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Team3S Digest
Thursday, April 29 1999 Volume
01 : Number
166
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:07:30 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Cooler airflow
> Won't cooler air before the turbine
increase the turbines
> efficiency as it can only spin
> so much,
and denser air in=more compressed air out.
>
> After the turbine the
amount of airflow has already been
> determined you will just
casue
> the intake charge to be more dense, but not increase the total
volume?
We're not worried about the volume of airflow, but the
temperature of the
air when it gets to the combustion
chamber.
Michael
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Date:
Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:11:05 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Cooler airflow
Right, but my understanding is that Cooler air
combusts better because it is more
dense... Thus more air. Am I wrong,
or does the temperature cause a more powerful
explosion?
Michael
Dorsey wrote:
> > Won't cooler air before the turbine increase the
turbines
> > efficiency as it can only spin
> > so much, and
denser air in=more compressed air out.
> >
> > After the
turbine the amount of airflow has already been
> > determined you will
just casue
> > the intake charge to be more dense, but not increase the
total volume?
>
> We're not worried about the volume of airflow, but
the temperature of the
> air when it gets to the combustion
chamber.
>
> Michael
>
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Date:
Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:28:59 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Cooler airflow
You've pretty much got it I think.
Cool air is
denser and therefore contains more oxygen per volume. This
means more
fuel can be added to the mixture. The end result is more
violent
combustion of the charge and therefore more
power.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
> Andrew Brilliant
>
> Right, but my
understanding is that Cooler air combusts better
> because it is
more
> dense... Thus more air. Am I wrong, or does the
temperature
> cause a more powerful
> explosion?
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:43:36 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Cooler airflow
> Right, but my understanding is that
Cooler air combusts
> better because it is more
> dense... Thus more
air. Am I wrong, or does the temperature
> cause a more
powerful
> explosion?
>
You are right, but it's the final
temp when it reaches the combustion
chamber that matters, whether it's cooler
entering the intake, or cooled by
the IC's. Although, now that you're
making me think about it, the turbo's
should be able to sustain boost at a
higher RPM with a colder intake.
Michael
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Date:
Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:58:45 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
>BTW, the AP 14" brakes are pictured in
an Option 2 magazine September
>1996. That issue is FILLED with
tests of different ROTORS;
>CALIPERS/kits from AP, Brembo, Endless,
Nissan, TRD, Alcon, Endless;
>brake PAD tests on computer logger/graphing
of temp stability vs.
>force/fade for Pagid, Hawk, Ferodo, Brembo, FET,
Endless, Quest, GAB,
>Super Sprint, Zeal, Image, Performance Friction,
HKS, etc.
>Has tests of brake FLUID, braided brake LINES, additional items
like
>cooling ducts, caliper paints, temp monitor strips, etc and all
in
>Japanese so it was pretty much useless to this Gaijin except for
the
>pictures>(Brembos).
Do you have a copy of the magazine
or have you just seen it. If I can get a
copy I'll see that it gets
translated.
Jim Berry
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:14:57 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
james berry wrote:
> >BTW,
the AP 14" brakes are pictured in an Option 2 magazine September
>
>1996. That issue is FILLED with tests
> Do you have a copy
of the magazine or have you just seen it. If I can get a
> copy I'll
see that it gets translated.
> Jim Berry
I have the
magazine!
There are about 50 pages; a bunch are pictures with captions;
pretty many graphs. If
one could read Japanese it would take awhile
including typing but if you can do it...!
I can get some good quality
photocopies. I have a copy machine repairman friend (no
joke) who MAY
be able to get color photocopies...
Jack
BTW, drag outing last
night:
1994 Mitsu VR4 with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat,
VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
them
laying around :)
12.386 @
108.19mph...best mph 109.50. Full interior except spare and
jack. Geez.
I am thinking of NOT changing the exhaust, the stock
exh is QUIET!...but a downpipe
and gutting precats I'd like.
What a
formula car! A+B+C=FAST!
BTW if anyone wants a K&N conversion,
be sure to get the FIPK kit for the 2nd generation
DIAMOND STARS, because
they come with bigger (longer by about 2-3") filter and are
way
CHEAPER!
(about $85)...
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:22:56 -0400
From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Newbie Question
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First
off, I enjoyed reading the archives and have found allot of useful
=
information. Tuesday I purchased a 91 Stealth TT and I have a
few =
questions which I could not answer from reading the archives. My
boost =
gauge reads 14psi. in third gear with the throttle to the
floor. I was =
under the impression that stock boost was around 8-9
psi. I did not see =
a bleeder valve mod. under the hood so I am
thinking the gauge is way =
off or something is wrong with the waste
gate. Maybe a leak somewhere? =
Plans are to buy a quality gauge
and maybe an air/fuel ratio monitor in =
the very near
future.
TIA,
Kevin Schappell
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:34:02 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Newbie Question
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Congratulations on your purchase.
The 91-93 models did see
peak boost around 9.5 psi with small variations one
way or the other.
The factory boost gauge is wildly inaccurate, especially
above 6-7 psi.
It happily jumps to maximum indicated boost at anything much
over 6-7 psi
actual manifold pressure. You really can't use the factory
gauge as
anything other than an indication that there is indeed boost.
Acquiring a
decent aftermarket boost gauge is an excellent first
purchase.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:kevin@pacarsearch.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Schappell
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 6:23 AM
>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
>
Subject: Team3S: Newbie Question
>
> First off, I enjoyed reading
the archives and have found allot of
> useful information. Tuesday I
purchased a 91 Stealth TT and I
> have a few questions which I could
not answer from reading the
> archives. My boost gauge reads 14psi.
in third gear with the
> throttle to the floor. I was under the
impression that stock
> boost was around 8-9 psi. I did not see a
bleeder valve mod.
> under the hood so I am thinking the gauge is way off
or something
> is wrong with the waste gate. Maybe a leak
somewhere? Plans are
> to buy a quality gauge and maybe an air/fuel
ratio monitor in the
> very near future.
>
>
TIA,
>
> Kevin Schappell
> Auto Answers
> http://www.pacarsearch.com
>
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:32:01 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Newbie Question
Congrats to your new car!!
Regarding the
stock boost gauge all I can say is: Don't look at it, Just ignore it completely
because the value that it shows says nothing about your boost, it just indicates
that you have boost.
Get a real boost gauge or get a Blitz (DSBC) boost
controller with integrated boost gauge. This will ofcourse make it possible to
use higher boost and that's good because you will soon want to use higher boost,
you just don't know that yet :)
/Mikael, Sweden http://www.3000gt.nu
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From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Thursday, April 29, 1999 3:23 PM
Subject: Team3S: Newbie
Question
First off, I enjoyed reading the archives and have found
allot of useful information. Tuesday I purchased a 91 Stealth TT and
I have a few questions which I could not answer from reading the archives.
My boost gauge reads 14psi. in third gear with the throttle to the floor.
I was under the impression that stock boost was around 8-9 psi. I did not
see a bleeder valve mod. under the hood so I am thinking the gauge is way off or
something is wrong with the waste gate. Maybe a leak somewhere?
