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1999 Volume 01 : Number
160
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:32:42 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Where's Mitsu?
Whilst we are having this marvelous discussion
about brakes, the thought
occurs: Where's Mitsubishi when we really need
them? Don't they have any
kind of tech support for racers?
I remember
the glory days of Datsun, when they competed in SCCA club
racing, Pro
rallying, and world championship rallying. Paul Newman drove
the Bob Sharp
Datsun 510 and 240Z cars, and Datsun was a power to be
reckoned with all over
the world. On the pro rally circuit, 75% of the
field was in Datsun 510s.
And Datsun Competition helped us out greatly. We could buy rallye
springs
and shocks for $15 each, we got a 15% discount at the dealer, and
they
often made parts from the works rally cars available. I got a set
of
African Safari gas struts for about $100, and a 240 Z limited slip
for
about $125.
So, where's Mitsu? Why isn't someone from Mitsu
participating in our
discussions? Where can we get tech help? Where can we
buy factory parts?
Seems to me they are missing a great opportunity to
support a bunch of
loyal enthusiasts. Anybody know anyone at Mitsubishi?
Where's Mr. Murakami?
He knows EVERYBODY.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:33:17 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Fuel "economy"
Irving...
My fuel system mods decreased
my in town mpg by roughly a third (from 15 mpg
down to 10 mpg). BUT, I'm
still running rich at the top end AND I've been
driving almost constant WOT
since I finished (well, I'm not finished, yet).
Considering I'm running 25%
104 octane racing fuel, which costs $4.75 a
gallon, the whole mods program
has gotten rather expensive. Then again, this
is NOT my daily
driver.
Looking forward...Chris
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
(w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC
560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU
upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore
8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test
pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive
springs)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Irving & Ana Jimenez
[mailto:lt1power@crystal.palace.net]
Sent:
Wednesday, April 21, 1999 6:50 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 550cc injectors on a 96VR4
<snip>
Question
:
What kind of fuel mileage ( M.P.G. ) you guys getting with the
550cc
Injectors ?
Irving
96 VR4
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:07:59 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheels
and other brainstorm schtuff, was: Basic brake upgrade
> I've always
wondered about this myself. Seems like the brake
> fluid stays in
>
the calipers, where it gets cooked constantly, until it turns
> black and
has
> to be bled off. Why can't brake fluid be circulated or
cooled?
> >
What if some sort of valve system were set up? When
the foot is off the
brake, a second line could pump brake fluid through the
caliper via a one
way valve. step on the brakes, the pump turns off, and the
valve closes. Is
this even possible with ABS, and all the other brake stuff?
i guess the
caliper would have to be drilled for a feed line. Would air
entering the
brake fluid be possible in a closed loop system? I guess
bleeding the brakes
would become harder too.
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:19:04 -0700
From: "Brent W" <bwiscombe@email.msn.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Twin Turbo Chargers For Sale from 3000GT VR-4
Hello,
I have
for sale the two turbos that came on the factory twin turbo 3.0 liter
V-6
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (the brother to the Dodge Stealth). I only have
the
turbos themselves without any other items. These are the TDO4
series
turbochargers by Mitsubishi.
These two turbos were working
perfectly when removed prior to converting the
car into a race car. The car
only had about 15,000 miles on it at the time
when the turbos were removed
for the conversion, so these turbos are gently
used. These turbos have the
built-in wastegates which make using them on
turbo conversions so much easier
and much more compact. These turbos have
fittings to attach a lubricating oil
inlet and outlet supply line, as well
as fittings to attach an engine coolant
inlet and outlet supply line, if you
want to use coolant to help keep the
turbo bearings cooler.
These turbos would work really great on any
2.2-3.5 liter twin turbo engine
setup whether it be a V-6 or a straight 4
cylinder engine. Or you could use
a single turbo for any 1.0-2.0 liter single
turbo engine setup, maybe a
turbocharged Mazda Miata or Harley
Davidson?!!!
Please contact me if you have a desire to purchase these
turbos from me.
I will sell them to the best offer.
Thank
you,
Brent Wiscombe
bwiscombe@msn.com
Mesa,
AZ
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:05:18 -0700
From: "Dave Allison" <dallison@siebel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Brakes - My History and Current Status
Frank,
I don't want
to start a sniping contest, but unless the policy you
state below is a new
one you've introduced recently, I'll have to simply say
that I disagree with
you. I was not charged after the items were shipped. I
was charged well
before that time. If you'll remember our phone
conversations, you had told me
the items were drop shipped via 2nd day air
from your distibutors 2 days
before I received them. I received the last
item on the 12th of April. The
credit card was charged sometime near the
31st of March. Unless the items
were shipped by UPS 12-day air, I'd have to
say that your policy was not in
existence during my order.
