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Team3S Digest         Thursday, April 29 1999         Volume 01 : Number 166




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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:07:30 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cooler airflow

> Won't cooler air before the turbine increase the turbines
> efficiency as it can only spin
> so much, and denser air in=more compressed air out.
>
> After the turbine the amount of airflow has already been
> determined you will just casue
> the intake charge to be more dense, but not increase the total volume?

We're not worried about the volume of airflow, but the temperature of the
air when it gets to the combustion chamber.

Michael

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:11:05 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cooler airflow

Right, but my understanding is that Cooler air combusts better because it is more
dense... Thus more air.  Am I wrong, or does the temperature cause a more powerful
explosion?

Michael Dorsey wrote:

> > Won't cooler air before the turbine increase the turbines
> > efficiency as it can only spin
> > so much, and denser air in=more compressed air out.
> >
> > After the turbine the amount of airflow has already been
> > determined you will just casue
> > the intake charge to be more dense, but not increase the total volume?
>
> We're not worried about the volume of airflow, but the temperature of the
> air when it gets to the combustion chamber.
>
> Michael
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:28:59 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cooler airflow

You've pretty much got it I think.

Cool air is denser and therefore contains more oxygen per volume.  This
means more fuel can be added to the mixture.  The end result is more violent
combustion of the charge and therefore more power.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> Andrew Brilliant
>
> Right, but my understanding is that Cooler air combusts better
> because it is more
> dense... Thus more air.  Am I wrong, or does the temperature
> cause a more powerful
> explosion?

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:43:36 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cooler airflow

> Right, but my understanding is that Cooler air combusts
> better because it is more
> dense... Thus more air.  Am I wrong, or does the temperature
> cause a more powerful
> explosion?
>

You are right, but it's the final temp when it reaches the combustion
chamber that matters, whether it's cooler entering the intake, or cooled by
the IC's.  Although, now that you're making me think about it, the turbo's
should be able to sustain boost at a higher RPM with a colder intake.


Michael

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:58:45 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!

>BTW, the AP 14" brakes are pictured in an Option 2 magazine September
>1996.  That issue is FILLED with tests of different ROTORS;
>CALIPERS/kits from AP, Brembo, Endless, Nissan, TRD, Alcon, Endless;
>brake PAD tests on computer logger/graphing of temp stability vs.
>force/fade for Pagid, Hawk, Ferodo, Brembo, FET, Endless, Quest, GAB,
>Super Sprint, Zeal, Image, Performance Friction, HKS, etc.
>Has tests of brake FLUID, braided brake LINES, additional items like
>cooling ducts, caliper paints, temp monitor strips, etc and all in
>Japanese so it was pretty much useless to this Gaijin except for the
>pictures>(Brembos).


Do you have a copy of the magazine or have you just seen it. If I can get a
 copy I'll see that it gets translated.

 Jim Berry


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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:14:57 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!

james berry wrote:

> >BTW, the AP 14" brakes are pictured in an Option 2 magazine September
> >1996.  That issue is FILLED with tests

> Do you have a copy of the magazine or have you just seen it. If I can get a
>  copy I'll see that it gets translated.
>  Jim Berry

I have the magazine!
There are about 50 pages; a bunch are pictures with captions; pretty many graphs.  If
one could read Japanese it would take awhile including typing but if you can do it...!
I can get some good quality photocopies.  I have a copy machine repairman friend (no
joke) who MAY be able to get color photocopies...
Jack

BTW, drag outing last night:

1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
them
laying around :)
12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior except spare and jack.  Geez.

I am thinking of NOT changing the exhaust, the stock exh is QUIET!...but a downpipe
and gutting precats I'd like.
What a formula car!  A+B+C=FAST!

BTW if anyone wants a K&N conversion, be sure to get the FIPK kit for the 2nd generation

DIAMOND STARS, because they come with bigger (longer by about 2-3") filter and are way
CHEAPER!
(about $85)...



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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:22:56 -0400
From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: Team3S: Newbie Question

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First off, I enjoyed reading the archives and have found allot of useful =
information.  Tuesday I purchased a 91 Stealth TT  and I have a few =
questions which I could not answer from reading the archives.  My boost =
gauge reads 14psi. in third gear with the throttle to the floor.  I was =
under the impression that stock boost was around 8-9 psi.  I did not see =
a bleeder valve mod. under the hood so I am thinking the gauge is way =
off or something is wrong with the waste gate.  Maybe a leak somewhere?  =
Plans are to buy a quality gauge and maybe an air/fuel ratio monitor in =
the very near future.

TIA,

Kevin Schappell
Auto Answers
http://www.pacarsearch.com

  
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:34:02 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Newbie Question

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Congratulations on your purchase.

The 91-93 models did see peak boost around 9.5 psi with small variations one
way or the other.  The factory boost gauge is wildly inaccurate, especially
above 6-7 psi.  It happily jumps to maximum indicated boost at anything much
over 6-7 psi actual manifold pressure.  You really can't use the factory
gauge as anything other than an indication that there is indeed boost.
Acquiring a decent aftermarket boost gauge is an excellent first purchase.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:kevin@pacarsearch.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Schappell
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 6:23 AM
> To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
> Subject: Team3S: Newbie Question
>
> First off, I enjoyed reading the archives and have found allot of
> useful information.  Tuesday I purchased a 91 Stealth TT  and I
> have a few questions which I could not answer from reading the
> archives.  My boost gauge reads 14psi. in third gear with the
> throttle to the floor.  I was under the impression that stock
> boost was around 8-9 psi.  I did not see a bleeder valve mod.
> under the hood so I am thinking the gauge is way off or something
> is wrong with the waste gate.  Maybe a leak somewhere?  Plans are
> to buy a quality gauge and maybe an air/fuel ratio monitor in the
> very near future.
>
> TIA,
>
> Kevin Schappell
> Auto Answers
> http://www.pacarsearch.com
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:32:01 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Newbie Question

Congrats to your new car!!

Regarding the stock boost gauge all I can say is: Don't look at it, Just ignore it completely because the value that it shows says nothing about your boost, it just indicates that you have boost.

Get a real boost gauge or get a Blitz (DSBC) boost controller with integrated boost gauge. This will ofcourse make it possible to use higher boost and that's good because you will soon want to use higher boost, you just don't know that yet :)

/Mikael, Sweden http://www.3000gt.nu

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From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 3:23 PM
Subject: Team3S: Newbie Question


First off, I enjoyed reading the archives and have found allot of useful information.  Tuesday I purchased a 91 Stealth TT  and I have a few questions which I could not answer from reading the archives.  My boost gauge reads 14psi. in third gear with the throttle to the floor.  I was under the impression that stock boost was around 8-9 psi.  I did not see a bleeder valve mod. under the hood so I am thinking the gauge is way off or something is wrong with the waste gate.  Maybe a leak somewhere?  Plans are to buy a quality gauge and maybe an air/fuel ratio monitor in the very near future.