Plans are to buy a quality gauge and maybe an air/fuel ratio monitor in the very
near future.
TIA,
Kevin Schappell
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:03:40 -0400
From: Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Dragstrip Outing Weds, 9b boost...
xwing wrote:
> BTW,
drag outing last night:
>
> 1994 Mitsu VR4 with K&N,
bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
>
them
> laying around :)
> 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph
109.50. Full interior except spare and jack.
Geez.
Here's to Jack, the guy with a 10.8 second streetable VR4,
and a 12.38 second daily
driver. Hmm, you're not gonna tow the 93 with
the 94 are ya? :P
Congrats, getting close to
11s!!! I was hoping I'd be the first, even if it takes
me
years........ I was a little surprised lastnight when I wound out
third gear and never
dropped below .91 atmosphere (13.25psi or so) at
redline, hope it does the same at the
track.
Playing the winning lotto
numbers,
Jason
94 VR4, 93.5k miles, Weapon-R intake, gutted cats, Apexi
AVC-R, AND the WOT floormat mod.
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:53:37 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Dragstrip Outing
Original Message From: xwing
>1994
Mitsu VR4 with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc
injectors (I had them laying around :)
>12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph
109.50. Full interior except spare and jack. Geez.
Wow
that's a very good time. Congrats!
It would be interesting to know how
much the 720 injectors did. Do you have any idea about what dutycycle they where
on during WOT? I guess that they where far away from maxing out.
I would
also like to know more about the GCC, is it an ignition controller or is it just
an aoption to the VPC?
Ohh another question just popped up, how did you
get the VPC to work on a 94+ car?
/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:59:44 -0400
From: Kevin Schappell <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Newbie Question
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Actually I think I do know it already :-) Thanks
for the quick =
response. I will look into the Blitz DSBC, sounds like
a great idea. I =
was going to get a boost controller eventually and
since this one =
combines the guage and controller in one, it should be the
best option.
Thanks,
Kevin Schappell
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mikael =C5kesson [SMTP:vr4@bahnhof.se]
Sent: Thursday,
April 29, 1999 9:32 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Newbie Question
[Kevin] =20
Get a real boost
gauge or get a Blitz (DSBC) boost controller with =
integrated boost gauge.
This will ofcourse make it possible to use =
higher boost and that's good
because you will soon want to use higher =
boost, you just don't know that
yet :)
/Mikael, Sweden http://www.3000gt.nu
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To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
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Date:
Thursday, April 29, 1999 3:23 PM
Subject: Team3S: Newbie
Question
First off, I enjoyed reading the archives and have found
allot of useful =
information. Tuesday I purchased a 91 Stealth
TT and I have a few =
questions which I could not answer from reading
the archives. My boost =
gauge reads 14psi. in third gear with the
throttle to the floor. I was =
under the impression that stock boost
was around 8-9 psi. I did not see =
a bleeder valve mod. under the hood
so I am thinking the gauge is way =
off or something is wrong with the waste
gate. Maybe a leak somewhere? =
Plans are to buy a quality gauge
and maybe an air/fuel ratio monitor in =
the very near
future.
TIA,
Kevin Schappell
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:21:53 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dragstrip
Outing Weds, 9b boost...
Jack, nice times. How does the car idel with
those 720's?
Arty 91 VR-4
xwing wrote:
>
BTW, drag outing last night:
>
> 1994 Mitsu VR4
with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc
injectors (I
had
> them
> laying around :)
> 12.386 @
108.19mph...best mph 109.50. Full interior except spare and
jack.
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:47:28 -0400
From: Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Where's Mitsu?
Unfortunately we talking about the same
company that all but refused to humor the idea
that the AWD DSM transfer
cases needed to be recalled for a leak even after years of AWD
lockups and
even a few deaths. I think this is also a big reason behind there
being
little Mitsu participation in chat or discounts on the DSM list, a HUGE
list that had to
force the transfer case recall. I beleive this is also
the same company that'd rather
lose 95% of they're loyal drivers by not
having a 4 cyl turbo in the new Eclipse then
possibly think that their ideas
aren't always the best even though they're in bad
shape. Don't get me
wrong, I love Mitsu products, atleast up till now. I do
however
question their ideas, ethics and reasoning. It might be a harsh
conclusion, but one
might get the idea that Mitsu could care less after the
sale, what reason do we have to
think otherwise?
Wouldn't it be
great if all of our questions could be answered by Mitsu reps siting
actual
facts rather than our own guesses or limitted experience? I know someone
at
Mitsu knows how the stuff works, hell, they made it! I can recall
many questions that I
and others have had that were only answered by guesses,
logic, or speculation, not
actual fact. Should we have to disect our
vehicles for understanding? It's not a new
species, it's a car that was
thought out, designed, and built and yet we know so little
about it's
workings.
Jason
p.s. I'll leave most of the prior message
attached (with minor editing) as it was
posted awhile back and took me some
time to respond to.
Merritt wrote:
Whilst we are having this
marvelous discussion about brakes, the thought occurs: Where's
Mitsubishi
when we really need them?
snip
I remember the glory days of
Datsun, when they competed in SCCA club racing, Pro
rallying, and world
championship rallying... and Datsun was a power to be reckoned with
all
over the world.
snip
And Datsun Competition helped us out
greatly... we got a 15% discount at the dealer,
and they often made
parts from the works rally cars available.
snip
So, where's Mitsu?
Why isn't someone from Mitsu participating in our discussions?
Where
can we get tech help? Where can we buy factory parts? Seems to me
they are missing a
great opportunity to support a bunch of loyal
enthusiasts. Anybody know anyone at
Mitsubishi?
Rich/old poop/94
VR4
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:50:32 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <WallisG@mwaa.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Where's Mitsu? -Reply
Perhaps it's time for some of us to try to track
down a Mitsu rep and ask
him/her to sit in a conference phone call or give us
an e-mail address.
I could prolly take on the task in a week or
so...although I'd like to
concentrate on the hoods for now. Anyone else not
mind being a pain in
the ass and know how to get around
secretaries?
Gavin
>>> Dane Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com> 04/29/99 10:47am
>>>
Unfortunately we talking about the same company that all
but refused to
humor the idea
that the AWD DSM transfer cases needed to be
recalled for a leak even
after years of AWD
lockups and even a few
deaths. I think this is also a big reason behind
there being
little
Mitsu participation in chat or discounts on the DSM list, a HUGE list
that
had to
force the transfer case recall. I beleive this is also the same
company
that'd rather
lose 95% of they're loyal drivers by not having a 4
cyl turbo in the new
Eclipse then
possibly think that their ideas aren't
always the best even though they're
in bad
shape. Don't get me
wrong, I love Mitsu products, atleast up till now. I
do
however
question their ideas, ethics and reasoning. It might be a
harsh
conclusion, but one
might get the idea that Mitsu could care less
after the sale, what reason
do we have to
think otherwise?
Wouldn't it be great if all of our questions could be answered by Mitsu
reps
siting
actual facts rather than our own guesses or limitted experience?
I know
someone at
Mitsu knows how the stuff works, hell, they made
it! I can recall many
questions that I
and others have had that were
only answered by guesses, logic, or
speculation, not
actual fact.
