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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:14:12 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Where's Mitsu? -Reply
One transmissions on my '94 before so much as an
air filter, one after a
boost controller and basic
upgrades.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
<snip>
> One thing I'm curious about is how
many of the transmission
> failures are occuring on heavily modified 400
HP monsters vs.
> stock. Maybe this transmission just isn't rated
for >300 HP.
>
>
> Dave
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:53:43 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply
> I've been fortunate and not had my
getrag transmission die on
> me yet. Of course, I only have 35,000
miles on the car, so
> One thing I'm curious about is how many of the
transmission
> failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters
vs.
> stock. Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300
HP.
>
>
> Dave
Dave,
Mine started it's death
descent at 20K, with the only mod being a K&N FIPK
at the time. The
dealer quickly agreed it needed replaced and gave me no
problems doing it
under warranty (Peachtree Mitsubishi in Atlanta). They
are insisting
that it's not a common problem and it's only the second one
they've ever
done. As long as they replace it I don't care what they say.
I would
like to mention that amid all the horror stories I hear about Mitsu,
this
dealer has been great. Didn't buy the car from them, but have had
it
there numerous times for nitpicky items. They've always been
prompt,
courteous and competent.
Michael
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:31:13 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
But it worked really
well. Could blow your compressed air. in
>to their. or replace the
AC compressor, and blow air through it. Blowing
10deg C
air
>across the rotors... now that would cool em off. You could run
it
continuous too. It
>was amazingly efficient.
Theoretically you could produce _very_ cold air
like this.
>The one we
made was about 14" tall made -10C.. Just think what you could
do with
10ft.
>
I can't think of where we would put something 14 in. tall
anywhere near the
brakes.
What you should do is try to figure out a
way to build it so it would cool
down air before it enters an intercooler.
Then you might have something you
could sell to racers and make a buck or
two.
Thanks for the input. ALL ideas are good.
Rich/old
poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:22:08 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
> Standard systems
produce air that’s 50° F below the factory air
>you’re using. Each has a 1
/4 9 NPT male air inlet connection, requires air
>pressure of 80 to 110
psi, and uses 15 scfm at 100 psi.
>That's seems like a lot of air and
would need a pretty good sized tank.
>
Oops. Looks like a 90 psi
racer's air tank would last about 10 seconds.
Well, it was an idea, anyway.
That's what this list is all about.
Thanks for finding the info. Still, 50
deg below ambient -- that's pretty
dang cold!
Rich/old poop/Somebody
stop me!
>
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:25:56 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars
>I have a big list of midwest events from
a buddy. Next Road America is
may 8-9 Chicago
>Windy City BMW
club
Damn! I won't have my Porterfields yet.
; May 19-20, July
3-4, Aug 14-15 TrackTime events; Aug 16-17 Viper
>club; July 29-30
Nord Stern Porsche (Minnesota club)
This Porsche club event in July looks
good. Do you have a contact name/number?
; etc. Also alot at
Gingerman,
What's Gingerman? Sounds like a
sandwich.
>Blackhawk, etc etc.
Blackhawk is the closest to me.
Got more info on dates and clubs?
>
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me!
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:43 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply
At 12:13 AM 4/30/99 -0700, you
wrote:
>
>I've been fortunate and not had my getrag transmission die
on me yet. Of
course, I only have 35,000 miles on the car, so I've got
my fingers crossed
that no problems will develop for plenty more
miles.
You have about 15-25,000 miles left. Pray that it goes whilst you
have a
warranty to cover it. You might consider helping it along in case
your
warranty is ready to expire. If your warranty has expired, buy
an
aftermarket extended warranty.
>
>All the stories I hear about
transmissions failing and the incredible
expense of getting a replacement
make me think that a class action lawsuit
against mitsu and/or getrag might
be the only recourse to the transmission
parts issue.
There is one
pending somewhere. I think it was over on the dead stealth
net
list.
>
>One thing I'm curious about is how many of the
transmission failures are
occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
stock. Maybe this
transmission just isn't rated for >300
HP.
It doesn't seem to matter. At 50-60,000 miles, it just goes. Kinda
like the
timing belt.
>
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:01:43 -0400
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Must
Sell Ross Pistons
I have one set of Custom Ross Racing Pistons for a
3000GT or Stealth TT for
sale. They are of the stock 8.0:1 compression
variety. They are .030 over
stock bore. They are brand new in the
box with rings, pins, and all tech
sheets from ross. These pistons are
the absolute best pistons available for
our cars. Retail value is well
over $1500......... will sell for $950.
