never broke, and i
didn't see any signs of it doing so. My water pump went out, which was the
reason (and excuse) to do the timing belt. There are stories of some
breaking at 50k and others at 120k. I guess it depends on the conditions the
car has been through and how it's been treated/maintaned.

> 4.  Is the Borla system an easy bolt on, and is it worth changing?  I have
> seen some opinions that it really does not help unless you are upgrading
> turbo's and fuel system.  I have to admit I would do it anyway
> just for the
> sound.

Wouldn't know about that. But most people seem to be happy with it. It's a
step in the right direction on the upgrade path ;) Every little bit adds up.

>
> I think that's enuff for tonight, but I am sure I will have more
> later. :-)
>
> TIA,
> Kevin Schappell

Omar
92 r/t


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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 00:02:39 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: More rotors

>I suggested this awhile back, and it was dismissed.
>This is a valid idea, what if your wheel bearings/ hubs were flexing?

How do you check that? We've done the normal grab-the-wheel-and-shake-it
test, and everything seems normal.

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 00:10:55 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: NEW MOTOR---NEW TRANNY----STILL CAR TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Problem 1:  Are you sure the injectors are the correct replacements?  Could
the GTO have had a different set of injectors?
Sounds like you have a  misfire, I would look at plug wires and connections
to your injectors. Sounds like you have a boost leak, or something
misfiring.  Maybe when you replaced the injectors you messed something up?

Look at the Y-pipe gasket, and all the injector insulators, along with all
hose clamps.
Problem2:  problem 1 and 2 are related, see problem 1.

As for 3 & 4.  Something is lose or the tranny is bad. You might check your
rear motor mount also.

> Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
PROBLEM #1
Okay, so I have a California stock 92 Vr-4 with a newly installed 92 GTO
engine.
The car ran fine for 3 weeks, then I had an injection malfuncion.
Replaced the injectors
Since then the car has not ran properly
When I try to boost slowly the car goes kind of okay, BUT when I try to give
it a little horse power the boost cuts out and my exhaust sounds choppy.
Apparently I'm not getting enough fuel pressure or something becaue my car
idles extremely rough.

PROBLEM #2
If I hold my foot on the gas and try to keep it at a constant RPM like  say
1000 or 2000....
the rpm will jump up and down  like from 700 to 1000 back to 700   or 2000
to
1700 back to 2000   etc...... the car idles up and down.


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 00:13:26 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: More rotors

I have no clue!  Since the stress on the hub/bearing assembly will be great
with race tires and hard driving I simply don't see how one could check this
theory. I am sure there is a way to mark things and look for stress areas.

> Brad
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>I suggested this awhile back, and it was dismissed.
>This is a valid idea, what if your wheel bearings/ hubs were flexing?

How do you check that? We've done the normal grab-the-wheel-and-shake-it
test, and everything seems normal.


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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 04:53:15 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Team3S: max flywheel resurfacing

Does anyone have that number for the max amount of material you can have
machined off the flywheel?  I think it was like 0.5 mm or 0.1 mm

Almost there!

Dave


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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:37:42 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NEW MOTOR---NEW TRANNY----STILL CAR  TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MitsuVR41@aol.com wrote:

> PROBLEM #1
> Okay, so I have a California stock 92 Vr-4 with a newly installed 92 GTO
> engine.
> The car ran fine for 3 weeks, then I had an injection malfuncion.
> Replaced the injectors
> Since then the car has not ran properly
> When I try to boost slowly the car goes kind of okay, BUT when I try to give
> it a little horse power the boost cuts out and my exhaust sounds choppy.
> Apparently I'm not getting enough fuel pressure or something becaue my car
> idles extremely rough.
>
> PROBLEM #2
> If I hold my foot on the gas and try to keep it at a constant RPM like  say
> 1000 or 2000....
> the rpm will jump up and down  like from 700 to 1000 back to 700   or 2000 to
> 1700 back to 2000   etc...... the car idles up and down.