Should we have to disect our vehicles for understanding?
It's not a
new
species, it's a car that was thought out, designed, and built and yet
we
know so little
about it's workings.
Jason
p.s. I'll
leave most of the prior message attached (with minor editing) as
it
was
posted awhile back and took me some time to respond to.
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:15:53 -0500
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Throw out bearing question
Hey everyone,
I've got a quick
question that needs a quick answer. I'm in the process of
buying an ACT
clutch for my 95 R/T TT. Can I buy a stock throw out bearing
to go with
the stock clutch? I guess ACT is a little slow with
suppling
them. Or maybe even ACT uses the stock throw out
bearing?? Please reply to
me privately. I have to make a decision
in a few hours.
Thanks,
Curt G
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota
3/S at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:45:20 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars
xwing wrote:
snip
> 1994 Mitsu VR4
with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I
had
> them
> laying around :)
> 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph
109.50. Full interior except spare and jack.
Geez.
Great time Jack!
I asked Mike of Altered Atmosphere last
week but didn't get an answer
yet so I'll ask you too. What does it
take to install a VPC on a 94+
car? Do you hardwire it? Do you
snip off the VPC's connector and
install a new one? Do you make a short
converter harness to mate with
the VPC and the ECU (??) connector?
It
would be great if a pin-out diagram could be placed on the 3si &
3000gt
web pages. It would also be great if someone (Mike??) could make
and
sell a low cost converter so one wouldn't have to butcher the VPC.
Maybe
this info isn't forthcoming because you guys want to hold on to
your
advantage ;), hmmm?
- -Ken
'91 VR4 but wanting a 94+
- --
How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is
lost!
Ken Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619)
455-4510
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:28:30 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: TEC phone #
Howdy folks...
I need a phone number for TEC
(turbo engineering corp). Can't seem to locate
a web site.
Can anyone
help?
Thanks in advance!!!
Looking forward...Chris
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and
polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A
boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom
intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double
platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:40:51 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: TEC phone #
TEC's number is 303-271-3997 and talk to Jim or
Holly. URL is
www.turboengineering.com
Jeffrey
92
RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>
>I
need a phone number for TEC (turbo engineering corp). Can't seem
to
locate
>a web site.
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:47:16 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RPS Clutch GP
> I thought everyone in the group purchase was
aware that RPS will not be
> shipping the clutches until mid May. Sorry
Andy if you were not made aware
> of this.
Acc.Acc. gave Andy the
same price on the clutch as the participants in the GP. I
have not been
informed by Matt or Frank that there is another friend who takes
one. But,
this is what a GP organisator is for.
All: This seems to be an ongoing GP
:)
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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT
TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
K&N FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual
Timer,Apexi AFC,HKS SBOV,
ATR DP/ tespipe,Borla Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko
AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,
Bremsa brakes,Pagid RS-R pads
Check out:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/3000gt.html
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:55:20 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Dragstrip Outing
> I would also like to know more about the
GCC, is it an ignition controller or
> is it just an aoption to the
VPC?
Yes, it's an optional box for fine-tuning the VPC. Looks like an AFC
and acts
like it but is plugged into the VPC.
// Roger
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93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:40:11 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Make shift turbo timer? -Reply
> Actually that triggered my
question.
Ok :)
> The FATT just uses the harness to plug into
the ignition, plus the safeties
> (shift lock, parking brake & speed
sensor). Too bad I can't read Japanese
> or I'd just look at the
directions.
Maybe it only reads the rpm and then calculates the time.
That's why I've
choosen the DualTimer.
// Roger
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-----------------------
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93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:08:54 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: TEC phone
#
Hey Chris, this is an old number but I think its still
good
800-950-TURBO
Arty 91 VR-4
In a message dated 4/29/99 10:30:08
AM Pacific Daylight Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
writes:
<< Subj: Team3S: TEC phone #
Date: 4/29/99
10:30:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com (Chris
Winkley)
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Reply-to:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
('Team3S')
Howdy folks...
I need a phone
number for TEC (turbo engineering corp). Can't seem to locate
a web
site.
Can anyone help?
Thanks in
advance!!!
Looking forward...Chris
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos,
bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump,
GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom
intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK
double platinum plugs
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:12:54 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
TEC phone #
This URL doesn't work see error following:
Directory
Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be
listed.
Jeffrey Young wrote:
>
> TEC's number is
303-271-3997 and talk to Jim or Holly. URL is
> www.turboengineering.com
>
> Jeffrey
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:14:06 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
Are you running stock
Turbos???? If so this helps my theory of 11's possible on a stock
tubo
car w/o nos only 0.387 to go.
> BTW, drag outing last
night:
>
> 1994 Mitsu VR4 with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted
maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc injectors (I had
> them
> laying around
:)
> 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50. Full interior
except spare and jack. Geez.
>
> I am thinking of NOT changing
the exhaust, the stock exh is QUIET!...but a downpipe
> and gutting
precats I'd like.
> What a formula car! A+B+C=FAST!
>
>
BTW if anyone wants a K&N conversion, be sure to get the FIPK kit for the
2nd generation
>
> DIAMOND STARS, because they come with bigger
(longer by about 2-3") filter and are way
> CHEAPER!
> (about
$85)...
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:47:30 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <WallisG@mwaa.com>
Subject: Team3S: VPC
on 94+ cars -Reply
Correct, it's just needs a wiring harness from what
Mike's told me.
Should show up on my car soon
:)
Gavin
>>> Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com> 04/29/99
12:45pm >>>
I asked Mike of Altered Atmosphere last week but didn't
get an answer
yet so I'll ask you too. What does it take to install a
VPC on a 94+
car? Do you hardwire it? Do you snip off the VPC's
connector and
install a new one? Do you make a short converter harness
to mate with
the VPC and the ECU (??) connector?
It would be great if
a pin-out diagram could be placed on the 3si &
3000gt web pages. It
would also be great if someone (Mike??) could
make
and sell a low cost
converter so one wouldn't have to butcher the VPC.
Maybe this info isn't
forthcoming because you guys want to hold on to
your advantage ;),
hmmm?
- -Ken
'91 VR4 but wanting a 94+
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San Diego
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:49:37 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <WallisG@mwaa.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
Something i've never been clear
on....is your attempt to get into 11's on
stock turbos to do it a weight
reduction fashion, thus costing no money.
Or is it just to try to do,
regardless of cost?
Gavin
>>> Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com> 04/29/99 02:14pm
>>>
Are you running stock Turbos???? If so this helps my
theory of 11's
possible on a stock
tubo car w/o nos only 0.387 to
go.
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:35:06 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
Hopefully a little of
both. Low cost, as well as wight reduction. If you don't
replace
the turbos you can get away alot less expensive. Aiming for under
$3k. Right now,
woking on some intercooler sprayers. An MR-2 guy
reported 20% efficiency gain in the IC
by spraying it. Anybody tried
this?
Gavin Wallis wrote:
> Something i've never been clear
on....is your attempt to get into 11's on
> stock turbos to do it a weight
reduction fashion, thus costing no money.