I'm not knocking your operation, Frank. I
think you and Matt offer
lots of EXPERT ADVICE and GOOD PRICES. My only beef
is with the promises
that are made simply to make the sale. I made it crystal
clear from the
beginning that I needed the items before a certain date and
that if
Accelerated Accessories could not meet that date, I'd prefer to find
them
elsewhere. You guys had me over a barrel, telling me a day before I was
to
get the items installed that I was basically S.O.L. As a customer, I
simply
don't care if the dog died, the tornado struck, or the UPS
truck
jack-knifed. I only care that they show up on my doorstep before the
date
promised to me. If it weren't for the fact that I would have had to
start
from scratch I would have cancelled the entire order. I just want to
make
things clear, since you posted the innacuracy below.
Thanks.
Dave
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Meyer [mailto:meyer2@erols.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, April 21, 1999 5:52 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Brakes - My History and Current Status
Dave et.al.
Our
policy is to process charges when products are shipped. It takes a week
for
shipping from coast to coast.
Frank
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Allison <dallison@siebel.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, April 21, 1999 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes - My History
and Current Status
> Accelerated Accessories wasted no time taking
MY money. The charge
>to my card showed up the day after I ordered and a
week before I received a
>single part! Made me a bit nervuous to be
honest.
>
> It sounds as if the Pagids are the way to go then. Does
anyone know
>how much these run and what part number/type to
order?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Dave
Allison
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Matthews
[mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de]
>>Sent:
Wednesday, April 21, 1999 11:55 AM
>>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Brakes - My History and Current Status
>>
>>I
considered the Pagids but thought they would be too aggressive for
the
>>stock rotors. Not the case? Please let me know...
while Accelerated
>>Accessories was quick to give me a quote on the
Abex pads, they don't
>>seem to be interested in taking my money and
completing the order. I
>>can get Pagids locally, I
think.
>
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:06:17 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Wheels and other brainstorm schtuff, was: Basic brake
upgrade
>
>What if some sort of valve system were set up? When
the foot is off the
>brake, a second line could pump brake fluid through
the caliper via a one
>way valve. step on the brakes, the pump turns off,
and the valve closes. Is
>this even possible with ABS, and all the other
brake stuff? i guess the
>caliper would have to be drilled for a feed
line. Would air entering the
>brake fluid be possible in a closed loop
system? I guess bleeding the brakes
>would become harder
too.
>
What about using the bleeder valve? It's already there. If you
put a line
there leading to a solenoid valve and a pump, you could set it up
so that a
remote switch would open the valve and pump brake fluid back to
the
reservoir. This would allow fresh fluid to enter the solenoid, and send
the
hot fluid back to reservoir to cool off. The driver could activate
the
switch on a straight, where the brakes would not be needed.
I
suspect the brakes would not function while this was going on, so you'd
have
to be careful where and when you activated the switch.
And if you get
REALLY clever, you could install a filter arrangement to
clean out all the
gunky stuff from the fluid and remove air bubbles and
contaminants.
This would eliminate the need to bleed the brakes -- instead,
just park the
car and circulate fluid through the filter for a few minutes.
Omar,
you've come up with a great idea! How come nobody ever thought of
this
before? After all, hydraulic braking systems have been around since
the
beginning of time. And plenty of ultra-high pressure pressure
hydraulic
components are available for industrial applications. There must be
some
basic reason why this wouldn't work, but I don't see it.
Who's
that mechanical engineer on the list? Come help us out here,
buddy!
Rich/old poop/somebody stop me!
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:42:05 EDT
From: MikeVR4@aol.com
Subject: Team3S:
Stillen/Brembo replacements rotor?
We have the Stillen/Brembo brake kit
on one of our cars, and have been pretty
disappointed with the rotors - warp
easily, lots of rust. The calipers can
brake like champs, but rotor
warping is getting old. Does anybody know
offhand what the dimension
of the rotors are that Stillen includes with the
kit? I was
researching Porterfield's offerings, but they needed the specs of
the rotor
- They said it was a "custom" job...I doubt that. I can just pull
one
and measure it, but if somebody had the info handy I would appreciate
it.
As far as racing events/brakes, my dad and I have attended 4(2 with 2
cars)
Porsche Club of America's High Speed Driver Education events, and soon
some
Texas Motorsports Club events, both held at Texas World Speedway.
The new
road course is 2.8 mi long, incorporates the NASCAR oval into a
high-speed
straight with the true road course actually inside the
oval. We've been
doing lap times of around 2:18 to 2:24, with around
4-5 20 min driving
sessions per day, Sat and Sun. Drove the car with
the stock system our first
event - wrong idea. Fluid boiled, fading
everywhere, and no pad left.
Upgraded the first car to the
Stillen/Brembo system in front, Pagid blue
pads, and the Stillen
x-drilled/Metal Matrix pads in the rear, Motul 600
brake fluid.
Excellent braking power from the front Brembos, not much brake
dust from the
pads, little to no brake fade, no cooked brake fluid. The
combination
works well on or off the track, just clean the rotors after an
event or you
get squeaking. The car was no longer underbraked, but the
rotors did
begin to warp the second day of our next track event. We had the
rotors resurfaced (0.002" taken off) and didn't think much of it.