Sounds like the Mass Air Sensor wiring harness is not connected or not fully
contacting the mass air sensor.  Check the harness and wires and contacts
on it, you know the thing the airfilter is attached to.  Still, usually the car idles
 ok with that harness off.

Maybe the cams are not on the right teeth of cambelt/are out of synch.

Maybe the hose to the fuel pressure regulator is not on or is going to
wrong port on manifold/hose junction.

The fact that it is Japanese engine should not change matters, as you still
have your old stock computer and massair sensor.


>
> PROBLEM#4
> At various speeds when the car runs at 2600 to 3000 rpm  a low vibration
> rattles the car
> seemingly from underneath the floorboard.
>

Maybe bad bearing on one of the driveshafts going to back of car.

Jack Tertadian


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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:55:07 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: More rotors

I don't think flex of bearings/hub assy is large contributor here.
I have never heard of such a thing being any significant factor,
but that doesn't mean much.  However--
In OUR cars which are designed heavy-duty because they
are heavy and AWD so driving AND braking via front wheels,
it is less likely than some brand X cars.

If true, why does no other brand of rotor do this?
Do the rotors come off as a solid ring, or are they fractured
THROUGH one of those "slots" or grooves in the rotors?
The brake calipers have pistons that are able to move in and
out, if there was a significant force put against them in one
direction (rotor tilting over due to bearing/hub flex)
the pistons would adjust to that force by sliding over the small
distance.
  The force applied by BRAKE pressure is EQUAL on both
sides of the caliper so cancels out, leaving only the net force by
such a proposed "bending of hub assy" as remainder, and the
caliper pots move pretty easily, certainly WAY easier than the
amount of force needed to BREAK OFF a STEEL brake disc
from its hub!!

  Any force applied on-axis to the rotor (BRAKING force)
from caliper should never snap off a good/properly designed
rotor.  Well, never is a long time but Powerslots are WAY off
my list, for ever...
Jack Tertadian


Brad Bedell wrote:

> wheel bearings/ hubs were flexing?
>  maybe hub flexing causing something to be out of shape.
> MR2 upgraded  hubs  in 1994,  telling  public hub/bearing assembly flexing.
>  rotors could be defective, likely are.
>
>  snapping PowerSlots to the Porterfield
> expert, he suggested that perhaps the rotors were breaking at the hub
> because of cornering stresses.
> It does not matter, however, whether PowerSlots snap because of excessive
> heat or cornering stresses. Either way, they are not suitable for open
> track events.
>

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:01:51 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Can I do it myself?

Kevin Schappell wrote:  91 Stealth TT  Timing Belt Change:

> 1.  Is this something that can be tackled by someone with reasonable
> mechanical ability?

Yes, but make sure you line up the teeth/cam sprockets right.  I would
also change the cam tensioner device, some have gone bad after timing
belt change.  Consider changing water pump.

> 2.  Is there any special tools I will need to change the timing belt?

There is timing belt tensioner tool that helps some.

>
> 3.  I was told by Nexus that if belt not changed by 72,000
> there is good chance would have broken by now.

False.  The chances are highly likely it would NOT have broken but would
keep going fine for a long time.  It is just that wear is not same for all cars,
or belts, and 60,000 was the point Mitsu set as "safety time" to change so the
vast majority of cars would have seen NO problems yet.

> 4.  Is the Borla system an easy bolt on, and is it worth changing?  I have
> seen some opinions that it really does not help unless you are upgrading
> turbo's and fuel system.  I have to admit I would do it anyway just for the
> sound.
>

Borla sounds cool.  It helps high rpm hp some, not alot (?1-3mph quartermile) but
the more you modify, the more air you ask exh to carry, the more it will help.  Gutting
main cat helps.

Jack T.