> Or is it just to try to do,
regardless of cost?
>
> Gavin
>
> >>> Andrew
Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
04/29/99 02:14pm >>>
> Are you running stock Turbos???? If
so this helps my theory of 11's
> possible on a stock
> tubo car w/o
nos only 0.387 to go.
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:02:09 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject:
Team3S: Parts for sale (from the DSM parts trader site)
Maybe this is of
interest for somebody :
- ----
>From Chris (shadowphantom_1@hotmail.com),
IP
209.254.97.195 April 28, 1999 - 10:11:42 AM
I have the following items
for sale. No haggling. I will negotiate if someone
is interested in
everything.
APEXi Super AFC $250 Shipped
RC Engineering 560cc Injectors
$425 shipped (6 from a 3000GT)
1998 Repair Manuals (new just opened) $40
shipped
- ----
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Roger
-
-----------------------
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(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:13:01 PDT
From: "Chris S." <shadowphantom_1@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Parts for sale (from the DSM parts trader site)
I only have
the APEXi Super AFC left. I will sell it for $230
shipped. If
anyone is interested please reply
PRIVATELY.
Thanks,
Chris
>
>Maybe this is of interest
for somebody :
>
>----
>>From Chris (shadowphantom_1@hotmail.com),
>IP
209.254.97.195 April 28, 1999 - 10:11:42 AM
>
>I have the following
items for sale. No haggling. I will negotiate if
someone
>is interested
in everything.
>APEXi Super AFC $250 Shipped
>RC Engineering 560cc
Injectors $425 shipped (6 from a 3000GT)
>1998 Repair Manuals (new just
opened) $40 shipped
>----
>
>Regards,
>Roger
>
>-----------------------
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Gerl, Switzerland
>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:01:53 -0700
From: "Dave Allison" <dallison@siebel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
Adam Saruwatari, the
popular RX-7 drag racer uses NOS to cool his
intercooler instead of injecting
it into his combustion chamber. Perhaps
this is something to
consider?
Seeya.
Dave Allison
.
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Sent:
Thursday, April 29, 1999 12:35 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
Hopefully a little
of both. Low cost, as well as wight reduction. If you
don't
replace
the turbos you can get away alot less expensive. Aiming for under
$3k.
Right now,
woking on some intercooler sprayers. An MR-2 guy
reported 20% efficiency
gain in the IC
by spraying it. Anybody tried
this?
Gavin Wallis wrote:
> Something i've never been clear
on....is your attempt to get into 11's on
> stock turbos to do it a weight
reduction fashion, thus costing no money.
> Or is it just to try to do,
regardless of cost?
>
> Gavin
>
> >>> Andrew
Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
04/29/99 02:14pm >>>
> Are you running stock Turbos???? If
so this helps my theory of 11's
> possible on a stock
> tubo car w/o
nos only 0.387 to go.
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:14:25 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
At 03:01 PM 4/29/99
-0700, you wrote:
>Adam Saruwatari, the popular RX-7 drag racer uses NOS
to cool his
>intercooler instead of injecting it into his combustion
chamber. Perhaps
>this is something to consider?
Hmmm....
instead of NOS, how about compressed air? We could direct a stream
of air
under high pressure directly into the air stream to the brake ducts
(or in
front of the intercoolers, for that matter). The electronics
industry uses
compressed air valves to cool hot electrical enclosures in
hazardous areas.
Compressed air shot through the right aeration valve gets
mighty dang cold --
about 32 degF or less.
Next question? Where do we get the compressed
air? We could mount an air
tank (same as racers take to the track) and fill
it with 90psi air. That
should last a little while. It probably would last a
quarter mile for drag
racing, even at full blast. For short squirts in
braking, it might go 20
minutes. Any other ideas? How much pressure comes out
of the bleeder valve?
Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:21:02 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
Do you mean the
wastegate? Blow air from the wastegate to the brakes. I owuld
imagine
a mich higher volum of air is just moving mby the car at speed.
I was of the
understanding that the air after the compresor was hot from the
compression. I think
the compressed air you speak of is cold because of
the propellant, and it's reaction.
Fast moving air shoul be hotter.
Just my .02 from physics 210. Been a while though.
Merritt
wrote:
> At 03:01 PM 4/29/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Adam
Saruwatari, the popular RX-7 drag racer uses NOS to cool his
>
>intercooler instead of injecting it into his combustion chamber.
Perhaps
> >this is something to consider?
>
> Hmmm....
instead of NOS, how about compressed air? We could direct a stream
> of
air under high pressure directly into the air stream to the brake ducts
>
(or in front of the intercoolers, for that matter). The electronics
>
industry uses compressed air valves to cool hot electrical enclosures in
>
hazardous areas. Compressed air shot through the right aeration valve
gets
> mighty dang cold -- about 32 degF or less.
>
> Next
question? Where do we get the compressed air? We could mount an air
> tank
(same as racers take to the track) and fill it with 90psi air. That
>
should last a little while. It probably would last a quarter mile for
drag
> racing, even at full blast. For short squirts in braking, it might
go 20
> minutes. Any other ideas? How much pressure comes out of the
bleeder valve?
>
> Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
>
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:37:07 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply
Don't waste your breath or time on getting
Mitsu to respond to much of anything, other than if you want to spend more
hard-earned cash for repairs on stuff that should be lasting 50-60,000 miles
easy.
I've wasted about 2-3 weeks worth of time, trying to get some
acknowledgement from them on the Getrag Tranny issue, and I'll I got was a
canned response. Oh, they were good enought to call me and provide a bogus
lead to someone WHO MIGHT BE ABLE to supply me with the parts I was looking
for. They knew better, but did it anyway.
Love my car, but it's
getting close to dump it time and you can bet the farm, Mitsu WILL NOT get my
business again. Too many other choices out there, that don't take your
money and run, but stand up behind what they build. I guess they (Mitsu)
can do that, since we won't stand up and say we've had enough. We'd rather
just sit behind our computer keyboards and type out bitch messages to ourselves,
rather than to the people who really need to be reading it. Silence gets
you nowhere, Shouting gets reaction - and we need reaction & ACTION by
Mitsu on many fronts. Otherwise, why spend $40-50k on a toy that you can
just look at, but would like to drive.
- --
On Thu, 29 Apr 1999
10:50:32 Gavin Wallis wrote:
>Perhaps it's time for some of us
to try to track down a Mitsu rep and ask
>him/her to sit in a conference
phone call or give us an e-mail address.
>
>I could prolly take on
the task in a week or so...although I'd like to
>concentrate on the hoods
for now. Anyone else not mind being a pain in
>the ass and know how to get
around secretaries?