However,
it seems now every event the cheap rotors Stillen included with the
Brembo
calipers warp. so we're looking for a replacement rotor...If we can
ever find
one. The rear Stillen setup had no problems, but just based
on wear it
appears they do VERY little work.
Second car upgraded to
Stillen x-drilled rotors/Metal Matrix pads on all four
corners, stainless
lines, Motul 600 fluid. Good braking, nowhere near the
power of the
Brembos, but no cracking or warping of rotors, and did boil the
fluid and
experience fade the second day (probably due to old unbled fluid).
A
lot more brake dust from the pads than from the Pagid blue, and the Metal
Matrix seem to wear faster than the Pagids on the other car. The rear
setup,
identical to the other car, also seems to do little work slowing the
car down.
Bottom line - Stillen/Brembo upgrade is too expensive($2000)
for just getting
a good set of calipers, really crappy rotors, and some
stainless lines. But
the calipers work great. Stillen's
stock-sized x-drilled rotors seem to
perform well, with no warping/cracking
that others have complained of. They
do seem a bit pricy. Pagid
blue pads work well on/off track, with little
dust and wear slowly.
Metal Matrix pads work ok, some dust, better than
stock, but really aren't
that special. Motul 600 works great, it's hard to
get it to boil(as
long as you remember to bleed them before EVERY event!).
A brake
proportioning valve sounds good, I don't think we're really utilizing
much
of the improvements made to the rear. And we are anxious to try out
some sort of brake ducting(Thanks Rich!) to help keep them cool.
Mike
Willis
'93 Pearl White VR-4(moonroof, Stillen/Brembo rotor warping
mod)
Chuck Willis
'93 Pearl White VR-4(no moonroof, Stillen success
story)
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:52:04 +0200
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Team3S: Variable A/R Ratio Turbos
Has anyone looked into installing
variable A/R ratio turbos in an S3?
The Aerocharger variable area turbine
nozzle (VATN) turbo mentioned in
Corky Bell's "Maximum Boost" sounds awesome,
and I don't see why a pair
wouldn't work in our application. The tricky
part seems to be coming up
with electronics to control the vanes, but
couldn't a normal boost
controller be adapted to meet this need (becoming a
vane controller vs.
a wastegate controller)? Seems like the same
principles are in effect.
I'm also interested to know if anyone has tried
turbos with multi-scroll
turbine housings. A much simpler, if not quite
as effective,
alternative to the VATN approach.
Anyone have price info
on these turbos? I'm sure they're expensive, but
like braking systems,
if you want to do it right... :-|
Thanx!
-Jim
- --
Jim
Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de
(64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
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Adjustable Active
Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0
bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off
Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix
brake pads, custom braided brake lines
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Speed: 168mph
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:33:55 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Stillen/Brembo replacements rotor?
Mike,
Take a close
look at the 95+ F-body rotors.
I believe that they are the rotors that
are used with your brake kit. I
have not compared them side by
side though.
Yes there is some custom work done. Holes
redrilled, and maybe hub area
resized. But other than that I believe they are
identical.
I believe the dimensions are 309mm x 32mm.
> Brad
Check
out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
>
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]
On Behalf Of MikeVR4@aol.com
Sent:
Thursday, April 22, 1999 12:42 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Stillen/Brembo replacements rotor?
We have the Stillen/Brembo
brake kit on one of our cars, and have been
pretty
disappointed with the
rotors - warp easily, lots of rust. The calipers can
brake like champs,
but rotor warping is getting old. Does anybody know
offhand what the
dimension of the rotors are that Stillen includes with the
kit? I was
researching Porterfield's offerings, but they needed the specs
of
the
rotor - They said it was a "custom" job...I doubt that. I can just
pull
one and measure it, but if somebody had the info handy I would
appreciate
it.
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:10:19 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Message Format
It's close to impossible to make the columns line
up across the
various platforms, operating systems, and email clients we're
using.
The only way that columns can appear lined up on all our machines
is
if we all have PCs, all running Windows, and we all start using
a
fixed-width font (Windows system font). It's an exercise
in
futility. Formatted documents (Word, HTML, Acrobat...) stored
on
one of our websites is the only practical way to get this data to
line
up for all of us. As soon as we have some more info for a
semi-complete
chart, I'll put up a page on the "Team3S"
portion of my website, and forward
the page to Eric and Parham
(www.3Si.org and
www.3000gt.com). Anyone who has
something to add,
please send your data to Roger Gerl, who has put up a
temporary page
for gathering information:
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/3000gt/3s_brakes.html
Thanks
to all for starting this thread... to JackT, and all the
other list
contributors-- this is exactly what we admins had in
mind when we
formed the Team3S list. We're really accomplishing
something
here...
OT: BTW, to Errin, and other Netscape users-- upgrade
Netscape to
4.6! It's the first version that has any real security
from
internet interlopers...
