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Team3S Digest          Friday, April 23 1999          Volume 01 : Number 160




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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:32:42 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Where's Mitsu?

Whilst we are having this marvelous discussion about brakes, the thought
occurs: Where's Mitsubishi when we really need them? Don't they have any
kind of tech support for racers?

I remember the glory days of Datsun, when they competed in SCCA club
racing, Pro rallying, and world championship rallying. Paul Newman drove
the Bob Sharp Datsun 510 and 240Z cars, and Datsun was a power to be
reckoned with all over the world. On the pro rally circuit, 75% of the
field was in Datsun 510s.

And Datsun Competition helped us out greatly. We could buy rallye springs
and shocks for $15 each, we got a 15% discount at the dealer, and they
often made parts from the works rally cars available. I got a set of
African Safari gas struts for about $100, and a 240 Z limited slip for
about $125. 

So, where's Mitsu? Why isn't someone from Mitsu participating in our
discussions? Where can we get tech help? Where can we buy factory parts?
Seems to me they are missing a great opportunity to support a bunch of
loyal enthusiasts. Anybody know anyone at Mitsubishi? Where's Mr. Murakami?
He knows EVERYBODY.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:33:17 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Fuel "economy"

Irving...

My fuel system mods decreased my in town mpg by roughly a third (from 15 mpg
down to 10 mpg). BUT, I'm still running rich at the top end AND I've been
driving almost constant WOT since I finished (well, I'm not finished, yet).
Considering I'm running 25% 104 octane racing fuel, which costs $4.75 a
gallon, the whole mods program has gotten rather expensive. Then again, this
is NOT my daily driver.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Irving & Ana Jimenez [mailto:lt1power@crystal.palace.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 6:50 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: 550cc injectors on a 96VR4
<snip>

Question :

What kind of fuel mileage ( M.P.G. )  you guys getting with the 550cc
Injectors ?

Irving
96 VR4
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:07:59 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheels and other brainstorm schtuff, was: Basic brake upgrade

> I've always wondered about this myself. Seems like the brake
> fluid stays in
> the calipers, where it gets cooked constantly, until it turns
> black and has
> to be bled off. Why can't brake fluid be circulated or cooled?
> >

What if some sort of valve system were set up? When the foot is off the
brake, a second line could pump brake fluid through the caliper via a one
way valve. step on the brakes, the pump turns off, and the valve closes. Is
this even possible with ABS, and all the other brake stuff? i guess the
caliper would have to be drilled for a feed line. Would air entering the
brake fluid be possible in a closed loop system? I guess bleeding the brakes
would become harder too.


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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:19:04 -0700
From: "Brent W" <bwiscombe@email.msn.com>
Subject: Team3S: Twin Turbo Chargers For Sale from 3000GT VR-4

Hello,
I have for sale the two turbos that came on the factory twin turbo 3.0 liter
V-6 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (the brother to the Dodge Stealth). I only have
the turbos themselves without any other items. These are the TDO4 series
turbochargers by Mitsubishi.

These two turbos were working perfectly when removed prior to converting the
car into a race car. The car only had about 15,000 miles on it at the time
when the turbos were removed for the conversion, so these turbos are gently
used. These turbos have the built-in wastegates which make using them on
turbo conversions so much easier and much more compact. These turbos have
fittings to attach a lubricating oil inlet and outlet supply line, as well
as fittings to attach an engine coolant inlet and outlet supply line, if you
want to use coolant to help keep the turbo bearings cooler.

These turbos would work really great on any 2.2-3.5 liter twin turbo engine
setup whether it be a V-6 or a straight 4 cylinder engine. Or you could use
a single turbo for any 1.0-2.0 liter single turbo engine setup, maybe a
turbocharged Mazda Miata or Harley Davidson?!!!

Please contact me if you have a desire to purchase these turbos from me.
I will sell them to the best offer.

Thank you,
Brent Wiscombe
bwiscombe@msn.com
Mesa, AZ







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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:05:18 -0700
From: "Dave Allison" <dallison@siebel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes - My History and Current Status

Frank,

I don't want to start a sniping contest, but unless the policy you
state below is a new one you've introduced recently, I'll have to simply say
that I disagree with you. I was not charged after the items were shipped. I
was charged well before that time. If you'll remember our phone
conversations, you had told me the items were drop shipped via 2nd day air
from your distibutors 2 days before I received them. I received the last
item on the 12th of April. The credit card was charged sometime near the
31st of March. Unless the items were shipped by UPS 12-day air, I'd have to
say that your policy was not in existence during my order.

