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Team3S Digest          Saturday, May 1 1999          Volume 01 : Number 167




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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:14:12 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply

One transmissions on my '94 before so much as an air filter, one after a
boost controller and basic upgrades.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----

<snip>

> One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission
> failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
> stock.  Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.
>
>
> Dave

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:53:43 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply

> I've been fortunate and not had my getrag transmission die on
> me yet.  Of course, I only have 35,000 miles on the car, so

> One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission
> failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
> stock.  Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.
>
>
> Dave


Dave,
Mine started it's death descent at 20K, with the only mod being a K&N FIPK
at the time.  The dealer quickly agreed it needed replaced and gave me no
problems doing it under warranty (Peachtree Mitsubishi in Atlanta).  They
are insisting that it's not a common problem and it's only the second one
they've ever done.  As long as they replace it I don't care what they say.
I would like to mention that amid all the horror stories I hear about Mitsu,
this dealer has been great.  Didn't buy the car from them, but have had it
there numerous times for nitpicky items.  They've always been prompt,
courteous and competent.

Michael


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:31:13 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

But it worked really well.  Could blow your compressed air. in
>to their. or replace the AC compressor, and blow air through it.  Blowing
10deg C air
>across the rotors... now that would cool em off.  You could run it
continuous too.  It
>was amazingly efficient.  Theoretically you could produce _very_ cold air
like this.
>The one we made was about 14" tall made -10C..  Just think what you could
do with 10ft.
>
I can't think of where we would put something 14 in. tall anywhere near the
brakes.

What you should do is try to figure out a way to build it so it would cool
down air before it enters an intercooler. Then you might have something you
could sell to racers and make a buck or two.

Thanks for the input. ALL ideas are good.

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:22:08 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

> Standard systems produce air that’s 50° F below the factory air
>you’re using. Each has a 1 /4 9 NPT male air inlet connection, requires air
>pressure of 80 to 110 psi, and uses 15 scfm at 100 psi.
>That's seems like a lot of air and would need a pretty good sized tank.
>
Oops. Looks like a 90 psi racer's air tank would last about 10 seconds.
Well, it was an idea, anyway. That's what this list is all about.
Thanks for finding the info. Still, 50 deg below ambient -- that's pretty
dang cold!

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:25:56 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars

>I have a big list of midwest events from a buddy.  Next Road America is
may 8-9 Chicago
>Windy City BMW club

Damn! I won't have my Porterfields yet.


; May 19-20, July 3-4, Aug 14-15 TrackTime events;  Aug 16-17 Viper
>club; July 29-30 Nord Stern Porsche (Minnesota club)

This Porsche club event in July looks good. Do you have a contact name/number?


; etc.  Also alot at Gingerman,

What's Gingerman? Sounds like a sandwich.

>Blackhawk, etc etc.

Blackhawk is the closest to me. Got more info on dates and clubs?
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:43 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply

At 12:13 AM 4/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I've been fortunate and not had my getrag transmission die on me yet.  Of
course, I only have 35,000 miles on the car, so I've got my fingers crossed
that no problems will develop for plenty more miles.

You have about 15-25,000 miles left. Pray that it goes whilst you have a
warranty to cover it. You might consider helping it along in case your
warranty is ready to expire. If your warranty has expired, buy an
aftermarket extended warranty.
>
>All the stories I hear about transmissions failing and the incredible
expense of getting a replacement make me think that a class action lawsuit
against mitsu and/or getrag might be the only recourse to the transmission
parts issue.

There is one pending somewhere. I think it was over on the dead stealth net
list.
>
>One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission failures are
occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs. stock.  Maybe this
transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.

It doesn't seem to matter. At 50-60,000 miles, it just goes. Kinda like the
timing belt.
>
Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:01:43 -0400
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Must Sell Ross Pistons

I have one set of Custom Ross Racing Pistons for a 3000GT or Stealth TT for
sale.  They are of the stock 8.0:1 compression variety.  They are .030 over
stock bore.  They are brand new in the box with rings, pins, and all tech
sheets from ross.  These pistons are the absolute best pistons available for
our cars.  Retail value is well over $1500.........  will sell for $950.
Visa and Mastercard accepted.

