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Team3S Digest         Tuesday, April 27 1999         Volume 01 : Number 164




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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:37:59 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Electronic vs Mechanical AWD and an AWS question

Are there any cars out there with Electronically controlled Transfer
case/differentials?  If so what would be the advantages of that sort of
system, disadvantages.

My other question is reguarding the AWS.  I was driving the VR-4 out to
a friends cabin about a year ago, on a dirt road.  I noticed that as
soon as I was going fast enough for the AWS to kick in the car was
completely out of control.  Is it possible to turn off the AWS, or is
more likely that I was just going faster, and that was the result.  It
felt like it instantly changed from in excellent control to almost none
at all.


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:20:50 -0700
From: Nick Xiong <nxiong@juno.com>
Subject: Team3S: RSRs installed

thanks Mike@Altered Atmoshere.  the VR4 can now park w/pride next to the
Supra (the canyons are gone!!! :-)  however the steering feels a little
loose now, will an alignment solve this?  no alignment done yet.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:47:08 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Stillen/AP brakes

RPM Motorsports wrote:

> AP has 14" kit available for 3000GT/Stealth
> Turbo; REQUIRES 18 inch rims.  Kits available by AP for turbo
> cars:
> 12.2" AP Racing One Piece 6 POT
> 13" AP Racing Two Piece 6 POT
> 14" AP Racing Two Piece 6 POT
> All available kit form, with Fluid, Stainless lines, pads, bracket
> Also available is Greddy Alcon Brake system. But expect pricing to be
> around $4000-$5000 for this kit.

Henry:

What is cost of each above AP kit NOW?  What is so great about the
Greddy/Alcon Brake System (never heard of it), why so much more,
is it worth it, is it ANY better than the AP 14" kit?
Do you know what pads for AP 6 piston cost?  In Pegasus catalog, the
'AP 6 pot 18mm thick' pads are like $100/set + more than almost any
other brand ($280-380)

Jack T.


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:56:51 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: AP Brakes for BTCC

I was looking at a Racing program yesterday and they tested the BTCC/STCC Nissan Primera.

They talked allot about the brakes from AP, they are a 6 pot design and the callipers are WATERCOOLED !!!

BTW The brakes costed 8.500$ but that included 1 set of pads :)

/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:35:52 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Team3S: brake upgrades

I recently upgraded my front rotors to powerslots, which I like although
I haven't given them much serios punishment yet.  I'd like to install
braided steel brake hoses, and I was wondering what a good source would
be.  Are there any tradeoffs other than extra firmness of the pedal when
going with steel hoses?

Also, I recently called speed bleeder inc. to inquire on a set of
bleeders, and they said that their application list for the stealth was
incorrect and they didn't know the right size.  Does anyone know the
correct bleeder screw size, and have you tried speed bleeders?

Dave
'91 R/T TT


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:42:39 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: brake upgrades

normally 10mm x 1 which is what i have on my car at all corners
I've heard on some TT cars it could be 7mm in the rears. Will someone
confirm which years/models
Best bet would be to buy a pair of 10mm x 1 from pep boys for the fronts,
pull of the rears and see if they're smaller. If so, they're probably 7mm.
Is speed bleeder a company? The ones i have are from Russell and are also
called speed bleeders, which i picked up from pep boys. Work great by the
way. I've bled the system 3 times in the last year, and never had any
problems doing it.

Omar
92 r/t

> Also, I recently called speed bleeder inc. to inquire on a set of
> bleeders, and they said that their application list for the stealth was
> incorrect and they didn't know the right size.  Does anyone know the
> correct bleeder screw size, and have you tried speed bleeders?
>
> Dave
> '91 R/T TT


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:19:17 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: 92 VR4 with a 92 GTO engine  HELP!!

I have a 1992 VR4 california car with california ECU and emissions.  I
recently had a GTO
engine from Japan installed.  The car ran good for a month, then I had a
problem with the
injectors.  I replaced the injectors.  Since then, my car has idled extremely
rough, and the the exhaust doesn't flow, it pulses like a heartbeat!!  Also,
the exhaust only comes out the left pipe half the time.  I can hear the
valves tinging, the exhaust pops and backfires, and the turbos aren't allowed
full boost,  they keep cutting my horsepower out.  Can someone help??? Also,
I need some help finding out if the GTO engine has the same injectors,
ignition  timing, and cam timing.  I need some specs on this engine.  Can
someone help me, I don't know what to do, my car has been in the shop for
almost a year!!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:31:53 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brake upgrades

yeah, http://www.speedbleeder.com.  I didn't know a similar product was available
retail, thanks.

Omar Malik wrote:

> normally 10mm x 1 which is what i have on my car at all corners
> I've heard on some TT cars it could be 7mm in the rears. Will someone
> confirm which years/models
> Best bet would be to buy a pair of 10mm x 1 from pep boys for the fronts,
> pull of the rears and see if they're smaller. If so, they're probably 7mm.
> Is speed bleeder a company? The ones i have are from Russell and are also
> called speed bleeders, which i picked up from pep boys. Work great by the
> way. I've bled the system 3 times in the last year, and never had any
> problems doing it.
>
> Omar
> 92 r/t
>
> > Also, I recently called speed bleeder inc. to inquire on a set of
> > bleeders, and they said that their application list for the stealth was
> > incorrect and they didn't know the right size.  Does anyone know the
> > correct bleeder screw size, and have you tried speed bleeders?
> >
> > Dave
> > '91 R/T TT
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:36:53 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brake upgrades

At 12:35 AM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I recently upgraded my front rotors to powerslots, which I like although
>I haven't given them much serios punishment yet. 

Having broken two of them at open track events, I suggest you stick to
street and autocross events, where they won't get too hot.

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:26:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: 99 VR-4 Review in Turbo

Short review of the last sports car. 99 vr-4 white.
They stated something along the lines of better than
expected handling and 300zx is comparable to the VR-4
and the other sports cars lacked lower rung models to
supplement and support the VR-4. I believe it was in
the June 99 issue with a Top Fuel Honda hatchB. 