I'm not knocking your operation, Frank. I think you and Matt offer
lots of EXPERT ADVICE and GOOD PRICES. My only beef is with the promises
that are made simply to make the sale. I made it crystal clear from the
beginning that I needed the items before a certain date and that if
Accelerated Accessories could not meet that date, I'd prefer to find them
elsewhere. You guys had me over a barrel, telling me a day before I was to
get the items installed that I was basically S.O.L. As a customer, I simply
don't care if the dog died, the tornado struck, or the UPS truck
jack-knifed. I only care that they show up on my doorstep before the date
promised to me. If it weren't for the fact that I would have had to start
from scratch I would have cancelled the entire order. I just want to make
things clear, since you posted the innacuracy below.

Thanks.

Dave


- -----Original Message-----
From: Meyer [mailto:meyer2@erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 5:52 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brakes - My History and Current Status


Dave et.al.
Our policy is to process charges when products are shipped. It takes a week
for shipping from coast to coast.
Frank
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Allison <dallison@siebel.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes - My History and Current Status


> Accelerated Accessories wasted no time taking MY money. The charge
>to my card showed up the day after I ordered and a week before I received a
>single part! Made me a bit nervuous to be honest.
>
> It sounds as if the Pagids are the way to go then. Does anyone know
>how much these run and what part number/type to order?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Dave Allison
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Matthews [mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de]
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 11:55 AM
>>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>>Subject: Re: Team3S: Brakes - My History and Current Status
>>
>>I considered the Pagids but thought they would be too aggressive for the
>>stock rotors.  Not the case?  Please let me know... while Accelerated
>>Accessories was quick to give me a quote on the Abex pads, they don't
>>seem to be interested in taking my money and completing the order.  I
>>can get Pagids locally, I think.
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:06:17 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheels and other brainstorm schtuff, was: Basic brake upgrade

>
>What if some sort of valve system were set up? When the foot is off the
>brake, a second line could pump brake fluid through the caliper via a one
>way valve. step on the brakes, the pump turns off, and the valve closes. Is
>this even possible with ABS, and all the other brake stuff? i guess the
>caliper would have to be drilled for a feed line. Would air entering the
>brake fluid be possible in a closed loop system? I guess bleeding the brakes
>would become harder too.
>
What about using the bleeder valve? It's already there. If you put a line
there leading to a solenoid valve and a pump, you could set it up so that a
remote switch would open the valve and pump brake fluid back to the
reservoir. This would allow fresh fluid to enter the solenoid, and send the
hot fluid back to reservoir to cool off. The driver could activate the
switch on a straight, where the brakes would not be needed.

I suspect the brakes would not function while this was going on, so you'd
have to be careful where and when you activated the switch.

And if you get REALLY clever, you could install a filter arrangement to
clean out all the gunky stuff from the fluid and  remove air bubbles and
contaminants. This would eliminate the need to bleed the brakes -- instead,
just park the car and circulate fluid through the filter for a few minutes.

Omar, you've come up with a great idea! How come nobody ever thought of
this before? After all, hydraulic braking systems have been around since
the beginning of time. And plenty of ultra-high pressure pressure hydraulic
components are available for industrial applications. There must be some
basic reason why this wouldn't work, but I don't see it.

Who's that mechanical engineer on the list? Come help us out here, buddy!

Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!


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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:42:05 EDT
From: MikeVR4@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Stillen/Brembo replacements rotor?

We have the Stillen/Brembo brake kit on one of our cars, and have been pretty
disappointed with the rotors - warp easily, lots of rust.  The calipers can
brake like champs, but rotor warping is getting old.  Does anybody know
offhand what the dimension of the rotors are that Stillen includes with the
kit?  I was researching Porterfield's offerings, but they needed the specs of
the rotor - They said it was a "custom" job...I doubt that.  I can just pull
one and measure it, but if somebody had the info handy I would appreciate it.

As far as racing events/brakes, my dad and I have attended 4(2 with 2 cars)
Porsche Club of America's High Speed Driver Education events, and soon some
Texas Motorsports Club events, both held at Texas World Speedway.  The new
road course is 2.8 mi long, incorporates the NASCAR oval into a high-speed
straight with the true road course actually inside the oval.  We've been
doing lap times of around 2:18 to 2:24, with around 4-5 20 min driving
sessions per day, Sat and Sun.  Drove the car with the stock system our first
event - wrong idea.  Fluid boiled, fading everywhere, and no pad left. 
Upgraded the first car to the Stillen/Brembo system in front, Pagid blue
pads, and the Stillen x-drilled/Metal Matrix pads in the rear, Motul 600
brake fluid.  Excellent braking power from the front Brembos, not much brake
dust from the pads, little to no brake fade, no cooked brake fluid.  The
combination works well on or off the track, just clean the rotors after an
event or you get squeaking.  The car was no longer underbraked, but the
rotors did begin to warp the second day of our next track event.  We had the
rotors resurfaced (0.002" taken off) and didn't think much of it.  However,
it seems now every event the cheap rotors Stillen included with the Brembo
calipers warp. so we're looking for a replacement rotor...If we can ever find
one.  The rear Stillen setup had no problems, but just based on wear it
appears they do VERY little work.