Matt
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:14:52 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Must Sell Ross Pistons

What is it about the Ross pistons that you feel make them better than say
JE?  At 150% the retail price of JEs they must be something special.

What ring design do they use?  What sort of pin and retainer arrangement?

Just curious since most so far have opted for JE.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> I have one set of Custom Ross Racing Pistons for a 3000GT or
> Stealth TT for
> sale.  They are of the stock 8.0:1 compression variety.  They are
> .030 over
> stock bore.  They are brand new in the box with rings, pins, and all tech
> sheets from ross.  These pistons are the absolute best pistons
> available for
> our cars.  Retail value is well over $1500.........  will sell for $950.
> Visa and Mastercard accepted.
>
> Matt
> www.AcceleratedAccessories.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:54:03 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!

>> new ones, but it is a real pain that its so often necessary.  I think
that
>> warp-free rotors could be made for our cars if someone thought
>> it was a profitable venture.


>Within the last week and a half, two rotors were mentioned that seem
>strong and won't warp.  George Koa says he is running Porterfield non
>cross drilled rotors (Porterfield also has cryo treatment as an
>option).  Dave (who recently broke the KVR rotor with Brad's Porsche
>caliper upgrade) said he is now running non cross drilled Wagner
>(Warner??) rotors.  Both guys punish their brakes and are very happy
>with these rotors.  They are both about the price of stock Mitsu rotors.

Ken-
Sounds good.  Do they require new calipers when installed on
VR4s ?  Anyone got an address or phone no. for  Porterfields
or an outfit that sells them?
Regards, ptg
Regard
>How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost!
>
>Ken Middaugh
>General Atomics
>San Diego
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:53:52 -0800
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Team3S: Shelby Events - Was: VPC on 94+ cars

Rich:

What???  Shelby (SAAC) has let the PNW contingent
participate in their events (open track, P.I.R.) for years.
Some of us are even Shelby members, myself included, even
though none of us have Shelby's but rather 3S cars.

This sounds suspiciously like a "local" issue for your
area.

Rich
- ----------------------------------------------
Merritt wrote:
>
> Dr. Jack, you are a hoot!
>
> Any events coming up at Road America in the near future? I can't find any
> except for the Shelby-American club, and they don't let us in.
>
> Rich/old poop

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:57:55 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Air brakes

Further reflection on recent posts about cooling compressed air raises
another possibility: Why can't we use some of this advanced cooling
technology in the brake air ducts?

Consider this: I am gathering air from a 1x4 in. scoop at speeds up to 125
mph, and funneling it into a 2.5 in. dia round hose that leads directly to
the center of the rotor (well, as close as I can get. It actually comes in
directly behind the caliper). This air oughta be under pretty high
pressure, because I'm having a devil of a time keeping the ends of the
hoses pointed at the rotors. I can't tell if it's wheel movement or air
pressure that keeps moving the hoses, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was
the air. I am going to fabricate another bracket that will anchor those
suckers in there.

But I digress.

Now suppose we installed some sort of air cooling mechanism, such as the
venturi cooler used in instrument enclosures,  or the technology described
by Andrew Billiant, to cool the pressurized air further.

We probably don't  have the 100 psi that the venturis need to drop 50 deg
from ambient, but if we could adapt the principle involved, we should be
able to cool the air considerably.

I don't pretend to understand Andrew's technology, so I'll leave it up to
him as to figure out how it might work.

Maybe just funneling the outlet down to a narrow oval shape would cool the
air.

All of this would have to fit into a 2.5 in. dia hose, unless we cooled it
at the scoop, where there is a little more room.

Ideas, anyone? Any aerodynamic specialists out there?