Forrest
Admin, Team3S
-
-----Original Message-----From: Errin Humphrey
<errin@u.washington.edu>
|xwing
wrote:
|
|> WHY did that last message show up crappy? I had all
the columns
closely
|> spaced yet in order, not with 30 spaces between
words and
scattergrammed
|> all over the place. Others have had
theirs this way too, it is
annoying
|> and a detriment to our
list! Maybe someone can help us on this
to avoid
|> problems in
future? This is not a car topic but does impact on
the
|> quality
of list messages. Sorry to those who think it
unimportant.
|
|One
of the more recent versions of Netscape (I use ver. 4.5)
|helps to eliminate
this problem. Also, it might have been because
|your columns were too
wide. I have noticed other people on the
|list also writing with really
wide columns which then get cropped
|by either the maillist server and/or my
browser. I never write my
|lines past the "Decrease Indent" button on
Netscape's toolbar.
|But I'm not sure if these things totally explain why
your post
turned
|out so messy.
|
|--Errin
Humphrey
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:22:43 EDT
From: GC3000GT@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Strange
Squeek - HELP!
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Subject: Strange Squeek - HELP!
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Hey Guys,
Well
- I still have my car up for sale, and this COULDN'T have happened at a
better time!!!
My car JUST decided to start to give off an annoying
squeek this week. It
only happens when I drive on a bumpy road,
although it sounds as if it's
starting to happen more frequently - which
indicates the shocks or struts i'm
sure. However, I just tried lubing
them up with a little White Lithium
Grease, and the squeek is still
there. Another side note - when I bounce up
and down on the car, you
can hear the shocks, but they don't squeek - neither
fronts or backs.
Now i'm beginning to wonder if it's even the shocks at all
- - i only have
57K on the car.
Any ideas? I don't want to be giving test drives to
potential buyers while
i'm squeeking on down the
road!!
Thanks,
Gregg
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:39:47 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Business ethincs!?!? How the heck did it go from brakes to shipping
promises!?!
You know, I was going to post something useful, but figured
it was a waste
of time.
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:45:53 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Business ethincs!?!? How the heck did it go from brakes to
shipping promises!?!
At 02:39 PM 4/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>You
know, I was going to post something useful, but figured it was a waste
>of
time.
Hey! I want to hear what you have to say. Send it to
me.
Rich/old poop
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:38:29 -0700
From: "Terry Swift" <tlswift@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Where's Mitsu? On Any Issue
You answered your own question.
They are completely out of the picture after taking your hard-earned cash and
you drive the car off the lot. They seem not to care if they ever see you
again - only displayed by their superior lousy support they give. I'm not
going to say there aren't some good dealers out there, but in my experience and
others from the board, they are VERY FEW and VERY FAR BETWEEN. Those that
do provide assistance, probably are swamped when people find out about
them.
- --
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:32:42 Merritt
wrote:
>Whilst we are having this marvelous discussion about brakes, the
thought
>occurs: Where's Mitsubishi when we really need them? Don't they
have any
>kind of tech support for racers?
>
>I remember the
glory days of Datsun, when they competed in SCCA club
>racing, Pro
rallying, and world championship rallying. Paul Newman drove
>the Bob
Sharp Datsun 510 and 240Z cars, and Datsun was a power to be
>reckoned
with all over the world. On the pro rally circuit, 75% of the
>field was
in Datsun 510s.
>
>And Datsun Competition helped us out greatly. We
could buy rallye springs
>and shocks for $15 each, we got a 15% discount
at the dealer, and they
>often made parts from the works rally cars
available. I got a set of
>African Safari gas struts for about $100, and a
240 Z limited slip for
>about $125.
>
>So, where's
Mitsu? Why isn't someone from Mitsu participating in our
>discussions?
Where can we get tech help? Where can we buy factory parts?
>Seems to me
they are missing a great opportunity to support a bunch of
>loyal
enthusiasts. Anybody know anyone at Mitsubishi? Where's Mr. Murakami?
>He
knows EVERYBODY.
>
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:34:30 -0600
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Montana.
ahh yes. well this weekend's feature is a trip to
Montana. Which will
be getting a speed limit soon, but it doesn't now
and thats the only
thing that counts. I will be in a city called
Bozeman. Anyone know a
good road to really nail it. Hopefully
about 30 miles of
straightaway??? My VR-4 is the one that ran the 13.0
at the salt flats.
a few weekends back.
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:31:44 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Brakes - My History ... (Admin message)
Dave,
This stuff
MUST be sent privately to the people who this concerns to. It is not
allowed
to send
such stuff to the whole list due to our policy.
Thanks for
your (and everyones) help !
Regards,
Roger for the
Admins
> Frank,
>
> I don't want to start a
sniping contest, but unless the policy you
> state below is a new one
you've introduced recently, I'll have to simply say
> that I disagree with
you. I was not charged after the items were shipped.
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:53:19 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Where's Mitsu? On Any Issue
I'll try to get in contact with them
next week as I'm highly interested in the
Lancer EVO IV Mitsu/Brembo setup !
I already spoke with the Tech Rep. from Mitsu
Switzerland but he said that
it's not a good idea to be on the list too. Anyway,
he'll always say not to
install any boost controller, filter, etc. ...
you
understand.