Second car upgraded to Stillen x-drilled rotors/Metal Matrix pads on all four
corners, stainless lines, Motul 600 fluid.  Good braking, nowhere near the
power of the Brembos, but no cracking or warping of rotors, and did boil the
fluid and experience fade the second day (probably due to old unbled fluid). 
A lot more brake dust from the pads than from the Pagid blue, and the Metal
Matrix seem to wear faster than the Pagids on the other car.  The rear setup,
identical to the other car, also seems to do little work slowing the car down.

Bottom line - Stillen/Brembo upgrade is too expensive($2000) for just getting
a good set of calipers, really crappy rotors, and some stainless lines.  But
the calipers work great.  Stillen's stock-sized x-drilled rotors seem to
perform well, with no warping/cracking that others have complained of.  They
do seem a bit pricy.  Pagid blue pads work well on/off track, with little
dust and wear slowly.  Metal Matrix pads work ok, some dust, better than
stock, but really aren't that special.  Motul 600 works great, it's hard to
get it to boil(as long as you remember to bleed them before EVERY event!).

A brake proportioning valve sounds good, I don't think we're really utilizing
much of the improvements made to the rear.  And we are anxious to try out
some sort of brake ducting(Thanks Rich!) to help keep them cool.

Mike Willis
'93 Pearl White VR-4(moonroof, Stillen/Brembo rotor warping mod)

Chuck Willis
'93 Pearl White VR-4(no moonroof, Stillen success story)
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:52:04 +0200
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Team3S: Variable A/R Ratio Turbos

Has anyone looked into installing variable A/R ratio turbos in an S3?
The Aerocharger variable area turbine nozzle (VATN) turbo mentioned in
Corky Bell's "Maximum Boost" sounds awesome, and I don't see why a pair
wouldn't work in our application.  The tricky part seems to be coming up
with electronics to control the vanes, but couldn't a normal boost
controller be adapted to meet this need (becoming a vane controller vs.
a wastegate controller)?  Seems like the same principles are in effect.

I'm also interested to know if anyone has tried turbos with multi-scroll
turbine housings.  A much simpler, if not quite as effective,
alternative to the VATN approach.

Anyone have price info on these turbos?  I'm sure they're expensive, but
like braking systems, if you want to do it right...  :-|

Thanx!
-Jim
- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews

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Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:33:55 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Stillen/Brembo replacements rotor?

Mike,

Take a close look at the 95+ F-body rotors.

I believe that they are the rotors that are used with your brake kit.   I
have not compared them side by side though.

  Yes there is some custom work done.  Holes redrilled, and maybe hub area
resized. But other than that I believe they are identical.
I believe the dimensions are 309mm x 32mm.
> Brad
Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of MikeVR4@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 12:42 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Stillen/Brembo replacements rotor?

We have the Stillen/Brembo brake kit on one of our cars, and have been
pretty
disappointed with the rotors - warp easily, lots of rust.  The calipers can
brake like champs, but rotor warping is getting old.  Does anybody know
offhand what the dimension of the rotors are that Stillen includes with the
kit?  I was researching Porterfield's offerings, but they needed the specs
of
the rotor - They said it was a "custom" job...I doubt that.  I can just pull
one and measure it, but if somebody had the info handy I would appreciate
it.


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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:10:19 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Message Format

It's close to impossible to make the columns line up across the
various platforms, operating systems, and email clients we're using.
The only way that columns can appear lined up on all our machines is
if we all have PCs, all running Windows, and we all start using a
fixed-width font (Windows system font).  It's an exercise in
futility.  Formatted documents (Word, HTML, Acrobat...) stored on
one of our websites is the only practical way to get this data to
line up for all of us.  As soon as we have some more info for a
semi-complete chart, I'll put up a page on the "Team3S"
portion of my website, and forward the page to Eric and Parham
(www.3Si.org and www.3000gt.com).  Anyone who has something to add,
please send your data to Roger Gerl, who has put up a temporary page
for gathering information:
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/3000gt/3s_brakes.html

Thanks to all for starting this thread...  to JackT, and all the
other list contributors--  this is exactly what we admins had in
mind when we formed the Team3S list.  We're really accomplishing
something here...

OT:  BTW, to Errin, and other Netscape users--  upgrade Netscape to
4.6!  It's the first version that has any real security from
internet interlopers...