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:54:25 -0400
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Stillen/AP brakes

I'm not quite sure why the market in Japan has just recently floated
over to the Alcon brakes and that Greddy has chosen to be exclusive
importers of Alcon now.  But here's alcon's website to look it up
http://www.taaget.co.uk/news/newfrm01.htm
I'm trying to get some more information about Alcon's now. But for the
most part, I would assume that Alcon is pricey name similar to HKS
products and that the kit is completely custom for our cars.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:59:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: rammer11@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Team3S: No Boost

I am in need of help regarding my '92 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo. I had a remanufactured long block installed 1,700 miles ago.
When I received the car back from the dealer I noticed that it was very sluggish, but I attributed that to the newness and
lack of being broken in. After the 500 mi service and oil change the car ran much better but I still took it easy.

The problem is that the boost never goes above 2lbs. The gauge needle stays low then suddenly jumps to "0". No matter how hard
I push it. The car is slow. It seems like the turbos begin to spool then flatten out. The dealer and tech can't figure out the
problem. They replaced the wastegate solenoid and checked the boost gage, no help. They seem at thier wits end.

Can anyone help?

RAM

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:35:02 -0400
From: josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brake upgrades

1992 Stealth TT has 7mm in rear.  Built date: January 1992.
It does however has the 25 spline transmission!  :) 

Jose

Omar Malik wrote:
>
> normally 10mm x 1 which is what i have on my car at all corners
> I've heard on some TT cars it could be 7mm in the rears. Will someone
> confirm which years/models?
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:53:45 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Questions about hoses for boost controller

> 1.  My assumption is that the boost controller, is just detecting and
> applying pressure from the hoses attached to it, in which case I would be
> better off with smaller diameter hose for a quicker response, versus a
> larger hose for more flow.  Should I go for a larger or smaller diameter?

Your assumption is not fully correct as the DSBC is not like other BCs. The
"boost detecting" hose is the small plastic tube delivered with the Blitz stuff
that runs from the intake plenum to the controller in the passenger compartment.
I used a larger dia hose as the additional boost meter needs that. The "applying
pressure" hoses are the larger hoses connected to the solenoid valves from the
DSBC mounted in your engine compartment. Use the delivered hose as well as a
coupler to a smaller size for the y-pipe connection.

> 2.  There is a 4 way split on the original hose to the Y-pipe.
>     a.  Y-Pipe
>     b.  Original Wastegate solenoid
>     c & d.  Turbos???

c & d are rear/fron wastegate actuators

>     If my assumptions are correct, can I run a hose from each of the turbos
> to a Y next to the DSBC, since I no longer need the Y-Pipe connection or
> original solenoid?

Yes, but this is already there and the line to the front WG is a hard pipe. What
you'd gain in lenght to the front turbos you'd loose for the rear turbo
connection. Just place the solenoid box close to the rear or front just where
you have place enough and where you can use as short as possible hoses.

> 3.  According to my 98 Service Manual (15-27-II) the factory wastegate
> should actuate at 6.68psi and may be damaged at more than 8.53psi.  Will it
> handle the increased pressure, or should I replace the wastegate.

Of course, you don't mean to replace the wastegate but the wastegate actuator :)
But what wastegate actuator would you like to get ? It is possible that the
actuators can cause to leak over a longer period but I've not seen an already
broken one.

Roger
93'3000GT TT

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:48:51 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 92 VR4 with a 92 GTO engine  HELP!!

> I have a 1992 VR4 california car with california ECU and emissions.  I
> recently had a GTO engine from Japan installed.  The car ran good for a
> month, then I had a problem with the injectors.  I replaced the injectors.

First, what problem have you had have with the injectors and why did you
replaced them ?

> Since then, my car has idled extremely rough, and the the exhaust doesn't
> flow, it pulses like a heartbeat!!

This could mean that some cyls. are either not filled with gas or no ignition on
this. Also the timing could be totally off.

> Also, the exhaust only comes out the left pipe half the time.

Normal.

> I can hear the valves tinging

Also somewhat normal but has nothing to do with your problem.

> I need some help finding out if the GTO engine has the same injectors,

Injectors are the same for this engine (even the EU cars have no sign of any
bigger injectors)

> ignition  timing, and cam timing.  I need some specs on this engine.

There is no sign of any timings that have been changed on the engine on any
year. The California cars had more O2 sensors and other small changings to be
carb approved for Cal. and maybe the Cal.ECU (if there is any specific) needs
the input of these sensors.

But you said that it runned well for a month and then went south. If really the
injectors were dead I'm pretty sure something else around them is in bad
condition too. This could be the fuel filter, pump, pressure regulator, pump
resistor, injector resistors, etc. Also a badX-Mozilla-Status: 0009he cause.

The most important thing is that a mitsu dealer with a MUT tester can check
everything out on the car. Switching each injector on/off helps a lot as well as
seeing the MAS information. For specific engine information, try to get a manual
and backup CD.

Good luck,
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT


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> someone help me, I don't know what to do, my car has been in the shop for
> almost a year!!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:49:22 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Questions about hoses for boost controller

> 1.  My assumption is that the boost controller, is just detecting and
> applying pressure from the hoses attached to it, in which case I would be
> better off with smaller diameter hose for a quicker response, versus a
> larger hose for more flow.  Should I go for a larger or smaller diameter?

Your assumption is not fully correct as the DSBC is not like other BCs. The
"boost detecting" hose is the small plastic tube delivered with the Blitz stuff
that runs from the intake plenum to the controller in the passenger compartment.
I used a larger dia hose as the additional boost meter needs that. The "applying
pressure" hoses are the larger hoses connected to the solenoid valves from the
DSBC mounted in your engine compartment. Use the delivered hose as well as a
coupler to a smaller size for the y-pipe connection.

> 2.  There is a 4 way split on the original hose to the Y-pipe.
>     a.  Y-Pipe
>     b.  Original Wastegate solenoid
>     c & d.  Turbos???

c & d are rear/fron wastegate actuators

>     If my assumptions are correct, can I run a hose from each of the turbos
> to a Y next to the DSBC, since I no longer need the Y-Pipe connection or
> original solenoid?

Yes, but this is already there and the line to the front WG is a hard pipe. What
you'd gain in lenght to the front turbos you'd loose for the rear turbo
connection. Just place the solenoid box close to the rear or front just where
you have place enough and where you can use as short as possible hoses.

> 3.  According to my 98 Service Manual (15-27-II) the factory wastegate
> should actuate at 6.68psi and may be damaged at more than 8.53psi.  Will it
> handle the increased pressure, or should I replace the wastegate.