Visa and Mastercard
accepted.
Matt
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:14:52 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Must Sell Ross Pistons
What is it about the Ross pistons that you feel
make them better than say
JE? At 150% the retail price of JEs they must
be something special.
What ring design do they use? What sort of
pin and retainer arrangement?
Just curious since most so far have opted
for JE.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
>
> I have one set of Custom Ross Racing
Pistons for a 3000GT or
> Stealth TT for
> sale. They are of
the stock 8.0:1 compression variety. They are
> .030 over
>
stock bore. They are brand new in the box with rings, pins, and all
tech
> sheets from ross. These pistons are the absolute best
pistons
> available for
> our cars. Retail value is well over
$1500......... will sell for $950.
> Visa and Mastercard
accepted.
>
> Matt
> www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:54:03 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
>> new ones, but it is a real pain
that its so often necessary. I think
that
>> warp-free rotors
could be made for our cars if someone thought
>> it was a profitable
venture.
>Within the last week and a half, two rotors were
mentioned that seem
>strong and won't warp. George Koa says he is
running Porterfield non
>cross drilled rotors (Porterfield also has cryo
treatment as an
>option). Dave (who recently broke the KVR rotor
with Brad's Porsche
>caliper upgrade) said he is now running non cross
drilled Wagner
>(Warner??) rotors. Both guys punish their brakes and
are very happy
>with these rotors. They are both about the price of
stock Mitsu rotors.
Ken-
Sounds good. Do they require new
calipers when installed on
VR4s ? Anyone got an address or phone no.
for Porterfields
or an outfit that sells them?
Regards,
ptg
Regard
>How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he
is lost!
>
>Ken Middaugh
>General Atomics
>San
Diego
>(619) 455-4510
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:53:52 -0800
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Shelby Events - Was: VPC on 94+ cars
Rich:
What???
Shelby (SAAC) has let the PNW contingent
participate in their events (open
track, P.I.R.) for years.
Some of us are even Shelby members, myself
included, even
though none of us have Shelby's but rather 3S
cars.
This sounds suspiciously like a "local" issue for
your
area.
Rich
-
----------------------------------------------
Merritt wrote:
>
> Dr. Jack, you are a hoot!
>
> Any events coming up at Road
America in the near future? I can't find any
> except for the
Shelby-American club, and they don't let us in.
>
> Rich/old
poop
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:57:55 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Air brakes
Further reflection on recent posts about cooling
compressed air raises
another possibility: Why can't we use some of this
advanced cooling
technology in the brake air ducts?
Consider this: I
am gathering air from a 1x4 in. scoop at speeds up to 125
mph, and funneling
it into a 2.5 in. dia round hose that leads directly to
the center of the
rotor (well, as close as I can get. It actually comes in
directly behind the
caliper). This air oughta be under pretty high
pressure, because I'm having a
devil of a time keeping the ends of the
hoses pointed at the rotors. I can't
tell if it's wheel movement or air
pressure that keeps moving the hoses, but
I wouldn't be surprised if it was
the air. I am going to fabricate another
bracket that will anchor those
suckers in there.
But I
digress.
Now suppose we installed some sort of air cooling mechanism,
such as the
venturi cooler used in instrument enclosures, or the
technology described
by Andrew Billiant, to cool the pressurized air further.
We probably don't have the 100 psi that the venturis need to drop
50 deg
from ambient, but if we could adapt the principle involved, we should
be
able to cool the air considerably.
I don't pretend to understand
Andrew's technology, so I'll leave it up to
him as to figure out how it might
work.
Maybe just funneling the outlet down to a narrow oval shape would
cool the
air.
All of this would have to fit into a 2.5 in. dia hose,
unless we cooled it
at the scoop, where there is a little more
room.
Ideas, anyone? Any aerodynamic specialists out
there?
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:01:34 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply
Wished I (and I know others) could have
gotten that kind of mileage out of my tranny. First replacement at 4,200
miles; 2nd replacement at 47,000 miles; 3rd (rebuilt) at 84,000 miles. If
mine had lasted for 50-60,000 miles I'd be much happier. I'm running a
completely stock VR-4 too.