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:35:49 -0400
From: "Marc Jaffe" <marc@marcjaffe.com>
Subject: Team3S: power dip as soon as car moves for first time

hey guys,
I have a bizzare problem,   as soon as the car (95 vr4) moves forward or
back a few feet after
starting it, whether the first time or as a test over and over,the power
dips down. the head lights dip and the electrical system
seems to take a dip also. it comes back and is fine the rest of the trip...
Any ideas?
weak battery?
charging system?
some controller?
it almost seems that it is during the diagnostic sequence..
BTW My anti lock break light is on full time due to a faulty motor relay. i
have not had a chance to get to this yet
any connection?
thanx
Marc

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:06:10 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: More rotors

>Do the rotors come off as a solid ring, or are they fractured
>THROUGH one of those "slots" or grooves in the rotors?

They break cleanly at the hub, leaving two perfect pieces:
a solid ring and a hub, with nary a fracture mark on them.

>Powerslots are WAY off
>my list, for ever...

Amen to that.

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 07:47:25 PDT
From: "Chris S." <shadowphantom_1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: 3000GT Service Manual CD

I am selling the 3000GT Service Manual CD.  I bought it less than 2 months
ago and now have no use for it.  It was only used once.  No I didn't copy
it.  I am selling it for $25 shipped.  If you are interested please reply
PRIVATELY.

Thanks,
Chris


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:03:55 -0400
From: "Michael D. Romano" <mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Team3S: Gasoline and Injectors

Folks,

I've recently been trying to track down some throttle response issues with
my car. I seem to have recently  (within the last couple of weeks) lost some
pick-up. I changed the front 3 plugs a few weeks before that with factory
stock plugs. Also changed the stock air filter.

Just before the pick-up loss, I filled with Sunoco 94 octane, and added some
STP injector cleaner. Since then, I've burned that tank of gas, and am
halfway through a tank of BP 92 octane.
I regularly fill up (for the last 30k miles) with 92 octane BP gas, to try
and stay consistent with what I put in it. Anyways, I was just speaking with
a co-worker who used to work at a Porsche/Audi dealership, and he asked me
what brand of gas I use. When I told him BP, he said that they were
bodily-threatened by the Service Manager at the dealership to never use BP
gas in the cars, as the additional alcohol deteriorates the fuel injector
o-rings , causing them to suck air past the seal. He sited one or two cases
that he has witnessed.

Now, is this an old-wives tale? Is he correct and his old Service Manager
correct? What about the millions of cars running it regulary? I generally
take most word-of-mouth tales with a grain of salt, but it has me thinking
now....

Any input would be appreciated!

- -Mike
'93 Stealth ES w/90k

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:21:51 -0500
From: S J Cowan <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gasoline and Injectors

Michael:

>Since then, I've burned that tank of gas, and
>am
>halfway through a tank of BP 92 octane.

<snip>

>he said that they were
>bodily-threatened by the Service Manager at the dealership

I was told this many years ago when still living in Ohio.  I always ran
Sunoco or Shell when I lived there.  BP was and still is a last resort.
I have not had good luck with this product.

Regards,

Scott

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:27:27 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gasoline and Injectors

When I told him BP, he said that they were
>bodily-threatened by the Service Manager at the dealership to never use BP
>gas in the cars, as the additional alcohol deteriorates the fuel injector
>o-rings , causing them to suck air past the seal. He sited one or two cases
>that he has witnessed. >Now, is this an old-wives tale? Is he correct and
his old Service Manager
>correct? What about the millions of cars running it regulary? I generally
>take most word-of-mouth tales with a grain of salt, but it has me thinking
>now....
>
A few years ago, a fuel injector failed in my 89 Olds Cutlass, and my
mechanic attributed it to using ethanol. He said it eats away the
insulation, and shorts out the injector. It only took one failure to shut
down the engine, but 3 of the 6 injectors were bad.

Rich /old poop/somebody stop me!


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:29:06 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: More rotors

>>Do the rotors come off as a solid ring, or are they fractured
>>THROUGH one of those "slots" or grooves in the rotors?
>
>They break cleanly at the hub, leaving two perfect pieces:
>a solid ring and a hub, with nary a fracture mark on them.