Forrest
Admin, Team3S

- -----Original Message-----From: Errin Humphrey
<errin@u.washington.edu>


|xwing wrote:
|
|> WHY did that last message show up crappy?  I had all the columns
closely
|> spaced yet in order, not with 30 spaces between words and
scattergrammed
|> all over the place.  Others have had theirs this way too, it is
annoying
|> and a detriment to our list!  Maybe someone can help us on this
to avoid
|> problems in future?  This is not a car topic but does impact on
the
|> quality of list messages.  Sorry to those who think it
unimportant.
|
|One of the more recent versions of Netscape (I use ver. 4.5)
|helps to eliminate this problem.  Also, it might have been because
|your columns were too wide.  I have noticed other people on the
|list also writing with really wide columns which then get cropped
|by either the maillist server and/or my browser.  I never write my
|lines past the "Decrease Indent" button on Netscape's toolbar.
|But I'm not sure if these things totally explain why your post
turned
|out so messy.
|
|--Errin Humphrey











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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:22:43 EDT
From: GC3000GT@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Strange Squeek - HELP!

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:22:18 EDT
Subject: Strange Squeek - HELP!
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Hey Guys,

Well - I still have my car up for sale, and this COULDN'T have happened at a
better time!!!

My car JUST decided to start to give off an annoying squeek this week.  It
only happens when I drive on a bumpy road, although it sounds as if it's
starting to happen more frequently - which indicates the shocks or struts i'm
sure.  However, I just tried lubing them up with a little White Lithium
Grease, and the squeek is still there.  Another side note - when I bounce up
and down on the car, you can hear the shocks, but they don't squeek - neither
fronts or backs.  Now i'm beginning to wonder if it's even the shocks at all
- - i only have 57K on the car.

Any ideas?  I don't want to be giving test drives to potential buyers while
i'm squeeking on down the road!!

Thanks,
Gregg

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:39:47 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Business ethincs!?!? How the heck did it go from brakes to shipping promises!?!

You know, I was going to post something useful, but figured it was a waste
of time.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:45:53 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Business ethincs!?!? How the heck did it go from brakes to shipping promises!?!

At 02:39 PM 4/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>You know, I was going to post something useful, but figured it was a waste
>of time.

Hey! I want to hear what you have to say. Send it to me.

Rich/old poop
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:38:29 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? On Any Issue

You answered your own question.  They are completely out of the picture after taking your hard-earned cash and you drive the car off the lot.  They seem not to care if they ever see you again - only displayed by their superior lousy support they give.  I'm not going to say there aren't some good dealers out there, but in my experience and others from the board, they are VERY FEW and VERY FAR BETWEEN.  Those that do provide assistance, probably are swamped when people find out about them.
- --

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:32:42   Merritt wrote:
>Whilst we are having this marvelous discussion about brakes, the thought
>occurs: Where's Mitsubishi when we really need them? Don't they have any
>kind of tech support for racers?
>
>I remember the glory days of Datsun, when they competed in SCCA club
>racing, Pro rallying, and world championship rallying. Paul Newman drove
>the Bob Sharp Datsun 510 and 240Z cars, and Datsun was a power to be
>reckoned with all over the world. On the pro rally circuit, 75% of the
>field was in Datsun 510s.
>
>And Datsun Competition helped us out greatly. We could buy rallye springs
>and shocks for $15 each, we got a 15% discount at the dealer, and they
>often made parts from the works rally cars available. I got a set of
>African Safari gas struts for about $100, and a 240 Z limited slip for
>about $125. 
>
>So, where's Mitsu? Why isn't someone from Mitsu participating in our
>discussions? Where can we get tech help? Where can we buy factory parts?
>Seems to me they are missing a great opportunity to support a bunch of
>loyal enthusiasts. Anybody know anyone at Mitsubishi? Where's Mr. Murakami?
>He knows EVERYBODY.
>
>Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:34:30 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Montana.

ahh yes. well this weekend's feature is a trip to Montana.  Which will
be getting a speed limit soon, but it doesn't now and thats the only
thing that counts.   I will be in a city called Bozeman.  Anyone know a
good road to really nail it.  Hopefully about 30 miles of
straightaway???  My VR-4 is the one that ran the 13.0 at the salt flats.
a few weekends back.

- --
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:31:44 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brakes - My History ... (Admin message)

Dave,

This stuff MUST be sent privately to the people who this concerns to. It is not
allowed to send
such stuff to the whole list due to our policy.

Thanks for your (and everyones) help !

Regards,
Roger for the Admins


> Frank,
>
>         I don't want to start a sniping contest, but unless the policy you
> state below is a new one you've introduced recently, I'll have to simply say
> that I disagree with you. I was not charged after the items were shipped.


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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:53:19 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's Mitsu? On Any Issue

I'll try to get in contact with them next week as I'm highly interested in the
Lancer EVO IV Mitsu/Brembo setup ! I already spoke with the Tech Rep. from Mitsu
Switzerland but he said that it's not a good idea to be on the list too. Anyway,
he'll always say not to install any boost controller, filter, etc. ... you
understand.