TIA,

Kevin Schappell
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:03:40 -0400
From: Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dragstrip Outing Weds, 9b boost...

xwing wrote:

> BTW, drag outing last night:
>
> 1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
> them
> laying around :)
> 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior except spare and jack.  Geez.

  Here's to Jack, the guy with a 10.8 second streetable VR4, and a 12.38 second daily
driver.  Hmm, you're not gonna tow the 93 with the 94 are ya?   :P

  Congrats, getting close to 11s!!!  I was hoping I'd be the first, even if it takes me
years........  I was a little surprised lastnight when I wound out third gear and never
dropped below .91 atmosphere (13.25psi or so) at redline, hope it does the same at the
track.

Playing the winning lotto numbers,
Jason
94 VR4, 93.5k miles, Weapon-R intake, gutted cats, Apexi AVC-R, AND the WOT floormat mod.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:53:37 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Dragstrip Outing

Original Message From: xwing

>1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had them laying around :)
>12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior except spare and jack.  Geez.

Wow that's a very good time. Congrats!

It would be interesting to know how much the 720 injectors did. Do you have any idea about what dutycycle they where on during WOT? I guess that they where far away from maxing out.

I would also like to know more about the GCC, is it an ignition controller or is it just an aoption to the VPC?

Ohh another question just popped up, how did you get the VPC to work on a 94+ car?

/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu



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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:59:44 -0400
From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Newbie Question

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Actually I think I do know it already :-)  Thanks for the quick =
response.  I will look into the Blitz DSBC, sounds like a great idea.  I =
was going to get a boost controller eventually and since this one =
combines the guage and controller in one, it should be the best option.

Thanks,

Kevin Schappell
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Mikael =C5kesson [SMTP:vr4@bahnhof.se]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:32 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Newbie Question

[Kevin]   =20
Get a real boost gauge or get a Blitz (DSBC) boost controller with =
integrated boost gauge. This will ofcourse make it possible to use =
higher boost and that's good because you will soon want to use higher =
boost, you just don't know that yet :)

/Mikael, Sweden http://www.3000gt.nu

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From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 3:23 PM
Subject: Team3S: Newbie Question


First off, I enjoyed reading the archives and have found allot of useful =
information.  Tuesday I purchased a 91 Stealth TT  and I have a few =
questions which I could not answer from reading the archives.  My boost =
gauge reads 14psi. in third gear with the throttle to the floor.  I was =
under the impression that stock boost was around 8-9 psi.  I did not see =
a bleeder valve mod. under the hood so I am thinking the gauge is way =
off or something is wrong with the waste gate.  Maybe a leak somewhere?  =
Plans are to buy a quality gauge and maybe an air/fuel ratio monitor in =
the very near future.

TIA,

Kevin Schappell
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:21:53 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dragstrip Outing Weds, 9b boost...

Jack, nice times. How does the car idel with those 720's?
Arty 91 VR-4

 xwing wrote:
 
 > BTW, drag outing last night:
 >
 > 1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc
injectors (I had
 > them
 > laying around :)
 > 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior except spare and
jack. 
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:47:28 -0400
From: Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu?

  Unfortunately we talking about the same company that all but refused to humor the idea
that the AWD DSM transfer cases needed to be recalled for a leak even after years of AWD
lockups and even a few deaths.  I think this is also a big reason behind there being
little Mitsu participation in chat or discounts on the DSM list, a HUGE list that had to
force the transfer case recall.  I beleive this is also the same company that'd rather
lose 95% of they're loyal drivers by not having a 4 cyl turbo in the new Eclipse then
possibly think that their ideas aren't always the best even though they're in bad
shape.  Don't get me wrong, I love Mitsu products, atleast up till now.  I do however
question their ideas, ethics and reasoning.  It might be a harsh conclusion, but one
might get the idea that Mitsu could care less after the sale, what reason do we have to
think otherwise?
  Wouldn't it be great if all of our questions could be answered by Mitsu reps siting
actual facts rather than our own guesses or limitted experience?  I know someone at
Mitsu knows how the stuff works, hell, they made it!  I can recall many questions that I
and others have had that were only answered by guesses, logic, or speculation, not
actual fact.  Should we have to disect our vehicles for understanding?  It's not a new
species, it's a car that was thought out, designed, and built and yet we know so little
about it's workings.

Jason

p.s.  I'll leave most of the prior message attached (with minor editing) as it was
posted awhile back and took me some time to respond to.

Merritt wrote:

Whilst we are having this marvelous discussion about brakes, the thought occurs: Where's
Mitsubishi when we really need them?

snip

I remember the glory days of Datsun, when they competed in SCCA club racing, Pro
rallying, and world championship rallying...  and Datsun was a power to be reckoned with
all over the world.

snip

And Datsun Competition helped us out greatly...  we got a 15% discount at the dealer,
and they often made parts from the works rally cars available.

snip

So, where's Mitsu? Why isn't someone from Mitsu participating in our discussions?  Where
can we get tech help? Where can we buy factory parts?  Seems to me they are missing a
great opportunity to support a bunch of loyal enthusiasts.  Anybody know anyone at
Mitsubishi?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4


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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:50:32 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <WallisG@mwaa.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply

Perhaps it's time for some of us to try to track down a Mitsu rep and ask
him/her to sit in a conference phone call or give us an e-mail address.

I could prolly take on the task in a week or so...although I'd like to
concentrate on the hoods for now. Anyone else not mind being a pain in
the ass and know how to get around secretaries?

Gavin

>>> Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com> 04/29/99 10:47am >>>
  Unfortunately we talking about the same company that all but refused to
humor the idea
that the AWD DSM transfer cases needed to be recalled for a leak even
after years of AWD
lockups and even a few deaths.  I think this is also a big reason behind
there being
little Mitsu participation in chat or discounts on the DSM list, a HUGE list
that had to
force the transfer case recall.  I beleive this is also the same company
that'd rather
lose 95% of they're loyal drivers by not having a 4 cyl turbo in the new
Eclipse then
possibly think that their ideas aren't always the best even though they're
in bad
shape.  Don't get me wrong, I love Mitsu products, atleast up till now.  I
do however
question their ideas, ethics and reasoning.  It might be a harsh
conclusion, but one
might get the idea that Mitsu could care less after the sale, what reason
do we have to
think otherwise?
  Wouldn't it be great if all of our questions could be answered by Mitsu
reps siting
actual facts rather than our own guesses or limitted experience?  I know
someone at
Mitsu knows how the stuff works, hell, they made it!  I can recall many
questions that I
and others have had that were only answered by guesses, logic, or
speculation, not
actual fact.  Should we have to disect our vehicles for understanding?
It's not a new
species, it's a car that was thought out, designed, and built and yet we
know so little
about it's workings.