Were the rotors returned to the manufacturer?? And if so what was their response?
From a liability point of view they can't just ignore a failure of that nature. I would
think a carefully worded letter from the law firm of Dewey, Phukm & Howe would
get their attention and force an explanation of the failure.

               Jim Berry

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:59:44 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: More rotors

>
>Were the rotors returned to the manufacturer?? And if so what was their
response?

When I broke the first one, I sent it back. They sent me two new ones (a
left and a right), allegedly from a different batch, and said not to use to
leftover left rotor.

When I broke the second one, I told them I did not trust the rotors any
more, and they said they would refund the original purchase price. I am
waiting, even as we speak, for UPS to come get all three rotors.

I bought them through Foreign Auto Tech in Millbrae, CA, and they have been
very helpful and cooperative. They are the ones who spoke with the
manufacturer. It cost me nothing to send the parts back, because they send
UPS out to get them. Buncha nice guys out there.

>>From a liability point of view they can't just ignore a failure of that
nature. I would
>think a carefully worded letter from the law firm of Dewey, Phukm & Howe
would
>get their attention and force an explanation of the failure.

If I had hit anything when the second rotor broke, I think I would have
whispered a few love words in their corporate ears along the lines of what
you suggest.

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:08:32 -0500
From: "Todd Schmalzried" <Q11981@email.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gasoline and Injectors

Are you sure you're thinking of ethanol eating parts? I've used it for years
in my cars and never had any problems. When "gasohol" first appeared there
was some stations using ethanol, and others which were using methanol.
Gasohol got a very bad name because the methanol is very hard on parts,
unless the system is designed for it. A 10% ethanol solution is supposed to
be safe, and gets you ~3 points of octane. I also think it's a much better
additive than a lot of the other oxygenating agents they add to gas. There's
one which they use in Colorado in the winter, and also a lot of places in
California. It stinks and also makes cars knock a lot easier. I think it's
called MTBE, but don't remember for sure. I know I'm going to keep using gas
with ethanol, you guys will have to decide for yourselves.

Todd

Merritt wrote:
>
> as the additional alcohol deteriorates the fuel injector
> >o-rings , causing them to suck air past the seal. He sited one or two cases
> >that he has witnessed.
> >
> A few years ago, a fuel injector failed in my 89 Olds Cutlass, and my
> mechanic attributed it to using ethanol. He said it eats away the
> insulation, and shorts out the injector. It only took one failure to shut
> down the engine, but 3 of the 6 injectors were bad.
>
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:29:18 -0700
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeff.schwartz@citicorp.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: power dip as soon as car moves for first time

Hi,

  I have noticed the same thing and finally figured out what it is.
The only difference is that my ABS light is not on.  When the car
moves forward or reverse for the first time after starting it.  The
ABS does a diagnostic on all 4 wheels which requires a lot of current. 
This is what dips the electrical system for about 1 second.  I see
the same thing happen if it's night time and my head lamps are turned
on before moving.  If your ABS light is on, you might have some other
problem, but the electrical dip is normal initally.
- --
Jeff Schwartz
1995 Panama Green Pearl VR4
Borla and K&N FIPK


Marc Jaffe wrote:
>
> hey guys,
> I have a bizzare problem,   as soon as the car (95 vr4) moves forward or
> back a few feet after
> starting it, whether the first time or as a test over and over,the power
> dips down. the head lights dip and the electrical system
> seems to take a dip also. it comes back and is fine the rest of the trip...
> Any ideas?
> weak battery?
> charging system?
> some controller?
> it almost seems that it is during the diagnostic sequence..
> BTW My anti lock break light is on full time due to a faulty motor relay. i
> have not had a chance to get to this yet
> any connection?
> thanx
> Marc
>
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:41:32 -0500
From: S J Cowan <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gasoline and Injectors

Todd:

>A 10% ethanol solution is
>supposed to
>be safe, and gets you ~3 points of octane. I also think it's a much
>better
>additive than a lot of the other oxygenating agents they add to gas.