Therefore, I think individuals should be able to get
in contact with them and we
can put the helpful information together on the
list. Why not call Mitsu and ask
about a contact at RallyArt
?
Later,
Roger
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:31:44 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Brakes - My History ... (Admin message)
Dave,
This stuff
MUST be sent privately to the people who this concerns to. It is not
allowed
to send
such stuff to the whole list due to our policy.
Thanks for
your (and everyones) help !
Regards,
Roger for the
Admins
> Frank,
>
> I don't want to start a
sniping contest, but unless the policy you
> state below is a new one
you've introduced recently, I'll have to simply say
> that I disagree with
you. I was not charged after the items were shipped.
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:57:15 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RE: Business ethincs!?!? (Admin message)
Hey Guys,
We have
a good thread here but please don't destroy it by drifting away
into
chatting. You can use ICQ for this ! If you want to say something
personally ...
write the guy personally. His address is included in the
message header.
Thanks for your help !
Regards,
Roger for the
Admins
> >You know, I was going to post something useful, but
figured it was a waste
> >of time.
>
> Hey! I want to hear
what you have to say. Send it to me.
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:01:02 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Stillen/Brembo replacements rotor?
Here's the info on the Stillen
setup :
http://stillen.com/Stillen%20Folder/Stillen%20Docs/mit_dodgebrembo.html
>
I believe the dimensions are 309mm x 32mm.
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:44:02 -0700
From: lehir@genesiscom.ch (Genesiscon
Lehir)
Subject: Team3S: FWIW.Stillen Open House
Just
FYI...
Stillen has an Open House sale this Week-End.
You can still
contact them, and ask them about prices.
Your best bet would be to
contact Adam Hume, ext 136...and be SURE
to tell him that you're on an
Internet Car Club (if everything else fails,
tell him that you're on the
Twinturbo.net }:-]
And yup, they HAVE parts for the
3S....
Henri
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:46:27 -0700
From: lehir@genesiscom.ch (Genesiscon
Lehir)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking-1999
So, NONE of you
guys ever tried to have the STOCK rotors cryo'ed, to see if
they would warp
or not......
as a $50 option, I'd try this one first (if it were
available handily in
Switzerland)
Henri
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:48:04 -0700
From: lehir@genesiscom.ch (Genesiscon
Lehir)
Subject: Team3S: Apexi Multichecker
Hi,
Any of you ever
installed an Apexi Multichecker in a 3S ??
Turns out that I have a
Techtom MDM-100 AND an Apexi in my Z (redundant
test), and I
was wondering
if it was worth the trouble to install ii in the
RT/TT
Best
Henri
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:06:49 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Brake List
Check out more information (thanks Ken !) and some
links for the brakes I've
just put on the page :
> http://homepage.swissonline.ch/3000gt/3s_brakes.html
Please
let me know your input on that (prices, sizes, etc.) and I'll put it
on.
Regards,
Roger
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:10:01 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Apexi Multichecker
> Any of you ever installed an Apexi
Multichecker in a 3S ??
>
> Turns out that I have a Techtom MDM-100
AND an Apexi in my Z (redundant
> test), and I was wondering if it was
worth the trouble to install ii in
> the RT/TT
Unfortunately, the
Techtom nor the Apexi stuff does not work with our ECU :(
Maybe there is a
new one available but I was told that they will not to make it
available for
our cars.
Let us know if you have a good source of information
:)
Salue,
Roger
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:05:58 -0400
From: "Bill Miller" <millebi@kw.igs.net>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Wheels and other brainstorm schtuff, was: Basic brake
upgrade
Just to throw in my $.02 worth... The only problem I see with
recirculating the fluid
would be that it would melt the reservoir since it
is only plastic. The fluid would have
to be cooled very well before it
arrived at the reservoir.
There is potential in the forced air cooling in
my opinion. How about using the radiator
fans and some ducts to redirect the
air over to the brakes. The fans are already
installed and there may be
enough room for a duct. All that would be required is puting
an override
switch on the fan so that it runs all the time.
Bill
On 22 Apr 99,
at 11:06, Merritt wrote:
> What about using the bleeder valve? It's
already there. If you put a line
> there leading to a solenoid valve and a
pump, you could set it up so that
> a remote switch would open the valve
and pump brake fluid back to the
> reservoir. This would allow fresh fluid
to enter the solenoid, and send
> the hot fluid back to reservoir to cool
off. The driver could activate the
> switch on a straight, where the
brakes would not be needed.
>
> Rich/old poop/somebody stop
me!
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:43:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Fiberglass hoods
Hi guys,
Don't post much but most know me from
Oct8N'98 ...
anyhow, I was checking US Body Source site
<http://www.techhoods.com> and was
wondering if anyone
has contacted them about making a custom hood
better
than the GT-alley hoods. They are located in Fl and
guys like
Bob Fontana and Xann or others might know of
them???? I also need to
know how good are they since
I am kinda interested in getting a custom hood
for my
Jeep in the near future. Thanx all.
===
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:54:46 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking-1999
At 12:46 PM 4/22/99 -0700, you
wrote:
>So, NONE of you guys ever tried to have the STOCK rotors cryo'ed,
to see if
>they would warp or not......