Of course, you don't mean to replace the wastegate but the wastegate actuator :)
But what wastegate actuator would you like to get ? It is possible that the
actuators can cause to leak over a longer period but I've not seen an already
broken one.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:47:46 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost

RAM;

Check all of your small vacuum hoses and vacuum connections for leaks, cracks, splits, etc.

Best

Darc

snip

> The problem is that the boost never goes above 2lbs. The gauge needle stays low then suddenly jumps to "0". No matter how hard
> I push it. The car is slow. It seems like the turbos begin to spool then flatten out. The dealer and tech can't figure out the
> problem. They replaced the wastegate solenoid and checked the boost gage, no help. They seem at thier wits end.
>



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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:52:38 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <wallisg@mwaa.com>
Subject: Team3S: Erebuni Kit

Well I got the car back Sat. (that was scary...my girlfriend had to drive
the Mystique back following me out of New York and it was her first time
driving stick!! You have NEVER seen NY'ers that pissed...) The front
came out great. Snug fit, lines up well, used 100% factory mounting
points, and retained the active aero. On top of that, the active aero looks
cooler then ever. If you go to www.spoilers.com you will see that the
middle bottom of the new front fasci sorta comes/indents up for a couple
feet. The words "active aero" come down and fill that exact spot
PERFECTLY. Looks awesome...

I'll get pictures up and start experimenting with performance increases,
(ducts), ASAP. Incidentally once it is painted Erebuni is going to get the
car into Street Sport magazine. Woohoo...bonified rice boy now!

Gavin
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:06:33 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: aluminum y-pipe

Anyone know of someone building aluminum y-pipes for the Twin Turbo?

I have a friend looking for one.
Thanks

> Brad
Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:53:49 -0700
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost

When I had that problem I had a loose Y pipe connection...

> > The problem is that the boost never goes above 2lbs. The gauge needle
stays low then suddenly jumps to "0". No matter how hard
> > I push it. The car is slow. It seems like the turbos begin to spool then
flatten out. The dealer and tech can't figure out the
> > problem





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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:59:38 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Questions about hoses for boost controller

Roger,

Why do we often (but not always) see duplicates of your responses?

Roger Gerl wrote:
>
> > 1.  My assumption is that the boost controller, is just detecting and
> > applying pressure from the hoses attached to it, in which case I would be
> > better off with smaller diameter hose for a quicker response, versus a
> > larger hose for more flow.  Should I go for a larger or smaller diameter?
>
> Your assumption is not fully correct as the DSBC is not like other BCs. The
> "boost detecting" hose is the small plastic tube delivered with the Blitz stuff
> that runs from the intake plenum to the controller in the passenger compartment.
> I used a larger dia hose as the additional boost meter needs that. The "applying
> pressure" hoses are the larger hoses connected to the solenoid valves from the
> DSBC mounted in your engine compartment. Use the delivered hose as well as a
> coupler to a smaller size for the y-pipe connection.
> etc.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:05:10 -0400
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Stillen/AP brakes

I got some information back regarding the brake kits.
As for the AP Kits, my pricing isn't quite as cheap Stillen's pricing,
but here it goes, the following are all AP calipers
14" Two Piece 6 POT $4000
13" Two Piece 6 POT $3500
12.2" One Piece 6 POT $2750
These all include pad's Hawk HPS Pads, along with stainless steel lines,
DOT4 fluid
I've also located a possible source for a big brake kit for the rear of
our cars utilizing a 12.4" 2 Piece AP Two POT for the street. While if
your not planning to use the handbrake's, a 6 POT AP. This can also be
utilized witha Double Master Cylinder even though it still will work
with the factory unit.
The main difference is basically the Handbrake the problem with the drum
in the rear.
Pricing for the Rear Kit would roughly be around $2500 for the race
version and a bit more for the street legal version.

I can offer a group purchase price for these kits, if you guys can get
more than 4 kits together.
These kits can be cross drilled/slotted or left alone.

A Balanced Brake kit could be available but I doubt many customers would
want it, where you would utilize two smaller 4 piston calipers on the
front and back of the front rotor. It would roughly be 25mm and 30 mm
bores. This is rather pricey and is mainly for touring.

Then there is finally a 6 POT Liquid Cooled AP Caliper available for the
car, but this is  rather custom and your expecting to pay roughly $2200
just for the caliper.


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:06:31 +1200
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Questions about hoses for boost controller

> The most recent being the boost controller.  I've got a few of
> questions about the hoses going to the boost controller.  I'm
> shortening excessive hose length, and removing hoses that are
> no longer necessary.

Where did you install the DSBC?  One thing I did was to ask the
list where was a good spot.  After a few responses from people
(and a couple to pictures to and from Mikael Akesson), I decided
on the spot behind the battery, up against the firewall.
This has resulted in very short (approx 20cm) hose lengths.  As
for your other questions...  They are a little techo for me  :)

Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:04:22 -0700
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Questions about hoses for boost controller

I might have been a witness to his last one...I also hit reply to the same
message that he did and the list came up twice as a recipient... I happened
to notice it and deleted one of them...I think you get it more often when
you hit reply all...

- -Bill

> Roger,
>
> Why do we often (but not always) see duplicates of your responses?
>
> Roger Gerl wrote:





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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:14:24 -0600
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: Team3S: running rich

Well I just got off the phone with John at rc engineering. I had sent him my
6 550cc injectors because two cylinders were running extremely rich. He just
told me all 6 are fine and must be another problem. I am clueless on what
the other problem would be??? Compression is fine. I was running the bcpr7es
plugs and now switched to the 6 series but still that would not cause 2
cylinders to run rich. Compression is fine oh and these two injectors where
not on the same location of the fuel rail one was on the rear bank and one
in the front. Could this be a vpc problem or a computer problem because I
did by a g-force upgrade from hennessee motorsports at the same time as the
vpc??? Oh and no vacume leaks according to the boost gauge. :(
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:42:43 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: running rich

Peter...

Hmmmm, very interesting. I'm also experiencing a extreme rich condition
after a G-force ECU upgrade. I DIDN'T add a VPC, so we "might" be able to
eliminate that. Compare your mods with the list in my signature. Are we
talking the same basic setup? Robert (at G-force) has been rather adamant
that this isn't a programming problem (and he's done one set of leaner
programs already), but the turbos, fuel pump, and RC 560 injectors all came
from another car that was running perfectly. The only variable (in my case)
seems to be the ECU upgrade. Questions...