- --
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999
09:34:43 Merritt wrote:
>At 12:13 AM 4/30/99 -0700, you
wrote:
>>
>>I've been fortunate and not had my getrag
transmission die on me yet. Of
>course, I only have 35,000 miles on
the car, so I've got my fingers crossed
>that no problems will develop for
plenty more miles.
>
>You have about 15-25,000 miles left. Pray that
it goes whilst you have a
>warranty to cover it. You might consider
helping it along in case your
>warranty is ready to expire. If your
warranty has expired, buy an
>aftermarket extended
warranty.
>>
>>All the stories I hear about transmissions
failing and the incredible
>expense of getting a replacement make me think
that a class action lawsuit
>against mitsu and/or getrag might be the only
recourse to the transmission
>parts issue.
>
>There is one
pending somewhere. I think it was over on the dead stealth
net
>list.
>>
>>One thing I'm curious about is how many
of the transmission failures are
>occuring on heavily modified 400 HP
monsters vs. stock. Maybe this
>transmission just isn't rated for
>300 HP.
>
>It doesn't seem to matter. At 50-60,000 miles, it
just goes. Kinda like the
>timing belt.
>>
>Rich/old
poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:04:15 -0700
From: Yoss <yoss@aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Shelby Events - Was: VPC on 94+ cars
On Apr 30, Rich Leroy said:
>
Rich:
>
> What??? Shelby (SAAC) has let the PNW contingent
> participate in their events (open track, P.I.R.) for years.
>
Some of us are even Shelby members, myself included, even
> though none of
us have Shelby's but rather 3S
cars.
Rich,
One _must_
become a member of the Shelby club to participate in
their
track day events. This
isn't the case with the open-day events
of
other clubs (BMW, Porsche, Team
Continental, etc.)
Maybe this
is what (the other) Rich meant about Shelby?
- -sankar
> This
sounds suspiciously like a "local" issue for your
> area.
>
>
Rich
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:03:01 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
>Sounds good. Do they
require new calipers when installed on
>VR4s ?
No.
Anyone got an address or phone no. for
Porterfields
>or an outfit that sells them?
Call Porterfield at
800-537-6842 or 949-548-4470 and ask for Tim
Tell him Rich sent you. They are
cryo-ing a set of front rotors for me even
as we speak, and I want him to do
a good job.
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:04:59 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Shelby Events - Was: VPC on 94+
cars
>
>What??? Shelby (SAAC) has let the PNW contingent
>participate in their events (open track, P.I.R.) for years.
Maybe
that's because they have trouble filling up their event.
Around here, they
have zillions of entrants.
Also, I am quoting hearsay. Maybe you are
absolutely right and my source is
wrong.
I'll look into
it.
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:05:49 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Where's Mitsu? -Reply
> One thing I'm curious about is how many of the
transmission
> failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters
vs.
> stock. Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300
HP.
A friend of mine has destroyed three with zero modifications to his
car on a
'91 VR4 and he hasn't driven it that hard after the first one
went.
- -Matt
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:27:29 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Tranny Reliability
I have a heavily modified (over 400 HP) 3SI
and I'm still on my first tranny
with over 78K miles....Go figure...Maybe it
was assembled on a day when all
of the workers got laid the night before and
decided..."what the heck..lets
build ONE right " :)
Jeffrey
92
RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>>
One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission
>> failures
are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
>> stock.
Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.
>
>A friend
of mine has destroyed three with zero modifications to his car
on
a
>'91 VR4 and he hasn't driven it that hard after the first one
went.
>
>-Matt
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:28:49 -0600
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny
Reliability
Hey my car must of been built on the same day as yours
:)
Its weird how sex changes a persons mood the next day heheh.
92
3000 GTO MMC
500 H.P. of Fun
Plates (HIPRESR)
(303)
689-4733
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Young [mailto:jefyoung@ix.netcom.com]
Sent:
Friday, April 30, 1999 10:27 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Tranny Reliability
I have a heavily modified (over 400 HP)
3SI and I'm still on my first tranny
with over 78K miles....Go figure...Maybe
it was assembled on a day when all
of the workers got laid the night before
and decided..."what the heck..lets
build ONE right "
:)
Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>>
One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission
>> failures
are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
>> stock.
Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.
>
>A friend
of mine has destroyed three with zero modifications to his car
on
a
>'91 VR4 and he hasn't driven it that hard after the first one
went.