<snip>

>I think
>it's
>called MTBE

Our owner's manual warns not to use gasoline with this form of petroleum
based additive in it.  Here in Milwaukee, that's Amoco Ultimate.   Our
local governing body determined it's just too polluted here, so we are
required to use what is termed "reformulated" gasoline.  It's crap.  I
run Techron through the system every quarter to stay on top of it.
However, my VR4 ran markedly better with Mobil gasoline that uses Ethanol
versus the Amoco and MTBE.

Regards,

Scott
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:01:47 -0500
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject: Team3S: ACT clutch problem

Hey everyone,

I've got a question about the ACT clutch I bought for my 95 R/T TT.  I'm
having my dealer do the install right now.  I just got off the phone with
the dealer who says the tech that is installing the clutch doesn't think the
plate is designed well.  He says there is 16 rivits put into one side and
only 2 on the other side.  I am not a clutch expert so I'm not sure what
that means.  I need some emergency advice from anyone who has an ACT clutch
or knows about clutches in general.  Is this the way it is suppose to be
designed or maybe the plate is defective.  I might give ACT a call to, but I
want to shoot the question out to you guys too.  Please e-mail me privatly
with your wisdom, and hurry.  I've got to make a decsion in the next two
hours.

Thanks,
Curt G
95 R/T TT
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:27:59 -0500
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject: Team3S: FW: ACT clutch problem

O.K.  Nevermind my last e-mail.  I just talked to the ACT tech support.
Sounds like they missed some rivits on the disk (not the plate like I
mentioned below)  So ACT is going to overnight a new disk to the dealership.
Kudos to the tech at Wayzata Mitsu that noticed the defect and kudos to the
nice tech support people at ACT.  So if your in midstream on typing me out
and e-mail, you don't have to now.  :)

Thanks guys!!
Curt G
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gendron, Curt
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 12:02 PM
> To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
> Subject: ACT clutch problem
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I've got a question about the ACT clutch I bought for my 95 R/T TT.  I'm
> having my dealer do the install right now.  I just got off the phone with
> the dealer who says the tech that is installing the clutch doesn't think
> the plate is designed well.  He says there is 16 rivits put into one side
> and only 2 on the other side.  I am not a clutch expert so I'm not sure
> what that means.  I need some emergency advice from anyone who has an ACT
> clutch or knows about clutches in general.  Is this the way it is suppose
> to be designed or maybe the plate is defective.  I might give ACT a call
> to, but I want to shoot the question out to you guys too.  Please e-mail
> me privatly with your wisdom, and hurry.  I've got to make a decsion in
> the next two hours.
>
> Thanks,
> Curt G
> 95 R/T TT
> and author of Minnesota 3/S at:
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/
>
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:36:13 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gasoline and Injectors

At 11:08 AM 5/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Are you sure you're thinking of ethanol eating parts?

Here in Iowa, it's ethanol, and it's made from corn.

I remember goin' to school in Alabama, where they made white lightning from
corn.
In fact, up on Sand Mountain, outside of Huntsville, they would measure the
corn yield in gallons per acre, not in bushels.

Rich/old poop
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:10:32 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Stock head flow rates

Does anybody have a set of stock head flow numbers for VR-4? any year will do.
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:26:51 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Stock head flow rates

Reprinted without permission :)

Valve Intake Exhaust
lift
0.100" 86 80
0.200" 165 164
0.300" 230 191
0.400" 246 195
0.500" 249 196
0.600" 251 196

> Brad
Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


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[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Aso8@aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 3:11 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Stock head flow rates

Does anybody have a set of stock head flow numbers for VR-4? any year will
do.
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sam_Wong@hyperdream.com
Subject: Team3S: Problems with my Getrag

Hi all.