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:01:34 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply

Wished I (and I know others) could have gotten that kind of mileage out of my tranny.  First replacement at 4,200 miles; 2nd replacement at 47,000 miles; 3rd (rebuilt) at 84,000 miles.  If mine had lasted for 50-60,000 miles I'd be much happier.  I'm running a completely stock VR-4 too.
- --

On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:43   Merritt wrote:
>At 12:13 AM 4/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>I've been fortunate and not had my getrag transmission die on me yet.  Of
>course, I only have 35,000 miles on the car, so I've got my fingers crossed
>that no problems will develop for plenty more miles.
>
>You have about 15-25,000 miles left. Pray that it goes whilst you have a
>warranty to cover it. You might consider helping it along in case your
>warranty is ready to expire. If your warranty has expired, buy an
>aftermarket extended warranty.
>>
>>All the stories I hear about transmissions failing and the incredible
>expense of getting a replacement make me think that a class action lawsuit
>against mitsu and/or getrag might be the only recourse to the transmission
>parts issue.
>
>There is one pending somewhere. I think it was over on the dead stealth net
>list.
>>
>>One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission failures are
>occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs. stock.  Maybe this
>transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.
>
>It doesn't seem to matter. At 50-60,000 miles, it just goes. Kinda like the
>timing belt.
>>
>Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:04:15 -0700
From: Yoss <yoss@aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Shelby Events - Was: VPC on 94+ cars

On Apr 30, Rich Leroy said:
> Rich:
>
> What???  Shelby (SAAC) has let the PNW contingent
> participate in their events (open track, P.I.R.) for years.
> Some of us are even Shelby members, myself included, even
> though none of us have Shelby's but rather 3S cars.

Rich,
        One _must_ become a member of the Shelby club to participate in their
        track day events.  This isn't the case with the open-day events of
        other clubs (BMW, Porsche, Team Continental, etc.)

        Maybe this is what (the other) Rich meant about Shelby?

- -sankar

> This sounds suspiciously like a "local" issue for your
> area.
>
> Rich
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:03:01 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!

>Sounds good.  Do they require new calipers when installed on
>VR4s ? 

No.

Anyone got an address or phone no. for  Porterfields
>or an outfit that sells them?

Call Porterfield at 800-537-6842 or 949-548-4470 and ask for Tim
Tell him Rich sent you. They are cryo-ing a set of front rotors for me even
as we speak, and I want him to do a good job.

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:04:59 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Shelby Events - Was: VPC on 94+ cars

>
>What???  Shelby (SAAC) has let the PNW contingent
>participate in their events (open track, P.I.R.) for years.

Maybe that's because they have trouble filling up their event.
Around here, they have zillions of entrants.
Also, I am quoting hearsay. Maybe you are absolutely right and my source is
wrong.
I'll look into it.

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:05:49 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply

> One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission
> failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
> stock.  Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.

A friend of mine has destroyed three with zero modifications to his car on a
'91 VR4 and he hasn't driven it that hard after the first one went.

- -Matt

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:27:29 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tranny Reliability

I have a heavily modified (over 400 HP) 3SI and I'm still on my first tranny
with over 78K miles....Go figure...Maybe it was assembled on a day when all
of the workers got laid the night before and decided..."what the heck..lets
build ONE right " :)


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth


>> One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission
>> failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
>> stock.  Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.
>
>A friend of mine has destroyed three with zero modifications to his car on
a
>'91 VR4 and he hasn't driven it that hard after the first one went.
>
>-Matt


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:28:49 -0600
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny Reliability

Hey my car must of been built on the same day as yours :)
Its weird how sex changes a persons mood the next day heheh.

92 3000 GTO MMC
500 H.P. of Fun
Plates (HIPRESR)
(303) 689-4733


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Young [mailto:jefyoung@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 10:27 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Tranny Reliability


I have a heavily modified (over 400 HP) 3SI and I'm still on my first tranny
with over 78K miles....Go figure...Maybe it was assembled on a day when all
of the workers got laid the night before and decided..."what the heck..lets
build ONE right " :)


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth


>> One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission
>> failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
>> stock.  Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.
>
>A friend of mine has destroyed three with zero modifications to his car on
a
>'91 VR4 and he hasn't driven it that hard after the first one went.
>
>-Matt


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:33:11 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trannies was Where's Mitsu? -Reply

Merritt wrote:

snip

You have about 15-25,000 miles left. Pray that it goes whilst you have a ..

snip

This seems to be the norm  although it is not exclusive, and some (I would assume more
conservative drivers) have a lot more k's on their tranny and are still truckin. Now
here is the question. What else, if anything besides the synchros, goes on these
trannies when reports of replacement occur?  Is this by far the standard, or is there a
whole pile of other problems that begin to crop up?