>
>-Matt
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:33:11 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Trannies was Where's Mitsu? -Reply
Merritt
wrote:
snip
You have about 15-25,000 miles left. Pray that it goes
whilst you have a ..
snip
This seems to be the norm although
it is not exclusive, and some (I would assume more
conservative drivers) have
a lot more k's on their tranny and are still truckin. Now
here is the
question. What else, if anything besides the synchros, goes on these
trannies
when reports of replacement occur? Is this by far the standard, or is
there a
whole pile of other problems that begin to crop
up?
Best
Darc ...still original tranny ...92 TT
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:55:01 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Team3S: More rotors
> Sounds good. Do they require new calipers
when installed on
> VR4s ? Anyone got an address or phone no.
for Porterfields
> or an outfit that sells them?
Hi
Paul,
Rich just mentioned that they work with the stock calipers so I
know I'm
redunant for mentioning. They are just aftermarket
replacements though.
Dave mentioned that he got his Wagner (but they
might be Warner??)
rotors from a local parts dealer. However, I think
the cryogenically
treated Porterfield's might be the best low cost rotor
option
currently. Also, I made a mistake -- George is running cross
drilled
rotors (but probably not cryo treated). Here are the prices
again:
Porterfield
91-93 front rotors $79 each
94+ front rotors
$99
cryogenic treatment $40
cross drilled $50
It sounds like Rich
and Dave give the most punishment to rotors since
they are attending track
events and routinely brake from 120+ mph. They
are the only two folks
that have snapped/broken rotors completely. Dave
should be inflicting
the most punishment though since he has the big
Porsche caliper upgrade with
Pagid pads from Brad Bedal. Soooo, the
Wagner (or Warner) is currently
the best proven low cost rotor to date.
Decisions, decisions... :).
Good luck,
Ken
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:15:10 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars
Jack,
Your point is well
taken!
Mike also replied to me personally. I think that this
service is worth
paying for and the provider should be compensated. As
long as it is
available to me at a reasonable price, which it is through Mike
at
Altered Atmosphere, I can't ask for more. I now urge you not to
make
the pinouts public so as to protect Mike's business opportunity as
long
as possible. Mike has indicated that he can modify a VPC for 94+
use on
new one's that he sells, or can provide the conversion if folks
already
have one or bought one used. I didn't quite understand this
from his
first post. This is great news for 94+ owners.
So, who
is working on those brake backing plates with cooling duct
attachments/hose
barbs... ;) ?
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Date:
Sat, 01 May 1999 00:35:07 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Air brakes
>
> technology described
> by Andrew Billiant,
to cool the pressurized air further.
> I don't pretend to understand
Andrew's technology, so I'll leave it up to
> him as to figure out how it
might work.
I have a suspicion that a device that is some sort of
convection tower with cool air
fallling and hot air rising will not work with
any sort of (50-160mph) winds flying
around the underside/wheelwell area of a
car. I also have a suspicion that the actual
COOLING ABILITY in terms
of HEAT REMOVED TOTAL as expressed, for instance, in BTU's, of
such a rather
passive (sounding) device are not of a magnitude to effect
significant
cooling of 12" steel rotors which are turning cherry red trying
to dissipate 100 to 250
hp worth of heat EACH ROTOR in front...
Brake
ducts to the inside aspect of the wheel are good and I sure will be trying to
make
some sometime.
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:50:48 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Trannies was Where's Mitsu? -Reply
From my data gathering and
PERSONAL experience it's:
#1 - Synchro's
#2 - Tranny Output shaft shearing
(told this is casued by the AWD viscous coupling keeping constant back and forth
pressure on the splines, casuing them to shear - and when that happens, throw in
another $1,600 for a transfer case)
#3 - Leaks - seals going bad both
internally / externally
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On Fri, 30 Apr 1999
09:33:11 wce wrote:
>
>
>Merritt
wrote:
>
>snip
>
>You have about 15-25,000 miles left.
Pray that it goes whilst you have a ..
>
>snip
>
>This
seems to be the norm although it is not exclusive, and some (I would
assume more
>conservative drivers) have a lot more k's on their tranny and
are still truckin. Now
>here is the question. What else, if anything
besides the synchros, goes on these
>trannies when reports of replacement
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:58:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Brakes and Heat question
Has anyone crunched any numbers to figure out
exactly how much heat we're
talking about trying to get rid of? If so,
please let me know what your
results are. Thanks.