Jason

p.s.  I'll leave most of the prior message attached (with minor editing) as it
was
posted awhile back and took me some time to respond to.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:15:53 -0500
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject: Team3S: Throw out bearing question

Hey everyone,

I've got a quick question that needs a quick answer.  I'm in the process of
buying an ACT clutch for my 95 R/T TT.  Can I buy a stock throw out bearing
to go with the stock clutch?  I guess ACT is a little slow with suppling
them.  Or maybe even ACT uses the stock throw out bearing??  Please reply to
me privately.  I have to make a decision in a few hours.

Thanks,
Curt G
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:45:20 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars

xwing wrote:
snip
> 1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
> them
> laying around :)
> 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior except spare and jack.  Geez.

Great time Jack!

I asked Mike of Altered Atmosphere last week but didn't get an answer
yet so I'll ask you too.  What does it take to install a VPC on a 94+
car?  Do you hardwire it?  Do you snip off the VPC's connector and
install a new one?  Do you make a short converter harness to mate with
the VPC and the ECU (??) connector?

It would be great if a pin-out diagram could be placed on the 3si &
3000gt web pages.  It would also be great if someone (Mike??) could make
and sell a low cost converter so one wouldn't have to butcher the VPC.

Maybe this info isn't forthcoming because you guys want to hold on to
your advantage ;), hmmm?

- -Ken
'91 VR4 but wanting a 94+

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General Atomics
San Diego
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:28:30 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: TEC phone #

Howdy folks...

I need a phone number for TEC (turbo engineering corp). Can't seem to locate
a web site.

Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance!!!

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:40:51 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TEC phone #

TEC's number is 303-271-3997 and talk to Jim or Holly.  URL is
www.turboengineering.com


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth

>
>I need a phone number for TEC (turbo engineering corp). Can't seem to
locate
>a web site.
>


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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:47:16 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch GP

> I thought everyone in the group purchase was aware that RPS will not be
> shipping the clutches until mid May. Sorry Andy if you were not made aware
> of this.

Acc.Acc. gave Andy the same price on the clutch as the participants in the GP. I
have not been informed by Matt or Frank that there is another friend who takes
one. But, this is what a GP organisator is for.

All: This seems to be an ongoing GP :)

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
K&N FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi AFC,HKS SBOV,
ATR DP/ tespipe,Borla Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,
Bremsa brakes,Pagid RS-R pads

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:55:20 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dragstrip Outing

> I would also like to know more about the GCC, is it an ignition controller or
> is it just an aoption to the VPC?

Yes, it's an optional box for fine-tuning the VPC. Looks like an AFC and acts
like it but is plugged into the VPC.

// Roger
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:40:11 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer? -Reply

> Actually that triggered my question.

Ok :)

> The FATT just uses the harness to plug into the ignition, plus the safeties
> (shift lock, parking brake & speed sensor).  Too bad I can't read Japanese
> or I'd just look at the directions.

Maybe it only reads the rpm and then calculates the time. That's why I've
choosen the DualTimer.

// Roger

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:08:54 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: TEC phone #

Hey Chris, this is an old number but I think its still good
800-950-TURBO
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 4/29/99 10:30:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com writes:

<< Subj: Team3S: TEC phone #
 Date: 4/29/99 10:30:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time
 From: cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com (Chris Winkley)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com ('Team3S')
 
 Howdy folks...
 
 I need a phone number for TEC (turbo engineering corp). Can't seem to locate
 a web site.
 
 Can anyone help?
 
 Thanks in advance!!!
 
 Looking forward...Chris
 
 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
 and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
 A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
 Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
 gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
 turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:12:54 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TEC phone #

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Jeffrey Young wrote:
>
> TEC's number is 303-271-3997 and talk to Jim or Holly.  URL is
> www.turboengineering.com
>
> Jeffrey
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:14:06 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!

Are you running stock Turbos????  If so this helps my theory of 11's possible on a stock
tubo car w/o nos only 0.387 to go.

> BTW, drag outing last night:
>
> 1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
> them
> laying around :)
> 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior except spare and jack.  Geez.
>
> I am thinking of NOT changing the exhaust, the stock exh is QUIET!...but a downpipe
> and gutting precats I'd like.
> What a formula car!  A+B+C=FAST!
>
> BTW if anyone wants a K&N conversion, be sure to get the FIPK kit for the 2nd generation
>
> DIAMOND STARS, because they come with bigger (longer by about 2-3") filter and are way
> CHEAPER!
> (about $85)...

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:47:30 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <WallisG@mwaa.com>
Subject: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars -Reply

Correct, it's just needs a wiring harness from what Mike's told me.
Should show up on my car soon :)

Gavin

>>> Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com> 04/29/99 12:45pm >>>
I asked Mike of Altered Atmosphere last week but didn't get an answer
yet so I'll ask you too.  What does it take to install a VPC on a 94+
car?  Do you hardwire it?  Do you snip off the VPC's connector and
install a new one?  Do you make a short converter harness to mate with
the VPC and the ECU (??) connector?

It would be great if a pin-out diagram could be placed on the 3si &
3000gt web pages.  It would also be great if someone (Mike??) could
make
and sell a low cost converter so one wouldn't have to butcher the VPC.

Maybe this info isn't forthcoming because you guys want to hold on to
your advantage ;), hmmm?

- -Ken
'91 VR4 but wanting a 94+

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:49:37 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <WallisG@mwaa.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

Something i've never been clear on....is your attempt to get into 11's on
stock turbos to do it a weight reduction fashion, thus costing no money.
Or is it just to try to do, regardless of cost?

Gavin

>>> Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com> 04/29/99 02:14pm >>>
Are you running stock Turbos????  If so this helps my theory of 11's
possible on a stock
tubo car w/o nos only 0.387 to go.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:35:06 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

Hopefully a little of both.  Low cost, as well as wight reduction.  If you don't replace
the turbos you can get away alot less expensive. Aiming for under $3k.  Right now,
woking on some intercooler sprayers.  An MR-2 guy reported 20% efficiency gain in the IC
by spraying it.  Anybody tried this?