How do you know it's two specific injectors? Do you have actual air/fuel
numbers? Load or no load?

I'm having to buy a $300 exhaust gas analyzer to get to the bottom of this.
:-(

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Palamara, Peter [mailto:pala@gwl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:14 PM
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'; 'codsm@co.dsm.org'
Subject: Team3S: running rich

Well I just got off the phone with John at rc engineering. I had sent him my
6 550cc injectors because two cylinders were running extremely rich. He just
told me all 6 are fine and must be another problem. I am clueless on what
the other problem would be??? Compression is fine. I was running the bcpr7es
plugs and now switched to the 6 series but still that would not cause 2
cylinders to run rich. Compression is fine oh and these two injectors where
not on the same location of the fuel rail one was on the rear bank and one
in the front. Could this be a vpc problem or a computer problem because I
did by a g-force upgrade from hennessee motorsports at the same time as the
vpc??? Oh and no vacume leaks according to the boost gauge. :(
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:04:15 -0600
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: running rich

Well I found out because I was fowling plugs on those two cylinders. The
other 4 where brown but not like the other two. There has to be some sort of
programming problem with the vpc or g-force because I have my vpc turned to
0 and I still only get upto a max of 700 Celsius on the egt :( I mean I am
at 5800 ft above sealevel and I know that is part of the problem but not all
of it. I have almost exactly the same upgrades as you except for the
exhaust,i use a hks boost controller, and plugs gapped at 28 thous. Oh and I
have 550cc instead of 560's. Strange huh!

92 3000 GTO MMC
500 H.P. of Fun
Plates (HIPRESR)
(303) 689-4733


- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley [mailto:cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 2:43 PM
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
Subject: RE: Team3S: running rich


Peter...

Hmmmm, very interesting. I'm also experiencing a extreme rich condition
after a G-force ECU upgrade. I DIDN'T add a VPC, so we "might" be able to
eliminate that. Compare your mods with the list in my signature. Are we
talking the same basic setup? Robert (at G-force) has been rather adamant
that this isn't a programming problem (and he's done one set of leaner
programs already), but the turbos, fuel pump, and RC 560 injectors all came
from another car that was running perfectly. The only variable (in my case)
seems to be the ECU upgrade. Questions...

How do you know it's two specific injectors? Do you have actual air/fuel
numbers? Load or no load?

I'm having to buy a $300 exhaust gas analyzer to get to the bottom of this.
:-(

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Palamara, Peter [mailto:pala@gwl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:14 PM
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'; 'codsm@co.dsm.org'
Subject: Team3S: running rich

Well I just got off the phone with John at rc engineering. I had sent him my
6 550cc injectors because two cylinders were running extremely rich. He just
told me all 6 are fine and must be another problem. I am clueless on what
the other problem would be??? Compression is fine. I was running the bcpr7es
plugs and now switched to the 6 series but still that would not cause 2
cylinders to run rich. Compression is fine oh and these two injectors where
not on the same location of the fuel rail one was on the rear bank and one
in the front. Could this be a vpc problem or a computer problem because I
did by a g-force upgrade from hennessee motorsports at the same time as the
vpc??? Oh and no vacume leaks according to the boost gauge. :(
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:58:47 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Porterfield rotors

I was gonna buy some new stock rotors for my 94 VR4 until I found out they
are $103 each. Sheesh, slotted or drilled rotors are not all that much more
expensive.

Roger's brake site says Porterfields are $70 each. I find that hard to
believe.
Anybody got a contact phone no. or know a supplier? I went to their web
site, but (aside from being very confusing) it has no contact information.
I picked off their e-mail address (info@porterfieldbrake) but I suspect it
will take them several days to respond (just a WAG).
I also recall a recent thread reporting that Porterfield said, "What's a
Mitsubishi? (or something like that)."
Has anyone actually used Porterfield rotors, or are they still in development?

Here's something interesting: for race pads, Porterfield recommends
Performance Friction pads.

Someone else has Warner rotors on his 95 VR4, and reported good success
with 'em.
Are these different from stock rotors? Where do you get them? How much?

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:15:35 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Questions about hoses for boost controller

I mounted the DSBC next to the K&N filter.  I decided to remove original
hose from the Y-pipe and just run the OUT from the DSBC directly to the
4-way split.  I'm using the hoses that came with the DSBC, but I believe
that running a smaller diameter hose from the OUT of the DSBC will allow it
to control the wastegates quicker due to the smaller volume of air that
would need to be pressurized.


Michael


> -----Original Message-----
>
> Where did you install the DSBC?  One thing I did was to ask the
> list where was a good spot.  After a few responses from people
> (and a couple to pictures to and from Mikael Akesson), I decided
> on the spot behind the battery, up against the firewall.
> This has resulted in very short (approx 20cm) hose lengths.  As
> for your other questions...  They are a little techo for me  :)
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin Clark

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:19:43 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <wallisg@mwaa.com>
Subject: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

Soon i will have a Blitz DSBC installed in my car. Could i not just turn the
boost totally off for the last few minutes i'm driving the car to accomplish
the same effect as a turbo timer?

Neat...going from 450hp down to an SL's 240 :).

Gavin
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:29:20 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfield rotors

Ooops. I discovered that the Porterfield e-mail address does not work.
However, in the process of checking it again on the site, I found the
contact info.
In case anyone else is seeking it:

Porterfield
1767 Placentia Ave. Costa Mesa, Calif. 92627  
(949) 548-4470 
Fax(949)548-7783
OutsideCa.(800)537-6842
E-Mail: info@porterfieldbrake (does not work)

I know the phone number works, because I just talked to a nice lady.
She has to fax me a form to fill out, so I can get the right rotor.
Apparently, they differ from month to month.

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:37:42 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

Gavin...

Turning off the BC will do nothing to cool your turbos, which is what the TT
is designed to do. Basically, it allows you to lock your car and walk away
with the engine running. Passing oil through the turbos at idle is what
cools them, which has very little to do with the amount of boost you're
running when on the road. A TT should be considered a "must" for any
turbocharged vehicle.

Of course, the alternative is to sit in your car for 60 seconds with the
engine at idle when you've gotten to wherever you're going.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gavin Wallis [mailto:wallisg@mwaa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 2:20 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

Soon i will have a Blitz DSBC installed in my car. Could i not just turn the
boost totally off for the last few minutes i'm driving the car to accomplish
the same effect as a turbo timer?