Dennis
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:39:02 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars
Can we please some pics, especially of the
hood? Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: xwing [mailto:xwing@execpc.com]
Sent: Friday,
April 30, 1999 10:27 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars
Ken Middaugh wrote:
> xwing
wrote:
> > 1994 Mitsu VR4 with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted
maincat,
VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
> > 12.386 @
108.19mph...best mph 109.50. Full interior
except spare and
jack. Geez.
>
> Great time Jack!
> I asked Mike of
Altered Atmosphere last week but didn't
get an answer
> yet so I'll ask
you too. What does it take to install a
VPC on a 94+
> car?
Do you hardwire it? Do you snip off the VPC's
connector and
>
install a new one? Do you make a short converter harness
to mate
with
> the VPC and the ECU (??) connector?
>
> It would be
great if a pin-out diagram could be placed on
the 3si &
> 3000gt
web pages. It would also be great if someone
(Mike??) could
make
> and sell a low cost converter so one wouldn't have to
butcher
the VPC.
>
> Maybe this info isn't forthcoming because you guys want
to
hold on to
> your advantage ;),
hmmm?
mmmMMOOOHHHOHOHHHHhhhahhhahhaahhhhahaahhhhhh!
Does anybody
remember Daystrom, the guy on that original
Star Trek
episode, who built
the M5 computer to run the ship but it
went wild and
destroyed innocents,
and Daystrom went mad himself?
hehehe.
It is doable. I've done it,
I'm not magical. Mike Mahaffey
has done it and
can do it for
people. It is a question to me, whether to
say how because
it DID
take me about a week in off hours, late nights, all
the while talking
to
Barry King, Jeff Wong, Tom in Idaho, Mike M, etc on MIRC
trying
to keep my mouth
shut like that mathematics wizard who solved Fermat's
last
theorum with 7 years
of work all in secret from his best friends...to
go through
all the wiring
diagrams on Vineet Singh's 3S CD-ROM
manual
masterpiece...there
were problems along the way, like some
diagrams you can't
read all the
numbers, on some the numbers are
just plain WRONG!!!!!, the
way you
look at the connectors/diagrams was
trippy and cost me DAYS
of
wasted time and several wiring mistakes that
just didn't
work but
fortunately didn't melt anything!
If I hadn't
had a GCC I probably would have given up. There
is a clue
in the GCC
that told me what was missing/what was different
but not where
to get it
FROM, nor whether it could be gotten...I had to
crossreference to the
Stealth
diagrams some of which are better quality reproductions.
In
the end it
is not hard to effect the mods, but if it was so EASY
then
HK$ could have been selling these
damned things to 1994-1999 cars,
since 1994 !
So, I'd say buy your VPC's from Mike Mahaffey and be
happy.
I bet his prices are just fine.
Or, you could send me $50 and I'll
tell you how. Or, all
hundreds of us could pool $ together
to
send me the $50 and then I'll blab. Or, I could have
pissed somebody
off enough
by now that they do it themselves...or don't...but they feel
my
pain! I gave you the GCC
clue! Knowing it CAN be done makes it
easier, a matter of
TIME not POSSIBILITY.
I had no certainty it would
work; only HK$'s years of NOT
making one to say it would NOT.
Since HK$
told me way back in 1994 the VPC didn't work right
even on 91-93 cars
and
they sold me mine ONLY on the proviso that "When it
doesn't work, you
promise
not to try to make us take it back!" but it was a key to the
car's
high-boost performance--I
had
a thought line that said it probably could
be made to work.
So, chancing melting the
ECU, tapping and splicing
various wires (mostly because of
the stupid diagrams/way
they talk about
connectors) I got it to work. THAT was a
Eureka! I was sure
I
had it several times before that; several heart-rending
failures; it was
the last try.
(Picture the Wailing, the Gnashing of Teeth, the
Blood,
Sweat, and Tears!)
I must be allowed at least a day or several to
gloat and act
secretive, that is one of the
best parts of the Secret Speed
Tricks Game!
hhhehehheheehehhe...
Oh I suppose if one got a VPC
USED one wouldn't buy from
Mike, so I may come clean
about it soon.
BUT let me say, there is no reason NOT to
buy it from Mike assuming
the
price is reasonable unless people have something (odd)
against somebody
making a go
of it selling parts for our cars YET NOT ripping some
people
off.