Therefore, I think individuals should be able to get in contact with them and we
can put the helpful information together on the list. Why not call Mitsu and ask
about a contact at RallyArt ?

Later,
Roger
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:31:44 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brakes - My History ... (Admin message)

Dave,

This stuff MUST be sent privately to the people who this concerns to. It is not
allowed to send
such stuff to the whole list due to our policy.

Thanks for your (and everyones) help !

Regards,
Roger for the Admins


> Frank,
>
>         I don't want to start a sniping contest, but unless the policy you
> state below is a new one you've introduced recently, I'll have to simply say
> that I disagree with you. I was not charged after the items were shipped.


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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:57:15 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Business ethincs!?!? (Admin message)

Hey Guys,

We have a good thread here but please don't destroy it by drifting away into
chatting. You can use ICQ for this ! If you want to say something personally ...
write the guy personally. His address is included in the message header.

Thanks for your help !

Regards,
Roger for the Admins

> >You know, I was going to post something useful, but figured it was a waste
> >of time.
>
> Hey! I want to hear what you have to say. Send it to me.
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:01:02 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stillen/Brembo replacements rotor?

Here's the info on the Stillen setup :

http://stillen.com/Stillen%20Folder/Stillen%20Docs/mit_dodgebrembo.html

> I believe the dimensions are 309mm x 32mm.

// Roger
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:44:02 -0700
From: lehir@genesiscom.ch (Genesiscon Lehir)
Subject: Team3S: FWIW.Stillen Open House

Just FYI...

Stillen has an Open House sale this Week-End.

You can still contact them, and ask them about prices.

Your best bet would be to contact Adam Hume, ext 136...and be SURE
to tell him that you're on an Internet Car Club (if everything else fails,
tell him that you're on the Twinturbo.net }:-]

And yup, they HAVE parts for the 3S....

Henri
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:46:27 -0700
From: lehir@genesiscom.ch (Genesiscon Lehir)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking-1999

So, NONE of you guys ever tried to have the STOCK rotors cryo'ed, to see if
they would warp or not......

as a $50 option, I'd try this one first (if it were available handily in
Switzerland)

Henri

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:48:04 -0700
From: lehir@genesiscom.ch (Genesiscon Lehir)
Subject: Team3S: Apexi Multichecker

Hi,

Any of you ever installed an Apexi Multichecker in a 3S ??

Turns out that I have a Techtom MDM-100 AND an Apexi in my Z (redundant
test), and I
was wondering if it was worth the trouble to install ii in the RT/TT

Best

Henri

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:06:49 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake List

Check out more information (thanks Ken !) and some links for the brakes I've
just put on the page :

> http://homepage.swissonline.ch/3000gt/3s_brakes.html
 
Please let me know your input on that (prices, sizes, etc.) and I'll put it on.

Regards,
Roger
 
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:10:01 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Apexi Multichecker

> Any of you ever installed an Apexi Multichecker in a 3S ??
>
> Turns out that I have a Techtom MDM-100 AND an Apexi in my Z (redundant
> test), and I was wondering if it was worth the trouble to install ii in
> the RT/TT

Unfortunately, the Techtom nor the Apexi stuff does not work with our ECU :(
Maybe there is a new one available but I was told that they will not to make it
available for our cars.

Let us know if you have a good source of information :)

Salue,
Roger

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:05:58 -0400
From: "Bill Miller" <millebi@kw.igs.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheels and other brainstorm schtuff, was: Basic  brake upgrade

Just to throw in my $.02 worth... The only problem I see with recirculating the fluid
would be that it would melt the reservoir since it is only plastic. The fluid would have
to be cooled very well before it arrived at the reservoir.

There is potential in the forced air cooling in my opinion. How about using the radiator
fans and some ducts to redirect the air over to the brakes. The fans are already
installed and there may be enough room for a duct. All that would be required is puting
an override switch on the fan so that it runs all the time.

Bill

On 22 Apr 99, at 11:06, Merritt wrote:

> What about using the bleeder valve? It's already there. If you put a line
> there leading to a solenoid valve and a pump, you could set it up so that
> a remote switch would open the valve and pump brake fluid back to the
> reservoir. This would allow fresh fluid to enter the solenoid, and send
> the hot fluid back to reservoir to cool off. The driver could activate the
> switch on a straight, where the brakes would not be needed.
>
> Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:43:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fiberglass hoods

Hi guys,
  Don't post much but most know me from Oct8N'98 ...
anyhow, I was checking US Body Source site
<http://www.techhoods.com> and was wondering if anyone
has contacted them about making a custom hood better
than the GT-alley hoods.  They are located in Fl and
guys like Bob Fontana and Xann or others might know of
them????  I also need to know how good are they since
I am kinda interested in getting a custom hood for my
Jeep in the near future.  Thanx all. 