Best

Darc ...still original tranny ...92 TT

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:55:01 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: More rotors

> Sounds good.  Do they require new calipers when installed on
> VR4s ?  Anyone got an address or phone no. for  Porterfields
> or an outfit that sells them?

Hi Paul,

Rich just mentioned that they work with the stock calipers so I know I'm
redunant for mentioning.  They are just aftermarket replacements though.

Dave mentioned that he got his Wagner (but they might be Warner??)
rotors from a local parts dealer.  However, I think the cryogenically
treated Porterfield's might be the best low cost rotor option
currently.  Also, I made a mistake -- George is running cross drilled
rotors (but probably not cryo treated).  Here are the prices again:

Porterfield
91-93 front rotors $79 each
94+ front rotors $99
cryogenic treatment $40
cross drilled $50

It sounds like Rich and Dave give the most punishment to rotors since
they are attending track events and routinely brake from 120+ mph.  They
are the only two folks that have snapped/broken rotors completely.  Dave
should be inflicting the most punishment though since he has the big
Porsche caliper upgrade with Pagid pads from Brad Bedal.  Soooo, the
Wagner (or Warner) is currently the best proven low cost rotor to date.

Decisions, decisions... :).  Good luck,
Ken
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:15:10 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars

Jack,

Your point is well taken!

Mike also replied to me personally.  I think that this service is worth
paying for and the provider should be compensated.  As long as it is
available to me at a reasonable price, which it is through Mike at
Altered Atmosphere, I can't ask for more.  I now urge you not to make
the pinouts public so as to protect Mike's business opportunity as long
as possible.  Mike has indicated that he can modify a VPC for 94+ use on
new one's that he sells, or can provide the conversion if folks already
have one or bought one used.  I didn't quite understand this from his
first post.  This is great news for 94+ owners.

So, who is working on those brake backing plates with cooling duct
attachments/hose barbs... ;) ?

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 00:35:07 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Air brakes

>
> technology described
> by Andrew Billiant, to cool the pressurized air further.
> I don't pretend to understand Andrew's technology, so I'll leave it up to
> him as to figure out how it might work.

I have a suspicion that a device that is some sort of convection tower with cool air
fallling and hot air rising will not work with any sort of (50-160mph) winds flying
around the underside/wheelwell area of a car.  I also have a suspicion that the actual
COOLING ABILITY in terms of HEAT REMOVED TOTAL as expressed, for instance, in BTU's, of
such a rather passive (sounding) device are not of a magnitude to effect significant
cooling of 12" steel rotors which are turning cherry red trying to dissipate 100 to 250
hp worth of heat EACH ROTOR in front...

Brake ducts to the inside aspect of the wheel are good and I sure will be trying to make
some sometime.
Jack T.

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:50:48 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trannies was Where's Mitsu? -Reply

From my data gathering and PERSONAL experience it's:
#1 - Synchro's
#2 - Tranny Output shaft shearing (told this is casued by the AWD viscous coupling keeping constant back and forth pressure on the splines, casuing them to shear - and when that happens, throw in another $1,600 for a transfer case)
#3 - Leaks - seals going bad both internally / externally

- --

On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:33:11   wce wrote:
>
>
>Merritt wrote:
>
>snip
>
>You have about 15-25,000 miles left. Pray that it goes whilst you have a ..
>
>snip
>
>This seems to be the norm  although it is not exclusive, and some (I would assume more
>conservative drivers) have a lot more k's on their tranny and are still truckin. Now
>here is the question. What else, if anything besides the synchros, goes on these
>trannies when reports of replacement occur?  Is this by far the standard, or is there a
>whole pile of other problems that begin to crop up?
>
>Best
>
>Darc ...still original tranny ...92 TT
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:58:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

Has anyone crunched any numbers to figure out exactly how much heat we're
talking about trying to get rid of?  If so, please let me know what your
results are.  Thanks.