I haven't the time to do such a business justice, so I
am
happy when others do stuff; like
having Dave Buschur have SFI certified
harmonic balancers
made for our cars (they should
be ready soon,
supposedly; Bushcur Racing said about 2 weeks
ago). I bought the
carbon
hood from GT Alley--before they closed up and burned Todd
Shelton
and Roger Gerl. I'd say
buy the VPC's from Mike Mahaffey and be
happy. In the end,
we have a greater chance of
success and neat
parts in the FUTURE if we support those who
support us NOW...Pick up
some
RC 720cc injectors and a GCC from him while you're at
it. No reason NOT
to use them, and
then you are wide open/almost unlimited capability.
Or,
550-560's...used; then wouldn't lose
money
if sold them someday for
720's. You DO need GCC to run
720's, but do NOT need GCC for
550/560
which saves alot of money upfront. For sure, I'd
support
Mike/Altered Atmospheres,
Frank/Accelerated,
Chien/Nexus, ?Brad
Bedell Performance Unlimited?, as they
actually INTERACT with us
here
sometimes!
(hope I didn't forget anybody)...
Whoa what a rant
this turned out to be. Most of it self
congratulatory crappo! Oh
well.
I am going to put bigger turbos on this car so I can kick
more
[insert any other car make]
ass around any block I so
choose.
mmmOOOHOOOHHOHHAhahahhahahhhhhhhhhh!
"Somebody Stop Me", eh
Rich?
Our cars sure are neat.
Jack
Tertadian
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:44:17 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Brakes and Heat question
>Has anyone crunched any numbers to figure
out exactly how much heat we're
>talking about trying to get rid of?
If so, please let me know what your
>results are.
Thanks.
>
As a rough approximation It's going to take roughly the
same energy to stop it as it
did to get it going. According to the dyno
results the peak HP is about 180 KW at
the wheels. About 150 to 200 KW
is probably a good guess [ you can stop faster
than you can accelerate ]. At
any rate that's the heat output from 1500 good sized
light bulbs. It's also
the reason they glow almost a yellow when heavily loaded.
Jim
Berry
------93 "arrest me red" Stealth TT
-----
SSBC @ 1.0 BAR, K&N FIPK, Magnecore wire, NGK @
.034
G--Tech 0 --60 4.75 sec. 1/4
13.3 @ 110
[ suspension mods next ]
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:12:50 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject:
Team3S: steering linkage puller
I'm halfway through a clutch replacement
in a friend's garage. I
couldn't get the picklefork tool to separate
the ball joints, so I
special ordered the special tool from miller special
tools a couple
weeks ago. It was on backorder and I said fine, ship it
next day when
it gets in . Today its still on backorder, for at least a
couple more
weeks. Argh!
Does anyone on the list have a MB990635
(superseded by MB991113)
steering linkage puller that they could loan
me? I'll pay the shipping
and an extra $20 for your trouble. Or
if someone can provide a tip how
to get the ball joint separated with widely
available tools, that would
also be a big
help.
Thanks,
Dave
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: More rotors
I dropped by Porterfield yesterday to pick up some
Motul brake fluids.
I asked about my rotors and found out they WEREN'T cryo
treated.. they
told me they only sell 3 brands of rotors (couldnt remember
the names)
and they claim the rotors they sell are better than stock.. I
might get
back on the tracks after I debug all the minor problems with the
car..
then I'll report how these rotors hold up..
George
- ---
Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
wrote:
> currently. Also, I made a mistake -- George is
>
running cross drilled
> rotors (but probably not cryo treated).
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:20:47 -0400
From: Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Trannies was Where's Mitsu? -Reply
> >You have about
15-25,000 miles left. Pray that it goes whilst you have a ..
I bought my
94 with 54k miles on it. Leaving the dealership I sped off and it grinded
going into 2nd gear. I bought the car on Thursday, it was in the dealer on
Monday, after a weekend of showing it off. New trans, under
warranty.
After two weeks of odd problems, popping out of gear, etc, I
finally figured it wasn't just me, however, before bringing it back the car
broke down completely. Kinda funny when you can move the shifter in a
circle......... The car
now has 93.5k miles and roughly 400hp.
Almost 40k miles, hard miles at that. Until I knew better, I speed shifted
with regularity, and ocasionally left the line spinning 4 tires. I still
do that at the track, usually dump clutch
launches and speed shifting.