Gavin Wallis wrote:

> Something i've never been clear on....is your attempt to get into 11's on
> stock turbos to do it a weight reduction fashion, thus costing no money.
> Or is it just to try to do, regardless of cost?
>
> Gavin
>
> >>> Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com> 04/29/99 02:14pm >>>
> Are you running stock Turbos????  If so this helps my theory of 11's
> possible on a stock
> tubo car w/o nos only 0.387 to go.
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:02:09 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Parts for sale (from the DSM parts trader site)

Maybe this is of interest for somebody :

- ----
>From Chris (shadowphantom_1@hotmail.com),
IP 209.254.97.195 April 28, 1999 - 10:11:42 AM

I have the following items for sale. No haggling. I will negotiate if someone
is interested in everything.
APEXi Super AFC $250 Shipped
RC Engineering 560cc Injectors $425 shipped (6 from a 3000GT)
1998 Repair Manuals (new just opened) $40 shipped
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Roger

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:13:01 PDT
From: "Chris S." <shadowphantom_1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Parts for sale (from the DSM parts trader site)

I only have the APEXi Super AFC left.  I will sell it for $230
shipped.  If anyone is interested please reply PRIVATELY.

Thanks,
Chris

>
>Maybe this is of interest for somebody :
>
>----
>>From Chris (shadowphantom_1@hotmail.com),
>IP 209.254.97.195 April 28, 1999 - 10:11:42 AM
>
>I have the following items for sale. No haggling. I will negotiate if
someone
>is interested in everything.
>APEXi Super AFC $250 Shipped
>RC Engineering 560cc Injectors $425 shipped (6 from a 3000GT)
>1998 Repair Manuals (new just opened) $40 shipped
>----
>
>Regards,
>Roger
>
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>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:01:53 -0700
From: "Dave Allison" <dallison@siebel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

Adam Saruwatari, the popular RX-7 drag racer uses NOS to cool his
intercooler instead of injecting it into his combustion chamber. Perhaps
this is something to consider?

Seeya.

Dave Allison


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From: Andrew Brilliant [mailto:andrewb@infowest.com]
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To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply


Hopefully a little of both.  Low cost, as well as wight reduction.  If you
don't replace
the turbos you can get away alot less expensive. Aiming for under $3k.
Right now,
woking on some intercooler sprayers.  An MR-2 guy reported 20% efficiency
gain in the IC
by spraying it.  Anybody tried this?

Gavin Wallis wrote:

> Something i've never been clear on....is your attempt to get into 11's on
> stock turbos to do it a weight reduction fashion, thus costing no money.
> Or is it just to try to do, regardless of cost?
>
> Gavin
>
> >>> Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com> 04/29/99 02:14pm >>>
> Are you running stock Turbos????  If so this helps my theory of 11's
> possible on a stock
> tubo car w/o nos only 0.387 to go.
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:14:25 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

At 03:01 PM 4/29/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Adam Saruwatari, the popular RX-7 drag racer uses NOS to cool his
>intercooler instead of injecting it into his combustion chamber. Perhaps
>this is something to consider?


Hmmm.... instead of NOS, how about compressed air? We could direct a stream
of air under high pressure directly into the air stream to the brake ducts
(or in front of the intercoolers, for that matter). The electronics
industry uses compressed air valves to cool hot electrical enclosures in
hazardous areas. Compressed air shot through the right aeration valve gets
mighty dang cold -- about 32 degF or less.

Next question? Where do we get the compressed air? We could mount an air
tank (same as racers take to the track) and fill it with 90psi air. That
should last a little while. It probably would last a quarter mile for drag
racing, even at full blast. For short squirts in braking, it might go 20
minutes. Any other ideas? How much pressure comes out of the bleeder valve?

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:21:02 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

Do you mean the wastegate?  Blow air from the wastegate to the brakes.  I owuld imagine
a mich higher volum of air is just moving mby the car at speed.  I was of the
understanding that the air after the compresor was hot from the compression.  I think
the compressed air you speak of is cold because of the propellant, and it's reaction.
Fast moving air shoul be hotter.  Just my .02 from physics 210.  Been a while though.

Merritt wrote:

> At 03:01 PM 4/29/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Adam Saruwatari, the popular RX-7 drag racer uses NOS to cool his
> >intercooler instead of injecting it into his combustion chamber. Perhaps
> >this is something to consider?
>
> Hmmm.... instead of NOS, how about compressed air? We could direct a stream
> of air under high pressure directly into the air stream to the brake ducts
> (or in front of the intercoolers, for that matter). The electronics
> industry uses compressed air valves to cool hot electrical enclosures in
> hazardous areas. Compressed air shot through the right aeration valve gets
> mighty dang cold -- about 32 degF or less.
>
> Next question? Where do we get the compressed air? We could mount an air
> tank (same as racers take to the track) and fill it with 90psi air. That
> should last a little while. It probably would last a quarter mile for drag
> racing, even at full blast. For short squirts in braking, it might go 20
> minutes. Any other ideas? How much pressure comes out of the bleeder valve?
>
> Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:37:07 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply

Don't waste your breath or time on getting Mitsu to respond to much of anything, other than if you want to spend more hard-earned cash for repairs on stuff that should be lasting 50-60,000 miles easy.

I've wasted about 2-3 weeks worth of time, trying to get some acknowledgement from them on the Getrag Tranny issue, and I'll I got was a canned response.  Oh, they were good enought to call me and provide a bogus lead to someone WHO MIGHT BE ABLE to supply me with the parts I was looking for.  They knew better, but did it anyway.

Love my car, but it's getting close to dump it time and you can bet the farm, Mitsu WILL NOT get my business again.  Too many other choices out there, that don't take your money and run, but stand up behind what they build.  I guess they (Mitsu) can do that, since we won't stand up and say we've had enough.  We'd rather just sit behind our computer keyboards and type out bitch messages to ourselves, rather than to the people who really need to be reading it.  Silence gets you nowhere, Shouting gets reaction  - and we need reaction & ACTION by Mitsu on many fronts.  Otherwise, why spend $40-50k on a toy that you can just look at, but would like to drive.
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On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:50:32   Gavin Wallis wrote:
>Perhaps it's time for some of us to try to track down a Mitsu rep and ask
>him/her to sit in a conference phone call or give us an e-mail address.
>
>I could prolly take on the task in a week or so...although I'd like to
>concentrate on the hoods for now. Anyone else not mind being a pain in
>the ass and know how to get around secretaries?
>
>Gavin
>
>>>> Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com> 04/29/99 10:47am >>>
>  Unfortunately we talking about the same company that all but refused to
>humor the idea
>that the AWD DSM transfer cases needed to be recalled for a leak even
>after years of AWD
>lockups and even a few deaths.  I think this is also a big reason behind
>there being
>little Mitsu participation in chat or discounts on the DSM list, a HUGE list
>that had to
>force the transfer case recall.  I beleive this is also the same company
>that'd rather
>lose 95% of they're loyal drivers by not having a 4 cyl turbo in the new
>Eclipse then
>possibly think that their ideas aren't always the best even though they're
>in bad
>shape.  Don't get me wrong, I love Mitsu products, atleast up till now.  I
>do however
>question their ideas, ethics and reasoning.  It might be a harsh
>conclusion, but one
>might get the idea that Mitsu could care less after the sale, what reason
>do we have to
>think otherwise?
>  Wouldn't it be great if all of our questions could be answered by Mitsu
>reps siting
>actual facts rather than our own guesses or limitted experience?  I know
>someone at
>Mitsu knows how the stuff works, hell, they made it!  I can recall many
>questions that I
>and others have had that were only answered by guesses, logic, or
>speculation, not
>actual fact.  Should we have to disect our vehicles for understanding?
>It's not a new
>species, it's a car that was thought out, designed, and built and yet we
>know so little
>about it's workings.
>
>Jason
>
>p.s.  I'll leave most of the prior message attached (with minor editing) as it
>was
>posted awhile back and took me some time to respond to.
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:45:49 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