I have the dreaded worn output shaft problem on my Stealth AWD transmission.
My warranty company did not want to pay for a new transmission and transfer
case.  Instead, they approved my mechanic to buy the parts from a San Diego
shop called MD Auto.  Their address is 6460 85 Convoy Court, San Diego,
California.  Phone number is (619)390-0450.  I was told that they fix
Stealth/VR-4 Getrags all the time.

After hearing all the problems with locating Getrag parts, is it possible
that we just sent our money to a shop that doesn't have the correct parts?
I'm quite skeptical that they would have it when no one else (except Kormex)
would have it.

If someone living in San Diego is interested in confirming that this shop
fixes 3S Getrags all the time and has the right parts, or if someone knows
anything about this shop, please let me know.

Thanks,
Sam.
3SI Member #0269

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:08:15 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Problems with my Getrag

At 02:05 PM 5/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>
>I have the dreaded worn output shaft problem on my Stealth AWD transmission.
>My warranty company did not want to pay for a new transmission and transfer
>case.  Instead, they approved my mechanic to buy the parts from a San Diego
>shop called MD Auto. 

They will learn. My warranty company wanted to take my car to AAMCO to get
the Getrag fixed.
"They fix those transmissions all the time, " they said.
Yeah, right. Ask MD Auto to order the parts first. See how far they get.
When MD Auto comes back and admits they can't get the parts and don't fix
OUR transmissions, then the warranty company will have to go to the dealer,
like mine did.

The neat thing about getting a new tranny is that it comes with a 12-month
warranty on top of the extended warranty.

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:02:12 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: Team3S: starnet

FYI, those of you that subscribed to starnet may know it has gone down. if
anyone is interested, a new list has been created to replace it at
http://3000gt_stealth.listbot.com.

Omar
92 r/t


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:45:56 -0500
From: "Bill Davis" <wjdavis@inlink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Problems with my Getrag

Sam,

Not to be too negative, but I think if there were a shop
anywhere on this continent that fixed 6 speed Getrags
"ALL THE TIME", we would know about it.
Tell them to get the parts first.

Bill Davis 95 VR-4

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Sam_Wong@hyperdream.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 4:05 PM
Subject: Team3S: Problems with my Getrag


> Hi all.
>
> I have the dreaded worn output shaft problem on my Stealth AWD
transmission.
> My warranty company did not want to pay for a new transmission and
transfer
> case.  Instead, they approved my mechanic to buy the parts from a San
Diego
> shop called MD Auto.  Their address is 6460 85 Convoy Court, San Diego,
> California.  Phone number is (619)390-0450.  I was told that they fix
> Stealth/VR-4 Getrags all the time.
>
> After hearing all the problems with locating Getrag parts, is it possible
> that we just sent our money to a shop that doesn't have the correct parts?
> I'm quite skeptical that they would have it when no one else (except
Kormex)
> would have it.
>
> If someone living in San Diego is interested in confirming that this shop
> fixes 3S Getrags all the time and has the right parts, or if someone knows
> anything about this shop, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam.
> 3SI Member #0269
>
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:57:45 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

Sam_Wong@hyperdream.com wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I have the dreaded worn output shaft problem on my Stealth AWD transmission.
> My warranty company did not want to pay for a new transmission and transfer
> case.  Instead, they approved my mechanic to buy the parts from a San Diego
> shop called MD Auto.  Their address is 6460 85 Convoy Court, San Diego,
> California.  Phone number is (619)390-0450.  I was told that they fix
> Stealth/VR-4 Getrags all the time.
>
> After hearing all the problems with locating Getrag parts, is it possible
> that we just sent our money to a shop that doesn't have the correct parts?
> I'm quite skeptical that they would have it when no one else (except Kormex)
> would have it.
>
> If someone living in San Diego is interested in confirming that this shop
> fixes 3S Getrags all the time and has the right parts, or if someone knows
> anything about this shop, please let me know.