===
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:54:46 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking-1999

At 12:46 PM 4/22/99 -0700, you wrote:
>So, NONE of you guys ever tried to have the STOCK rotors cryo'ed, to see if
>they would warp or not......
>
I spoke with someone at Performance Friction today, and he agrees.

He said he doesn't trust slotted or drilled rotors, and the only treatment
he's heard of that actually works is having them cryogenically treated. He
says stock rotors will work fine, if you can just keep them from heating up
too much.

BTW, I'm getting my money back from PowerSlot (well, my dealer, Foreign
Auto Tech, anyway), and will be buying new stock rotors.

Rich/old poop/Somebody STOP me!
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:12:02 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheels and other brainstorm schtuff, was: Basic  brake upgrade

At 08:05 PM 4/22/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Just to throw in my $.02 worth... The only problem I see with
recirculating the fluid
>would be that it would melt the reservoir since it is only plastic. The
fluid would have
>to be cooled very well before it arrived at the reservoir.

That's certainly possible. Especially if the fluid is being recirculated on
a regular basis, so it doesn't have a chance to get too hot.
>
>There is potential in the forced air cooling in my opinion. How about
using the radiator
>fans and some ducts to redirect the air over to the brakes. The fans are
already
>installed and there may be enough room for a duct. All that would be
required is puting
>an override switch on the fan so that it runs all the time.

I dunno about this one. Seems like it might be easier to go buy some small
2 in. fans and put one on each hose to a rotor.

Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:52:39 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Montana.

Hi Andrew;

I understand there is no speed limit, but tickets are issued for reckless,dangerous or
driving at risk. So be sure you have no one around when you decide to nail it.

Best

Darc

Andrew Brilliant wrote:

> ahh yes. well this weekend's feature is a trip to Montana.  Which will
> be getting a speed limit soon, but it doesn't now and thats the only
> thing that counts.   I will be in a city called Bozeman.  Anyone know a
> good road to really nail it.  Hopefully about 30 miles of
> straightaway???  My VR-4 is the one that ran the 13.0 at the salt flats.
> a few weekends back.
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:18:33 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Montana.

>I understand there is no speed limit, but tickets are issued for
reckless,dangerous or
>driving at risk. So be sure you have no one around when you decide to nail
it.

>> ahh yes. well this weekend's feature is a trip to Montana.  Which will
>> be getting a speed limit soon, but it doesn't now and thats the only
>> thing that counts.   I will be in a city called Bozeman.  Anyone know a
>> good road to really nail it.  Hopefully about 30 miles of
>> straightaway>> --



The highway patrol can ticket you if you exceed what they consider
"reasonable and prudent " ---- basically if you go 85 or so you'll get a
ticket. That's why they changed the law --- to vague.

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:16:26 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Intake Plenum

Hey everyone, I am considering making several upper intake plenums for the
3000 VR4.

It will look similar to the IMP manifold, and I am sure performance gains
will be similar (IMP claims 30hp FWIW)

Things I hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks, weight savings,
and the ability to change the spark plugs w/out removing the plenum.

The piece will be polished aluminum, use all the stock brackets and hardware
with the exception of the EGR.

If I can sell 10 of these manifolds, I am sure I can produce them for around
500.00-550.00 each shipped to your door. (US shipping Only) This will
include  new gaskets, new stainless cap screws and lock washers, everything
you would need to install.

How many vacuum ports would be needed?  Stock has two small ones and two
large ones if I am not mistaken.

I was thinking of the two large ones, and in addition have 4 small ports.
Does this sound like plenty?

An EGR block off plate would be needed to do the install.  I may or may not
add this piece in the kit.

Let me know privately if you are interested.  I do not have pictures yet,
but will have them in the next couple of weeks. Just as soon as I am
finished with the prototype.

> Brad
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:05:42 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum

Great !

Let's keep this here on the list as some points my be discussed with the input
from others.

> Things I hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks, weight savings,
> and the ability to change the spark plugs w/out removing the plenum.

The last one sounds very, very interesting as I just don't know how this should
work. The only way is to move it more forward but then the runner become
shorter. This may reduce torque but also increase response and power in the top
end. IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end torque.

> The piece will be polished aluminum, use all the stock brackets and hardware
> with the exception of the EGR.

Does this mean that you remove the EGR path in the manifold ? If so, why not
only add two threads for the EGR pipe that can simply be connected and therefore
will be blocked off due to this. WOuld this work ?

> If I can sell 10 of these manifolds, I am sure I can produce them for around
> 500.00-550.00 each shipped to your door. (US shipping Only)

Argh, I just can imagine how much shipping cost would be for Europe :(

> How many vacuum ports would be needed?  Stock has two small ones and two
> large ones if I am not mistaken.