Neat...going from 450hp down to an SL's 240 :).

Gavin
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:42:04 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

Gavin...

BTW...just in case I answered the wrong question...turning off the BC does
not turn off the turbos, it merely returns the wastegate actuator
programming to stock.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gavin Wallis [mailto:wallisg@mwaa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 2:20 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

Soon i will have a Blitz DSBC installed in my car. Could i not just turn the
boost totally off for the last few minutes i'm driving the car to accomplish
the same effect as a turbo timer?

Neat...going from 450hp down to an SL's 240 :).

Gavin
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:42:27 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfield rotors

For email to Porterfield try either of these:

info@porterfieldbrakes.com (brakes - plural...)

or

timg@globalpac.com (he's the " mailto " on the website)

Forrest

- -----Original Message-----From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>

|Ooops. I discovered that the Porterfield e-mail address does not
work.
|However, in the process of checking it again on the site, I found
the
|contact info.
|In case anyone else is seeking it:
|
|Porterfield
|1767 Placentia Ave. Costa Mesa, Calif. 92627
|(949) 548-4470
|Fax(949)548-7783
|OutsideCa.(800)537-6842
|E-Mail: info@porterfieldbrake (does not work)
|
|I know the phone number works, because I just talked to a nice
lady.
|She has to fax me a form to fill out, so I can get the right rotor.
|Apparently, they differ from month to month.



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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:43:42 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <wallisg@mwaa.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer? -Reply

I understand the concept of the turbo timer...not having to worry, lock
your car and walk away. But turning off the boost should still accomplish
the same effect albeit without having the luxury of driving hard until you
stop. If the boost is turned off, the turbos should stop spinning and
creating heat which will allow oil to circulate through them at a much
lower tempature avoiding scalding from lack of oil or high tempature oil.

Unless your saying the oil to the turbochargers acts differently at idle
then while driving. Which doesn't make much sense. Because you do not
need to use a turbocharger if you run your car very lightly and not utilize
the turbos for the last few minutes...essentially the same effect as
turning off the boost....i think.

Someone please clear up.

Thanks,
Gavin

>>> Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com> 04/27/99 05:37pm >>>
Gavin...

Turning off the BC will do nothing to cool your turbos, which is what the
TT
is designed to do. Basically, it allows you to lock your car and walk
away
with the engine running. Passing oil through the turbos at idle is what
cools them, which has very little to do with the amount of boost you're
running when on the road. A TT should be considered a "must" for any
turbocharged vehicle.

Of course, the alternative is to sit in your car for 60 seconds with the
engine at idle when you've gotten to wherever you're going.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos,
bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy
PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom
intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum
plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gavin Wallis [mailto:wallisg@mwaa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 2:20 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

Soon i will have a Blitz DSBC installed in my car. Could i not just turn the
boost totally off for the last few minutes i'm driving the car to accomplish
the same effect as a turbo timer?

Neat...going from 450hp down to an SL's 240 :).

Gavin
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:35:53 -0400
From: "Stealth" <cirrus@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

>Turning off the BC will do nothing to cool your turbos, which is what the
TT
>is designed to do. Basically, it allows you to lock your car and walk away
>with the engine running


Hhmm, mine automatically unlocks the doors upon shutoff. If I need to lock
the car when I park, I have to either sit there and wait for it to shut off
after the designated time frame or manually override it and shut it off
myself.

I think it's a safety feature designed to keep people from locking their
keys in the car. Although unlocking after it shuts off has its negative
features...

Robyn



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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:57:31 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

> I understand the concept of the turbo timer...not having to worry, lock
> your car and walk away. But turning off the boost should still accomplish
> the same effect albeit without having the luxury of driving hard until you
> stop. If the boost is turned off, the turbos should stop spinning and
> creating heat which will allow oil to circulate through them at a much
> lower tempature avoiding scalding from lack of oil or high tempature oil.

The turbines don't stop spinning just because you aren't under boost.  The
exhaust gasses are still spinning them, just at a slower rate which doesn't
produce boost.  When you turn the car off, they are still spinning until the
friction in the bearings makes them come to a stop.  There's no switch that
magically makes them stop, since they are spun by the exhaust gasses.

Keeping your foot off the gas just before getting home will definitely help
keep the temps in the turbos down, without having to change boost levels.
Self-restraint is just as effective (if not more so) than reducing the boost
levels.

The boost controller only controls how much pressure the wastegate actuators
"see".  By making them see less of the actual pressure, you produce more
boost by making the wastegates open later.  If you turn off your boost
controller, you allow the wastegate actuators to see the "real" manifold
pressure, and they will open sooner, thereby making the turbos produce less
boost.

I think you might be misunderstanding some of the concepts about how the
turbo system works and how the wastegates control the boost.  You might want
to check out a book like "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell to get caught up on
all the terminology.  It explains it all more clearly than can be done in an
e-mail.

- -Matt

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:44:38 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <wallisg@mwaa.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer? -Reply

Oh...well i'm not saying to turn off the Boost controller? (did i say that?
oops if i did)....i'm talking about turning off the boost....below stock.

Gavin

>>> Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com> 04/27/99 05:42pm >>>
Gavin...

BTW...just in case I answered the wrong question...turning off the BC
does
not turn off the turbos, it merely returns the wastegate actuator
programming to stock.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos,
bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy
PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom
intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum
plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gavin Wallis [mailto:wallisg@mwaa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 2:20 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

Soon i will have a Blitz DSBC installed in my car. Could i not just turn the
boost totally off for the last few minutes i'm driving the car to accomplish
the same effect as a turbo timer?

Neat...going from 450hp down to an SL's 240 :).

Gavin
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer?

- --- Gavin Wallis <wallisg@mwaa.com> wrote:

>
> Neat...going from 450hp down to an SL's 240 :).
>

Hmmm.. is that possible??