I just got off the phone with Mike at MD Auto.  This is for real.  He
has been rebuilding Getrags for *** 4 *** years.  He said a lot of Mitsu
& Dodge dealers and aftermarket warranty companies know about him and
use him.

Prices:
$2695 for rebuilt tranny & rebuilt transfer case, I didn't ask for
seperate prices
  $500 core charge
~$200 round trip shipping to Atlantic coast

He uses new parts.  Although he wouldn't devulge his sources, he did say
they use new bearings (I forgot the name but they're from France).  They
use new synchro's although they only replace the bad ones, they use
Mitsu seals, they also do the 18 or 25 spline shafts.  He said that you
cannot replace a small 18 spline shaft with the larger 25 spline shaft
since the hole in the case is a different size.  I forgot to ask if the
shafts they use are of better quality than the original.  I also didn't
ask if they just sell parts.

Shipping takes two boxes because of weight.  He said tranny alone is
about 120 lbs.  They use UPS.  They put the tranny in a plastic bag, put
it in a box, then fill the box with foam.  You are supposed to send back
the cores in the same boxes.

He is faxing me some literature as I write this.  Send me your questions
and I'll phone him again soon.

Ken,

P.S.  Sam, it looks like your warranty company is instructing your
mechanic to buy the rebuilt parts and he will just do the removal &
re-installation.

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Ken Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:10:09 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

> Although it will make hardly any difference, consider painting both the
> rotor and caliper flat black. As we all know, black radiates more heat then
> does yellow or red or silver.

Check out the rotors and you'll see that there is only a little surface you can
paint unless you considered painting the rotors surface (gulp). Also the area of
the calipers is too small to transfer heat.

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:06:37 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Can I do it myself?

> > 1.  Is this something that can be tackled by someone with reasonable
> > mechanical ability?

You must be familiar with the timing on our cars to avoid any mistake and big
problems due to an error.

> > 3.  I was told by a tech at Nexus that if the belt was not
> > changed by 72,000 miles, there is a good chance it would have broken by now.

60k is what Mitsu says it's the min. livetime of the belt. If it breaks at 61k
you're too late :(

> My car has a hair over 80k miles on it. The timing belt never broke, and i
> didn't see any signs of it doing so.

No, you'll probably see only the signs after it broke. It's like playing russian
roulette :) The longer you drive the more the chance that it brakes.

> > 4.  Is the Borla system an easy bolt on, and is it worth changing?

Easy bolt on yes, but not worth changing.

> > I have seen some opinions that it really does not help unless you are
> > upgrading turbo's and fuel system. I have to admit I would do it anyway
> > just for the sound.

True facts on my webpage (dyno sessions). The exhaust does only help in the
higher rpm if any and you'll loose some power in the lower band. It sounds good
around 4000 and more but is damn annyoing when crusing around between 2000 and
3000. The problems are the mufflers that are way too small. I started to hate it
!

> Wouldn't know about that. But most people seem to be happy with it. It's a
> step in the right direction on the upgrade path ;)Every little bit adds up

No ! The exhaust is the wrong path. You will do a lot mods and spending $$$
before doing the exhaust.
This is fact ! Even more without a boost controller changing the exhaust will
give you more loss in the low end.
The correct path is : filter, boost controller, regapping plugs, fuel pump,
injectors, A/F controller, turbos, exhaust, intercooler, and more. Gutting the
pre-cats does help more than any exhaust.