I'm getting better at slipping it a bit, so that may be changing. For now
though, it's going fine.
Jason
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:15:21 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Tranmission Idea
Guys apparently someone has posted on the 3si
site that a guy had a
transmission place change his 5 speed transmission to a
vette gear box while
keeping the outer shell. I don't know enough about
transmission but says he
can smoke the wheels through 3rd. He said it
would be about $3500, any
ideas?
Comments?
Thanks
Joshua
P.S. How is the Automatic
Transmission VR-4 Search coming????????????/
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Date:
Sat, 01 May 1999 01:08:00 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject:
Team3S: Admin: Shelby Events
Members,
Please discuss this item
privately and not on the list. The dates have already
been
published.
Thank you,
Roger for the Admins
> What???
Shelby (SAAC) has let the PNW contingent
> participate in their events
(open track, P.I.R.) for years.
> Some of us are even Shelby members,
myself included, even
> though none of us have Shelby's but rather 3S
cars.
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:38:15 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes
and Heat question
Although it will make hardly any difference, consider
painting both the
rotor and caliper flat black. As we all know, black
radiates more heat then
does yellow or red or silver.
Omar
92
r/t
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:23:13 -0600
From: "Brent & Tara Maksymiw" <brent.tara@sk.sympatico.ca>
Subject:
Team3S: Overboost
I ran into an overboost situation tonight during a
bleeder valve install.
During the install, I must have accidentally pulled
off the sense line from
the corner of the Y-pipe to the H connector. So
even though my bleeder
valve was shut, the pressure to the waste gates was
straight to atmosphere.
I have an SPI boost gauge and was modulating throttle
in 2nd gear to see
what the boost would be. On my first run, the boost
went to 16psi, so I
pulled over and made sure the bleeder was shut. I
couldn't see any
disconnected lines. I then went and did another 2nd
gear pull and this time
the boost went to 17psi (I never had it under
WOT). It stumbled three times
really quick before I could get my foot
off of the accelerator. It was a
stumble and not a
face-through-the-windshield fuel cut. It was probably
never over 15psi
on either of the two pulls for more than two seconds.
Now the
question. What are the chances I did damage to the pistons/rings?
I
have since put the sensing hose back on and the car runs fine. No loss
in
power that I could tell (other than the fact it is back down to
stock
boost).
Comments please!!!!
Brent M.
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:29:00 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Overboost
Likely no damage whatsoever. You ran into either
detonation or more likely
spark blow out or some combination of both.
If your plugs are not gapped
well below the factory recommended 0.045" (and
useless for high boost) then
it was no doubt the latter. I doubt it is
worth thinking about at all
unless you perceive some negative
difference.
Although thisis not a desirable condition, it does take quite
a bit of
prolonged abuse to kill the stock pistons as crappy as they are for
mondo
boost levels.
I'd bet if you took a poll of people who have
modifed their VR4s even with
just a bleeder that the vast majority would
report similar experiences at
least once.
You've fixed the problem and
can now go out and enjoy the extra
ponies.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> Now the question. What are the chances I did
damage to the pistons/rings?
> I have since put the sensing hose back on
and the car runs fine.
> No loss in
> power that I could tell (other
than the fact it is back down to stock
> boost).
>
> Comments
please!!!!
>
> Brent M.
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Date:
Sat, 1 May 1999 01:44:49 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: [none]
OK.
i remember reading in one of the past emails about an engine flush
procedure
with marvel mystery oil. does anyone know which website it's
listed on, or
have the email handy?
Omar
92 r/t
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Date:
Sat, 01 May 1999 15:21:56 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Overboost
> Now the question. What are the chances I did
damage to the pistons/rings?
I'm a little bit more critical than Barry
(no flame broh) as I ignored this
signs too much. I agree with Barry about
the gap of the plugs as this may cause
some miss that finally interprets the
ECU as knock and therefore retards the
timing heavily.
The overboost
you had was not really dangerous, but I'm wondering about the
early
stumbeling if the plugs are gapped correctly around 0.034. My advice : If
you
regap the plugs do an easy compression test at the same time. I'm pretty
sure
you have no problems but it's a good feeling to KNOW that everything is
fine.
The pistons are fine for sure but the stock rings are not the best you
can
get :)
Regards,
Roger
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