Merritt,

You need something that goes through a phase change when released from
pressure. Compressed air doesn't do this.  It must be a material that
will be liquid in the bottle and then change to gas when released to
ambiant pressure. This phase change sucks up huge amounts of energy (how
huge depends on the material) resulting in extreme cooling (just like
your air conditioner works.)

Regards,
Lynn

Merritt wrote:
>
> At 03:01 PM 4/29/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Adam Saruwatari, the popular RX-7 drag racer uses NOS to cool his
> >intercooler instead of injecting it into his combustion chamber. Perhaps
> >this is something to consider?
>
> Hmmm.... instead of NOS, how about compressed air? We could direct a stream
> of air under high pressure directly into the air stream to the brake ducts
> (or in front of the intercoolers, for that matter). The electronics
> industry uses compressed air valves to cool hot electrical enclosures in
> hazardous areas. Compressed air shot through the right aeration valve gets
> mighty dang cold -- about 32 degF or less.
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:35:53 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

>You need something that goes through a phase change when released from
>pressure. Compressed air doesn't do this.

I am thinking of cooling valves that vent compressed air through some kind
of aerodynamic gadget that cools the air dramatically. Blow compressed air
on your hand at a filling station: it's COLD. And not because the tank is
underground. Such valves are used to cool hot electrical enclosures, and
all they use is compressed shop air to do it. No propellants, no phase
changes, none of that stuff. Somebody help me out here.

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:49:44 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

There are air coolers available for industrial use. ( MSC catalog has them )
But they require a large volume of air.  I just joined the list so I have
not followed the entire thread, are you looking to use a compressor running
off of the engine ( sucking HP )   or using a tank of air for short 1/4 mile
runs?

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From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply


>>You need something that goes through a phase change when released from
>>pressure. Compressed air doesn't do this.
>
>I am thinking of cooling valves that vent compressed air through some kind
>of aerodynamic gadget that cools the air dramatically. Blow compressed air
>on your hand at a filling station: it's COLD. And not because the tank is
>underground. Such valves are used to cool hot electrical enclosures, and
>all they use is compressed shop air to do it. No propellants, no phase
>changes, none of that stuff. Somebody help me out here.
>
>Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:24:04 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE:Intake Plenum

Anyone know a lot about air flow properties?
I am wondering exactly how important it is for flow to make a tapered tank
on the plenum VS just a log type with a  rounded end.

Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated.
I am having problems finding a sheet metal shop that can bend the end tank
to my specifications, seems a log type will look nice and be easier to
build.  However, some, even if minimal HP and TQ is the goal here, not ease
of construction.



> Brad
Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


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From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Roger Gerl
Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 3:06 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum

Great !

Let's keep this here on the list as some points my be discussed with the
input
from others.

> Things I hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks, weight
savings,
> and the ability to change the spark plugs w/out removing the plenum.

The last one sounds very, very interesting as I just don't know how this
should
work. The only way is to move it more forward but then the runner become
shorter. This may reduce torque but also increase response and power in the
top
end. IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end torque.

> The piece will be polished aluminum, use all the stock brackets and
hardware
> with the exception of the EGR.

Does this mean that you remove the EGR path in the manifold ? If so, why not
only add two threads for the EGR pipe that can simply be connected and
therefore
will be blocked off due to this. WOuld this work ?

> If I can sell 10 of these manifolds, I am sure I can produce them for
around
> 500.00-550.00 each shipped to your door. (US shipping Only)

Argh, I just can imagine how much shipping cost would be for Europe :(

> How many vacuum ports would be needed?  Stock has two small ones and two
> large ones if I am not mistaken.

This is what I would need :

- - Boost controller (s)
- - Boost meter (s)
- - VPC pressure reading (s)
- - Fuel pressure (s)
- - BOV (s)
- - VPC (l)
- - two stock ones for this and that (l)

Also it would be nice to have to positions where a spray jet can be mounted.
The
position should be designed that both jets together cover the whole runner
area
evenly (yes, direct water/alcohol injection.

Maybe also a design that allows somebody to drill two or three holes to add
additional injectors (I personally don't like this) and a nitrous wet/dry
system.

Mikael had the idea of turning the TB to the other side and I already
thought of
a design with two TBs on each side. The last one could be more easily to be
designed as the shape could be mirrored. The idea behind this is to provide
as
short as possible IC piping with as less bends as possible. To be honest, to
make the thing absolutely perfect the engine must be turned ... and this is
no
option to me :(

Any more ideas ??

For the price, I think $500 (w/o shipping) should be the maximum. Of course
this
depends on how much additional work you'll have with the more ideas that
come :)
BTW, for me also a plenum with prepared spots for additional threads to
drill
myself would be ok too.

Thanks in advance,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:21:24 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

>>You need something that goes through a phase change when released from
>>pressure. Compressed air doesn't do this.
>
>I am thinking of cooling valves that vent compressed air through some kind
>of aerodynamic gadget that cools the air dramatically. Blow compressed air
>on your hand at a filling station: it's COLD. they use is compressed shop air to do
it. No propellants, no phasechanges, none of that stuff. Somebody help me out here.


No magic there,  simply physics in action --- equation of state for an ideal gas ---
PV = RT where R is a universal gas constant. R is different for different gasses
but it is a constant for any calculations you do with the same gas [ air = 53.54
ft-lbf/lbm ].
The equations for initial and final states is    P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2 --- this is a variation
of
Boyles' law. This law is responsible for the fact that when you compress a gas it gets hot
and conversely when you expand a gas it gets cool. Back in the old days the first A/C
units ran on compressed air [ even before Old Poops time ].
Phase change gives better cooling because of latent heat vaporization but pressure
change works also.

    Jim Berry

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:31:44 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!