George
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:10:07 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: running rich

Peter;

It seems odd the the G-Force ECU would signal just two injectors to pulse
more fuel than the other four...Could the problem be a weak spark at those
cylinders?  That would explain the fouling and the low EGT's.  I'm not sure
how you would check it other than installing an aftermarket ignition system
and seeing if the problem goes away.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth



>Well I found out because I was fowling plugs on those two cylinders. The
>other 4 where brown but not like the other two. There has to be some sort
of
>programming problem with the vpc or g-force because I have my vpc turned to
>0 and I still only get upto a max of 700 Celsius on the egt :( I mean I am
>at 5800 ft above sealevel and I know that is part of the problem but not
all

<snip>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:16:48 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need 1st Gen Hood

I've decided to look into modifying a 1st gen. hood for improved air inlet.
Any suggenstions on where to get one in fair condition would be greatly
appreciated.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT
rtrent@nlci.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:27:02 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Team3S: Inlet air Temp. Report

It seems I've underestimated the need for better air into our induction
system.  After installing a temp. probe 2in. behind my K&N (between K&N and
battery about 2in. down from the top of the K&N), I was shocked to find the
air temp. was between 80 and 90 F.  The problem was that ambient was a
horsepower rich 60 F at the time.  Theres a good 20 F to be gained just by
pulling in abient air!

Regards,
DaveT/92TT/13g/500cc/AFC/AVC/EGT/NBC

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:04:03 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Questions about hoses for boost controller

> I mounted the DSBC next to the K&N filter.

Same as my (current) setup.

> I decided to remove original hose from the Y-pipe and just run the OUT from
> the DSBC directly to the 4-way split.

Ok ... but where is the IN coming from ??

> I'm using the hoses that came with the DSBC, but I believe
> that running a smaller diameter hose from the OUT of the DSBC will allow it
> to control the wastegates quicker due to the smaller volume of air that
> would need to be pressurized.

Oh no, just look at the intercooler, IC piping and the y-pipe. You have (almost)
the same pressurized air in all of these parts and therefore the smaller pipes
do not help in this point of view. Finally it really depends on how much parts
are connected to the vacuum lines and how much of them vent to anywhere (like
the small valves in the DSBC box). The only important thing is that the hoses do
not expand under pressure.

BTW, the location with about 20cm lenght of hoses is a really good one.

Regards,
Roger
(hopefully sending only one message)


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:24:06 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer? -Reply

Ahem, why not just lift your right foot ?

> But turning off the boost should still accomplish the same effect albeit
> without having the luxury of driving hard until you stop.

Your boost will still be around 0.5bars with hot oil.

> If the boost is turned off, the turbos should stop spinning

NONONO ! Your turbos can't stop spinning without shutting the engine off !! If
you want to do this you MUST BYPASS the turbine wheel. Just recap how a turbo
works ;-) You can do this by fully open the wastegates but this can only be done
with pressure applied to the wg actuators. You can do this with an extra
pressure reservoir, a bunch of solenoid valves and a switch and headache .... or
get a timer for ~$100.

> Unless your saying the oil to the turbochargers acts differently at idle
> then while driving. Which doesn't make much sense. Because you do not
> need to use a turbocharger if you run your car very lightly and not utilize
> the turbos for the last few minutes...essentially the same effect as
> turning off the boost....i think.

Ok, we know now that turning off boost is only possible with a lot of work. The
Blitz Dual Timer calculates the time of keep the car running after shutting it
off upon the measured boost over a period of driving. With this the timer showed
up to 58 seconds and when just cruising around then the time got lowered in
seconds steps down to 10 sec minimum. But the time increases on a vacuum of
about -5hg, not yet in the boost area. Letting the car idle for a time will give
the turbos the chance to cool down and not the oil (little to nothing).
Therefore the oil in the turbos will then not glaze when there is no more
pressure and flow as the case already cooled down a little.

BTW, driving 5 minutes in the 1 bar region without going down (typical Autobahn
situation) increased the time up to 2 min 45 sec. Almost 98% before I switch off
the car the timer shows the min of 10 seconds.

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:26:43 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfield rotors

> Roger's brake site says Porterfields are $70 each. I find that hard to
> believe.

That's from a message out of the discussion. I already deleted the original mail
and this could indeed be a typo. Please let me know if anybody has the real
pricing information.

Thanks,
Roger


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:35:54 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: running rich

Only a small idea. The injectors are driven with an inline resistor (the
resistor bank at the firewall). What if the resitors are having more tolerances
between each others than expected ? I'd measure the resistance of each one to
find out if this injectors are maybe delivering more fuel than the others. Just
an idea.

Also, in what cylinders have you seen the fouled plugs ?

Finally, have you checked your fuel pressure and is everything ok with the fuel
rail ?

Just brainstorming :)

Roger

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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:41:18 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Inlet air Temp. Report

> battery about 2in. down from the top of the K&N), I was shocked to find the
> air temp. was between 80 and 90 F.  The problem was that ambient was a
> horsepower rich 60 F at the time.

Very true !

> Theres a good 20 F to be gained just by
> pulling in abient air!

... or drawing the hot air out.

Place the probe into the y-pip liek we did on the dyno to see how effective the
IC works.

Regards,
Roger
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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:56:32 +1200
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Inlet air Temp. Report

> air temp. was between 80 and 90 F.  The problem was that ambient
> was a horsepower rich 60 F at the time.  Theres a good 20 F to be
> gained just by pulling in abient air!

I have also done the same.  It is also interesting to note that
the temperature will climb rapidly when stopped!  The underhood
temperature climbs to between 104-140F after being parked for
just 5 minutes!  It also takes a long time for the temperature
to go back down, so a few of you may like to change the way you
prepare for 1/4 mile events   :)

Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:59:28 +1200
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need 1st Gen Hood

> I've decided to look into modifying a 1st gen. hood for
> improved air inlet.

I think it would be worth looking into outlet's rather
than inlets...  I feel these cars should be getting
more than enough airflow coming from the front end
and that it is just a matter of venting the "hot"
air out...

Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:05:14 -0400
From: Gavin Wallis <wallisg@mwaa.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer? -Reply -Reply

Why not just lift your right foot? Cuz that's a pain and a nusiance i was
trying to avoid.

oops...sorry i'd mean actually stopping the turbines...i meant more fully
opening the wastegates to simulate the same thing as idle.

Where i lacked knowledge was that fact that the WG actuators could not
open fully by themselves to vent pressure. Gotcha now, and thank you.

Gavin

>>> "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch> 04/27/99 06:24pm >>>
Ahem, why not just lift your right foot ?
Your boost will still be around 0.5bars with hot oil.

NONONO ! Your turbos can't stop spinning without shutting the engine
off !! If
you want to do this you MUST BYPASS the turbine wheel. Just recap
how a turbo
works ;-) You can do this by fully open the wastegates but this can only
be done
with pressure applied to the wg actuators. You can do this with an extra
pressure reservoir, a bunch of solenoid valves and a switch and
headache .... or
get a timer for ~$100.