This is what I would need :

- - Boost controller (s)
- - Boost meter (s)
- - VPC pressure reading (s)
- - Fuel pressure (s)
- - BOV (s)
- - VPC (l)
- - two stock ones for this and that (l)

Also it would be nice to have to positions where a spray jet can be mounted. The
position should be designed that both jets together cover the whole runner area
evenly (yes, direct water/alcohol injection.

Maybe also a design that allows somebody to drill two or three holes to add
additional injectors (I personally don't like this) and a nitrous wet/dry
system.

Mikael had the idea of turning the TB to the other side and I already thought of
a design with two TBs on each side. The last one could be more easily to be
designed as the shape could be mirrored. The idea behind this is to provide as
short as possible IC piping with as less bends as possible. To be honest, to
make the thing absolutely perfect the engine must be turned ... and this is no
option to me :(

Any more ideas ??

For the price, I think $500 (w/o shipping) should be the maximum. Of course this
depends on how much additional work you'll have with the more ideas that come :)
BTW, for me also a plenum with prepared spots for additional threads to drill
myself would be ok too.

Thanks in advance,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:32:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: BDLSOO7@webtv.net (chris hill)
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum

great!
i've been waiting for someone to do something like this. but i think
that most people would rather vote to have extra hp, and increased power
rather than the ease of changing the plugs without plenium removal, it
only takes me about an hour to change my plugs, so the more power ,the
better. you've got a great idea,it's a means by which the 3si owner can
own a unique piece of equipment that's more versatile, and is taylor
made for our cars additional needs, (modifaction wise). i think rogers
on the right track with his suggestions, so good luck.
          may the force be with you!
                                                  chris hill
                                                    91 vr4

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:38:59 -0400
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum

Short runners would be fine with me.  I think all of the 1/4 mile racers
would agree.  Show us the goods Brad....  I would be interested in one.

Matt
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum


>Great !
>
>Let's keep this here on the list as some points my be discussed with the
input
>from others.
>
>> Things I hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks, weight
savings,
>> and the ability to change the spark plugs w/out removing the plenum.
>
>The last one sounds very, very interesting as I just don't know how this
should
>work. The only way is to move it more forward but then the runner become
>shorter. This may reduce torque but also increase response and power in the
top
>end. IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end torque.
>
>> The piece will be polished aluminum, use all the stock brackets and
hardware
>> with the exception of the EGR.
>
>Does this mean that you remove the EGR path in the manifold ? If so, why
not
>only add two threads for the EGR pipe that can simply be connected and
therefore
>will be blocked off due to this. WOuld this work ?
>
>> If I can sell 10 of these manifolds, I am sure I can produce them for
around
>> 500.00-550.00 each shipped to your door. (US shipping Only)
>
>Argh, I just can imagine how much shipping cost would be for Europe :(
>
>> How many vacuum ports would be needed?  Stock has two small ones and two
>> large ones if I am not mistaken.
>
>This is what I would need :
>
>- Boost controller (s)
>- Boost meter (s)
>- VPC pressure reading (s)
>- Fuel pressure (s)
>- BOV (s)
>- VPC (l)
>- two stock ones for this and that (l)
>
>Also it would be nice to have to positions where a spray jet can be
mounted. The
>position should be designed that both jets together cover the whole runner
area
>evenly (yes, direct water/alcohol injection.
>
>Maybe also a design that allows somebody to drill two or three holes to add
>additional injectors (I personally don't like this) and a nitrous wet/dry
>system.
>
>Mikael had the idea of turning the TB to the other side and I already
thought of
>a design with two TBs on each side. The last one could be more easily to be
>designed as the shape could be mirrored. The idea behind this is to provide
as
>short as possible IC piping with as less bends as possible. To be honest,
to
>make the thing absolutely perfect the engine must be turned ... and this is
no
>option to me :(
>
>Any more ideas ??
>
>For the price, I think $500 (w/o shipping) should be the maximum. Of course
this
>depends on how much additional work you'll have with the more ideas that
come :)
>BTW, for me also a plenum with prepared spots for additional threads to
drill
>myself would be ok too.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Roger
>93'3000GT TT
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:50:05 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Injectors

Hi,

Does anyone know if the 550cc Nipondenso Injectors for the 88-91 Mazda RX7 will fit a VR4??

Or if anyone have a set of used RC560 to sell, please email me PRIVATELY!

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:02:11 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum

To get an idea how it could look like if the TB was turned 180 deg you can look at a picture on my site. http://www.3000gt.nu Go to "Misc Pics" and look at the last picture on that side.

It show a really extreme car/engine but the idea isn't bad. It will shorten the intercooler pipes allot especially with a front mount single intercooler.

I don't have any information about who have built this car but it's clear that it's right hand drive so I guess it's a japanese project. I wonder what engine management system they use, it's a 94+ car and they don't have the MAS so they must have done something interesting.