>I have the magazine!
>There are about 50 pages; a bunch are pictures with captions; pretty many graphs.  If
>one could read Japanese it would take awhile including typing but if you can do it...!
>I can get some good quality photocopies.  I have a copy machine repairman friend (no
>joke) who MAY be able to get color photocopies...
>Jack


Yikes!!!!    I wasn't expecting a 50 page tome. However if you get me a copy I'll see what
I can do.
Color would be nice but probably not necessary for translation purposes. Email me about
getting
a copy to me.  fastmax@home.com

         Jim Berry

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:37:16 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

Merrit and James,

I stand corrected. Initially I was going to say that as P1->P2 there was
indeed a drop in pressure which alone would require T1->T2 to also
reduce, but V1->V2 was an increase and negated the pressure drop, BUT as
you state when you compress a gas it heats therefore when you decrease
its pressure it must cool. (This can also be proven by a conservation of
energy equation: energy cannot be created or destroyed.)

Regards,
Lynn

james berry wrote:
>
> >>You need something that goes through a phase change when released from
> >>pressure. Compressed air doesn't do this.
> >
> >I am thinking of cooling valves that vent compressed air through some kind
> >of aerodynamic gadget that cools the air dramatically. Blow compressed air
> >on your hand at a filling station: it's COLD. they use is compressed shop air to do
> it. No propellants, no phasechanges, none of that stuff. Somebody help me out here.
>
> No magic there,  simply physics in action --- equation of state for an ideal gas ---
> PV = RT where R is a universal gas constant. R is different for different gasses
> but it is a constant for any calculations you do with the same gas [ air = 53.54
> ft-lbf/lbm ].
> The equations for initial and final states is    P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2 --- this is a variation
> of
> Boyles' law. This law is responsible for the fact that when you compress a gas it gets hot
> and conversely when you expand a gas it gets cool. Back in the old days the first A/C
> units ran on compressed air [ even before Old Poops time ].
> Phase change gives better cooling because of latent heat vaporization but pressure
> change works also.
>
>     Jim Berry
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:54:20 -0400
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

What about using a water and rubbing alcohol or other high vapor
pressure liquid which will evaporate quickly to cool the intercoolers?
The compressed air idea is good, but then we have to mount the tanks,
the jets and regulators, etc. whereas the washer tank and pump is
already there, and the jets can be re-directed. For road racing, they
could be re-positioned and have a tip that "mists" that could be used to
cool the brakes.

Matt
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:23:44 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE:Intake Plenum

Brad Bedell wrote:

> Anyone know a lot about air flow properties?
> wondering  how important it is for flow to make a tapered tank
> on the plenum VS  log  with rounded end.
> I am having problems finding shop that can bend end tank
> to my specs, seems log type look nice and easier to
> build.

I  think it would be fine to build it log type, nontapered.  There are precedents either
way.
The Toyota CART engine, along with man other such, has a large box with throttlebody
on one end, untapered.  The Porsche LeMans type cars have turbos with slightly tapered
tube over the throttlebodies.  The intake plenum size and runner size/length are
important; but
better a little bigger and nonrestricting than too small.  Plenum serves as a pressure
reservoir,
and as each valve opens it taps off the common reservoir; if too small, or robbed of air

by the next-door neighbor just having "sucked" or in process of "sucking", a taper could

make a relative low pressure zone.  A big open space above each helps.  If  you could
play around and try with every combination of boost, fuelcurve, turbos, exhaust etc you
could probably come up with an optimum taper to avoid unnecessary plenum volume which
can
cause slightly longer turbo lag effect...but for each combination would be a little
different
and so I'd say build the simple log and let God sort it out, IMO...

Jack Tertadian

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:25:49 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!

Andrew Brilliant wrote:

> Are you running stock Turbos?  If so this helps my theory of 11's possible on a stock
> tubo car w/o nos only 0.387 to go.

Yes, stock turbos.  I think 11's are possible with stock turbos.  I am not chasing after it,
though.
Jack T.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:51:28 -0400
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch GP

Roger,
Andy is a participant in the GP. He ordered at the same time as everyone
else.
Frank
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From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch GP


>> I thought everyone in the group purchase was aware that RPS will not be
>> shipping the clutches until mid May. Sorry Andy if you were not made
aware
>> of this.
>
>Acc.Acc. gave Andy the same price on the clutch as the participants in the
GP. I
>have not been informed by Matt or Frank that there is another friend who
takes
>one. But, this is what a GP organisator is for.
>
>All: This seems to be an ongoing GP :)
>
>-----------------------
>Roger Gerl, Switzerland
>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>K&N FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi AFC,HKS SBOV,
>ATR DP/ tespipe,Borla Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko AVS-Z1,braided brake
lines,
>Bremsa brakes,Pagid RS-R pads
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:04:01 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

At 07:49 PM 4/6/99 -0400, you wrote:
>There are air coolers available for industrial use. ( MSC catalog has them )

\What's an MSC catalog?  Is it on the net?

>But they require a large volume of air.

Hmmm. How much?

> I just joined the list so I have
>not followed the entire thread, are you looking to use a compressor running
>off of the engine ( sucking HP )  

No

or using a tank of air for short 1/4 mile
>runs?

That's the question. I think a small tank, like racers take to the track
with 90 psi of air, might supply enough cooling air for intercoolers, or
maybe to help cool brakes.

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:08:37 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

At 08:54 PM 4/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>What about using a water and rubbing alcohol or other high vapor
>pressure liquid which will evaporate quickly to cool the intercoolers?

Hmmm....again. I like this idea too. Might not work for the brakes, because
we want water vapor to hit the brakes, not just cold air. But then again,
maybe it would.

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:05:59 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

>Boyles' law. This law is responsible for the fact that when you compress a
gas it gets hot
>and conversely when you expand a gas it gets cool. Back in the old days
the first A/C
>units ran on compressed air [ even before Old Poops time ].
>Phase change gives better cooling because of latent heat vaporization but
pressure
>change works also.

Thanks, Jim. Now that you remind me, I think I recall some of this from
thermodynamics...or was it physics?

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!


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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:22:57 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

> You need something that goes through a phase change when released from
> pressure. Compressed air doesn't do this.

CO2 & nitrogen are two good candidates. Both are liquid in compressed
state and come out well below freezing. They are both readily
available at gas supply houses and are economical to buy and pressure
vessels are reasonable as well. Nitrogen is higher priced and so are
the vessels due to higher pressures.