>
>Gavin
>
>>>> Dane
Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
04/29/99 10:47am >>>
> Unfortunately we talking about the
same company that all but refused to
>humor the idea
>that the AWD
DSM transfer cases needed to be recalled for a leak even
>after years of
AWD
>lockups and even a few deaths. I think this is also a big
reason behind
>there being
>little Mitsu participation in chat or
discounts on the DSM list, a HUGE list
>that had to
>force the
transfer case recall. I beleive this is also the same
company
>that'd rather
>lose 95% of they're loyal drivers by not
having a 4 cyl turbo in the new
>Eclipse then
>possibly think that
their ideas aren't always the best even though they're
>in
bad
>shape. Don't get me wrong, I love Mitsu products, atleast up
till now. I
>do however
>question their ideas, ethics and
reasoning. It might be a harsh
>conclusion, but one
>might get
the idea that Mitsu could care less after the sale, what reason
>do we
have to
>think otherwise?
> Wouldn't it be great if all of our
questions could be answered by Mitsu
>reps siting
>actual facts
rather than our own guesses or limitted experience? I know
>someone
at
>Mitsu knows how the stuff works, hell, they made it! I can
recall many
>questions that I
>and others have had that were only
answered by guesses, logic, or
>speculation, not
>actual fact.
Should we have to disect our vehicles for understanding?
>It's not a
new
>species, it's a car that was thought out, designed, and built and yet
we
>know so little
>about it's
workings.
>
>Jason
>
>p.s. I'll leave most of the
prior message attached (with minor editing) as it
>was
>posted
awhile back and took me some time to respond to.
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:45:49 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
Merritt,
You need something
that goes through a phase change when released from
pressure. Compressed air
doesn't do this. It must be a material that
will be liquid in the
bottle and then change to gas when released to
ambiant pressure. This phase
change sucks up huge amounts of energy (how
huge depends on the material)
resulting in extreme cooling (just like
your air conditioner works.)
Regards,
Lynn
Merritt wrote:
>
> At 03:01 PM
4/29/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Adam Saruwatari, the popular RX-7 drag
racer uses NOS to cool his
> >intercooler instead of injecting it into
his combustion chamber. Perhaps
> >this is something to
consider?
>
> Hmmm.... instead of NOS, how about compressed air? We
could direct a stream
> of air under high pressure directly into the air
stream to the brake ducts
> (or in front of the intercoolers, for that
matter). The electronics
> industry uses compressed air valves to cool hot
electrical enclosures in
> hazardous areas. Compressed air shot through
the right aeration valve gets
> mighty dang cold -- about 32 degF or
less.
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:35:53 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
>You need something
that goes through a phase change when released from
>pressure. Compressed
air doesn't do this.
I am thinking of cooling valves that vent
compressed air through some kind
of aerodynamic gadget that cools the air
dramatically. Blow compressed air
on your hand at a filling station: it's
COLD. And not because the tank is
underground. Such valves are used to cool
hot electrical enclosures, and
all they use is compressed shop air to do it.
No propellants, no phase
changes, none of that stuff. Somebody help me out
here.
Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date:
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:49:44 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
There are air coolers
available for industrial use. ( MSC catalog has them )
But they require a
large volume of air. I just joined the list so I have
not followed the
entire thread, are you looking to use a compressor running
off of the engine
( sucking HP ) or using a tank of air for short 1/4
mile
runs?
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To:
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<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip
Outing Weds! -Reply
>>You need something that goes through a
phase change when released from
>>pressure. Compressed air doesn't do
this.
>
>I am thinking of cooling valves that vent compressed air
through some kind
>of aerodynamic gadget that cools the air dramatically.
Blow compressed air
>on your hand at a filling station: it's COLD. And not
because the tank is
>underground. Such valves are used to cool hot
electrical enclosures, and
>all they use is compressed shop air to do it.
No propellants, no phase
>changes, none of that stuff. Somebody help me
out here.
>
>Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:24:04 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE:Intake Plenum
Anyone know a lot about air flow
properties?
I am wondering exactly how important it is for flow to make a
tapered tank
on the plenum VS just a log type with a rounded
end.
Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated.
I am having problems
finding a sheet metal shop that can bend the end tank
to my specifications,
seems a log type will look nice and be easier to
build. However, some,
even if minimal HP and TQ is the goal here, not ease
of
construction.
> Brad
Check out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
>
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On Behalf Of Roger Gerl
Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 3:06 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum
Great !
Let's keep this here on the list
as some points my be discussed with the
input
from others.
>
Things I hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks,
weight
savings,
> and the ability to change the spark plugs w/out
removing the plenum.
The last one sounds very, very interesting as I just
don't know how this
should
work. The only way is to move it more forward
but then the runner become
shorter. This may reduce torque but also increase
response and power in the
top
end. IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end
torque.
> The piece will be polished aluminum, use all the stock
brackets and
hardware
> with the exception of the EGR.
Does this
mean that you remove the EGR path in the manifold ? If so, why not
only add
two threads for the EGR pipe that can simply be connected
and
therefore
will be blocked off due to this. WOuld this work
?
> If I can sell 10 of these manifolds, I am sure I can produce them
for
around
> 500.00-550.00 each shipped to your door. (US shipping
Only)
Argh, I just can imagine how much shipping cost would be for Europe
:(
> How many vacuum ports would be needed? Stock has two small
ones and two
> large ones if I am not mistaken.
This is what I
would need :
- - Boost controller (s)
- - Boost meter (s)
- - VPC
pressure reading (s)
- - Fuel pressure (s)
- - BOV (s)
- - VPC (l)
-
- two stock ones for this and that (l)
Also it would be nice to have to
positions where a spray jet can be mounted.
The
position should be
designed that both jets together cover the whole runner
area
evenly (yes,
direct water/alcohol injection.
Maybe also a design that allows somebody
to drill two or three holes to add
additional injectors (I personally don't
like this) and a nitrous wet/dry
system.
Mikael had the idea of
turning the TB to the other side and I already
thought of
a design with
two TBs on each side. The last one could be more easily to be
designed as the
shape could be mirrored. The idea behind this is to provide
as
short as
possible IC piping with as less bends as possible. To be honest, to
make the
thing absolutely perfect the engine must be turned ... and this
is
no
option to me :(
Any more ideas ??
For the price, I
think $500 (w/o shipping) should be the maximum. Of course
this
depends on
how much additional work you'll have with the more ideas that
come :)
BTW,
for me also a plenum with prepared spots for additional threads
to
drill
myself would be ok too.
Thanks in
advance,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:21:24 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
>>You need something that
goes through a phase change when released from
>>pressure. Compressed
air doesn't do this.
>
>I am thinking of cooling valves that vent
compressed air through some kind
>of aerodynamic gadget that cools the air
dramatically. Blow compressed air
>on your hand at a filling station: it's
COLD. they use is compressed shop air to do
it. No propellants, no
phasechanges, none of that stuff. Somebody help me out here.
No magic
there, simply physics in action --- equation of state for an ideal gas
---
PV = RT where R is a universal gas constant. R is different for different
gasses
but it is a constant for any calculations you do with the same gas [
air = 53.54
ft-lbf/lbm ].
The equations for initial and final states
is P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2 --- this is a variation
of
Boyles'
law. This law is responsible for the fact that when you compress a gas it gets
hot
and conversely when you expand a gas it gets cool. Back in the old days
the first A/C
units ran on compressed air [ even before Old Poops time
].
Phase change gives better cooling because of latent heat vaporization but
pressure
change works also.