> Unless your saying the oil to the turbochargers acts differently at idle
> then while driving. Which doesn't make much sense. Because you do
not
> need to use a turbocharger if you run your car very lightly and not
utilize
> the turbos for the last few minutes...essentially the same effect as
> turning off the boost....i think.

Ok, we know now that turning off boost is only possible with a lot of
work. The
Blitz Dual Timer calculates the time of keep the car running after shutting
it
off upon the measured boost over a period of driving. With this the timer
showed
up to 58 seconds and when just cruising around then the time got
lowered in
seconds steps down to 10 sec minimum. But the time increases on a
vacuum of
about -5hg, not yet in the boost area. Letting the car idle for a time will
give
the turbos the chance to cool down and not the oil (little to nothing).
Therefore the oil in the turbos will then not glaze when there is no more
pressure and flow as the case already cooled down a little.

BTW, driving 5 minutes in the 1 bar region without going down (typical
Autobahn
situation) increased the time up to 2 min 45 sec. Almost 98% before I
switch off
the car the timer shows the min of 10 seconds.

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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:09:28 -0700
From: "Dave Allison" <dallison@siebel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Inlet air Temp. Report

I've done this very same test for the past 3 days or so and found that the
temperature at the intake is 10-20F degrees warmer, depending on the speed
of the car (amount of inlet air being brought into the engine compartment)
I've also found that on an 80F day, turning off the engine and leaving the
car parked allows the underhood temps to rise up to 130F degrees. I plan to
measure the intake charge in the Y-pipe and simultaneously just after the
turbos (before the intercoolers) next week. This should give me a a baseline
to compare to when I upgrade the intercoolers.

Thanks.

Dave Allison

- -----Original Message-----
From: R.G. [mailto:robby@swissonline.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 3:41 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Inlet air Temp. Report


> battery about 2in. down from the top of the K&N), I was shocked to find
the
> air temp. was between 80 and 90 F.  The problem was that ambient was a
> horsepower rich 60 F at the time.

Very true !

> Theres a good 20 F to be gained just by
> pulling in abient air!

... or drawing the hot air out.

Place the probe into the y-pip liek we did on the dyno to see how effective
the
IC works.

Regards,
Roger
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:10:57 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need 1st Gen Hood

Sounds like the Bozz Speed Bonnet Scoops to me.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth

>
>I think it would be worth looking into outlet's rather
>than inlets...  I feel these cars should be getting
>more than enough airflow coming from the front end
>and that it is just a matter of venting the "hot"
>air out...
>
>Cheers,
>Kevin Clark
>'91 GTO-VR4


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:47:51 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfield rotors

"R.G." wrote:
>
> > Roger's brake site says Porterfields are $70 each. I find that hard to
> > believe.
>
> That's from a message out of the discussion. I already deleted the original mail
> and this could indeed be a typo. Please let me know if anybody has the real
> pricing information.

I just confirmed the prices via phone:

front rear
91-93 rotor $79 each $75
94+ rotor $99 $85

cryogenic treatment $40 each
cross drilling $50 each

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:40:21 -0400
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost

could be a leaking bypass valve
Frank
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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From: rammer11@ix.netcom.com <rammer11@ix.netcom.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 10:04 AM
Subject: Team3S: No Boost


>I am in need of help regarding my '92 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo. I had a
remanufactured long block installed 1,700 miles ago.
>When I received the car back from the dealer I noticed that it was very
sluggish, but I attributed that to the newness and
>lack of being broken in. After the 500 mi service and oil change the car
ran much better but I still took it easy.
>
>The problem is that the boost never goes above 2lbs. The gauge needle stays
low then suddenly jumps to "0". No matter how hard
>I push it. The car is slow. It seems like the turbos begin to spool then
flatten out. The dealer and tech can't figure out the
>problem. They replaced the wastegate solenoid and checked the boost gage,
no help. They seem at thier wits end.
>
>Can anyone help?
>
>RAM
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:52:17 EDT
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: GTO continuation, injector malfunction

When I had injector problems, I had gasoline dripping out of the tips of my
exhaust.
An injector was either leaking or stopped up or something, but you could
smell gasoline when you opened the hood.  I actually drove almost 200 miles
with the car in this condition because I had no choice.  That is the problem
I had with the injectors so I replaced the fuel rail, fuel pressure
regulator, and injectors with ones off my old engine pulled out of the car. 
Does anyone think maybee my catalitic  converters are more than likely
damaged?  And, aren't 3 catalitic converters too many?  Is it a okay idea to
remove two of them and leave only one?
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:59:18 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Questions about hoses for boost controller

> > I mounted the DSBC next to the K&N filter.
>
> Same as my (current) setup.

<G>  Used your page for a lot of the install.  Kudos to you and John Adams.


> > I decided to remove original hose from the Y-pipe and just
> run the OUT from
> > the DSBC directly to the 4-way split.
>
> Ok ... but where is the IN coming from ??
>

Straight from the Y-pipe.  It should always have more pressure than the DSBC
is putting out, so   the response time should not matter.





> > I'm using the hoses that came with the DSBC, but I believe
> > that running a smaller diameter hose from the OUT of the
> DSBC will allow it
> > to control the wastegates quicker due to the smaller volume
> of air that
> > would need to be pressurized.
>

> Oh no, just look at the intercooler, IC piping and the
> y-pipe. You have (almost)
> the same pressurized air in all of these parts and therefore
> the smaller pipes
> do not help in this point of view. Finally it really depends
> on how much parts
> are connected to the vacuum lines and how much of them vent
> to anywhere (like
> the small valves in the DSBC box). The only important thing
> is that the hoses do
> not expand under pressure.


Oh, I thought you only had to increase pressure from the DSBC to the
wastegate actuator.  I thought the actual air to the IC, piping, Y-Pipe,
came straight from the turbos with the wastegate closed.


Michael

BTW:  I'm just learning about turbo's and high performance cars in general,
so please treat my posts as someone trying out ideas and looking for
opinions from the expert's rather than as fact.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:05:23 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Make shift turbo timer? -Reply

> Blitz Dual Timer calculates the time of keep the car running
> after shutting it
> off upon the measured boost over a period of driving. With
> this the timer showed

Anyone know how the Blitz FATT (Full Auto Turbo Timer) works?  I thought it
was basing the time off of the engine's RPM, but after installing the DSBC,
it has increased the average idle time, which I agree with, I just don't
know how it knew.  As far as I can tell, it has no knowledge of the boost
level.