Ron
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:27:20 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars

Ken Middaugh wrote:

> xwing wrote:
> > 1994 Mitsu VR4  with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
> > 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.   Full interior except spare and jack.  Geez.
>
> Great time Jack!
> I asked Mike of Altered Atmosphere last week but didn't get an answer
> yet so I'll ask you too.  What does it take to install a VPC on a 94+
> car?  Do you hardwire it?  Do you snip off the VPC's connector and
> install a new one?  Do you make a short converter harness to mate with
> the VPC and the ECU (??) connector?
>
> It would be great if a pin-out diagram could be placed on the 3si &
> 3000gt web pages.  It would also be great if someone (Mike??) could make
> and sell a low cost converter so one wouldn't have to butcher the VPC.
>
> Maybe this info isn't forthcoming because you guys want to hold on to
> your advantage ;), hmmm?

mmmMMOOOHHHOHOHHHHhhhahhhahhaahhhhahaahhhhhh!
Does anybody remember Daystrom, the guy on that original Star Trek
episode, who built the M5 computer to run the ship but it went wild and
destroyed innocents, and Daystrom went mad himself?   hehehe.
It is doable.  I've done it, I'm not magical.  Mike Mahaffey has done it and
can do it for people.  It is a question to me, whether to say how because
it DID take me about a week in off hours, late nights, all the while talking to
Barry King, Jeff Wong, Tom  in Idaho, Mike M, etc on MIRC trying to keep my mouth
shut like that mathematics wizard who solved Fermat's last theorum with 7 years
of work all in secret from his best friends...to go through all the wiring
diagrams on Vineet Singh's 3S CD-ROM manual masterpiece...there
were problems along the way, like some diagrams  you can't read all the
numbers, on some the numbers are just plain WRONG!!!!!, the way you
look at the connectors/diagrams was trippy and cost me DAYS of
wasted time and several wiring mistakes that just didn't work but
fortunately didn't melt anything!

If I hadn't had a GCC I probably would have given up.  There is a clue
in the GCC that told me what was missing/what was different but not where
to get it FROM, nor whether it could be gotten...I had to crossreference to the Stealth
diagrams some of which are better quality reproductions.  In the end it
is not hard to effect the mods, but if it was so EASY then HK$ could have been selling these
damned things to 1994-1999 cars, since 1994 !

So, I'd say buy your VPC's from Mike Mahaffey and be happy.  I bet his prices are just fine.
Or, you could send me $50 and I'll tell you how.  Or, all hundreds of us could pool $ together

to send me the $50 and then I'll blab.  Or, I could have pissed somebody off enough
by now that they do it themselves...or don't...but they feel my pain!  I gave you the GCC
clue!  Knowing it CAN be done makes it easier, a matter of TIME not POSSIBILITY.
I had no certainty it would work; only HK$'s years of NOT making one to say it would NOT.
Since HK$ told me way back in 1994 the VPC didn't work right even on 91-93 cars
and they sold me mine ONLY on the proviso that "When it doesn't work, you promise
not to try to make us take it back!" but it was a key to the car's high-boost performance--I
had
a thought line that said it probably could be made to work.  So, chancing melting the
ECU, tapping and splicing various wires (mostly because of the stupid diagrams/way
they talk about connectors) I got it to work.  THAT was a Eureka!  I was sure I
had it several times before that; several heart-rending failures; it was the last try.
(Picture the Wailing, the Gnashing of Teeth, the Blood, Sweat, and Tears!)
I must be allowed at least a day or several to gloat and act secretive, that is one of the
best parts of the Secret Speed Tricks Game!  hhhehehheheehehhe...

Oh I suppose if one got a VPC  USED one wouldn't buy from Mike, so I may come clean
about it soon.  BUT let me say, there is no reason NOT to buy it from Mike assuming
the price is reasonable unless people have something (odd) against somebody making a go
of it selling parts for our cars YET NOT ripping some people off.

I haven't the time to do such a business justice, so I am happy when others do stuff; like
having Dave Buschur have SFI certified harmonic balancers made for our cars (they should
be ready soon, supposedly; Bushcur Racing said about 2 weeks ago).  I bought the carbon
hood from GT Alley--before they closed up and burned Todd Shelton and Roger Gerl.  I'd say
buy the VPC's from Mike Mahaffey and be happy.  In the end, we have a greater chance of
success and neat parts in the FUTURE if we support those who support us NOW...Pick up
some RC 720cc injectors and a GCC from him while you're at it.  No reason NOT to use them, and
then you are wide open/almost unlimited capability.  Or, 550-560's...used; then wouldn't lose
money
if sold them someday for 720's.  You DO need GCC to run 720's, but do NOT need GCC for 550/560

which saves alot of money upfront.  For sure, I'd support Mike/Altered Atmospheres,
Frank/Accelerated,
Chien/Nexus, ?Brad Bedell Performance Unlimited?,  as they actually INTERACT with us here
sometimes!
 (hope I didn't forget anybody)...

Whoa what a rant this turned out to be.  Most of it self congratulatory crappo!  Oh well.
 I am going to put bigger turbos on this car so I can kick more [insert any other car make]
ass around any block I so choose.  mmmOOOHOOOHHOHHAhahahhahahhhhhhhhhh!
"Somebody Stop Me", eh Rich?

Our cars sure are neat.

Jack Tertadian





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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:29:46 -0400
From: "Lieberman, Jason" <JLieber@bsadpo.emba.uvm.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!

i have a friend thats fluient in japanese. i'll see if i can locate him.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james berry [SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:32 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
>
> >I have the magazine!
> >There are about 50 pages; a bunch are pictures with captions; pretty
> many graphs.  If
> >one could read Japanese it would take awhile including typing but if
> you can do it...!
> >I can get some good quality photocopies.  I have a copy machine
> repairman friend (no
> >joke) who MAY be able to get color photocopies...
> >Jack
>
>
> Yikes!!!!    I wasn't expecting a 50 page tome. However if you get me
> a copy I'll see what
> I can do.
> Color would be nice but probably not necessary for translation
> purposes. Email me about
> getting
> a copy to me.  fastmax@home.com
>
>          Jim Berry
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:48:26 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars

Dr. Jack, you are a hoot!

Any events coming up at Road America in the near future? I can't find any
except for the Shelby-American club, and they don't let us in.

Rich/old poop
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:08:04 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

MSC is online but for the life of me I could not find them.   I have a
couple of catalogs at work. ( we order from them almost every day ) I will
get the address Monday.   MSC stands for Manhatten Supply Co. and they sell
machine shop supplies and other industrial products.
    Just checked the Net again and found another source
http://www.mcmaster.com    searche for cooler, then choose spot cooler.
Here is a brief description.

Cold-Air Coolant Systems. Get rid of the mess of mist and spray systems and
eliminate the need
to clean coolant off your parts. Sys-tems convert clean, filtered factory
air to cold air through the use of a vortex tube. Systems have no moving
parts and need no electrical current to provide a continuous cold air
supply. Standard systems produce air that’s 50° F below the factory air
you’re using. Each has a 1 /4 9 NPT male air inlet connection, requires air
pressure of 80 to 110 psi, and uses 15 scfm at 100 psi.
That's seems like a lot of air and would need a pretty good sized tank.