/Mikael


- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>

>Mikael had the idea of turning the TB to the other side and I already thought of a design with two TBs on each side.

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:23:01 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum

Roger,

You are correct on the runner length.   I am hoping to only reduce the
length about 1" or so.  I am not sure how well this will work, however I am
going to try.

I will include a small velocity stack on the inlet of the runners.
(protruding into the tank about 1/4")  The runner diameter will be 1 3/4"
(44mm)   I am hoping the velocity stack and smoother tubes will keep the
torque range similar to the stock manifold.
I will be port matching the upper piece to the gasket., maybe leave it a
little smaller than the gasket and let the end used finish it to the
individual car.

My plenum will also taper, thus keeping the velocity up.  Any ideas/thoughts
on this would be appreciated.  Inlet will  be 2.75", and downsize to 2
(tube) Throttle body is about 2.5"
8 ports may be hard to do.  I had forgotten about the BOV though.  I will do
what I can.

To keep the price down, I need a better source for the tubing.  I am paying
way too much for tubing.  I hope to sell about 10 units and get a decent
break on the price of tubing. I have not checked the possibility of this yet
though.

Ceramic coating may be an option also. Cost should not exceed about 150.00
for the manifold.

As for the EGR. My reason to remove it is to get the heat away from the
manifold.  I was planning on using the actual valve area for the additional
vacuum ports (to keep them out of site and clean looking)

Spray mounts may be difficult.  Make me a drawing so I can see what you
mean.
> Brad
Check out my home page:   http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


Let's keep this here on the list as some points my be discussed with the
input
from others.

> Things I hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks, weight
savings,
> and the ability to change the spark plugs w/out removing the plenum.

The last one sounds very, very interesting as I just don't know how this
should
work. The only way is to move it more forward but then the runner become
shorter. This may reduce torque but also increase response and power in the
top
end. IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end torque.

> The piece will be polished aluminum, use all the stock brackets and
hardware
> with the exception of the EGR.

Does this mean that you remove the EGR path in the manifold ? If so, why not
only add two threads for the EGR pipe that can simply be connected and
therefore
will be blocked off due to this. WOuld this work ?

> If I can sell 10 of these manifolds, I am sure I can produce them for
around
> 500.00-550.00 each shipped to your door. (US shipping Only)

Argh, I just can imagine how much shipping cost would be for Europe :(

> How many vacuum ports would be needed?  Stock has two small ones and two
> large ones if I am not mistaken.

This is what I would need :

- - Boost controller (s)
- - Boost meter (s)
- - VPC pressure reading (s)
- - Fuel pressure (s)
- - BOV (s)
- - VPC (l)
- - two stock ones for this and that (l)

Also it would be nice to have to positions where a spray jet can be mounted.
The
position should be designed that both jets together cover the whole runner
area
evenly (yes, direct water/alcohol injection.

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:23:03 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum

I am going to be the first to shoot this idea down.

Reasons:

Hood clearance. Our plenum almost touches anyhow.
Unless you had two throttle bodies, you would not reduce the intake tubing.
TO move the throttle body to the left, you would have to move the y-pipe to
the right.  This would require extreme modifications that I am sure none of
us want to do.

Now if I were to do something radical I might do something like the 300z TT.
Dual throttle bodies where the opposite bank turbo feeds the inlet. (keeping
the engine intake balanced)  Hood clearance is an issue here also.

> Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Mikael Åkesson
Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 9:02 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum

To get an idea how it could look like if the TB was turned 180 deg you can
look at a picture on my site. http://www.3000gt.nu Go to "Misc Pics" and
look at the last picture on that side.

It show a really extreme car/engine but the idea isn't bad. It will shorten
the intercooler pipes allot especially with a front mount single
intercooler.

I don't have any information about who have built this car but it's clear
that it's right hand drive so I guess it's a japanese project. I wonder what
engine management system they use, it's a 94+ car and they don't have the
MAS so they must have done something interesting.

/Mikael


- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>

>Mikael had the idea of turning the TB to the other side and I already
thought of a design with two TBs on each side.

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:37:50 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum

> The last one sounds very, very interesting as I just don't know
> how this should
> work. The only way is to move it more forward but then the runner become
> shorter. This may reduce torque but also increase response and
> power in the top
> end. IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end torque.

I was thinking about this one a bit, and wondered why mitsu didn't put the
DOHC NA plenum on the turbo? It's basically the only thing going for us
that's slightly better then turbo. Variable intake runner length. the little
"throttle plates" are closed below 3k rpm, forcing the air to take a longer
route, but then open above 3k. low end torque plus higher end power. there
must be some reason they didn't do this with turbos.. any ideas? too
complicated, or maybe it was an air restriction in pressurized intake
systems? The air would try and go both ways, cancelling out the effects?

Omar


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