Michael

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:12:14 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: A little good news to share

Hey Guys,
My little Black 97 Honda Civic turbo is in the June Issue of Sport Compact
Car - Finally. They have been saying this article would appear since about
January. I here the spread is about 5 pages - I have not seen it but I just
got an Email saying its there. I'm going to go looking for a copy but its
hard to find around me. I hope its for real. If you have a copy of this
issue, just Email me its in there.
Thanks :)
Arty 91 VR-4

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:31:58 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need 1st Gen Hood

Kevin Clark wrote:

> > I've decided to look into modifying a 1st gen. hood for
> > improved air inlet.
>
> I think it would be worth looking into outlet's rather
> than inlets...  I feel these cars should be getting
> more than enough airflow coming from the front end
> and that it is just a matter of venting the "hot"
> air out...

...which would mean that instead of a hood, buy a set of shock tower covers/hood
blisters, for a lot less and do some modifications to them. If you come up with
something sharp, very functional, and reasonably priced, you might have a captive
market. I've always thought a kit for performing mods to the blisters was a good
marketing idea along these lines.

Best

Darc

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:37:29 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brake upgrades

>>I recently upgraded my front rotors to powerslots, which I like although
>>I haven't given them much serios punishment yet. 

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Rich-
Old Poop maybe, but probably not older than I: (63+ yr.) 
I just installed new OEM rotors because my originals
had warped until I couldn't hold the steering wheel
still while braking.  How much better are the Powerslots?
I have a '95 VR-4, which has 10.7 inch diameter front
discs.  Do the Powerslots use the OEM calipers, or do
you need to buy new calipers/pads too?
Regards, ptg

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:08:58 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@premier1.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brake upgrades

I love my powerslots.  They're a drop-in replacement for the old rotors, no caliper
upgrade req'd.  One drawback is you can't resurface them, so we'll see how long they
last.  The stock rotors warped almost immediately (2000 miles) after being resurfaced,
which made me try powerslot to begin with.

"Paul T. Golley" wrote:

> >>I recently upgraded my front rotors to powerslots, which I like although
> >>I haven't given them much serios punishment yet.
>
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
> Rich-
> Old Poop maybe, but probably not older than I: (63+ yr.)
> I just installed new OEM rotors because my originals
> had warped until I couldn't hold the steering wheel
> still while braking.  How much better are the Powerslots?
> I have a '95 VR-4, which has 10.7 inch diameter front
> discs.  Do the Powerslots use the OEM calipers, or do
> you need to buy new calipers/pads too?
> Regards, ptg
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:00:49 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1st Gen. Hood Mods

A quick inspection of the air filter area shows that air for the most part,
can only get in or out from underneath.  Even this route is largely blocked
by the active aero/shrouding behind the front spoiler.  My concern with
using the blister opening for an outlet is that your drawing warm engine air
right past the filter on its way out.  If you've removed the blister, you
will have noticed that the usefull opening is only about 8 sq. in. and
behind the filter.  I suspect the over priced boze speed blisters are
useless.  Initially, it makes more sense to me to bring in ambient air as
close to direct to the inlet as possible.  Let the warm air get out however
it does now, just as long as when the filter is sucking the 720 cfm it
needs, theres a close supply of ambient air available.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:14:44 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfield rotors

I am assuming that this is Warner as in Borg-Warner and they should be
available all over the place.  Maybe wrong; just my $0.02

Regards,
Lynn

Merritt wrote:
>
> Someone else has Warner rotors on his 95 VR4, and reported good success
> with 'em.
> Are these different from stock rotors? Where do you get them? How much?
>
> Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:12:31 -0400
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Porterfield rotors

Which is better cross drilled or Cryogenic?  Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Middaugh [mailto:middaugh@omega.gat.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 7:48 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfield rotors

"R.G." wrote:
>
> > Roger's brake site says Porterfields are $70 each. I
find that hard to
> > believe.
>
> That's from a message out of the discussion. I already
deleted the original mail
> and this could indeed be a typo. Please let me know if
anybody has the real
> pricing information.

I just confirmed the prices via phone:

front rear
91-93 rotor $79 each $75
94+ rotor $99 $85

cryogenic treatment $40 each
cross drilling $50 each

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:29:02 EDT
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Used Parts for Sale!

All,

    I have the following used parts for sale.. e-mail if interested!

2 x A'PEXi AFC
1 x HKS Fuel Pump

Tan leather seats..18,000miles

Front Drivers...excellent condition (looks new)
Front Passenger...excellent condition (looks new)
Carpet (tan)...excellent condition (looks new)
Console side covers...excellent condition (looks new)

Please e-mail LotoBoost@aol.com if interested!

Thanks,
Mike
1994 Steath tt
Best et: 11.4 Best mph: 122
www.AlteredAtmosphere.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:27:17 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: brake upgrades

>I just installed new OEM rotors because my originals
>had warped until I couldn't hold the steering wheel
>still while braking.  How much better are the Powerslots?

I think they are very good for street and autocross.
Don't try any open track events or driver's schools, because they break.

>I have a '95 VR-4, which has 10.7 inch diameter front
>discs.  Do the Powerslots use the OEM calipers, or do
>you need to buy new calipers/pads too?

I have a 94, and I just used the stock calipers. I installed some
Performance Friction carbon metallic street/performance pads, and the whole
package worked pretty good (until I got it on a track). I suspect that your
old pads are probably shot if the rotors are that bad.

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:40:40 EDT
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Used Parts for Sale!

Forgot to mention the rear seats also...

Mike


......
All,
 
     I have the following used parts for sale.. e-mail if interested!
 
 2 x A'PEXi AFC
 1 x HKS Fuel Pump
 
 Tan leather seats..18,000miles
 
 Front Drivers...excellent condition (looks new)
 Front Passenger...excellent condition (looks new)
 Carpet (tan)...excellent condition (looks new)
 Console side covers...excellent condition (looks new)
 
 Please e-mail LotoBoost@aol.com if interested!
 
 Thanks,
 Mike
 1994 Steath tt
 Best et: 11.4 Best mph: 122
 www.AlteredAtmosphere.com
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