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:39:02 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars

Can we please some pics, especially of the hood?  Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: xwing [mailto:xwing@execpc.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 10:27 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars



Ken Middaugh wrote:

> xwing wrote:
> > 1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat,
VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
> > 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior
except spare and jack.  Geez.
>
> Great time Jack!
> I asked Mike of Altered Atmosphere last week but didn't
get an answer
> yet so I'll ask you too.  What does it take to install a
VPC on a 94+
> car?  Do you hardwire it?  Do you snip off the VPC's
connector and
> install a new one?  Do you make a short converter harness
to mate with
> the VPC and the ECU (??) connector?
>
> It would be great if a pin-out diagram could be placed on
the 3si &
> 3000gt web pages.  It would also be great if someone
(Mike??) could make
> and sell a low cost converter so one wouldn't have to
butcher the VPC.
>
> Maybe this info isn't forthcoming because you guys want to
hold on to
> your advantage ;), hmmm?

mmmMMOOOHHHOHOHHHHhhhahhhahhaahhhhahaahhhhhh!
Does anybody remember Daystrom, the guy on that original
Star Trek
episode, who built the M5 computer to run the ship but it
went wild and
destroyed innocents, and Daystrom went mad himself?
hehehe.
It is doable.  I've done it, I'm not magical.  Mike Mahaffey
has done it and
can do it for people.  It is a question to me, whether to
say how because
it DID take me about a week in off hours, late nights, all
the while talking to
Barry King, Jeff Wong, Tom  in Idaho, Mike M, etc on MIRC
trying to keep my mouth
shut like that mathematics wizard who solved Fermat's last
theorum with 7 years
of work all in secret from his best friends...to go through
all the wiring
diagrams on Vineet Singh's 3S CD-ROM manual
masterpiece...there
were problems along the way, like some diagrams  you can't
read all the
numbers, on some the numbers are just plain WRONG!!!!!, the
way you
look at the connectors/diagrams was trippy and cost me DAYS
of
wasted time and several wiring mistakes that just didn't
work but
fortunately didn't melt anything!

If I hadn't had a GCC I probably would have given up.  There
is a clue
in the GCC that told me what was missing/what was different
but not where
to get it FROM, nor whether it could be gotten...I had to
crossreference to the Stealth
diagrams some of which are better quality reproductions.  In
the end it
is not hard to effect the mods, but if it was so EASY then
HK$ could have been selling these
damned things to 1994-1999 cars, since 1994 !

So, I'd say buy your VPC's from Mike Mahaffey and be happy.
I bet his prices are just fine.
Or, you could send me $50 and I'll tell you how.  Or, all
hundreds of us could pool $ together

to send me the $50 and then I'll blab.  Or, I could have
pissed somebody off enough
by now that they do it themselves...or don't...but they feel
my pain!  I gave you the GCC
clue!  Knowing it CAN be done makes it easier, a matter of
TIME not POSSIBILITY.
I had no certainty it would work; only HK$'s years of NOT
making one to say it would NOT.
Since HK$ told me way back in 1994 the VPC didn't work right
even on 91-93 cars
and they sold me mine ONLY on the proviso that "When it
doesn't work, you promise
not to try to make us take it back!" but it was a key to the
car's high-boost performance--I
had
a thought line that said it probably could be made to work.
So, chancing melting the
ECU, tapping and splicing various wires (mostly because of
the stupid diagrams/way
they talk about connectors) I got it to work.  THAT was a
Eureka!  I was sure I
had it several times before that; several heart-rending
failures; it was the last try.
(Picture the Wailing, the Gnashing of Teeth, the Blood,
Sweat, and Tears!)
I must be allowed at least a day or several to gloat and act
secretive, that is one of the
best parts of the Secret Speed Tricks Game!
hhhehehheheehehhe...

Oh I suppose if one got a VPC  USED one wouldn't buy from
Mike, so I may come clean
about it soon.  BUT let me say, there is no reason NOT to
buy it from Mike assuming
the price is reasonable unless people have something (odd)
against somebody making a go
of it selling parts for our cars YET NOT ripping some people
off.