Jim Berry
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:31:44 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
>I have the magazine!
>There are
about 50 pages; a bunch are pictures with captions; pretty many graphs.
If
>one could read Japanese it would take awhile including typing but if
you can do it...!
>I can get some good quality photocopies. I have a
copy machine repairman friend (no
>joke) who MAY be able to get color
photocopies...
>Jack
Yikes!!!! I wasn't
expecting a 50 page tome. However if you get me a copy I'll see what
I can
do.
Color would be nice but probably not necessary for translation purposes.
Email me about
getting
a copy to me. fastmax@home.com
Jim Berry
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:37:16 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
Merrit and James,
I stand
corrected. Initially I was going to say that as P1->P2 there was
indeed a
drop in pressure which alone would require T1->T2 to also
reduce, but
V1->V2 was an increase and negated the pressure drop, BUT as
you state
when you compress a gas it heats therefore when you decrease
its pressure it
must cool. (This can also be proven by a conservation of
energy equation:
energy cannot be created or destroyed.)
Regards,
Lynn
james
berry wrote:
>
> >>You need something that goes through a
phase change when released from
> >>pressure. Compressed air doesn't
do this.
> >
> >I am thinking of cooling valves that vent
compressed air through some kind
> >of aerodynamic gadget that cools
the air dramatically. Blow compressed air
> >on your hand at a filling
station: it's COLD. they use is compressed shop air to do
> it. No
propellants, no phasechanges, none of that stuff. Somebody help me out
here.
>
> No magic there, simply physics in action ---
equation of state for an ideal gas ---
> PV = RT where R is a universal
gas constant. R is different for different gasses
> but it is a constant
for any calculations you do with the same gas [ air = 53.54
> ft-lbf/lbm
].
> The equations for initial and final states is
P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2 --- this is a variation
> of
> Boyles' law. This
law is responsible for the fact that when you compress a gas it gets hot
>
and conversely when you expand a gas it gets cool. Back in the old days the
first A/C
> units ran on compressed air [ even before Old Poops time
].
> Phase change gives better cooling because of latent heat vaporization
but pressure
> change works also.
>
>
Jim Berry
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:54:20 -0400
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
What about using a water and
rubbing alcohol or other high vapor
pressure liquid which will evaporate
quickly to cool the intercoolers?
The compressed air idea is good, but then
we have to mount the tanks,
the jets and regulators, etc. whereas the washer
tank and pump is
already there, and the jets can be re-directed. For road
racing, they
could be re-positioned and have a tip that "mists" that could be
used to
cool the brakes.
Matt
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:23:44 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
RE:Intake Plenum
Brad Bedell wrote:
> Anyone know a lot about
air flow properties?
> wondering how important it is for flow to
make a tapered tank
> on the plenum VS log with rounded
end.
> I am having problems finding shop that can bend end tank
> to
my specs, seems log type look nice and easier to
> build.
I
think it would be fine to build it log type, nontapered. There are
precedents either
way.
The Toyota CART engine, along with man other such,
has a large box with throttlebody
on one end, untapered. The Porsche
LeMans type cars have turbos with slightly tapered
tube over the
throttlebodies. The intake plenum size and runner size/length
are
important; but
better a little bigger and nonrestricting than too
small. Plenum serves as a pressure
reservoir,
and as each valve
opens it taps off the common reservoir; if too small, or robbed of air
by
the next-door neighbor just having "sucked" or in process of "sucking", a taper
could
make a relative low pressure zone. A big open space above
each helps. If you could
play around and try with every
combination of boost, fuelcurve, turbos, exhaust etc you
could probably come
up with an optimum taper to avoid unnecessary plenum volume
which
can
cause slightly longer turbo lag effect...but for each
combination would be a little
different
and so I'd say build the simple
log and let God sort it out, IMO...
Jack Tertadian
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:25:49 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
Andrew Brilliant wrote:
> Are
you running stock Turbos? If so this helps my theory of 11's possible on a
stock
> tubo car w/o nos only 0.387 to go.
Yes, stock turbos.
I think 11's are possible with stock turbos. I am not chasing after
it,
though.
Jack T.
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:51:28 -0400
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
RPS Clutch GP
Roger,
Andy is a participant in the GP. He ordered at
the same time as everyone
else.
Frank
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Thursday, April 29, 1999 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch
GP
>> I thought everyone in the group purchase was aware that
RPS will not be
>> shipping the clutches until mid May. Sorry Andy if
you were not made
aware
>> of this.
>
>Acc.Acc. gave
Andy the same price on the clutch as the participants in the
GP.
I
>have not been informed by Matt or Frank that there is another friend
who
takes
>one. But, this is what a GP organisator is
for.
>
>All: This seems to be an ongoing GP
:)
>
>-----------------------
>Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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>ATR
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brake
lines,
>Bremsa brakes,Pagid RS-R pads
>
>Check out:
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:04:01 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
At 07:49 PM 4/6/99
-0400, you wrote:
>There are air coolers available for industrial use. (
MSC catalog has them )
\What's an MSC catalog? Is it on the
net?
>But they require a large volume of air.
Hmmm. How
much?
> I just joined the list so I have
>not followed the
entire thread, are you looking to use a compressor running
>off of the
engine ( sucking HP )
No
or using a tank of air for
short 1/4 mile
>runs?
That's the question. I think a small tank,
like racers take to the track
with 90 psi of air, might supply enough cooling
air for intercoolers, or
maybe to help cool brakes.
Rich/old
poop/Somebody stop me!
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:08:37 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
At 08:54 PM 4/29/99
-0400, you wrote:
>What about using a water and rubbing alcohol or other
high vapor
>pressure liquid which will evaporate quickly to cool the
intercoolers?
Hmmm....again. I like this idea too. Might not work for the
brakes, because
we want water vapor to hit the brakes, not just cold air. But
then again,
maybe it would.
Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:05:59 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
>Boyles' law. This
law is responsible for the fact that when you compress a
gas it gets
hot
>and conversely when you expand a gas it gets cool. Back in the old
days
the first A/C
>units ran on compressed air [ even before Old Poops
time ].
>Phase change gives better cooling because of latent heat
vaporization but
pressure
>change works also.
Thanks, Jim. Now
that you remind me, I think I recall some of this from
thermodynamics...or
was it physics?
Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:22:57 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
> You need something
that goes through a phase change when released from
> pressure. Compressed
air doesn't do this.
CO2 & nitrogen are two good candidates. Both
are liquid in compressed
state and come out well below freezing. They are
both readily
available at gas supply houses and are economical to buy and
pressure
vessels are reasonable as well. Nitrogen is higher priced and so
are
the vessels due to higher pressures.
Ron
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:27:20 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
VPC on 94+ cars
Ken Middaugh wrote:
> xwing wrote:
> >
1994 Mitsu VR4 with K&N, bleeder valve, gutted maincat, VPC/GCC, 720cc
injectors (I had
> > 12.386 @ 108.19mph...best mph 109.50.
Full interior except spare and jack. Geez.
>
> Great time
Jack!