>
I spoke with someone at
Performance Friction today, and he agrees.
He said he doesn't trust
slotted or drilled rotors, and the only treatment
he's heard of that actually
works is having them cryogenically treated. He
says stock rotors will work
fine, if you can just keep them from heating up
too much.
BTW, I'm
getting my money back from PowerSlot (well, my dealer, Foreign
Auto Tech,
anyway), and will be buying new stock rotors.
Rich/old poop/Somebody
STOP me!
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:12:02 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Wheels and other brainstorm schtuff, was: Basic brake
upgrade
At 08:05 PM 4/22/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Just to throw in my
$.02 worth... The only problem I see with
recirculating the fluid
>would be that it would melt the reservoir since it is only plastic.
The
fluid would have
>to be cooled very well before it arrived at the
reservoir.
That's certainly possible. Especially if the fluid is being
recirculated on
a regular basis, so it doesn't have a chance to get too hot.
>
>There is potential in the forced air cooling in my opinion. How
about
using the radiator
>fans and some ducts to redirect the air over
to the brakes. The fans are
already
>installed and there may be enough
room for a duct. All that would be
required is puting
>an override
switch on the fan so that it runs all the time.
I dunno about this one.
Seems like it might be easier to go buy some small
2 in. fans and put one on
each hose to a rotor.
Rich/old poop/Somebody stop me!
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:52:39 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Montana.
Hi Andrew;
I understand there is no speed limit,
but tickets are issued for reckless,dangerous or
driving at risk. So be sure
you have no one around when you decide to nail
it.
Best
Darc
Andrew Brilliant wrote:
> ahh yes.
well this weekend's feature is a trip to Montana. Which will
> be
getting a speed limit soon, but it doesn't now and thats the only
> thing
that counts. I will be in a city called Bozeman. Anyone know
a
> good road to really nail it. Hopefully about 30 miles of
>
straightaway??? My VR-4 is the one that ran the 13.0 at the salt
flats.
> a few weekends back.
>
> --
> Andrew M.
Brilliant
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Date:
Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:18:33 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Montana.
>I understand there is no speed limit, but tickets are issued
for
reckless,dangerous or
>driving at risk. So be sure you have no one
around when you decide to nail
it.
>> ahh yes. well this
weekend's feature is a trip to Montana. Which will
>> be getting
a speed limit soon, but it doesn't now and thats the only
>> thing that
counts. I will be in a city called Bozeman. Anyone know
a
>> good road to really nail it. Hopefully about 30 miles
of
>> straightaway>> --
The highway patrol can
ticket you if you exceed what they consider
"reasonable and prudent " ----
basically if you go 85 or so you'll get a
ticket. That's why they changed the
law --- to
vague.
Jim Berry
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:16:26 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Intake Plenum
Hey everyone, I am considering making several upper
intake plenums for the
3000 VR4.
It will look similar to the IMP
manifold, and I am sure performance gains
will be similar (IMP claims 30hp
FWIW)
Things I hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks, weight
savings,
and the ability to change the spark plugs w/out removing the
plenum.
The piece will be polished aluminum, use all the stock brackets
and hardware
with the exception of the EGR.
If I can sell 10 of these
manifolds, I am sure I can produce them for around
500.00-550.00 each shipped
to your door. (US shipping Only) This will
include new gaskets, new
stainless cap screws and lock washers, everything
you would need to
install.
How many vacuum ports would be needed? Stock has two small
ones and two
large ones if I am not mistaken.
I was thinking of the
two large ones, and in addition have 4 small ports.
Does this sound like
plenty?
An EGR block off plate would be needed to do the install. I
may or may not
add this piece in the kit.
Let me know privately if you
are interested. I do not have pictures yet,
but will have them in the
next couple of weeks. Just as soon as I am
finished with the
prototype.
> Brad
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>
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:05:42 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Intake Plenum
Great !
Let's keep this here on the list as
some points my be discussed with the input
from others.
> Things I
hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks, weight savings,
> and
the ability to change the spark plugs w/out removing the plenum.
The last
one sounds very, very interesting as I just don't know how this should
work.
The only way is to move it more forward but then the runner become
shorter.
This may reduce torque but also increase response and power in the top
end.
IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end torque.
> The piece will be polished
aluminum, use all the stock brackets and hardware
> with the exception of
the EGR.
Does this mean that you remove the EGR path in the manifold ? If
so, why not
only add two threads for the EGR pipe that can simply be
connected and therefore
will be blocked off due to this. WOuld this work
?
> If I can sell 10 of these manifolds, I am sure I can produce them
for around
> 500.00-550.00 each shipped to your door. (US shipping
Only)
Argh, I just can imagine how much shipping cost would be for Europe
:(
> How many vacuum ports would be needed? Stock has two small
ones and two
> large ones if I am not mistaken.