Hope it helps,

Kevin Schappell
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Free ads, chat, links and research tools.

 >\What's an MSC catalog?  Is it on the net?

>Hmmm. How much?
>
 >
 >
>That's the question. I think a small tank, like racers take to the track
>with 90 psi of air, might supply enough cooling air for intercoolers, or
>maybe to help cool brakes.
>
>Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
>>
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:15:21 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars

Merritt wrote:

> Dr. Jack, you are a hoot!
> Any events coming up at Road America in the near future? I can't find any
> except for the Shelby-American club, and they don't let us in.
> Rich/old poop

I have a big list of midwest events from a buddy.  Next Road America is may 8-9 Chicago
Windy City BMW club; May 19-20, July 3-4, Aug 14-15 TrackTime events;  Aug 16-17 Viper
club; July 29-30 Nord Stern Porsche (Minnesota club); etc.  Also alot at Gingerman,
Blackhawk, etc etc.

Jack T.


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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:39:54 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch GP

Roger and Frank,
did we get enough participants to get into the better price brackets?
Oskar
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To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 20:47
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch GP


>Roger,
>Andy is a participant in the GP. He ordered at the same time as everyone
>else.
>Frank
>www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:59:50 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply

I don't know if this is of any help.   In physics at UCSD, a friend and I put together a
cooling system with no moving parts, used no electricity, and produced air that was -10
degrees C.  There were a stack of plates with holes drilled in them of alternating
size.  Compressed air was then blown into one side so to spin around the ring.  The
colder air would move to the center, and then float down, the hot air up,  The hottter
air was faster moving, and would move toward the outside ring.  The cold air toward the
middle.  Voila cold air out of one end, hot out of the other.  The more plates you would
stack the greater the difference in temperature.  Now thats an efficient sytem.. It
whistled at about 120db.  But it worked really well.  Could blow your compressed air. in
to their. or replace the AC compressor, and blow air through it.  Blowing 10deg C air
across the rotors... now that would cool em off.  You could run it continuous too.  It
was amazingly efficient.  Theoretically you could produce _very_ cold air like this.
The one we made was about 14" tall made -10C..  Just think what you could do with 10ft.

I might be able to find a schmatic.   I know that this is a long shot, but hey.. It
couldn't hurt any to suggest it  Sorry if I wasted bandwidth.


Merritt wrote:

> At 07:49 PM 4/6/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >There are air coolers available for industrial use. ( MSC catalog has them )
>
> \What's an MSC catalog?  Is it on the net?
>
> >But they require a large volume of air.
>
> Hmmm. How much?
>
> > I just joined the list so I have
> >not followed the entire thread, are you looking to use a compressor running
> >off of the engine ( sucking HP )
>
> No
>
> or using a tank of air for short 1/4 mile
> >runs?
>
> That's the question. I think a small tank, like racers take to the track
> with 90 psi of air, might supply enough cooling air for intercoolers, or
> maybe to help cool brakes.
>
> Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:13:40 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply

I've been fortunate and not had my getrag transmission die on me yet.  Of course, I only have 35,000 miles on the car, so I've got my fingers crossed that no problems will develop for plenty more miles.

All the stories I hear about transmissions failing and the incredible expense of getting a replacement make me think that a class action lawsuit against mitsu and/or getrag might be the only recourse to the transmission parts issue.

One thing I'm curious about is how many of the transmission failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs. stock.  Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300 HP.


Dave

Terry Swift wrote:

> Don't waste your breath or time on getting Mitsu to respond to much of anything, other than if you want to spend more hard-earned cash for repairs on stuff that should be lasting 50-60,000 miles easy.
>
> I've wasted about 2-3 weeks worth of time, trying to get some acknowledgement from them on the Getrag Tranny issue, and I'll I got was a canned response.  Oh, they were good enought to call me and provide a bogus lead to someone WHO MIGHT BE ABLE to supply me with the parts I was looking for.  They knew better, but did it anyway.
>
> Love my car, but it's getting close to dump it time and you can bet the farm, Mitsu WILL NOT get my business again.  Too many other choices out there, that don't take your money and run, but stand up behind what they build.  I guess they (Mitsu) can do that, since we won't stand up and say we've had enough.  We'd rather just sit behind our computer keyboards and type out bitch messages to ourselves, rather than to the people who really need to be reading it.  Silence gets you nowhere, Shouting gets reaction  - and we need reaction & ACTION by Mitsu on many fronts.  Otherwise, why spend $40-50k on a toy that you can just look at, but would like to drive.
> --
>
> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:50:32   Gavin Wallis wrote:
> >Perhaps it's time for some of us to try to track down a Mitsu rep and ask
> >him/her to sit in a conference phone call or give us an e-mail address.
> >
> >I could prolly take on the task in a week or so...although I'd like to
> >concentrate on the hoods for now. Anyone else not mind being a pain in
> >the ass and know how to get around secretaries?
> >
> >Gavin
> >
> >>>> Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com> 04/29/99 10:47am >>>
> >  Unfortunately we talking about the same company that all but refused to
> >humor the idea
> >that the AWD DSM transfer cases needed to be recalled for a leak even
> >after years of AWD
> >lockups and even a few deaths.  I think this is also a big reason behind
> >there being
> >little Mitsu participation in chat or discounts on the DSM list, a HUGE list
> >that had to
> >force the transfer case recall.  I beleive this is also the same company
> >that'd rather
> >lose 95% of they're loyal drivers by not having a 4 cyl turbo in the new
> >Eclipse then
> >possibly think that their ideas aren't always the best even though they're
> >in bad
> >shape.  Don't get me wrong, I love Mitsu products, atleast up till now.  I
> >do however
> >question their ideas, ethics and reasoning.  It might be a harsh
> >conclusion, but one
> >might get the idea that Mitsu could care less after the sale, what reason
> >do we have to
> >think otherwise?
> >  Wouldn't it be great if all of our questions could be answered by Mitsu
> >reps siting
> >actual facts rather than our own guesses or limitted experience?  I know
> >someone at
> >Mitsu knows how the stuff works, hell, they made it!  I can recall many
> >questions that I
> >and others have had that were only answered by guesses, logic, or
> >speculation, not
> >actual fact.  Should we have to disect our vehicles for understanding?
> >It's not a new
> >species, it's a car that was thought out, designed, and built and yet we
> >know so little
> >about it's workings.
> >
> >Jason
> >
> >p.s.  I'll leave most of the prior message attached (with minor editing) as it
> >was
> >posted awhile back and took me some time to respond to.
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