> I asked Mike of Altered Atmosphere last week but didn't get an
answer
> yet so I'll ask you too. What does it take to install a VPC
on a 94+
> car? Do you hardwire it? Do you snip off the VPC's
connector and
> install a new one? Do you make a short converter
harness to mate with
> the VPC and the ECU (??) connector?
>
>
It would be great if a pin-out diagram could be placed on the 3si &
>
3000gt web pages. It would also be great if someone (Mike??) could
make
> and sell a low cost converter so one wouldn't have to butcher the
VPC.
>
> Maybe this info isn't forthcoming because you guys want to
hold on to
> your advantage ;),
hmmm?
mmmMMOOOHHHOHOHHHHhhhahhhahhaahhhhahaahhhhhh!
Does anybody
remember Daystrom, the guy on that original Star Trek
episode, who built the
M5 computer to run the ship but it went wild and
destroyed innocents, and
Daystrom went mad himself? hehehe.
It is doable. I've done
it, I'm not magical. Mike Mahaffey has done it and
can do it for
people. It is a question to me, whether to say how because
it DID take
me about a week in off hours, late nights, all the while talking to
Barry
King, Jeff Wong, Tom in Idaho, Mike M, etc on MIRC trying to keep my
mouth
shut like that mathematics wizard who solved Fermat's last theorum with
7 years
of work all in secret from his best friends...to go through all the
wiring
diagrams on Vineet Singh's 3S CD-ROM manual
masterpiece...there
were problems along the way, like some diagrams you
can't read all the
numbers, on some the numbers are just plain WRONG!!!!!,
the way you
look at the connectors/diagrams was trippy and cost me DAYS
of
wasted time and several wiring mistakes that just didn't work
but
fortunately didn't melt anything!
If I hadn't had a GCC I probably
would have given up. There is a clue
in the GCC that told me what was
missing/what was different but not where
to get it FROM, nor whether it could
be gotten...I had to crossreference to the Stealth
diagrams some of which are
better quality reproductions. In the end it
is not hard to effect the
mods, but if it was so EASY then HK$ could have been selling these
damned
things to 1994-1999 cars, since 1994 !
So, I'd say buy your VPC's from
Mike Mahaffey and be happy. I bet his prices are just fine.
Or, you
could send me $50 and I'll tell you how. Or, all hundreds of us could pool
$ together
to send me the $50 and then I'll blab. Or, I could have
pissed somebody off enough
by now that they do it themselves...or don't...but
they feel my pain! I gave you the GCC
clue! Knowing it CAN be
done makes it easier, a matter of TIME not POSSIBILITY.
I had no certainty it
would work; only HK$'s years of NOT making one to say it would NOT.
Since HK$
told me way back in 1994 the VPC didn't work right even on 91-93 cars
and
they sold me mine ONLY on the proviso that "When it doesn't work, you
promise
not to try to make us take it back!" but it was a key to the car's
high-boost performance--I
had
a thought line that said it probably could
be made to work. So, chancing melting the
ECU, tapping and splicing
various wires (mostly because of the stupid diagrams/way
they talk about
connectors) I got it to work. THAT was a Eureka! I was sure I
had
it several times before that; several heart-rending failures; it was the last
try.
(Picture the Wailing, the Gnashing of Teeth, the Blood, Sweat, and
Tears!)
I must be allowed at least a day or several to gloat and act
secretive, that is one of the
best parts of the Secret Speed Tricks
Game! hhhehehheheehehhe...
Oh I suppose if one got a VPC USED
one wouldn't buy from Mike, so I may come clean
about it soon. BUT let
me say, there is no reason NOT to buy it from Mike assuming
the price is
reasonable unless people have something (odd) against somebody making a go
of
it selling parts for our cars YET NOT ripping some people off.
I haven't
the time to do such a business justice, so I am happy when others do stuff;
like
having Dave Buschur have SFI certified harmonic balancers made for our
cars (they should
be ready soon, supposedly; Bushcur Racing said about 2
weeks ago). I bought the carbon
hood from GT Alley--before they closed
up and burned Todd Shelton and Roger Gerl. I'd say
buy the VPC's from
Mike Mahaffey and be happy. In the end, we have a greater chance
of
success and neat parts in the FUTURE if we support those who support us
NOW...Pick up
some RC 720cc injectors and a GCC from him while you're at
it. No reason NOT to use them, and
then you are wide open/almost
unlimited capability. Or, 550-560's...used; then wouldn't
lose
money
if sold them someday for 720's. You DO need GCC to run
720's, but do NOT need GCC for 550/560
which saves alot of money
upfront. For sure, I'd support Mike/Altered
Atmospheres,
Frank/Accelerated,
Chien/Nexus, ?Brad Bedell Performance
Unlimited?, as they actually INTERACT with us
here
sometimes!
(hope I didn't forget anybody)...
Whoa what a
rant this turned out to be. Most of it self congratulatory crappo!
Oh well.
I am going to put bigger turbos on this car so I can kick more
[insert any other car make]
ass around any block I so choose.
mmmOOOHOOOHHOHHAhahahhahahhhhhhhhhh!
"Somebody Stop Me", eh Rich?
Our
cars sure are neat.
Jack Tertadian
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:29:46 -0400
From: "Lieberman, Jason" <JLieber@bsadpo.emba.uvm.edu>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
i have a friend thats fluient
in japanese. i'll see if i can locate him.
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: james berry [SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent:
Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:32 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds!
>
> >I have
the magazine!
> >There are about 50 pages; a bunch are pictures with
captions; pretty
> many graphs. If
> >one could read
Japanese it would take awhile including typing but if
> you can do
it...!
> >I can get some good quality photocopies. I have a copy
machine
> repairman friend (no
> >joke) who MAY be able to get
color photocopies...
> >Jack
>
>
>
Yikes!!!! I wasn't expecting a 50 page tome. However if you
get me
> a copy I'll see what
> I can do.
> Color would be
nice but probably not necessary for translation
> purposes. Email me
about
> getting
> a copy to me. fastmax@home.com
>
> Jim Berry
>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:48:26 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: VPC on 94+ cars
Dr. Jack, you are a hoot!
Any events
coming up at Road America in the near future? I can't find any
except for the
Shelby-American club, and they don't let us in.
Rich/old poop
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Date:
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:08:04 -0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
MSC is online but for
the life of me I could not find them. I have a
couple of catalogs
at work. ( we order from them almost every day ) I will
get the address
Monday. MSC stands for Manhatten Supply Co. and they sell
machine
shop supplies and other industrial products.
Just checked
the Net again and found another source
http://www.mcmaster.com
searche for cooler, then choose spot cooler.
Here is a brief
description.
Cold-Air Coolant Systems. Get rid of the mess of mist and
spray systems and
eliminate the need
to clean coolant off your parts.
Sys-tems convert clean, filtered factory
air to cold air through the use of a
vortex tube. Systems have no moving
parts and need no electrical current to
provide a continuous cold air
supply. Standard systems produce air that’s 50°
F below the factory air
you’re using. Each has a 1 /4 9 NPT male air inlet
connection, requires air
pressure of 80 to 110 psi, and uses 15 scfm at 100
psi.