This is what I
would need :
- - Boost controller (s)
- - Boost meter (s)
- - VPC
pressure reading (s)
- - Fuel pressure (s)
- - BOV (s)
- - VPC (l)
-
- two stock ones for this and that (l)
Also it would be nice to have to
positions where a spray jet can be mounted. The
position should be designed
that both jets together cover the whole runner area
evenly (yes, direct
water/alcohol injection.
Maybe also a design that allows somebody to
drill two or three holes to add
additional injectors (I personally don't like
this) and a nitrous wet/dry
system.
Mikael had the idea of turning the
TB to the other side and I already thought of
a design with two TBs on each
side. The last one could be more easily to be
designed as the shape could be
mirrored. The idea behind this is to provide as
short as possible IC piping
with as less bends as possible. To be honest, to
make the thing absolutely
perfect the engine must be turned ... and this is no
option to me
:(
Any more ideas ??
For the price, I think $500 (w/o shipping)
should be the maximum. Of course this
depends on how much additional work
you'll have with the more ideas that come :)
BTW, for me also a plenum with
prepared spots for additional threads to drill
myself would be ok
too.
Thanks in advance,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:32:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: BDLSOO7@webtv.net (chris hill)
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum
great!
i've been waiting for someone to do
something like this. but i think
that most people would rather vote to have
extra hp, and increased power
rather than the ease of changing the plugs
without plenium removal, it
only takes me about an hour to change my plugs,
so the more power ,the
better. you've got a great idea,it's a means by which
the 3si owner can
own a unique piece of equipment that's more versatile, and
is taylor
made for our cars additional needs, (modifaction wise). i think
rogers
on the right track with his suggestions, so good
luck.
may the force be
with
you!
chris
hill
91 vr4
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:38:59 -0400
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Intake Plenum
Short runners would be fine with me. I think all of
the 1/4 mile racers
would agree. Show us the goods Brad.... I
would be interested in one.
Matt
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Friday, April 23, 1999 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake
Plenum
>Great !
>
>Let's keep this here on the list as
some points my be discussed with the
input
>from
others.
>
>> Things I hope to accomplish with the manifold.. Nice
looks, weight
savings,
>> and the ability to change the spark plugs
w/out removing the plenum.
>
>The last one sounds very, very
interesting as I just don't know how this
should
>work. The only way is
to move it more forward but then the runner become
>shorter. This may
reduce torque but also increase response and power in the
top
>end.
IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end torque.
>
>> The piece will be
polished aluminum, use all the stock brackets and
hardware
>> with
the exception of the EGR.
>
>Does this mean that you remove the EGR
path in the manifold ? If so, why
not
>only add two threads for the EGR
pipe that can simply be connected and
therefore
>will be blocked off
due to this. WOuld this work ?
>
>> If I can sell 10 of these
manifolds, I am sure I can produce them for
around
>> 500.00-550.00
each shipped to your door. (US shipping Only)
>
>Argh, I just can
imagine how much shipping cost would be for Europe :(
>
>> How
many vacuum ports would be needed? Stock has two small ones and
two
>> large ones if I am not mistaken.
>
>This is what I
would need :
>
>- Boost controller (s)
>- Boost meter
(s)
>- VPC pressure reading (s)
>- Fuel pressure (s)
>- BOV
(s)
>- VPC (l)
>- two stock ones for this and that
(l)
>
>Also it would be nice to have to positions where a spray jet
can be
mounted. The
>position should be designed that both jets
together cover the whole runner
area
>evenly (yes, direct water/alcohol
injection.
>
>Maybe also a design that allows somebody to drill two
or three holes to add
>additional injectors (I personally don't like this)
and a nitrous wet/dry
>system.
>
>Mikael had the idea of
turning the TB to the other side and I already
thought of
>a design
with two TBs on each side. The last one could be more easily to
be
>designed as the shape could be mirrored. The idea behind this is to
provide
as
>short as possible IC piping with as less bends as possible.
To be honest,
to
>make the thing absolutely perfect the engine must be
turned ... and this is
no
>option to me :(
>
>Any more
ideas ??
>
>For the price, I think $500 (w/o shipping) should be the
maximum. Of course
this
>depends on how much additional work you'll
have with the more ideas that
come :)
>BTW, for me also a plenum with
prepared spots for additional threads to
drill
>myself would be ok
too.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Roger
>93'3000GT
TT
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:50:05 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S:
Injectors
Hi,
Does anyone know if the 550cc Nipondenso Injectors
for the 88-91 Mazda RX7 will fit a VR4??
Or if anyone have a set of used
RC560 to sell, please email me PRIVATELY!
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:02:11 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Intake Plenum
To get an idea how it could look like if the TB was
turned 180 deg you can look at a picture on my site. http://www.3000gt.nu Go to "Misc Pics" and look
at the last picture on that side.
It show a really extreme car/engine
but the idea isn't bad. It will shorten the intercooler pipes allot especially
with a front mount single intercooler.
I don't have any information about
who have built this car but it's clear that it's right hand drive so I guess
it's a japanese project. I wonder what engine management system they use, it's a
94+ car and they don't have the MAS so they must have done something
interesting.