I haven't the time to do such a business justice, so I am
happy when others do stuff; like
having Dave Buschur have SFI certified harmonic balancers
made for our cars (they should
be ready soon, supposedly; Bushcur Racing said about 2 weeks
ago).  I bought the carbon
hood from GT Alley--before they closed up and burned Todd
Shelton and Roger Gerl.  I'd say
buy the VPC's from Mike Mahaffey and be happy.  In the end,
we have a greater chance of
success and neat parts in the FUTURE if we support those who
support us NOW...Pick up
some RC 720cc injectors and a GCC from him while you're at
it.  No reason NOT to use them, and
then you are wide open/almost unlimited capability.  Or,
550-560's...used; then wouldn't lose
money
if sold them someday for 720's.  You DO need GCC to run
720's, but do NOT need GCC for 550/560

which saves alot of money upfront.  For sure, I'd support
Mike/Altered Atmospheres,
Frank/Accelerated,
Chien/Nexus, ?Brad Bedell Performance Unlimited?,  as they
actually INTERACT with us here
sometimes!
(hope I didn't forget anybody)...

Whoa what a rant this turned out to be.  Most of it self
congratulatory crappo!  Oh well.
I am going to put bigger turbos on this car so I can kick
more [insert any other car make]
ass around any block I so choose.
mmmOOOHOOOHHOHHAhahahhahahhhhhhhhhh!
"Somebody Stop Me", eh Rich?

Our cars sure are neat.

Jack Tertadian





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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:44:17 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

>Has anyone crunched any numbers to figure out exactly how much heat we're
>talking about trying to get rid of?  If so, please let me know what your
>results are.  Thanks.
>

As a rough approximation It's going to take roughly the same energy to stop it as it
did to get it going. According to the dyno results the peak HP is about 180 KW at
the wheels.  About 150 to 200 KW is probably a good guess [ you can stop faster
than you can accelerate ]. At any rate that's the heat output from 1500 good sized
light bulbs. It's also the reason they glow almost a yellow  when heavily loaded.

Jim Berry                    ------93     "arrest me red" Stealth  TT -----
                   SSBC @  1.0 BAR, K&N FIPK, Magnecore wire, NGK @ .034
                             G--Tech    0 --60  4.75 sec.    1/4  13.3 @ 110
                                               [ suspension mods next ]

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:12:50 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Team3S: steering linkage puller

I'm halfway through a clutch replacement in a friend's garage.  I
couldn't get the picklefork tool to separate the ball joints, so I
special ordered the special tool from miller special tools a couple
weeks ago.  It was on backorder and I said fine, ship it next day when
it gets in .  Today its still on backorder, for at least a couple more
weeks.  Argh!

Does anyone on the list have a MB990635 (superseded by MB991113)
steering linkage puller that they could loan me?  I'll pay the shipping
and an extra $20 for your trouble.  Or if someone can provide a tip how
to get the ball joint separated with widely available tools, that would
also be a big help.

Thanks,

Dave



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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: More rotors

I dropped by Porterfield yesterday to pick up some Motul brake fluids.
I asked about my rotors and found out they WEREN'T cryo treated.. they
told me they only sell 3 brands of rotors (couldnt remember the names)
and they claim the rotors they sell are better than stock.. I might get
back on the tracks after I debug all the minor problems with the car..
then I'll report how these rotors hold up..

George

- --- Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com> wrote:

> currently.  Also, I made a mistake -- George is
> running cross drilled
> rotors (but probably not cryo treated). 


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:20:47 -0400
From: Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trannies was Where's Mitsu? -Reply

> >You have about 15-25,000 miles left. Pray that it goes whilst you have a ..

I bought my 94 with 54k miles on it.  Leaving the dealership I sped off and it grinded going into 2nd gear.  I bought the car on Thursday, it was in the dealer on Monday, after a weekend of showing it off.  New trans, under warranty.
After two weeks of odd problems, popping out of gear, etc, I finally figured it wasn't just me, however, before bringing it back the car broke down completely.  Kinda funny when you can move the shifter in a circle.........  The car
now has 93.5k miles and roughly 400hp.  Almost 40k miles, hard miles at that.  Until I knew better, I speed shifted with regularity, and ocasionally left the line spinning 4 tires.  I still do that at the track, usually dump clutch
launches and speed shifting.  I'm getting better at slipping it a bit, so that may be changing.  For now though, it's going fine.