That's seems like a lot of air and would need a pretty good sized
tank.
Hope it helps,
Kevin Schappell
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>\What's an MSC catalog? Is it on the
net?
>Hmmm. How
much?
>
>
>
>That's the question. I think a
small tank, like racers take to the track
>with 90 psi of air, might
supply enough cooling air for intercoolers, or
>maybe to help cool
brakes.
>
>Rich/old poop/Somebody stop
me!
>>
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:15:21 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
VPC on 94+ cars
Merritt wrote:
> Dr. Jack, you are a
hoot!
> Any events coming up at Road America in the near future? I can't
find any
> except for the Shelby-American club, and they don't let us
in.
> Rich/old poop
I have a big list of midwest events from a
buddy. Next Road America is may 8-9 Chicago
Windy City BMW club; May
19-20, July 3-4, Aug 14-15 TrackTime events; Aug 16-17 Viper
club; July
29-30 Nord Stern Porsche (Minnesota club); etc. Also alot at
Gingerman,
Blackhawk, etc etc.
Jack T.
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:39:54 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
RPS Clutch GP
Roger and Frank,
did we get enough participants to get
into the better price brackets?
Oskar
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Date:
Thursday, April 29, 1999 20:47
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch
GP
>Roger,
>Andy is a participant in the GP. He ordered at
the same time as everyone
>else.
>Frank
>www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
>>
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Date:
Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:59:50 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: brakes; Dragstrip Outing Weds! -Reply
I don't know if this is of
any help. In physics at UCSD, a friend and I put together
a
cooling system with no moving parts, used no electricity, and produced air
that was -10
degrees C. There were a stack of plates with holes drilled
in them of alternating
size. Compressed air was then blown into one
side so to spin around the ring. The
colder air would move to the
center, and then float down, the hot air up, The hottter
air was faster
moving, and would move toward the outside ring. The cold air toward
the
middle. Voila cold air out of one end, hot out of the other.
The more plates you would
stack the greater the difference in
temperature. Now thats an efficient sytem.. It
whistled at about
120db. But it worked really well. Could blow your compressed air.
in
to their. or replace the AC compressor, and blow air through it.
Blowing 10deg C air
across the rotors... now that would cool em off.
You could run it continuous too. It
was amazingly efficient.
Theoretically you could produce _very_ cold air like this.
The one we made
was about 14" tall made -10C.. Just think what you could do with
10ft.
I might be able to find a schmatic. I know that this is
a long shot, but hey.. It
couldn't hurt any to suggest it Sorry if I
wasted bandwidth.
Merritt wrote:
> At 07:49 PM 4/6/99
-0400, you wrote:
> >There are air coolers available for industrial
use. ( MSC catalog has them )
>
> \What's an MSC catalog? Is
it on the net?
>
> >But they require a large volume of
air.
>
> Hmmm. How much?
>
> > I just joined the list
so I have
> >not followed the entire thread, are you looking to use a
compressor running
> >off of the engine ( sucking HP )
>
>
No
>
> or using a tank of air for short 1/4 mile
>
>runs?
>
> That's the question. I think a small tank, like racers
take to the track
> with 90 psi of air, might supply enough cooling air
for intercoolers, or
> maybe to help cool brakes.
>
> Rich/old
poop/Somebody stop me!
> >
>
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Date:
Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:13:40 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Where's Mitsu? -Reply
I've been fortunate and not had my getrag
transmission die on me yet. Of course, I only have 35,000 miles on the
car, so I've got my fingers crossed that no problems will develop for plenty
more miles.
All the stories I hear about transmissions failing and the
incredible expense of getting a replacement make me think that a class action
lawsuit against mitsu and/or getrag might be the only recourse to the
transmission parts issue.
One thing I'm curious about is how many of the
transmission failures are occuring on heavily modified 400 HP monsters vs.
stock. Maybe this transmission just isn't rated for >300
HP.
Dave
Terry Swift wrote:
> Don't waste your
breath or time on getting Mitsu to respond to much of anything, other than if
you want to spend more hard-earned cash for repairs on stuff that should be
lasting 50-60,000 miles easy.
>
> I've wasted about 2-3 weeks worth
of time, trying to get some acknowledgement from them on the Getrag Tranny
issue, and I'll I got was a canned response. Oh, they were good enought to
call me and provide a bogus lead to someone WHO MIGHT BE ABLE to supply me with
the parts I was looking for. They knew better, but did it
anyway.
>
> Love my car, but it's getting close to dump it time and
you can bet the farm, Mitsu WILL NOT get my business again. Too many other
choices out there, that don't take your money and run, but stand up behind what
they build. I guess they (Mitsu) can do that, since we won't stand up and
say we've had enough. We'd rather just sit behind our computer keyboards
and type out bitch messages to ourselves, rather than to the people who really
need to be reading it. Silence gets you nowhere, Shouting gets
reaction - and we need reaction & ACTION by Mitsu on many
fronts. Otherwise, why spend $40-50k on a toy that you can just look at,
but would like to drive.
> --
>
> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999
10:50:32 Gavin Wallis wrote:
> >Perhaps it's time for some
of us to try to track down a Mitsu rep and ask
> >him/her to sit in a
conference phone call or give us an e-mail address.
> >
> >I
could prolly take on the task in a week or so...although I'd like to
>
>concentrate on the hoods for now. Anyone else not mind being a pain
in
> >the ass and know how to get around secretaries?
>
>
> >Gavin
> >
> >>>> Dane Barnhart
<phnxgld@erols.com> 04/29/99
10:47am >>>
> > Unfortunately we talking about the same
company that all but refused to
> >humor the idea
> >that the
AWD DSM transfer cases needed to be recalled for a leak even
> >after
years of AWD
> >lockups and even a few deaths. I think this is
also a big reason behind
> >there being
> >little Mitsu
participation in chat or discounts on the DSM list, a HUGE list
> >that
had to
> >force the transfer case recall. I beleive this is also
the same company
> >that'd rather
> >lose 95% of they're loyal
drivers by not having a 4 cyl turbo in the new
> >Eclipse then
>
>possibly think that their ideas aren't always the best even though
they're
> >in bad
> >shape. Don't get me wrong, I love
Mitsu products, atleast up till now. I
> >do however
>
>question their ideas, ethics and reasoning. It might be a
harsh
> >conclusion, but one
> >might get the idea that Mitsu
could care less after the sale, what reason
> >do we have to
>
>think otherwise?
> > Wouldn't it be great if all of our
questions could be answered by Mitsu
> >reps siting
> >actual
facts rather than our own guesses or limitted experience? I know
>
>someone at
> >Mitsu knows how the stuff works, hell, they made
it! I can recall many
> >questions that I
> >and others
have had that were only answered by guesses, logic, or
> >speculation,
not
> >actual fact. Should we have to disect our vehicles for
understanding?
> >It's not a new
> >species, it's a car that
was thought out, designed, and built and yet we
> >know so
little
> >about it's workings.
> >
> >Jason
>
>
> >p.s. I'll leave most of the prior message attached (with
minor editing) as it
> >was
> >posted awhile back and took me
some time to respond to.
> >
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