/Mikael
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
>Mikael
had the idea of turning the TB to the other side and I already thought of a
design with two TBs on each side.
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:23:01 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum
Roger,
You are correct on the runner
length. I am hoping to only reduce the
length about 1" or
so. I am not sure how well this will work, however I am
going to
try.
I will include a small velocity stack on the inlet of the
runners.
(protruding into the tank about 1/4") The runner diameter will
be 1 3/4"
(44mm) I am hoping the velocity stack and smoother
tubes will keep the
torque range similar to the stock manifold.
I will be
port matching the upper piece to the gasket., maybe leave it a
little smaller
than the gasket and let the end used finish it to the
individual
car.
My plenum will also taper, thus keeping the velocity up. Any
ideas/thoughts
on this would be appreciated. Inlet will be 2.75",
and downsize to 2
(tube) Throttle body is about 2.5"
8 ports may be hard
to do. I had forgotten about the BOV though. I will do
what I
can.
To keep the price down, I need a better source for the tubing.
I am paying
way too much for tubing. I hope to sell about 10 units and
get a decent
break on the price of tubing. I have not checked the possibility
of this yet
though.
Ceramic coating may be an option also. Cost should
not exceed about 150.00
for the manifold.
As for the EGR. My reason to
remove it is to get the heat away from the
manifold. I was planning on
using the actual valve area for the additional
vacuum ports (to keep them out
of site and clean looking)
Spray mounts may be difficult. Make me a
drawing so I can see what you
mean.
> Brad
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>
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Let's keep this here on the list as some points my
be discussed with the
input
from others.
> Things I hope to
accomplish with the manifold.. Nice looks, weight
savings,
> and the
ability to change the spark plugs w/out removing the plenum.
The last one
sounds very, very interesting as I just don't know how this
should
work.
The only way is to move it more forward but then the runner become
shorter.
This may reduce torque but also increase response and power in
the
top
end. IMHO, I'd vote for more low-end torque.
> The piece
will be polished aluminum, use all the stock brackets and
hardware
>
with the exception of the EGR.
Does this mean that you remove the EGR
path in the manifold ? If so, why not
only add two threads for the EGR pipe
that can simply be connected and
therefore
will be blocked off due to
this. WOuld this work ?
> If I can sell 10 of these manifolds, I am
sure I can produce them for
around
> 500.00-550.00 each shipped to your
door. (US shipping Only)
Argh, I just can imagine how much shipping cost
would be for Europe :(
> How many vacuum ports would be needed?
Stock has two small ones and two
> large ones if I am not
mistaken.
This is what I would need :
- - Boost controller
(s)
- - Boost meter (s)
- - VPC pressure reading (s)
- - Fuel pressure
(s)
- - BOV (s)
- - VPC (l)
- - two stock ones for this and that
(l)
Also it would be nice to have to positions where a spray jet can be
mounted.
The
position should be designed that both jets together cover the
whole runner
area
evenly (yes, direct water/alcohol injection.
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:23:03 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum
I am going to be the first to shoot this idea
down.
Reasons:
Hood clearance. Our plenum almost touches
anyhow.
Unless you had two throttle bodies, you would not reduce the intake
tubing.
TO move the throttle body to the left, you would have to move the
y-pipe to
the right. This would require extreme modifications that I am
sure none of
us want to do.
Now if I were to do something radical I
might do something like the 300z TT.
Dual throttle bodies where the opposite
bank turbo feeds the inlet. (keeping
the engine intake balanced) Hood
clearance is an issue here also.
> Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]
On Behalf Of Mikael Åkesson
Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 9:02 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Intake Plenum
To get an idea how it could look like if the TB
was turned 180 deg you can
look at a picture on my site. http://www.3000gt.nu Go to "Misc Pics"
and
look at the last picture on that side.
It show a really extreme
car/engine but the idea isn't bad. It will shorten
the intercooler pipes
allot especially with a front mount single
intercooler.
I don't have
any information about who have built this car but it's clear
that it's right
hand drive so I guess it's a japanese project. I wonder what
engine
management system they use, it's a 94+ car and they don't have the
MAS so
they must have done something interesting.
/Mikael
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
>Mikael
had the idea of turning the TB to the other side and I already
thought of a
design with two TBs on each side.
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Date:
Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:37:50 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intake
Plenum
> The last one sounds very, very interesting as I just don't
know
> how this should
> work. The only way is to move it more
forward but then the runner become
> shorter. This may reduce torque but
also increase response and
> power in the top
> end. IMHO, I'd vote
for more low-end torque.
I was thinking about this one a bit, and
wondered why mitsu didn't put the
DOHC NA plenum on the turbo? It's basically
the only thing going for us
that's slightly better then turbo. Variable
intake runner length. the little
"throttle plates" are closed below 3k rpm,
forcing the air to take a longer
route, but then open above 3k. low end
torque plus higher end power. there
must be some reason they didn't do this
with turbos.. any ideas? too
complicated, or maybe it was an air restriction
in pressurized intake
systems? The air would try and go both ways, cancelling
out the effects?
Omar
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