Jason

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:15:21 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tranmission Idea

Guys apparently someone has posted on the 3si site that a guy had a
transmission place change his 5 speed transmission to a vette gear box while
keeping the outer shell.  I don't know enough about transmission but says he
can smoke the wheels through 3rd.  He said it would be about $3500, any
ideas? Comments?
Thanks
Joshua

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 01:08:00 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Admin: Shelby Events

Members,

Please discuss this item privately and not on the list. The dates have already
been published.

Thank you,
Roger for the Admins

> What???  Shelby (SAAC) has let the PNW contingent
> participate in their events (open track, P.I.R.) for years.
> Some of us are even Shelby members, myself included, even
> though none of us have Shelby's but rather 3S cars.


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:38:15 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes and Heat question

Although it will make hardly any difference, consider painting both the
rotor and caliper flat black. As we all know, black radiates more heat then
does yellow or red or silver.

Omar
92 r/t


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:23:13 -0600
From: "Brent & Tara Maksymiw" <brent.tara@sk.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Overboost

I ran into an overboost situation tonight during a bleeder valve install.
During the install, I must have accidentally pulled off the sense line from
the corner of the Y-pipe to the H connector.  So even though my bleeder
valve was shut, the pressure to the waste gates was straight to atmosphere.
I have an SPI boost gauge and was modulating throttle in 2nd gear to see
what the boost would be.  On my first run, the boost went to 16psi, so I
pulled over and made sure the bleeder was shut.  I couldn't see any
disconnected lines.  I then went and did another 2nd gear pull and this time
the boost went to 17psi (I never had it under WOT).  It stumbled three times
really quick before I could get my foot off of the accelerator.  It was a
stumble and not a face-through-the-windshield fuel cut.  It was probably
never over 15psi on either of the two pulls for more than two seconds.

Now the question.  What are the chances I did damage to the pistons/rings?
I have since put the sensing hose back on and the car runs fine.  No loss in
power that I could tell (other than the fact it is back down to stock
boost).

Comments please!!!!

Brent M.

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:29:00 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Overboost

Likely no damage whatsoever.  You ran into either detonation or more likely
spark blow out or some combination of both.  If your plugs are not gapped
well below the factory recommended 0.045" (and useless for high boost) then
it was no doubt the latter.  I doubt it is worth thinking about at all
unless you perceive some negative difference.

Although thisis not a desirable condition, it does take quite a bit of
prolonged abuse to kill the stock pistons as crappy as they are for mondo
boost levels.

I'd bet if you took a poll of people who have modifed their VR4s even with
just a bleeder that the vast majority would report similar experiences at
least once.

You've fixed the problem and can now go out and enjoy the extra ponies.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Now the question.  What are the chances I did damage to the pistons/rings?
> I have since put the sensing hose back on and the car runs fine.
> No loss in
> power that I could tell (other than the fact it is back down to stock
> boost).
>
> Comments please!!!!
>
> Brent M.

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 01:44:49 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: [none]

OK. i remember reading in one of the past emails about an engine flush
procedure with marvel mystery oil. does anyone know which website it's
listed on, or have the email handy?

Omar
92 r/t


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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:21:56 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Overboost

> Now the question.  What are the chances I did damage to the pistons/rings?

I'm a little bit more critical than Barry (no flame broh) as I ignored this
signs too much. I agree with Barry about the gap of the plugs as this may cause
some miss that finally interprets the ECU as knock and therefore retards the
timing heavily.

The overboost you had was not really dangerous, but I'm wondering about the
early stumbeling if the plugs are gapped correctly around 0.034. My advice : If
you regap the plugs do an easy compression test at the same time. I'm pretty
sure you have no problems but it's a good feeling to KNOW that everything is
fine. The pistons are fine for sure but the stock rings are not the best you can
get :)

Regards,
Roger

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ATR DP/testpipe,Borla Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,
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