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
K&N FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi AFC,HKS SBOV,
ATR DP/testpipe,Borla Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:31:12 -0500
From: "CEnder (Chris Chiasson)" <cender@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **

maybe this guy could build us a better tranny that fit stock specs, but that
wouldn't break as much --- special metals.... titanium/carbon fiber... etc


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; The Browns <mabs@cts.com>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 5:57 PM
Subject: Team3S: ** Getrag Info **


> Sam_Wong@hyperdream.com wrote:
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I have the dreaded worn output shaft problem on my Stealth AWD
transmission.
> > My warranty company did not want to pay for a new transmission and
transfer
> > case.  Instead, they approved my mechanic to buy the parts from a San
Diego
> > shop called MD Auto.  Their address is 6460 85 Convoy Court, San Diego,
> > California.  Phone number is (619)390-0450.  I was told that they fix
> > Stealth/VR-4 Getrags all the time.
> >
> > After hearing all the problems with locating Getrag parts, is it
possible
> > that we just sent our money to a shop that doesn't have the correct
parts?
> > I'm quite skeptical that they would have it when no one else (except
Kormex)
> > would have it.
> >
> > If someone living in San Diego is interested in confirming that this
shop
> > fixes 3S Getrags all the time and has the right parts, or if someone
knows
> > anything about this shop, please let me know.
>
> I just got off the phone with Mike at MD Auto.  This is for real.  He
> has been rebuilding Getrags for *** 4 *** years.  He said a lot of Mitsu
> & Dodge dealers and aftermarket warranty companies know about him and
> use him.
>
> Prices:
> $2695 for rebuilt tranny & rebuilt transfer case, I didn't ask for
> seperate prices
>   $500 core charge
> ~$200 round trip shipping to Atlantic coast
>
> He uses new parts.  Although he wouldn't devulge his sources, he did say
> they use new bearings (I forgot the name but they're from France).  They
> use new synchro's although they only replace the bad ones, they use
> Mitsu seals, they also do the 18 or 25 spline shafts.  He said that you
> cannot replace a small 18 spline shaft with the larger 25 spline shaft
> since the hole in the case is a different size.  I forgot to ask if the
> shafts they use are of better quality than the original.  I also didn't
> ask if they just sell parts.
>
> Shipping takes two boxes because of weight.  He said tranny alone is
> about 120 lbs.  They use UPS.  They put the tranny in a plastic bag, put
> it in a box, then fill the box with foam.  You are supposed to send back
> the cores in the same boxes.
>
> He is faxing me some literature as I write this.  Send me your questions
> and I'll phone him again soon.
>
> Ken,
>
> P.S.  Sam, it looks like your warranty company is instructing your
> mechanic to buy the rebuilt parts and he will just do the removal &
> re-installation.
>
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> How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost!
>
> Ken Middaugh
> General Atomics
> San Diego
> (619) 455-4510
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:21:59 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

> Check out the rotors and you'll see that there is only a little
> surface you can
> paint unless you considered painting the rotors surface (gulp).
> Also the area of
> the calipers is too small to transfer heat.

just brainstorming ;)
i thought the rotor discs are sort of "hollow" from the inside to help air
carry heat away?
couldn't the inside surfaces of the rotor be painted? (in the middle of the
actual disc, between the braking surfaces. At least that's what i thought it
looked like last time i had my wheel off. I could be wrong. please let me
know if i am.

diagraphical (is that a word?) aid:
rotor as seen from straight ahead, simplified:

  ||
  ||
  ||
  \/
__  __
||  ||
||  ||
||__||
||--||
||  ||
||__||
||--||
||  ||
||__||
||--||
||  ||
||  ||
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 00:15:07 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gasoline and Injectors

Well, I can't give you a definitive answer on the formulation of BP
fuel but I can offer my seat of the pants experience.

In the KY & Ohio area we have limited quality fuel choices. In KY we
have what's fondly called reformulated fuel for pollution reasons. BP
is the major player here. Over the past four cars I drive and the
common ones we own I find Shell to be the poorest excuse for gas
available from the big manufacturers. Poor mileage, mediocre
performance, and plug build up.
BP may be OK for the family truckster, but both my 93SL and 96 VR4
aren't happy with it. Again poor mileage and marginal performance
consistency. Haven't pulled the plugs in the VR4 yet.

The Sunoco runs consistently better, I see very little soot blowing
out when I hit the power which I did see with a tank of BP. It costs
more but I don't see much other alternative. Only other players are
Marathon and Citco.

Ron
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